The Mac Sure is Starting To Look Like the iPhone 91
An anonymous reader shares a report: The general trend of macOS releases over the past few years is that it has been moving closer and closer to the look and feel of iOS. The icons have become iOS icons, and their shape has become the iOS shape, and you can now use your iPhone as the Mac's webcam, etc. etc. This occasionally comes at the expense of other functionality (ask me how I feel about the new Settings menu), but it is the direction that Apple has clearly been heading in since (arguably) Big Sur. Every so often, other splashy features are announced (Stage Manager, Universal Control, Quick Notes) that I write a lot about and then never end up using ever again. So, good news for Continuity fans: that's basically what's going on with Sonoma. Ventura looked a heck of a lot like iOS, and Sonoma looks even more like iOS. I turned my office's Mac Studio on after installing the developer beta and thought, for a second, that I might be hallucinating my iPhone's lockscreen. It's remarkably reminiscent.
But in case that wasn't enough of an iPhone vibe for you, the other big update that comes with this public beta is that you can now put widgets on your desktop. Widgets! They intelligently tint based on the color of your desktop, and they're available for various Apple apps, including Safari, Contacts, and Podcasts. Now, this is neat. It also strikes me as one of those iOS carryovers that doesn't make a whole lot of sense on a computer. Personally, I find the benefit of widgets on iPhone largely to be that you glance at them while you're grocery shopping or waiting for the bus or whatever and don't have time to open the actual app. The use case for having them on a computer desktop is not as clear to me -- I don't have the occasion to quickly glance at my computer's blank desktop while doing something else nearly as commonly. I suspect that the primary impact of having widgets on the desktop is that it makes your Mac look a lot more like your iPhone. I have hope that third-party developers might figure out fun and exciting use cases for desktop widgets by the time Sonoma is fully released (but honestly, you never really know with that).
But in case that wasn't enough of an iPhone vibe for you, the other big update that comes with this public beta is that you can now put widgets on your desktop. Widgets! They intelligently tint based on the color of your desktop, and they're available for various Apple apps, including Safari, Contacts, and Podcasts. Now, this is neat. It also strikes me as one of those iOS carryovers that doesn't make a whole lot of sense on a computer. Personally, I find the benefit of widgets on iPhone largely to be that you glance at them while you're grocery shopping or waiting for the bus or whatever and don't have time to open the actual app. The use case for having them on a computer desktop is not as clear to me -- I don't have the occasion to quickly glance at my computer's blank desktop while doing something else nearly as commonly. I suspect that the primary impact of having widgets on the desktop is that it makes your Mac look a lot more like your iPhone. I have hope that third-party developers might figure out fun and exciting use cases for desktop widgets by the time Sonoma is fully released (but honestly, you never really know with that).
This may bring Linux to the Desktop (Score:3, Insightful)
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Perhaps it's because I have no real history with MacOS, but when I picked up my M1 Pro, after a bit of a learning curve, I've fallen in love with it. All in all the GUI just feels more intuitive, and less clunky than Windows has become. I admit I probably don't use a lot of the features, even my somewhat aged hardware compared to the new offerings, is rock solid. It's by far the best laptop I've ever owned, and I'm looking at an upgrade within a few months, and will probably turn my Macbook into my travel l
Re:This may bring Linux to the Desktop (Score:5, Interesting)
Your comments just sound like hater bait.
Re:This may bring Linux to the Desktop (Score:5, Interesting)
I wouldn't go as far as calling it a shitstorm, but I totally agree that it's gotten worse and I think the answer is pretty obvious-- Apple stopped updating macOS for their customer's needs and now updates it based on their business desires. For example in no particular order:
And the drive to make the OS look more like iOS? Again I think the answer is obvious... The Mac App Store has never really taken off (go right now and take a look at the top paid apps to get a sense of how ghetto it is) because macOS developers don't want or need it. So Apple keeps pushing iOS apps on the desktop as the "solution", but iOS developers are simply not updating their apps for macOS. That means the only way to make iOS apps fit into macOS without being super janky is to literally change the macOS user experience to match them. And they're pushing the transition even harder now because they want their AR Goggles to be another App Store success, which means those apps (which will almost certainly be written by iOS developers using an iOS-like SDK) need to not look janky when layered over macOS too. So it's probably only going to get worse from here on out... And as someone who grew up with Macs, it's super depressing watching it happen.
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you can no longer delete Apple apps you don't like or use (like News or Apple TV) in the name of "system integrity"
Reminds me of Microsoft's argument in regard to Internet Explorer. Didn't work so well for Microsoft.
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Hmm, you haven't opened up System Preferences? It's a fixed-width window that looks just like iOS Settings. Not necessarily a recent change, but compared to the way System Preferences used to be it's very tablet-like. But macOS isn't the only OS going that way. KDE 5's control center is just like that too.
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ARM (Score:2)
Hopefully, Linux will be ready for Macs' ARM. I know Intel is ready.
Asahi Linux runs on Apple Silicon (Score:2)
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Yes, but how ready is it? Can it be used as a production work machine yet?
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Yeah, I will wait. It has a long way to go. Sticking with Mac Intel for now. :)
Re: This may bring Linux to the Desktop (Score:2)
For every new generation the UI is more and more turning into hieroglyphs making it harder and harder to use.
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I recently purchased an M2Pro Mini, which forced me to jump from El Capitan on an older iMac directly into the sh**storm that is Ventura. The iOS-ification of macOS is not a myth, everyone can see it in action. I am already starting to revisit Linux and Linux hardware and will make the jump if this gets much worse. I was very pleased back in 2004 when I jumped from using two computers (Windows for office apps and Linux for real work) to being able to do it all on one machine. The early OS X systems were by no way perfect, but they were a lot better than what we're seeing coming out of the Great Spaceship of Appletown. The new hardware is great, but the new OS is not.
Using Ventura right now - and really, it's so NOT difficult to disable features - you can pare it right down to bare bones like El Capitan in minutes - I know you can, because that's exactly what I've done.
I'd be hard placed to actually really spot the difference in terms of usability.
Dock is there - check. Menu bar is there - check. That all works the same - check. All my apps are where I usually place them in the dock - check. They all launch in exactly the same way - check. I can disable notifications an
and when it goes app store only pros will be gone (Score:4, Insightful)
and when it goes app store only pros will be gone.
No way that adobe will give apple 30% of Creative Cloud fees and they may have to block cross platform stuff or be very limited on in app marketing of CC.
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yeah that's exactly the sort of thing I was thinking. They're on a multi-year plan to get us in a walled gardens little by little, whittling us down so they can get 30% of every app sale.
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They'll just make the non-App Store experience increasingly shitty and frustrating, with warnings and pop-ups and intentional slow-downs, while building their own competing products. Or maybe they'll buy Adobe.
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I predicted MacOS would go app-Store only years ago. It's taken longer than I expected, but it sure does seem to be getting closer and closer to that.
https://slashdot.org/comments.... [slashdot.org]
only years ago? (Score:2)
11 years ago isn't insight, it's a failure. Hasn't happened.
"but it sure does seem to be getting closer and closer to that."
How many more millennia before they arrive?
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11 years ago isn't insight, it's a failure. Hasn't happened.
"but it sure does seem to be getting closer and closer to that."
How many more millennia before they arrive?
Exactly.
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and when it goes app store only pros will be gone.
People have been predicting that since the release of the Mac App Store, and it's not only not happened but Apple keeps telling us it's never going to happen.
In ten years people will still be claiming app-store only is coming to the Mac, and the reality will remain just as it is today that the date is never.
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and when it goes app store only pros will be gone.
No way that adobe will give apple 30% of Creative Cloud fees and they may have to block cross platform stuff or be very limited on in app marketing of CC.
You idiots have been predicting this nearly as long as you have been predicting the demise of Apple.
Give it a rest, willya?
And this sucks. (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple, who realized early on that a phone is not a small computer, has completely forgotten that a computer is not a big phone.
Choking on my own vomit daily using current macOS.
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Spoiler: None of the Mac users are jealous of your XFCE desktop. Sorry, bud.
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Or, they gave up that garbage in the late 90s. Don't have time to dink around with configuring window managers... more important fish to fry.
Window Maker still around? Was always my 2nd favorite, to CDE itself.
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Watching all Mac users from my XFCE desktop with popcorn in hand ...
So, you think Mac users are _just_ Mac users and have never tried XFCE? - you live in a very small world.
XFCE is my choice when I work on Linux, macOS when I want to get shit done quickly and efficiently.
There's this idiotic school of thought that the world consists of binary choice patterns.
That those who use macOS _only_ use that and haven't got a clue about anything else.
News flash, macOS may be my primary OS, but right in front of me, I've got my Intel Nuc debian box with XFCE that I monitor/keyboard sw
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Amen.
With each passing release of macOS, I like it less and less. The new System Preferences replacement, in particular, is absolutely awful compared with what preceded it. I don't understand how anyone could consider that an improvement.
The iOS Settings app has always been absolute trash from a UI/UX perspective since iPhone OS 1.0, and I guess somebody thought that the best way to fix it was to make the Mac version just as bad so that people would stop drawing unflattering comparisons.
Bluntly put, it i
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What changed in macOS Settings is that the big window of little icons has been replaced with a search box for typing in the setting you're looking for. I find this faster than the old way, but "ZOMG - Something changed! World ends!"
Meanwhile in iOS Settings, the old menu dive interface is still there, but if you want to save time by using the search box instead, that works too.
Re:And this sucks. (Score:5, Informative)
I don't think people are complaining about the search functionality. System Preferences has had a search bar since the original OS X and a lot of preferences have always been directly accessible from the Spotlight search bar (command-space). People are complaining that it now looks and behaves just like the Settings app on iPads.
They replaced a straightforward, clean, elegant visual design where all of your setting groups were immediately visible as an easily recognizable icon and a name with a narrow list where you have to recognize each item solely by its name (slower recall). And instead of all of the settings panes being visible (typically), you now have to scroll through a list (slower discovery), with nonsensical, seemingly arbitrary groupings of items (slower scanning).
For example, why are Appearance and Accessibility in one group, and wallpaper and screen saver in a different group? Why is Battery located with visual settings, rather than with hardware (e.g. the network group up at the top)? Why is Privacy and Security not in the same group as Touch ID & Passwords, and Lock Screen? Why are Passwords and Internet accounts not with Touch ID & Passwords? Finding settings is markedly worse than in the old design, where at least Passwords, Internet Accounts, Users & Groups, and Security & Privacy were all in the same group. Doing anything takes way longer, and you end up pretty much 100% reliant on search to do anything, just like on the iPhone. That's a very clear sign that your user interface design is objectively bad.
It isn't going too far, IMO, to say that importing this particular iOS design into macOS is the single worst UX regression in the entire history of Apple. This is actually worse than putting the Apple logo as a non-clickable item in the middle of the menu bar in Mac OS X Public Beta. This actually makes me long for the Touch Bar. This makes me want to go back to managing the contents of an iPhone using iTunes. You get the point.
If they're going to stick with this text-only design (and they really shouldn't, because for people with mediocre eyesight, the new design is an absolute accessibility disaster by comparison), could they at least organize the list into some sensible sections and give each section a title, like a proper Mac app? For example:
That one change by itself would make this at least somewhat tolerable. It would still be a clear regression in usability, but at least it wouldn't make me want to throw my laptop every time I have to change settings.
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"They replaced a straightforward, clean, elegant visual design where all of your setting groups were immediately visible..."
Yeah, straight outa Windows 3.1. Don't forget, along with that "straightforward, clean, elegant visual design" came windows that resized on every selection. The old System Settings was the worst POS imaginable.
But the new one is hardly worth getting excited about. At least it doesn't have the horrendous usability of the old one.
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I hated it at first, but now I'm ok with it. One major advantage is indeed that it's pretty much identical to the settings on my iPhone and iPad, which makes finding things not harder, but actually easier.
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I hated it at first, but now I'm ok with it. One major advantage is indeed that it's pretty much identical to the settings on my iPhone and iPad, which makes finding things not harder, but actually easier.
I can never find things on my iPhone, either. The organization makes no sense, so you pretty much have to memorize where everything is, and I just don't have the mental energy to do that for a part of the system that I don't use constantly. The result is a high cognitive load that is almost as bad as when I try to configure advanced networking settings on Windows. (Blech.)
Apple should know better. I know they can do better.
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They'd better get used to it because the whole reason iMacs, Macbooks and Studios moved to Arm processors was so that Apple could unify macOS, iOS, tvOS and watchOS.
No, the whole reason Apple switched to ARM was because Intel was starting to suck so bad it was unpalatable. I see no signs of Apple unifying the OSes either, considering they've just announced yet another fragmentation with visionOS.
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"...considering they've just announced yet another fragmentation with visionOS."
Apple doesn't need to unify naming in order to eliminate differentiation.
Re: And this sucks. (Score:3)
What's wrong is not that "OMG, something changed!"
Simply put, spatial organization and icon recognition have great usability value. Things you don't get from a rando list of switches.
Apple took everybody's toolbox, dumped it out on the garage floor, kicked it around a little for good measure, and didn't put anything away. It's a craptasic, disorganized mess now.
It's not like we were USING that daily, for Pete's sake.
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I thought it was just me one System Settings. I find that interface to be MS inspired, it is that bad. And the flat icons crap, I don't know if that was imported from MS, but it sure feels like it. At least they haven't axed the columns view in the Finder, but I expect that too will be on the chopping block.
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Apple, who realized early on that a phone is not a small computer, has completely forgotten that a computer is not a big phone.
Choking on my own vomit daily using current macOS.
You must be living in an alternative universe to me. In my universe, it's a highly polished OS that keeps out of your way.
For keyboard warriors, the amount of shortcuts it offers is incredible. *nix is right there at your fingertips in the terminal.
There's an incredible amount of high quality software available for the platform - including FOSS.
Sure, there's some "marmite" to be had here - either you hate some aspects or you love them - but anyone saying it's not an OS to be highly productive with is a mupp
Re: And this sucks. (Score:2)
I've used Mac OS since the '80s, my own Macs since the '90s, worked for a first-tier Apple partner early in that time. Been to MacWorld SF and Boston, Seybold, industry parties, worked with publication editors, all regularly back in the day. Worked for Kodak on Apple color management for a time.
It's be incorrect to think I'm not knowledgeable about Apple, or 'some random Apple hater'.
I know macOS (nee Mac OS) because I've been here all the while, watched all the emulation and chipset and platform changes -
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I've used Mac OS since the '80s, my own Macs since the '90s, worked for a first-tier Apple partner early in that time. Been to MacWorld SF and Boston, Seybold, industry parties, worked with publication editors, all regularly back in the day. Worked for Kodak on Apple color management for a time.
It's be incorrect to think I'm not knowledgeable about Apple, or 'some random Apple hater'.
I know macOS (nee Mac OS) because I've been here all the while, watched all the emulation and chipset and platform changes - remember when there was a 3rd-party emulated "softFPU" available? I've watched the Jonny Ive tyranny of form over function, the removal of ports bulging my Mac bag with dumb adaptors.
I've watched the HIG get thrown out the window, and watched Apple move far from real UX discipline, proclaiming their ugly dogfooding approach since iOS: "our designers are really our users". Maybe that's why iOS stinks to high heaven. It's why, while a long-time Mac user, I _never_ want an iPhone.
And, of course, Apple is using its 800lb gorilla power to make that life as difficult as it can, not as easy. It doesn't "just work" if you want to be on Android. Where's my choice and agency gone on Mac OS, Apple? Oh, sorry, those were concepts from the HIG.
So with that in mind I come to the total borking of macOS system preferences. I've seen how good it can be, and watched the decay of that goodness with every release since maybe Mavericks.
If I wasn't so well acquainted with macOS, if I didn't use it daily, hourly, I'd perhaps have less reason for anger over this mess.
I move readily between various Linux distros, ChromeOS, Windows, GUI and shell. And up 'til now my Mac has been my main choice and home. But if I could get just a couple more of my top apps on Linux, or get suitable equivalents (there's a real opportunity for a creative suite of the quality of Serif's Affinity on Linux), I'd be gone like a shot.
Gone without a wave goodbye. I don't want to leave. It's Apple pushing me away.
So you say you have all this Mac experience; yet all you have posted is a litany of things that have pissed you off personally since 1984.
I agree that the HIG needs to be studied much more closely, and brought back with some updates, where appropriate. However, I think you will have to agree that Mac OS and macOS have actually changed very little from a typical User's standpoint; far, far less than Windows, and Linux can't even decide on a single decent display system in what, 20-plus years?!? Yeah, that's
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I've been a MacOS user since 1.0 (and NeXTSTEP before that) and this capability has been front of mind forever. Nothing wrong here...this is great!
The developer experience on MacOS continues to be superior to both Linux and Windows for many use cases.
I really don't see the issue here. If Apple wants a unified experience, while still prioritizing the developer and power user experience on the Mac and the consumer experience on the iOS devices, that makes a lot of sense.
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Remember when Jobs disbanded the HIG Group that did eye tracking, timing, etc. and the ATG that did new product development?
Both are obvious.
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What do you think is better about the development experience on macos? Xcode can't even navigate to the place a symbol was created. And the whole clock once to open a file on the current tab click twice to open it on a new tab is bizarre. Apple thinks when they break convention it makes things better but it really doesn't and they clearly don't understand how people use user interfaces.
Bullshit.
Just Right Click (Control-Click) on a Symbol to open the Symbol Navigator. The Definition location is in the Find Section, with References in the Navigate Section. See:
https://developer.apple.com/do... [apple.com]
I'd much rather be able to choose whether a particular file opens in a new tab by a click/doubleclick, than having to decide in some kitchen-sink, clusterific Preference File, like Visual Studio Code does.
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Ok there is a jump to definition.. but what is the hotkey for it? When I am programming I tend to have my hands on the keyboard and not the mouse.
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But there are two levels of tabs. Why would you want different groups of open file tabs? And the top tab shows a filename even though there are many tabs inside of it.
Ok there is a jump to definition.. but what is the hotkey for it? When I am programming I tend to have my hands on the keyboard and not the mouse.
You just can't resist moving the goalposts, can you?
As for the multiple levels of tabs, this may explain things:
https://developer.apple.com/fo... [apple.com]
And here is how to control them:
https://michalcichon.github.io... [github.io]
Now, as to the Find Symbol Keyboard Shortcut:
If you insist on the emacs approach to UX, there are ample keyboard shortcuts already defined in XCode, and you can always create your own. Here's the Apple list:
https://developer.apple.com/li... [apple.com]
According to this (much shorter) guide, you merely have to pre
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I just can't imagine anyone would want to work this way.
What way?
Seems like XCode is within the envelope of IDEs I have encountered. IMHO, They all have good things and frustrating things.
The double tabs are kinda odd; but they are easily hidden; so. . .?
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Oh you can get rid of them? How do I just do one set of tabs? Can't say I have ever been annoyed by Android Studio as much.
This Article (below) shows how you change XCode's Default Tab/Window-Spawning behavior; you can have it behave just like the "Pre-Document-Tab" Days, or some more nuanced in-between behavior. Your choice! (rollseyes).
BTW, This article was linked from the one I originally sent you:
https://www.jessesquires.com/b... [jessesquires.com]
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>I've been a MacOS user since 1.0 (and NeXTSTEP before that)
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1.0 was in 1984, on the original 128k Mac.
Are you counting "MacOS" from 10.0, OSX?
hawk, who still has his system disks from 1984, as well as the Mac
is MacOS preventing (Score:2)
Make baubles shiny to attract... (Score:3)
Especially when it's the boss' money they're wasting.
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"Especially when it's the boss' money they're wasting." if it is the boss's money, it would get wasted on Microsoft's alleged software.
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Maybe they only do it to me to piss me off.
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... people who like shiny baubles.
Especially when it's the boss' money they're wasting.
I like shiny baubles, I also like powerful computers with exceptionally capable operating systems - I can have both, right?
I can have more than one computer too and those other computers could be running Linux - oh look, they are! right in front of me!
I struggle to understand the mentality of dismissing something based on a complete lack of understanding. Just because you think it's funny or cool to hate on something.
In my world, in my mind, I try _everything_ and _anything_ - because, I have what's known
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I tried Iphones and Macs.
They have shit over-simplified operating systems.
They attract simple people.
Like you.
That's the natural evolution of things. (Score:2)
When the end goal is the same everyone competing in that space tends to naturally evolve to the same result. That is until something changes the environment in which they all evolve, then things will diverge again as solutions emerge and then converge again as the best solutions are exposed.
I remember watching the TV show "Robot Wars" where early in the competition there were some wild robot designs competing. As time went on the competitors found that the best tactic to win was to tip over the other robo
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an entire essay reinventing evolutionary convergence...
>An iPhone and a laptop are largely competing for the same space ...struck entirely irrelevant from a wrong premise made late
mobile UIs are a compromise, not a goal
notice that I distinguished them with the phrase "mobile UIs" because they are different
when things are different they are not the same
they are not the same
if I need to slow down further let me now
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"The desktop UI for System Preferences was in the Y chromosome and is now tragically lost forever..."
Just like that very same interface was evolutionarily rendered extinct decades ago in every context except the abysmal System Preferences of the Mac.
You want it to evolve back again? Bring back the 80286, VGA screens and first generation mice, then you'll see it.
How was the old System Preferences "perfectly evolved for big screens" when it was developed for small screens?
Noticed that with system preferences on Ventura (Score:2)
I just set up a Ventura mac mini for my parents and noticed how System Preferences is now basically the exact same as the iOS settings app now. So instead of laying out everything in nice, categorized, easy-to-find and see icons, it's now a list down the side. The organization of the list is fine, but it is different than the old System Preferences organization, so a bit harder for me to find things. For example, I can't seem to find Sharing without resorting to search. The window is also fixed width. Ag
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I should add that my experiences with Ventura have been less than satisfying. I've read people complaining about how poorly Linux does multiple monitors, and complaints about Windows. But when I plugged in a nice ultra-wide 2k monitor to the mac mini, I was given essentially two options for resolution: Native with tiny fonts, or HiDPI with everything double size. That was it. Neither option was acceptable. I was not given the option of the four different UI/Font sizes that you might get with your laptop sc
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"But when I plugged in a nice ultra-wide 2k monitor to the mac mini, I was given essentially two options for resolution:"
At least your monitor works when you plug it in.
When I power on my Mac dual monitor setup, the DP monitor is found first, then the HDMI port is PERMANENTLY disabled. The second monitor is never found and can never be found. The only workaround is to unplug the DP monitor or power it off until after boot. Been this way for years. HDMI should be the primary monitor.
Apple hasn't had an A
Everything Old is New Again (Score:4, Informative)
Actually, wait a minute, widgets have been around since the mid 80's as "desk accessories". In fact, the Stickies app in current MacOS is basically unchanged since the 90's in both aesthetic and function, aside from adding a few more formatting options since the Mac OS 9 days.
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But yeah, starting with Leopard I would always accidentally bump whichever 'F' key that would bring up the dashboard and it would drive me up a tree
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The term "widget" has existed for a century. But sure, Apple invented it.
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Nevermind. Great info! A century you say? Super interesting! Thanks!
Well DUH! (Score:2)
Its been obvious for quite a while. However, people must realize the iPhone is not a phone, but a computer that you can also make phone calls on. Macs are just bigger versions.
A computer on which you can call 911 (Score:2)
However, people must realize the iPhone is not a phone, but a computer that you can also make phone calls on.
And the ostensible reason for the lockdown is that being able to place an emergency (9-1-1) call is still a matter of life and death. This means a computer with a dialer still needs to be as reliable as the fixed-function phones that preceded it.
Convergence (Score:4, Insightful)
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For example, the Apple TV could just be macOS running in a kiosk mode, with access to all the desktop Mac apps and iPad apps
They literally had this, you could buy a Mac Mini that came with a remove, running what became the AppleTV software and being a computer too. But they do not want it running on a relatively open stack, they want it all running on a walled garden, make you buy multiple devices, and upgrade them on Apple's schedule. I want a general purpose computer that I control.
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Next they'll get rid of the top menu (Score:2)
...and windows. Everything will be full screen all the time.
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Mac OS used to have widgets (Score:2)
So Win98 Live Desktop is back? (Score:1)
10.13.6 lookin' OK (Score:1)