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New EU Law Could Force Apple To Allow Other App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability (macrumors.com) 209

New EU rules came into force today that could compel Apple to let users access third-party app stores and permit app sideloading on iPhones and iPads, among other sweeping changes designed to make the digital sector fairer and more competitive. MacRumors reports: Under the Digital Markets Act (DMA), the rules will apply to tech giants that meet its "gatekeeper" criteria and force them to open up their various services and platforms to other companies and developers. Apple is almost certain to be classified as a "gatekeeper" due to the size of its annual turnover in the EU, its ownership and operation of platforms with a large number of active users, and its "entrenched and durable position" due to how long it has met these criteria, and will therefore be subject to the rules set out in the DMA.

The DMA could force Apple to make major changes to the way the App Store, Messages, FaceTime, and Siri work in Europe. For example, it could be forced to allow users to install third-party app stores and sideload apps, give developers the ability to closely interoperate with Apple's own services and promote their offers outside the App Store and use third-party payment systems, and access data gathered by Apple. One of the more recent additions to the DMA is the requirement to make messaging, voice-calling, and video-calling services interoperable. The interoperability rules theoretically mean that Meta apps like WhatsApp or Messenger could request to interoperate with Apple's iMessage framework, and Apple would be forced to comply within the EU.

The DMA was proposed by the European Commission in December 2020 and agreed by the European Parliament and the Council in record-time, in March 2022. It now moves into a six-month implementation phase and will start to apply on May 2, 2023. After that, within two months and at the latest by July 3, 2023, potential gatekeepers will have to inform the Commission of their core platform services if they meet the thresholds established by the DMA. Once the Commission has received the complete information, it will have 45 working days to make an assessment as to whether the company in question meets the thresholds and to designate them as gatekeepers. Following their designation, gatekeepers will have six months to comply with the requirements in the DMA, at the latest by March 6, 2024.

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New EU Law Could Force Apple To Allow Other App Stores, Sideloading, and iMessage Interoperability

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  • Government Nose (Score:2, Insightful)

    by zenlessyank ( 748553 )

    Needs punching. I hate Apple as much as the next guy, but having the government making company decisions because of 'whatever' is clearly a sign of over reach. If folks wanna belong to a tech cult so be it, but if things don't work correctly with other tech, then that is just the price you pay.

    • I think it's more about the government helping lobbyists and cronies at the expense of a private company; helping end users is just the excuse.
      • I think it's more about the government helping lobbyists and cronies at the expense of a private company; helping end users is just the excuse.

        So who are the lobbyists and cronies influencing this decision in the EU? What do they have to gain? And if they get it, but users also get the right to load what they want on their own computers, will it be worth it?

      • go buy a tin foil hat, you are obviously in need of one or two
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Completely wrong. This is anti-trust and it is an exceptionally important government responsibility to keep Kapitalism working.

  • by malchus842 ( 741252 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:22PM (#63017297)

    What happened to consumer choice? There is a phone OS that provides all of this things — Android. Who wants this? Competitors, hackers, advertisers, and developers who don't want to pay for access to the platform Apple has created. I don't hear demands for this from the average Apple user, and when people ask me what device they should buy, I explain the differences between open and a walled garden, and explain why I chose the walled garden.

    The problem with allowing sideloading is that if it can be done legitimately, it can be done illegitimately. If sandboxing can be ignored, and not enforced by the OS, then nothing prevents a malicious app/add/message from compromising your device. Making sideloading possible decreases security. Having to allow apps that don't follow the sandboxing rules put the entire phone at risk.

    If Android didn't exist, there might be an argument. It does, so those who don't like Apple can use it. That's choice.

    • by MeNeXT ( 200840 )

      What happened to consumer choice?

      What choice? It's not as if you can own any phone equipment. Even on Android when you load your version the bootloader limits your actions and security. There is no choice.

      It's not as if you can pickup a phone and control all the settings.

      • Of course you can. Custom roms exist, and so does completely free and open hardware.

        It's just inconvenient and most people are cattle so they don't bother.

        • "Custom roms exist"

          Ah yes the infamous Apple iPhone custom roms.

          Can the slashdot libertarians at least *try* to not come up with imaginary reasons why giving consumers the choice to sideload is somehow anti consumer choice.

          • I'm not a libertarian you numnut. Your mentioning 'iphone custom roms' shows you didn't even read the fucking comment you are replying to.

            The comment I replied to said even Android doesn't give you a choice, and I pointed out there are Android solutions that do.

      • It's not as if you can pickup a phone and control all the settings.

        Depends on the phone, there are quite a few were you even can exchange the boot loader.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by metrix007 ( 200091 )

      Kind of funny how all the people defending their walled garden are likely the aged versions of the same people condemning Microsoft 20 years ago for doing something similar but to a far lesser extent.

    • What happened to consumer choice?

      Apple shit on it by locking down a general purpose computer to only permit it to install software from one source.

      I don't hear demands for this from the average Apple user

      And only majorities matter!

      This is what passes for logic in candy-coated, I'm-special-because-I-own-an-iDevice-just-like-everyone-else Apple land.

      The problem with allowing sideloading is that if it can be done legitimately, it can be done illegitimately.

      Really? Can you show an instance where the sideloading functionality on Android was utilized without the user's consent?

    • You should be in control of your device so if you want to sideload, its at your own risk. You should also be able to choose how you pay for things.

      I find it strange that everyone bleats about "being free" and having the freedom to do what they like yet defend being locked into a phone
  • by Kernel Kurtz ( 182424 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:27PM (#63017309)
    It is always going to be a juggling act. I'm glad the tires on my car are not specific to just my car. That the power in my house is the same voltage as my neighbor. That goods I buy are all labelled in at least one consistent scale.

    How much does it matter for phones? Time will tell. For now I'm glad that even if they use different messaging systems at least they do have to transmit on standard frequencies. Given the opportunity you know they would not.
    • It is always going to be a juggling act. I'm glad the tires on my car are not specific to just my car. That the power in my house is the same voltage as my neighbor. That goods I buy are all labelled in at least one consistent scale.

      I for one am glad that those things are decided at the whim of a democratically elected government rather than one oversized private corporation who dictate with incredibly strict terms how other corporations run.

      How much does it matter for phones?

      I think many people here look forward to the day when not all browsers on iOS are Safari with makeup on.

  • Good. Apple and other tech giants have behaved in an uncompetitive manner
    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      Indeed they have. And, unlike the US, capitalism is not broken in the EU and anti-trust bodies are fulfilling their responsibilities.

      The ones claiming this is in some way "bad" must the the most abysmally stupid morons available.

  • by metrix007 ( 200091 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:13PM (#63017543)

    The best form of capitalism is one that is well regulated, to allow mostly free markets without explicitly leeching and abusing consumers.

    That aside, if I buy a device, any device that can run software, it should NEVER be up to the owner what software I run on my device. End of fucking story. I know Apple has its apologists, but they can be dismissed as they are in a reality distortion field and are not even aware of it, poor things.

    Apple will cry and make a big deal about this, claiming it's for security but we know that is bullshit. Hell, make people jump through hoops to enable sideloading or other app stores, but at least OFFER it as an option.

    • It depends on what you think a smartphone is. People who view them as appliances/tools will say that your argument is invalid, since you also can't run whatever software you want on your game console, your media player set-top box, your TV, your smart washer and dryer, your smart fridge, etc.

      People who view smartphones as portable computers will have a completely different view point.

      • It's less a case of your ability to run software, and more a case of what your software provider wants to offer you on a platform and what is dictated to them.

        E.g. Firefox on Android = Firefox
        Firefox on iOS = Safari with makeup on, as dictated by Apple.

        Users may want to run Firefox, but they are not getting Firefox. They are getting a lie forced on them by a closed ecosystem. And while I think infinitely more highly of Apple then I do of Epic, I do support the idea that Epic should get to choose how to bill

        • Users may want to run Firefox, but they are not getting Firefox.
          They get Firefox. Only that FF is linked to the Apple JS engine and the Apple rendering engine isntead of "what ever".

          They are getting a lie forced on them by a closed ecosystem.
          It is no lie. Everyone knows that FF on iOS is linked ot Apple libs. And no one cares. What we care is Look&Feel. Does it look like FF? Does it work like FF? Does it feel like FF?

          If so: it is good.

      • It depends on what you think a smartphone is. People who view them as appliances/tools will say that your argument is invalid, since you also can't run whatever software you want on your game console, your media player set-top box, your TV, your smart washer and dryer, your smart fridge, etc.

        People who view smartphones as portable computers will have a completely different view point.

        So either give an option of a one time process to "unlock" the device, after which it's forever considered a mobile "computer" which can run anything (maybe disables some security features in return) or sell a version of the phone which is set to be a "computer" and not an appliance.

        Let the user decide.

    • ... it should NEVER be up to the owner what software I run on my device.

      So you admit that Apple is the 'owner' of your iPhone? Or... is that merely a stream of thought mistake in wording? Or did I completely miss what you were trying to say?

    • by gweihir ( 88907 )

      And that is exactly it. Also, this is not about forcing people to use other app-stores. It is about _allowing_ them to do it. And it was overdue.

  • by Bookwyrm ( 3535 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:42PM (#63017619)

    > Following their designation, gatekeepers will have six months to comply with the requirements in the DMA, at the latest by March 6, 2024.

    Six months? Really? To engage in major software changes to some government whims? From start to finish with some sort of certified compliance and without accidentally violating some other regulations/accounting/business contracts in the process?

    • Six months? Really? To engage in major software changes

      These are not major software changes. All they have to do is shut off a single misfeature, which I promise you they already have a way to do for internal use.

      to some government whims?

      To you, things done by government to keep the economy functioning and protect the interests of citizens and customers alike are whims. Apple is sitting on unprecedented cash (yes, actual cash) reserves, which is literally harmful to the world economy.

  • Force them to prove on an ongoing basis that they only allow safe applications from known vendors etc etc. to maintain the privilege of operating in the apple platform.
  • This law would be fun when applied to Tesla vehicles.

    Just imagine, when can we sideload navigation apps, battery control apps, air cond control apps, etc into a Tesla?

    Apply just as well to any other brand that comes with a large screen and/or entertainment system.

  • Will this new law target other manufactures of devices that are locked-down or is Apple being singled out here?

    If you are going to argue that Apple having control over what you run on your iPhone or iPad is bad, then you can't argue that the same isn't true when Sony controls what you can run on your PlayStation or when Nintendo controls what you can run on your Switch?

    • Will this new law target other manufactures of devices that are locked-down or is Apple being singled out here?

      Found the guy too lazy to read the summary.

      What causes you to imagine willful ignorance is a useful place to post from?

      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        What causes you to imagine willful ignorance is a useful place to post from?

        Probably all the other morons doing it here. Seems too many people have been told they are "special" and "smart" and that actually finding out things before talking about them is optional.

  • by LostMyBeaver ( 1226054 ) on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @12:32AM (#63017869)
    Side loading, ok. (been there since the start anyway)
    iMessage interop, ok.. Yes please

    Third party app stores... NOOO!!!

    Not unless there is a requirement that all apps published in third party stores MUST also be present in Apple's and therefore pass Apple's requirements.

    I refuse to install other app stores. On PC, I trust Microsoft and Steam. Epic should be banned as a virus.

    On iPhone, a device that if compromised would allow total identity theft and destruction of my life, I would prefer more app store restrictions, not less. Do you really want a company like Steam or Epic to produce an app with enough system privileges to install apps on the device which acts as you drivers license, bank id, national ID card? Do I want a game company to have access to choose which APIs are accessible to third party apps?

    I already don't trust Apple to make those choices. The phone is too dangerous now. I don't want my kids installing app stores like that.

    If they allow this, then there must be a requirement that holds shops legally and financially responsible with no limit for illegal activities against the owner of the phone from apps they allowed to be installed. These third party stores should be liable and accountable for poor due diligence.

    If my identity were to be stolen today due to a compromised app, I would sue Apple. That's what that 30% is. It's an insurance fee I pay to Apple that specifically makes them accountable for the wares in their store.

    All stores should be required by law to meet those standards.
    • Re:Noooooo!! (Score:5, Insightful)

      by N1AK ( 864906 ) on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @05:09AM (#63018173) Homepage
      Or you could just not install the third party app stores...
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Or you could just not install the third party app stores...

        Consumer choice? WTH? Cannot have that! Consumers must be enslaved and only allowed to do _exactly_ the things the vendor wants!

    • Do you really want a company like Steam or Epic to produce an app with enough system privileges to install apps on the device which acts as you drivers license, bank id, national ID card?

      Are you really stupid enough to commit all of those vitally important documents to the same device?

      Have you never heard of single point of failure? Your phone battery dies, the device gets stolen or run over by a truck and what do you do then? Maybe phone your bank/DVA/Govt department to send out replacement cards? Oh, wait...

      And what do you do when this happens when you're on holiday, 8,000 miles from home in a country where nobody speaks your language? I bet you're one of those people who doesn't do backu

    • by Khyber ( 864651 )

      "Not unless there is a requirement that all apps published in third party stores MUST also be present in Apple's and therefore pass Apple's requirements."

      Given Apple's highly-anticompetitive "You may not make an app which recreates a function or feature of one of our apps" I say no, fuck off with your requirements bullshit.

      • "You may not make an app which recreates a function or feature of one of our apps"
        There is no such rule ...

        Do you have a mental problem?

    • If my identity were to be stolen today due to a compromised app, I would sue Apple.

      And you would lose. Apple has indemnified themselves and you agreed to their terms. They get the profits without taking any responsibility.

    • by 3247 ( 161794 )

      If my identity were to be stolen today due to a compromised app, I would sue Apple. That's what that 30% is. It's an insurance fee I pay to Apple that specifically makes them accountable for the wares in their store.

      Good luck with that. Ha ha ha.

    • You disagree with yourself. You are for side-loading of apps which inherently would bypass Apple's requirements but then support an idea that Apple gets to dictate what software you run on your phone.

      You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either support openness or the Apple dictatorship. Time to choose.

      Epic should be banned as a virus.

      Is Samuel L Jackson holding a gun to your head shouting "Install Epic games store motherfucker"

      On iPhone, a device that if compromised would allow total identity theft and destruction of my life

      I agree, you should take ownership and responsibility of your security and not hide behind some mamma corp

    • I have a little Fire tablet that can easily be used entirely on Amazon's services and store, or I have the option of installing whatever I want on it, up to and including the Google Play Store. These changes would just bring that same situation and choice to Apple.
      • by gweihir ( 88907 )

        Indeed. As it comes, the Fire is locked to the Amazon app store. But you _can_ install the Google Play Store and just have to agree to some warnings to do it. It is not a single klick but it is not difficult either and Amazon does not fight this. And that is the legal way to do a walled garden: Allow people out after having made it clear to them they are going out. The EU is merely stopping the illegal crap Apple is doing.

        I have a cheap used Kindle Fire to use for some Android apps I do not want on my phone

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Third party app stores... NOOO!!!

      Not unless there is a requirement that all apps published in third party stores MUST also be present in Apple's and therefore pass Apple's requirements.

      That's the current situation. There are lots of "app stores" but they are just search engines. When you click install they take you to the Apple App Store app.

      Side loading, ok. (been there since the start anyway)

      Only on Android. You can't side-load on iOS, at least without jailbreaking first.

      Android seems to cope just fine with other app stores, notably F-Droid and Amazon. Google's Play Services still scans apps from other sources for malware.

  • Let's start with Jobs' baby.

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