Brazil Orders Apple To Suspend iPhone Sales Without Charger (reuters.com) 169
Brazil's government on Tuesday ordered Apple to stop selling iPhones without a battery charger in the country, claiming that the company provides an incomplete product to consumers. From a report: The Justice Ministry fined Apple 12.275 million reais ($2.38 million) and ordered the cancellation of the sale of the iPhone 12 and newer models, in addition to suspending the sale of any iPhone model that does not come with a power charger. In the order, published in the country's official gazette, the ministry argued that the iPhone was lacking a essential component in a "deliberate discriminatory practice against consumers." The authorities rejected Apple's argument that the practice had the purpose of reducing carbon emissions saying that there is no evidence of environmental protection from selling the smartphone without a charger.
So I guess that in Brazil you can only buy bundles (Score:2, Insightful)
that have the phone and charger that are then the same price as those bought separately before..
Re:So I guess that in Brazil you can only buy bund (Score:5, Interesting)
That doesn't make much of a difference here in Brazil. iPhones are luxury items here, only purchased by people with a LOT of spare money available. For a rough affordability comparison, the cheapest iPhone 13 Mini here costs 862 hours of work at the Brazilian Federal minimum wage rate of R$5.51 BRL/hr. If it were priced similarly in the US, at the Federal US minimum wage rate of $7.25 USD/hr, it'd cost $6250 USD. Anyone paying $6250 on a phone doesn't really mind paying $7000k for one with a bundled charger, for if they did they wouldn't be purchasing an iPhone, of all things, to begin with.
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Edit: $7k, not $7000k.
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Republicans are jealous of your minimum wage.
Indeed, particularly the Libertarian wing. In fact, Libertarians down here keep proposing eliminating the minimum wage altogether, saying that if someone is willing to work for R$0.05 BRL ($0.01 USD) per hour, "it isn't the government's job to interfere". It's no wonder Libertarianism, taken to its ultimate logical consequences, approves of "voluntary" slavery. And it isn't like this is an implicit, never explicitly acknowledged, consequence, no! Several Libertarians have explicitly said so, as in this exam [the-libertarian.co.uk]
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They should just offer free cables. (Score:3, Insightful)
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They still come with cables. They just don't come with the thing that plugs into the wall.
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I have to buy the cables anyway because I'm either losing them or they break.
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not to mention the wireless charger pads and cradles people prefer for their phones these days.
I will say that I have come to LOVE the wireless charging. Not so much for convenience, but because there is no mechanical interface to eventually wear out. Since all you're doing is sitting your phone on top of a pad and then picking it up they tend to last a lot longer (actually, so far I've never had a wireless charger stop working).
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I buy them a box at a time so that's maybe 10/15 cables/yr. It's just I also use them on my motorcycle quite a bit and I've already had two wireless M/C charger setups fail and they're a bit more expensive than an inexpensive charging cable.
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All Apple phones already come with a cable, even in Brazil.
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I don't really understand how your "free cables" suggestion is particularly relevant to the post; unless I missed something, it seems that the issue herein has nothing to do with cables, as those are indeed still bundled with all iPhones. Rather, the issue is that newer iPhones do not come with the 5V USB charging brick to plug that cable into. Cables (and bricks) breaking or otherwise ceasing to function over time is an entirely separate issue... and to my knowledge, such wear and tear is not covered by an
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It's about the chargers, not the cable, which you still get.
But yeah I agree, this is what pisses me off about the situation. They took out the charger that was free to you, and now make you pay $40 if you want to actually charge the phone. Just offer it as a free accessory at purchase time, assholes.
This is certainly better for the environment so I'm fine with the EU rule that probably prompted this but Apple is certainly more than happy to milk their customers.
Brazil is not USA (Score:5, Insightful)
People in Brazil do not buy an iphone every year, so they don't have a box full of chargers.
The 'carbon emissions' argument is hilarious. They ship the iPhone in a Luxurious box, but they won't ship you a charger that you have to buy separately, consuming more transportation and more packaging. Yeah sure.
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This is a good point, the packaging a lot of electronics come in nowadays is out of control.
Just wasteful fodder for the youtube unboxer crowd and making sure people get that initial hit of dopamine when they open it so they don't feel like they just wasted their money.
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We had the in-laws coming into town this last weekend, so I was cleaning up around the house and found a cardboard box on a shelf. Figuring it was for a small, paperback book or the like, I opened it up to confirm there wasn't anything inside, only to discover that it was actually the shipping box for my most recent iPhone, with the iPhone box itself still inside the cardboard. It honestly caught me by surprise because I had forgotten they were now that small.
iPhone boxes are ridiculously tiny these days, w
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I just checked AliExpress, and saw that I can ship a teddy bear (a relatively bulky item) from China to my country for just 51 cents (the bear itself costs $3). That includes all stages of shipping, so the fraction of the shipping container taken up must be worth significantly less than 51 cents. An iPhone is much smaller than this teddy bear, so the gains to using a smaller iPhone box are probably in the single cents. Negligible compared to a $1000 device. I think the smaller packaging is actually about ae
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On the one hand, I think you make a good point that this isn't a significant portion of their overall costs. That said, I'll also point out that the teddy bear is likely coming in via the "slow boat" at those prices, as opposed to the freight airlines that Apple tends to use for their iPhones, particularly the ones they sell during their launch window.
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Not sure what is happening in South America, which along with north is a third of Apple sales. Over the summer Colombia banned sales of iPhones on patent reasons. These are not the richest countries in South America so it is not that significant.
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People in Brazil do not buy an iphone every year, so they don't have a box full of chargers.
That would be a relevant point if the iPhone was the only device in the world. It's not. But even if it were it's completely beside the point. Consumer choice is a *good thing*. Maybe the person buying a phone would prefer to have the 35W dual charger instead and not want to waste $20 on something they have no intention of ever using.
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Except you used to get a charger for free. Yeah it was "included" in the total price but at most it was a few bucks in the BOM and Apple used to eat it.
Now your choice is to buy it from them for $40: https://www.apple.com/br/shop/... [apple.com]
No problem (Score:2)
They'll go for a bit more expensive and the old cable will land in the ocean around some porpoise's neck.
Increase Price (Score:2)
Just increase prices in Brazil by $50 and give them a cheap ass charger with the phone.
Don't even bother packaging it. Just ship them in 5 gallon buckets to retailers and give someone one out of the bucket with the phone. Make them bright pink, just to piss people off.
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Are you ok? Are you Apple shares doing poorly or something?
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It would certainly explain a few decisions if they do.
Make them "on demand". (Score:3)
Keep a crate of them on hand for anybody who has an iPhone to request. Put a credit for it on every purchasers account, ready to claim.
That should satisfy the decision makers in Brazil... unless they just want to be unreasonable.
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Why a credit? Give people a discount. That way the consumer can make a meaningful choice of what charger they want to buy, or even what company they want to buy it from.
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If you keep them on hand to provide at the point of purchase, your objection should be satisfied. You don't have to jump through a hoop.
If your objection is that it isn't physically in the same box as the phone, well... that's an artificial barrier, and it's nitpicking for which the solution is to create more e-waste than is necessary.
Not all chargers are created equally (Score:2)
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I still have my first iPhone charger, and it charges my iPhone 11 just fine. It takes half a day to get 50% in, but it works :)
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Wow, you're getting a bit breathless over a problem that, in reality, is instantly known what the remedy is:
1. find random charger with USB-A port on it;
2. plug it into the wall, and plug device into it;
3. is device charging? Yes: continue using charger. No: toss charger and try next one
USB 5VDC charging is a standard, and any device that implements the standard (going back to 2007) has ways of knowing if they can draw more current, or request a higher voltage. No charger, unless it's designed to blow up
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Who keeps around a bunch of flakey chargers that you don't trust?
This is entirely a problem of your own creation. You either already have a charger that you know works and you just continue using that, or you go buy a charger that is recommended by literally anyone you talk to and don't get one that is going to explode.
Extra irony for calling me clueless when you're going on about problems that are literal edge-case or self-created problems, and then throw in a bunch of warranty FUD about Apple, while miss
Oh, jeebus... (Score:2)
Just open up that drawer, that every household has, full of charging cables and bricks and pull out a new pair. The only time in several years I've actually used the charger that came with a new Apple product was when I got my new MBP with MagSafe. And even then, I don't use the Apple-provided brick, but just plugged the MagSafe charger into one of the multiple-outlet USB-A/C chargers scattered across the wall outlets.
And when I get my new phone and watch this fall? Those cables are just going to get chu
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How often do you buy electronics? You sound like one of those wasteful, overconsuming Americans we read so much about.
I've only ever bought 5 cell phones in my life.
I recall I owned 6 cell phones in my life, which means I'd have a drawer with 5 chargers in it if I did not give 2 to my mom.
The phone chargers I've had last well beyond the life of the phone. I've worn phones out, had them break, and in at least one case the phone service provider told me that I needed a new phone or they'd stop giving me service. I remember one case of that because the company gave me a phone and a $50 credit to get me to switch, they wanted me off the old service that bad but I wasn't
Dumb, buy your own charger IF you need it (Score:2)
Maybe you already have charger.
Why shouldn't headphones be mandated or a case or cell service or apps or breakage/loss insurance? What's so special about a charger?
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Just offer a âoeBrazilianâ price that includes the charger as tge default.
Make the phone and/or charger separate SKU items for âoerepairsâ.
No need for Apple jump over their own â"â" just for Brazil.
I want a new charger with my new phone (Score:2)
Electronics don't last forever and spares are always great. But this is a consumer issue, not something government should be wading into.
Stupid people make stupid laws (Score:2)
This is a prime example. I did get my last phone (not Apple) without a charger as well, and I would not have wanted one.
Optional item? (Score:2)
If Apple charged an extra $5 for the charger, as an option, I wonder how many people would still ask for it? For someone who doesn't buy technology every day, they may not have a charger that provides the extra 5W the new device needs.
I am all for reducing stuff we don't need, but when a business increases the price of a device and then removes something from the box, then it feels like you are paying to have something removed.
At the same time, Brazil is showing that it is running contrary to most other cou
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but when a business increases the price of a device and then removes something from the box, then it feels like you are paying to have something removed.
but that’s not what happened.
Apple did not take the iPhone 10, remove something from the box, and sell the iPhone 10 for more money. They built a new phone, with many new features (e.g. faster chips, more RAM, new screen tech, etc.) and did not include an accessory (albeit one that is critical to operation) in the new box with the new product.
One can assume all one likes about the manufacturing costs and whether or not they are equivalent etc., but stating that they raised the price for the same prod
Easy solution! (Score:2)
From Apple's point of view, this is exceedingly easy to accommodate. More interestingly, it doesn't actually hurt them in any meaningful way; it just means that the price of every iPhone in Brazil just went up by the price of one high margin government mandated charging brick. They don't even have to change the packaging; they can just toss the boxed brick into the shopping bag, right alongside the boxed iPhone... and when some consumers protest, "I didn't ask for that!" they will promptly be told that it's
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All USB charges I've ever owned can charge an iPhone, or an iPad (if powerful enough). Stop spreading lies.
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He said "most of the early ones aren't powerful enough" and your response was "all of them can if powerful enough".
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All USB charges I've ever owned can charge an iPhone, or an iPad (if powerful enough). Stop spreading lies.
The iphones for sale now come with USB-C to Lightning cables, so you'd literally not be able to plug it into an old power brick.
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We do, but unless we're existing Apple customers who have bought Apple devices recently, we (probably) don't have compatible chargers.
My iPhone 3S charger happily charges my iPhone 11. I've no reason to believe it won't charge an iPhone 14 (when it becomes available).
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It's standard USB fast charging using a shitty Apple proprietary connector on a cable that is still in the box. If you don't have a USB-A port that can deliver 5VDC@1A by now, then you haven't bought literally any small consumer devices in a very long time, from literally anybody. Good news though, they're available at basically every single retail establishment in countries that have widely deployed electricity.
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New iPhone cables have a usb-c connector I believe, and a lot of things now don't come with chargers (e.g. bike lights).
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We do, but unless we're existing Apple customers who have bought Apple devices recently, we (probably) don't have compatible chargers.
What do you mean by "compatible chargers" as every iPhone I have seen can be charged using a generic USB charger. The main differences will be the power output of the charger and the quality of it. A cheap 5W/1.0A charger will fill up any iPhone but slowly. Also a cheap charger may be dangerous to your USB device as it may deliver spiky loads to your device. If you are buying a device worth hundreds of dollars and you need another charger, pay extra for a decent one.
While there's been a move to chargers with USB plugs rather than built-in cables recently (so theoretically allowing an iDevice to charge as long as it has a compatible cable)
What do you mean by "a move to chargers w
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While there's been a move to chargers with USB plugs rather than built-in cables recently (so theoretically allowing an iDevice to charge as long as it has a compatible cable) I know pretty much all the chargers that fit that description in my possession are too low power to actually charge a modern smartphone.
Pretty much any USB charger from the last two decades can charge a modern iPhone. The chargers they stopped including in the box? 5W chargers. If you want MagSafe or faster charging speeds that's a separate purchase and always has been, but Apple's standard USB charger remained more or less unchanged from a consumer perspective since it was first introduced in 2007.
Re:Drowning in chargers. (Score:5, Informative)
Oh, and it's worth mentioning that the proprietary Lightning cable is still included in the box. If that wasn't included, there'd be a solid argument against Apple, but with its inclusion, you just need any ol' USB charger from the last few decades, regardless of brand.
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The included cable is USB-C to Lightning. So you can't use it with old chargers.
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I know pretty much all the chargers that fit that description in my possession are too low power to actually charge a modern smartphone.
Every modern smartphone happily charges from the minimum power all USB outlets are required to provide and have done so for nearly 2 decades. You're complaining about missing the added luxury of fast charging.
It is way too early to not bundle a charger.
It definitely isn't. Your post is built on the preposition that now chargers comes with sockets rather than attached cables. That's dishonest. It would be better to say that chargers have done that for well over a decade and the average person has this shit coming out of their ears.
In addition why does
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Do we have the right one that has the correct voltage negotiation and that won't pre-maturely age the battery or damage the phone or is it just an upsell?? [stackexchange.com]
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Re:Drowning in chargers. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nobody needs another charger, we all have drawers full of the basteds.
I have drawers full of chargers that don't go to anything. Iphone chargers on the other hand are in short supply in my house. I usually end up buying 2-3 off brand ones for every one I get free with a new phone. They wear out, stop working, get lost, etc....
If you have a drawer full of iphone chargers, put them on facebook marketplace or craigslist. A half dozen used iphone cords could easily fetch $20-$40 especially if they are apple brand.
The problem is not phone chargers but non-standard chargers for all the random throw away crap people buy.
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Ideally you should be able to choose if you want or not a charger.
If you can make a store that sells computers with different INTERNAL configurations, making one where you have a checkbox with the charger should be a breeze.
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Nobody needs another charger, we all have drawers full of the basteds.
But none of them will be compatible with the courageous new iPhone.
Re: Drowning in chargers. (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah. iPhones always come with the USB-Lightning cable. Apple no longer includes the thing that plugs into the wall – because everybody has at least a zillion of these.
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Some people also charge their phones by connecting them to a computer port. Or a USB port that's built-in the wall socket. For example, Leviton makes both USB-A and USB-C ports wall plates. Forcing companies to supply a charger with all phones sold is indeed an environmental problem.
The proper way to do this would be to force Apple to ask customers if they need a charger or not, and supply one for a fee* if needed.
* if the law would force Apple to supply the chargers for "free" then Apple will simply increa
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I'm always happy to get more of them. There's enough doodads around the house (cameras, smart speakers, Raspberry Pi's, etc) that need one that I never mind a few spares. Plus with two teenagers in the house who visit friends, grandparents, etc for the weekend they have a habit of walking off.
Heck for the ones that I actually use I buy power strips with USB ports because I know they're too bulky for them to grab and take with them :).
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I'm always happy to get more of them. There's enough doodads around the house (cameras, smart speakers, Raspberry Pi's, etc) that need one that I never mind a few spares.
Will any of those work with an Apple charger?
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Will any of those work with an Apple charger?
Why wouldn't it?
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Many newer phones won't really charge or will charge really slowly with the old 5W chargers.
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Pretty much all of them do. We're talking about the charger not the cable.
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Will any of them work with a Raspberry Pi? (No.)
Despite using a USB-C connector, the RPi4 needs a 5.1V source and the typical 5.0V chargers cause endless issues.
???
I use an Apple power supply for my Pi 4 all the time, along with various third-party chargers, none of which are 5.1V. And I power them off my laptop (also 5V) while doing development. I've never had any problems.
Maybe yours is one of the defective early revisions [arstechnica.com] that incorrectly uses a single resistor instead of two resistors for requesting a higher supply current? That could cause it to fail when used with fully PD-compliant power supplies and cables. They fixed that in about February of 2020 [theregister.com].
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I'm always happy to get more of them.
I'm never happy to get anything. I'm happy to buy one to suit specifications I need rather than pay for a pointless bundled piece of something I don't need.
You said it yourself there's lots of doodads around the house. This is why I have outlets with USB sockets, why I have multi-port and high power USB desk chargers, and other far more fit for purpose products than yet another bundled piece of e-waste.
Mind you it wasn't always like this. I too had days of the past where a wall socket had a power strip with
Re: Drowning in chargers. (Score:2)
rather than pay for a pointless bundled piece of something
You're still paying for it. Apple isn't dropping the price of their phones to offset the lack of a plug... which is most likely only a few cents cost to them anyhow. And if you do need one, you get to pay full retail price (between $5 and $20 on Amazon currently) to buy one separately.
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I'm always happy to get more of them. There's enough doodads around the house (cameras, smart speakers, Raspberry Pi's, etc) that need one that I never mind a few spares. Plus with two teenagers in the house who visit friends, grandparents, etc for the weekend they have a habit of walking off.
I was there once, then two things happened. First, I collected so many chargers that I ran out of doodads that needed USB power bricks but did not come with one. Second, these electronic doodads started to want more than the 5 watts that the "free" USB-A power bricks could safely supply. Now I'm not so happy to get another USB power brick with a new device. Not any USB-A power bricks at least. If something comes with a 5 watt brick and that's all it can use then that's not really a big deal, but if a p
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I was there once, then two things happened. First, I collected so many chargers that I ran out of doodads that needed USB power bricks but did not come with one. Second, these electronic doodads started to want more than the 5 watts that the "free" USB-A power bricks could safely supply. Now I'm not so happy to get another USB power brick with a new device. Not any USB-A power bricks at least. If something comes with a 5 watt brick and that's all it can use then that's not really a big deal, but if a phone can charge at 20 watts from a USB-C charger but comes with a 5 watt USB-A charger then I'm not all that pleased. I'd rather it didn't come with a charger at all.
I don't think apple would supply a low power chargers with their phones. It would not be in their interest to have expensive phones look bad by cheaping out on charger. I have plenty of low power chargers around but very few good usb-c chargers.
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More than that, we have several generations of chargers laying around at this point. There's OG spec USB of 5VDC/500mA, then "fast charging" USB of 5VDC/ 1A+, then the various proprietary QuickCharge ones using variable voltage, now USB-PD with USB-C connections.
I've started throwing out old low amperage chargers so I don't accidentally use them in favor of the higher amperage supplies now.
Unless you are including one that can do USB-PD, the OEM can keep it - it's cheap garbage that isn't as capable as oth
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Unless you are including one that can do USB-PD, the OEM can keep it - it's cheap garbage that isn't as capable as other stuff I already have laying around.
I remember reading somewhere that sometimes those cheap chargers are dangerous for your devices as they can be of such poor quality that they do not meet specifications because manufacturers usually outsource the charger to lowest bidder.
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And here's the fix: if you already are using a charger with your current phone that works, there is a very high likelihood that it will still work with your new phone and not explode by simply changing out the cable for the one that came with your new phone, which is still included. Why? Because they are both going to pull 5VDC from the charger as a base standard, and perhaps negotiate a faster charge rate depending on what is available on either side of that cable.
That was pretty hard, right?
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Don't forget the short lived USB-BC 1.1 chargers that supplied 9 or 10 watts, or something like that. The "OG spec" of 5 VDC @ 500 mA was pretty short lived and didn't really catch on, but 5 VDC @ 1 amp chargers are all over the place. At least that's my experience. When USB-BC 1.2 came with 12 watts, 5 VDC @ 2.4 amps, then most everyone went with that. That is until phones got bigger and wanted more than 12 watts. That's when all the different non-USB "standards" came out, like QuickCharge. It took y
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Well, here's an idea: We as a community could just collect the ones left over and give them to people who for whatever reason need one?
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The right wingers with scream "socialism" and bitch and moan that they didn't get a charger for free.
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It's socialism if the government is forcing people to do this. If it comes from people agreeing to do this on their own then that's the free market solving a problem.
A free market allows for people to not only sell items at a profit but also to give stuff away because it makes them feel good. If someone asked me to donate my unused USB chargers, and I felt I could trust them to give them to people that would put them to use, then I have a few chargers to donate. I might even toss in a few bucks to cover
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Not everyone has a charger but those things are not hard to get. I think that earlier models seem to outlast the newer ones as the newer ones appear to be more cheaply made. Personally for me, every new USB device I have gotten for many years came with a charger that I have not used yet. These days electrical outlets at home improvement stores have models with USB charging built in.
Cables on the other hand are a different story. I have replaced multiple cables more than I have chargers that I cannot rememb
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These days electrical outlets at home improvement stores have models with USB charging built in.
They do, but they still wear out. I've got several at home where one side or the other has stopped working.
I'm not sure if it's an inherent problem with the USB form factor or what but its annoying. I've NEVER had a regular plain jane power outlet wear out despite the fact that they cost like $3. A USB charger though seems to inevitably last at most 2-3 years.
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I'm not sure if it's an inherent problem with the USB form factor or what but its annoying. I've NEVER had a regular plain jane power outlet wear out despite the fact that they cost like $3. A USB charger though seems to inevitably last at most 2-3 years.
Cheap chargers that came with device never last for me so that I have purchased quality ones that last for many years now. In fact, I built charging stations into furniture that supply power to multiple devices at once. I think only 1 Apple charger has failed me over the course of a decade.
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The USB outlets have to cram so much of the switch mode supply into such a small area to replace a standard outlet they do seem dstined to fail over time. Plus the whole thing does get warm with AC current running through it, it's in an unventilated wall box, it's just a wrost case scenario, like putting LED bulbs in recessed pot fixtures, eventually it's just going to cook itself to death.
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... and it's not like Apple is discounting a new phone by the retail price of the charging kit or giving people a coupon for a free one.
Exactly! Well said
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The only problem I have the extra plugin would cost more than bundled but that can be handled as an option during purchase (get a charger at cost when buying the phone) - but that could be reversed with a "iPhone = x, iPhone without charger = x-$25 or whatever and the "default" is the w/charger)
I like the way you put it. It actually made me think about it in a different way that would be a good compromise. So you could order the phone online or buy in in the store with a choice between the bundled product and the non-bundled. I'd say the default should be bundled and require the customer to opt out of the charger for either a discount or credit. That's just my opinion, but thanks for the insight.
I'm sure the solution was obvious to most folks, but I am a bit slow.
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So you could order the phone online or buy in in the store with a choice between the bundled product and the non-bundled. I'd say the default should be bundled and require the customer to opt out of the charger for either a discount or credit. That's just my opinion, but thanks for the insight.
It should be opt-in or that is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen. People would complain that they paid too much and were tricked into buying an accessory they did not need. Forgetting to add something to a sale puts the responsibility on the customer and it also far easier to remedy: the customer can buy a charger from anywhere.
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The only problem I have the extra plugin would cost more than bundled but that can be handled as an option during purchase (get a charger at cost when buying the phone) - but that could be reversed with a "iPhone = x, iPhone without charger = x-$25 or whatever and the "default" is the w/charger)
I like the way you put it. It actually made me think about it in a different way that would be a good compromise. So you could order the phone online or buy in in the store with a choice between the bundled product and the non-bundled.
Or you could do it like New York camera shops, and have them take the accessories out of the package and sell them separately without boxes at a discount, so that you have to carefully read the description and confirm that it comes with the power supply. :-D
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Or you could do it like New York camera shops, and have them take the accessories out of the package and sell them separately without boxes at a discount, so that you have to carefully read the description and confirm that it comes with the power supply. :-D
Hehe, that beloved New York customer service!
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"this just looks like a cost cutting maneuver rather than an action meant to benefit the environment." Why can't it be both?
It is both.
Cost cutting to the customer (otherwise the bundle has to include the cost of the extra), cost cutting to Apple (less included) and "save the environment" (fewer wall warts since everyone is swimming in them). The only problem I have the extra plugin would cost more than bundled but that can be handled as an option during purchase (get a charger at cost when buying the phone) - but that could be reversed with a "iPhone = x, iPhone without charger = x-$25 or whatever and the "default" is the w/charger)
No matter which default action Apple chooses I'd expect someone to complain.
I remember people screaming that Apple wasn't including a keyboard with their "non-pro" computers. This was a big deal way back when the computers came in beige and had floppy drives, and again years later when they started selling computers with Intel processors. Apple added the "bring your own keyboard and mouse" slogan to their advertisements as a result. In my time doing computer technical support I'd have to deal
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Amen.
I don't give a fuck about cookies. Stop fucking asking me if they are ok!,
Re: Brazil (Score:2)
Yeah, I agree.
It's so obviously clear that the way Brazil operates, with ALL of its institutions and ALL its workers tackling the same problem together serially before working on the next one, is very ineffective and leaves the serious issues unattended.
Maybe if they only had specialized institutions and workers that could tackle different problems in different areas in parallel... solving the serious problems wouldn't grind to a halt and the country would be an utopia by now. /s