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Apple Reverses Remote Work Policy After Machine Learning Head Decamps To Alphabet (gizmodo.com) 79

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Gizmodo: One of Apple's highest-profile return-to-office detractors reportedly landed a new gig at Alphabet's DeepMind, marking the latest drama over Big Tech's remote work scuffles. That move, ironically, comes right around the same time Apple decided to walk back its most recent return-to-office push. In an internal memo viewed by Bloomberg Tuesday, the company said it will delay its three-day in-office work requirement set to take effect on May 23. The memo reportedly cited the recent uptick in covid-19 cases for the delay and didn't provide any hard date for when they'd try again. Apple workers are still required to work in the office two days per week and will now have to wear masks in common areas.

At the same time, Ian Goodfellow, Apple's former Director of Machine Learning, who dramatically left the company at least in part over its remote work restrictions, will reportedly join Alphabet's DeepMind. Sources told Bloomberg Goodfellow will join DeepMind as an "individual contributor." He had previously worked as a senior researcher at Google back in 2019. That job switch marks a major blow for Apple, a company that's struggled to appease workers at odds with its return to work strategy. Goodfellow, who's the most senior member known to have jumped ship over remote work so far, reportedly addressed the issue directly in a note to staff obtained by The Verge's Zoe Schiffer. "I believe strongly that more flexibility would have been the best policy for my team," Goodfellow reportedly wrote.
The report notes that Alphabet hasn't fully embraced a remote-first office either, "thought previous reports suggest Google more regularly approves remote requests [than Apple]."

As office returns accelerate, many workers are willing to give up their jobs over workplace flexibility. According to a survey of 1,000 U.S. adults last year, 39% said they "would consider quitting if their employers weren't flexible about remote work." That figure was 49% among millennials and Gen Z.
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Apple Reverses Remote Work Policy After Machine Learning Head Decamps To Alphabet

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  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:15PM (#62547548)
    Wherever possible. Even if you're not one of the people who gets to work from home imagine if one third to one half of the people or normally clogging up your roads weren't doing that anymore.

    On the other hand your property values are going to go down because a lot of those office buildings will get converted into apartment complexes reducing the pressure driving up house prices.

    On the other other hand you don't have to worry about getting your skull caved in by an angry and violent gen Z or millennial because they're spending 90% of their income on rent and only had enough money left over for a gun and some ammo to become a roving bandit as a side hustle.

    Decisions decisions
    • Won't happen, even if it makes sense. Why? Taxes.

      States that are funded by property tax won't want to give up the property taxes paid by commercial real estate (which in your scenario, would become cheaper residential zoned land), and by grossly inflated residential real estate (which would no longer be sustainable because people could just get a cheap apartment in that formerly commercially zoned area.)

      They're ok with doing these "experiments" on a temporary basis, but god forbid you actually try and mak

    • On the other hand your property values are going to go down because a lot of those office buildings will get converted into apartment complexes reducing the pressure driving up house prices.

      I hope that's true.

      • a lot of those office buildings will get converted into apartment complexes

        I hope that's true.

        Converting commercial property to residential use is illegal in most big American cities.

        Expensive housing isn't something that "just happens." It is deliberate government policy supported by voters who benefit from high property values.

        • For a significant amount of time and it'll get real legal real fast.
          • by Arethan ( 223197 )

            There are different building codes between residential and business use classifications -- the differences might be surmounted with retrofitting, but it won't always be cheap or easy. Also, depending on the age of the building, it can be a can of worms due to new codes that went into effect after the original construction had completed.

            • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

              There are different building codes between residential and business use classifications -- the differences might be surmounted with retrofitting, but it won't always be cheap or easy. Also, depending on the age of the building, it can be a can of worms due to new codes that went into effect after the original construction had completed.

              Yeah, but it's the land that's expensive, not the building on top of it, for the most part. Doubly so for older commercial buildings, which are routinely being bulldozed in the Bay Area and turned into housing.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          They will change their minds when their commercial properties become near worthless as WFH becomes permanent. Then they will be lobbying to be allowed to redevelop them into apartments.

        • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )

          Converting commercial property to residential use is illegal in most big American cities.

          So where did all those 'loft' apartments come from?

    • Yes, right, fuck every retail business and restaurant.

      • by swilver ( 617741 )

        Yes, fuck 'em. They can open stuff closer to where people actually want to live, not work. Toxic city centers should be avoided like the plague.

        • Everything should be suburbs and strip malls for hundreds of miles in all directions. Mandated.

        • The suburbs should be razed to the ground. They are the source of almost all of our real estate problems.

          • The suburbs should be razed to the ground. They are the source of almost all of our real estate problems.

            Hey, if YOU want to live in a densely packed urban city stacked on top of each other like rats, more power to you.

            But, not everyone wants to live their lives sharing walls with neighbors in areas that make spreading a pandemic easier amongst other issues.

            The US is perfectly large enough to accommodate whatever lifestyle you want. Don't try to force people to live where they obviously do not want to.

            T

    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      But not all jobs can be WFH like physical construction works. :P

      • True, but you miss his bigger point: fewer cars on the road. The more people who *can* wfh is a win for those who can't.
    • I absolutely agree with you. Remote work is the future. The main thing is not to forget about live communication. There are a lot of remote work vacancies right now. You can study it here https://udalenka.work/ [udalenka.work]
  • by iamacat ( 583406 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:15PM (#62547550)

    Feel free to pay me to commute, but you are losing 2 hours of solid work time daily and any medical/child commitments because half a day time off. Plus I generally microwave leftovers and eat in 20 minutes at home, can never be that efficient in office cafe. It's time to quantify in person meeting benefits and evaluate if people can just come for meetings periodically instead of commuting for independent work as well. I am not worried about finding jobs where management would rather see more of my work than more of my face.

    • I'm in total support for this, except the "pay me to commute" part. Where you live relative to where you work is on you. I once worked at a place in suburban Chicago and managed to live across the street from the plant so I could literally walk to work. Then, some years later, different job, I lived 550 miles from the office and flew in on Monday mornings, flew home on Thursday evenings. I chose to live and work in geographically distant places: that was on me. I wouldn't have considered asking my boss
      • by iamacat ( 583406 )

        If they want to pay me to live close to where they want me to work, I will be a very happy and wealthy! Obviously changing jobs is a thing, I mean just from the perspective of current employer getting good cost/productivity ratio out of me.

      • I do agree... except for jobs that can be done from home. If the job can be done from home but the company insists on making you travel in to their office anyway, then they're the ones forcing extra travel on you, and they should be the ones to pay for that.

        There might be some room for a middle ground (e.g. a job where 80% of the work can be done from home could reasonably require you to commute in at your own cost one day per week, but at their cost for extra days). Also, an employee choosing to work from

  • by stikves ( 127823 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:17PM (#62547558) Homepage

    Joking aside, this crisis has helped empower the tech workers. Maybe not thru unions or strikes, but with resignations.

    Yes, it was always a two way street. The company can lay you off at any time, or if you get a better offer, you can leave without looking back. However only "job hoppers" actually used this opportunity, and many chose to be loyal. And companies knew this ("what are you going to do? work for Microsoft?").

    Today the bluff is finally called. Thanks to tanking stock prices (i.e.: massive drop in total compensation), inflation, and proliferation of remote work, tech workers are finally moving up.

    And, no, the company cannot magically replace a senior employee. It would take at least 6 months of adjustment period, during which important project will take a hit.

    • Maybe not thru unions or strikes, but with resignations.

      Indeed. Markets work.

    • I think this is something people always wanted, they just didn't have the balls to ask or unionize about it. What other things are lingering in the "we're too shy to ask"? A contractual annual pay increase that adjusts some percentage above the inflation rate? Some other benefits not currently paid for?

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Joking aside, this crisis has helped empower the tech workers. Maybe not thru unions or strikes, but with resignations.

      Yes, it was always a two way street. The company can lay you off at any time, or if you get a better offer, you can leave without looking back. However only "job hoppers" actually used this opportunity, and many chose to be loyal. And companies knew this ("what are you going to do? work for Microsoft?").

      Today the bluff is finally called. Thanks to tanking stock prices (i.e.: massive drop in total compensation), inflation, and proliferation of remote work, tech workers are finally moving up.

      And, no, the company cannot magically replace a senior employee. It would take at least 6 months of adjustment period, during which important project will take a hit.

      To be fair, whilst the pandemic has been a boon for tech workers, we're not talking about some low level tech support flunky overthrowing the technocracy here. This guy is the head of machine learning, which is the latest buzzword. This kind of person doesn't look for jobs, jobs look for them. I've no doubt that Google paid him a shitload of money to move over.

      I also have no doubt that the companies that need serfs to lord over in the office will still try everything to get people back there.

      Also, "d

    • by rpnx ( 8338853 ) on Thursday May 19, 2022 @09:23AM (#62549002)
      Funny thing, at my first job out of college I was told by a senior dev that if I was as good as I thought I was I should go work for Microsoft. Pretty sure they only meant to knock my ego down a few pegs, but a few interviews later and a background check and I was officially working at Microsoft! I look back at this with great amusement.
  • If anything (Score:4, Interesting)

    by wakeboarder ( 2695839 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @07:32PM (#62547600)

    Less commute time means more time for workers, and odds are a well motivated worker will spend it on work if it needs to get done.

    • LOL, no. Work is never done. But people will spend more time on "down-time" activities making them more well rested or happier for the next work shift.

      • Agreed with work is never done.

        I know a few people who are working from home, and putting in 10 to 12 hours or more, 5 days a week and another 8 to 10 hours over the weekend on work.

        And these are people who used to work office hours, in the office, with an occasional hour or so extra sometimes.

        Now that they have the company laptop at home, they seem to be piled on with more and more work and it's getting harder for them to "escape" from work.

  • by khchung ( 462899 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @08:09PM (#62547678) Journal

    Last year, there were already reports about how much the air in cities got cleaner because of the huge reduction in commute traffic, not to mention the reduction in gas usage, and hence CO2 emission.

    Where are the supposedly "green" environmental groups screaming for companies to allow full time remote working? Why aren't Greenpeace naming and shaming companies like Apple calling for a return to office?

    Calling for full remote working have more direct and immediate impact on improving the environment than any green energy project, or trying to block yet another nuclear plant, yet we heard nothing from these supposedly green groups on this topic. Doesn't take much to figure what these groups real purpose are.

    • Greenpeace doesn’t need to be involved as tech workers are already vocal about it.

    • by Kokuyo ( 549451 )

      These "non-profit" good hearted people aren't. That's the whole secret. Greenpeace is a corporation that needs to cater to a demand. If no demand is generated, it loses business.

      Solving a problem is not in the best interest of Greenpeace. Acting like they are working on it is.

      It's a similar concept with hospitals... while the workers may or may not have good intentions, their management has other goals.

    • by q_e_t ( 5104099 )

      Where are the supposedly "green" environmental groups screaming for companies to allow full time remote working?

      They've been suggesting it for a couple of decades.

  • by splutty ( 43475 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:01PM (#62547764)

    It infers that there's a causal relationship between the two events, when there's literally none.

    Not "After", "As". I don't care enough to see if this is the poster's headline or the original article, but it's stupid.

    • Ian Goodfellow used to work at Alphabet and has continued to collaborate with many of the researchers there. So his reason for boomeranging is likely much more complicated than WFH.

  • Goodfellow had to have been negotiating with Google for months. If he liked the job at Apple enough, RTW wouldn't be an issue. => RTW is a lame excuse that allows Goodfellow to avoid having to mention the likely real reason for his move: the beyond massive data collection by Google that he can mine.
  • Dumb Apple Policy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by luis_a_espinal ( 1810296 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @09:29PM (#62547832)

    Apple workers are still required to work in the office two days per week and will now have to wear masks in common area

    That is dumb. If you require your engineers and knowledge workers to wear masks in common areas, then it means it is not necessarily safe, and you should let them work from home.

    I understand the push to get workers back to the office. But there are better ways to do this than just giving arbitrary mandates. I personally prefer to work a few days a week at the office than to be fully remote. And thankfully most companies are flexible about this.

    I find this inflexibility at Apple (or Alphabet) to be quite puzzling, and something that I would expect from less technologically-centered companies.

    • by Arethan ( 223197 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:51PM (#62548088) Journal

      That's been my rule of thumb since day 1. If I'm required to wear PPE while I'm within the office workspace, for fear of spreading some disease, then the whole situation seems generally unsafe, and I'm simply not going to participate in that sort of cesspool. Seems like the easiest and most effective solution to me.

      • That's been my rule of thumb since day 1. If I'm required to wear PPE while I'm within the office workspace, for fear of spreading some disease, then the whole situation seems generally unsafe

        You are absolutely correct. I would refer anyone questioning this way of thinking to the Hierarchy of Controls. Most effective to least effective:

        Elimination -> Substitution -> Engineering Controls -> Administrative Controls -> PPE

        It's no accident that PPE is down at the bottom. Employers can't just discard the other controls because they feel like it.

      • Agreed. That may be mandated by local regulations, so it may or may not be up to Apple. Either way, though, the Ori^H^H^HApple sunk a huge amount of money into their trophy HQ, and they will not suffer the embarrassment of the place being empty any more than they need to. They would never sell the place, nor would anyone buy it.
        • by Arethan ( 223197 )

          Okay, I'll take this bait.

          What is "Ori^H^H^HApple" hiding? It's not Illuminati, obviously the spelling doesn't line up. Enquiring minds want to know.

          Also, they might as well just assign 50%+ to the local homeless. It's that or they take up hotel space or keep camping and pooping on the sidewalks. I lived in the Bay area for about 9 months, and I guess covid saved me from a horrible existence, because I moved out of that shithole as soon as I realized what a terrible mistake I'd made.

          I wish all the remaining

          • That was probably slightly obscure on my part, on Stargate SG1 the Ori spacecraft design was a ring like the new Apple HQ building.
    • It's really not puzzling when you view it as an end-run around illegal age discrimination. A requirement to regularly work any number of days every week in $office is not remote work. That's WFH, which is a superset. Requiring an employee to work in Cupertino more than a handful of days a *year* forces them to live there. Who's willing to move there and live in a van in the parking lot, or 10 dudes to a shitty apartment? 20-somethings. Who is neither willing nor financially able? People with spouses, f
  • by couchslug ( 175151 ) on Wednesday May 18, 2022 @11:53PM (#62548090)

    Commuting is enormously wasteful of time, money, and energy while causing a variety of pollution including that emitting manufacturing vehicles however "clean" they may be.

    Commuting is evil expensive waste to be avoided whenever practical.

    • by jwymanm ( 627857 )
      This is a bipartisan issue too. Everyone can agree it's a fucking huge waste to commute to an office you don't need to.
  • so we always went in (before covid, of course). my new company is too cheap to give us a $5 lunch (that keeps us on campus for that hour). the free lunches usually worked out well for the company, for that $5 they put in, they usually get about 1/2 hour of free work out of us as we grab our slices of pizza (or whatever else was on the buffet line) and then go back to our desks and continue to work. we might chat in the caf for a short bit but its usually short.

    now, if you remove that benefit, I either ha

  • With the long period of work-from-home, some of the workers moved to more affordable locations. If they must return to the office, they have to move back to the area.

    Some of those sold their houses, rented them out, dropped leases, etc.

    The housing market in the Bay Area is sky high, and selling out then buying back in would both lose a bunch of bux and the Proposition 13 tax beneifits: The new, more expensive, house would be taxed at the current rates. Not affordable. (Renting a Silicon Valleyroom these

  • As for the change of policy and the introduction of new technologies in companies, I believe that first of all it is necessary to pay attention to improving the level of security. I read a lot about facial recognition and biometrics, for example in this article https://www.kvalifika.com/blog/fundamentals-of-facial-recognition [kvalifika.com]. In my opinion, this is a great solution for companies.

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