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Apple iMac With M3 Set For 2023, iMac Pro Isn't Dead (bloomberg.com) 47

According to Bloomberg's Mark Gurman, Apple is already working on an M3 iMac, along with refreshed MacBooks and a Mac Mini running an M1 Pro chip. He also said the iMac Pro isn't dead, though it's not expected to arrive "anytime soon." From the report: Add an M3-based iMac to your list of future models. Last week, I detailed Apple's road map for the M2 chip and Mac. The plans include: An M2 chip for a new MacBook Air, entry-level MacBook Pro and Mac mini; M2 Pro and M2 Max chips for a new 14-inch MacBook Pro and 16-inch MacBook Pro; and A dual M2 Ultra chip for the Mac Pro.

Since then, I've heard that the M2 chips aren't the only ones in testing within Apple. And if you're waiting for a new iMac, I'm hearing an M3 version of that desktop is already in the works -- though I imagine it won't launch until the end of next year at the earliest. Also, for those asking, I still think an iMac Pro is coming. It just won't be anytime soon.
Gurman also wrote about what we can expect to see with the iPhone 14. "First off, the overall design from the iPhone 12 and iPhone 13 will stick around another year. [...] There will also be larger camera bumps to fit in new sensors."

"That notch will include a pill-shaped cutout for Face ID and a circular cutout for the camera," adds Gurman. "That will be Apple's solution until it's able to fully embed Face ID and the front-facing camera into the display itself. That's still at least three or four years away." There's also going to be a slight shake-up with the iPhone's screen sizes, with the non-Pro iPhone line getting a 6.7-inch screen option.

Interestingly, the company is "still working on bringing satellite connectivity to the iPhone" to gain the ability to make calls over satellite networks. "The company first aimed at adding the feature in last year's model, but now the capability could be ready this time around," wrote Gurman.
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Apple iMac With M3 Set For 2023, iMac Pro Isn't Dead

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  • Doesn't make sense, unless the Mac Pro will be made the same way.
    • It does if the Mac Pro w/ M2 is released in a few months, but the iMac (Pro?) w/ M3 is a year after that.
    • Doesn't make sense, unless the Mac Pro will be made the same way.

      This is completely nonsensical.

      If you want an Apple Silicon "iMac Pro", you can simply buy a Mac Studio (with whatever config you wish), and an Apple Studio Display. More flexible, and much better cooling!

      Plus, why talk about an M3, when the M2 hasn't even been announced?

      Further, Apple isn't about to "miss a step" by not introducing an iPhone 14 this year.

  • I am quite bored about new phones in general. However the continuous progression in photo and video image quality, that is still fascinating for me. Rumour is that the next iPhone sensor may have 48 Mp - though probably youâ(TM)ll get 12 MP pictures and it can do more computational wizardry.
    • While 48 Mp might seem overkill for a mobile phone, there are some 30+ devices sporting 108 Mpixel sensors.

      • Yes, but there is a trade off there. The smaller the pixels, the fewer photos they detect, and the worse signal to noise ratio they get. Apple has historically stuck to lower resolution sensors with less noise, and has good results from them (not the absolute best, but fairly close). If theyâ(TM)re going for a higher resolution sensor it suggests theyâ(TM)ve found a way (either through physics or computation) to make the photos less noisy even with that many pixels.

        • Kinda depends since the newer phones have multiple cameras on the back and stack them all in some clever way to make the best image. Are these huge megapixel numbers for a single senor, or all the sensors added up?
        • I was thinking, 48 is 4 times 12Mp - the current number of megapixels in their photos. It would not surprise me that the pictures are still 12mp but doing clever calculations on 4 pixels to get an image with little noise.
  • by firebumble ( 5611894 ) on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @06:59AM (#62480458)
    may as well wait for M5
  • by battingly ( 5065477 ) on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:20AM (#62480486)
    Wait, you're telling me the M1 will be followed by the M2? And, incredibly, the M2 will be followed by the M3. Wow!
    • This is where Apple lags behind Microsoft and their innovative naming. It should be M-One 360 if MS named it.
    • by beelsebob ( 529313 ) on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @07:49AM (#62480546)

      In what has become tradition in the tech industry, each year apple will release a new chip, they will be named M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7, M8, MX, MXS, M13.

      • by Zak3056 ( 69287 )

        In what has become tradition in the tech industry, each year apple will release a new chip, they will be named M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7, M8, MX, MXS, M13.

        It's when they release the MS13 that we'll have a real problem.

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          It's when they release the MS13 that we'll have a real problem.

          I wonder what would happen if that's the case - where all of a sudden the Google searches turn from the gang to Apple's next chip. I wonder how much chaos would ensue from people trying to look up the gang and getting Apple's products, and gang members getting information on the latest chips.

          Does it result in a gang having to change their name and tattoos or what?

          • It's when they release the MS13 that we'll have a real problem.

            I wonder what would happen if that's the case - where all of a sudden the Google searches turn from the gang to Apple's next chip. I wonder how much chaos would ensue from people trying to look up the gang and getting Apple's products, and gang members getting information on the latest chips.

            Does it result in a gang having to change their name and tattoos or what?

            No, this is the 21st Century.

            The Gang will just sue Apple for Trademark Infringement!

      • In what has become tradition in the tech industry, each year apple will release a new chip, they will be named M1, M2, M3, [...] MXS

        Don't you think that's a bit...excessive...?

        I'll show myself the door.

      • In what has become tradition in the tech industry, each year apple will release a new chip, they will be named M1, M2, M3, M4, M5, M6, M7, M8, MX, MXS, M13.

        Except they're already going on 2 years on M1 variants.

  • Satellite? (Score:2, Offtopic)

    Given that Starlink is 100+ Mbit, there does seem room to go narrowband, speech needs only a couple kbit/s. That should allow you to reduce the power and phased array antenna size to the point it would fit in a mobile phone. Would require direct cooperation with Starlink/OneWeb for the narrowband channels though, maybe Apple is getting ready to buy OneWeb outright ...

    Wonder if they would put transparent patch antennas on top of the display, or on the back of the phone. Either way you would probably have to

    • Re:Satellite? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by tsqr ( 808554 ) on Tuesday April 26, 2022 @09:11AM (#62480736)

      Given that Starlink is [blah, blah, blah]

      It's not about Starlink; it's about Globalstar. And it's not so you can talk or Tweet; it's for emergencies.

      From TFA:
      To be clear: The iPhone won’t be getting the ability to make calls over satellite networks. Instead, the feature is designed to report emergencies or send short texts to emergency contacts when out of cellular service range. You can read my story from last year for more details.

      There have been signs lately that Apple and its apparent satellite partner Globalstar Inc. might be getting closer to launching such a feature. In February, Globalstar said it reached an agreement to buy 17 new satellites to help power “continuous satellite services” for a “potential”—and unnamed—customer that had paid it hundreds of millions of dollars.

      • each sms costs $.25 base (roaming more) and apple may make it easy and have auto collect calls to 911 with you being billed something like $1-$5 / message to your rescue bill.

        • by tsqr ( 808554 )
          I'm thinking cost would not be an issue for someone in a life-threatening emergency situation.
          • in that case each message costs $25 and data at $25/meg

            • by tsqr ( 808554 )

              in that case each message costs $25 and data at $25/meg

              That would actually be an effective way to discourage frivolous use. How much is your life worth in an emergency?

        • each sms costs $.25 base (roaming more) and apple may make it easy and have auto collect calls to 911 with you being billed something like $1-$5 / message to your rescue bill.

          And your point being, Hater?

      • For me, satellite backup is the single-most exciting feature on the drawing boards for any phone, since I am paying good money for a separate device to do that. So, I'm bummed it will be an exclusive Apple-only deal (and I presume, tied in with a major carrier).

        Although, I suppose any new feature that is actually good is bound to cost extra one way or another for years until it trickles down.

      • Given that Starlink is [blah, blah, blah]

        It's not about Starlink; it's about Globalstar. And it's not so you can talk or Tweet; it's for emergencies.

        From TFA:

        To be clear: The iPhone won’t be getting the ability to make calls over satellite networks. Instead, the feature is designed to report emergencies or send short texts to emergency contacts when out of cellular service range. You can read my story from last year for more details.

        There have been signs lately that Apple and its apparent satellite partner Globalstar Inc. might be getting closer to launching such a feature. In February, Globalstar said it reached an agreement to buy 17 new satellites to help power “continuous satellite services” for a “potential”—and unnamed—customer that had paid it hundreds of millions of dollars.

        There is also a rumor about the same Emergency feature being added to the Apple Watch. Reportedly, it would not require an iPhone to be present.

    • apple sat phone only $5/minute data caps low with big overages.

  • I mean, this is good and all, but at this point, I've stopped keeping up with Apple, because we usually only get marginal differences each year, but who knows, this might be big. I would like to see a port of NetBSD on Apple silicon, though. Eventuallyâ¦
    • by Hawks ( 102993 )

      The current release of OpenBSD has support for the M1 macs. Close enough for you?
      Article from The Register [theregister.com]

      OpenBSD 7.1 Release Notes [openbsd.org]

    • I mean, this is good and all, but at this point, I've stopped keeping up with Apple, because we usually only get marginal differences each year, but who knows, this might be big.

      One of the main reasons Apple moved on from IBM's PowerPC to Intel x86 then to their silicon was technology stagnation. IBM does devote R&D to their own line of Power chips but did not want to invest a great deal on updating their PowerPC chips to keep up with increasing consumer chip requirements (hardware A/V decoders, increased power efficiency for laptops, etc). Intel has suffered from manufacturing woes for 5 years before finally moving to 10nm. In that time, Apple got more and more frustrated with

      • by dgatwood ( 11270 )

        I mean, this is good and all, but at this point, I've stopped keeping up with Apple, because we usually only get marginal differences each year, but who knows, this might be big.

        One of the main reasons Apple moved on from IBM's PowerPC to Intel x86 then to their silicon was technology stagnation. IBM does devote R&D to their own line of Power chips but did not want to invest a great deal on updating their PowerPC chips to keep up with increasing consumer chip requirements (hardware A/V decoders, increased power efficiency for laptops, etc).

        Its a little more complex than that. First, it's important to understand that Apple has (or at least had) a rule requiring at least two suppliers for any component included in their hardware. That didn't mean they necessarily had a relationship with multiple suppliers, but they weren't about to commit to a CPU architecture unless there were at least two competitors in the space.

        Unfortunately, there weren't two competitors in the PowerPC computing space, or at least not two viable competitors.

        IBM didn't ha

        • That's a great analysis of the various platform transitions (excluding the 68k to PPC, of course), and I generally agree not only with your reasoning.

          However, I need to respectfully modify one statement, based on my experience:

          First, it's important to understand that Apple has (or at least had) a rule requiring at least two suppliers for any component included in their hardware. That didn't mean they necessarily had a relationship with multiple suppliers, but they weren't about to commit to a CPU architecture unless there were at least two competitors in the space.

          Now, while I agree that Apple, like most OEMs, does like to have multiple sources for every component in the hardware BOM, this edict is always waived for single-source critical components, such as CPUs, GPUs, and others. Technically unwise; but nothing would ever get built if multipl

        • That's the story as best I understand it. The PowerPC platform wasn't stagnating. It just was developing in two directions, one of which Apple didn't care much about (embedded devices), and one of which Apple couldn't put in laptops (giant, power-hungry speed demons). With laptops being such a large part of Apple's market, they didn't have any viable options going forwards.

          What I meant is that the PowerPC platform was stagnating especially from a yearly consumer PC perspective. Sure IBM was going to continually improve the Power architecture but that meant new chips every few years not every year. Apple needed yearly improvements and IBM was not going to invest the money to do that as you rightly identified that Apple was a small customer to them. Other customers like Sony(PS 3) and MS (Xbox 360) had PowerPC chips that never changed over the course of the product other than a

  • Just so we don't see as much random stuff that is most likely not true, it would be nice if Apple could have a mini-WWDC every so often, just to discuss stuff that is being worked on and coming out Soon(tm), similar to how Blizzard drops a tidbit of info on something every so often. It could be about a new CPU, it could be a upcoming Mac. Something to keep the rumors down to reality, but not revealing any unannounced products directly.

    This would keep the news sites going, but also have realistic stuff for

  • Let me use our two 27” iMacs as displays. Yeah, they’re old. But there’s nothing wrong with the screens.

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