Apple Hosts Apps Run by China Paramilitary Group Accused of Uyghur Genocide (theinformation.com) 58
Apple's App Store has been distributing more than a dozen apps created by a Chinese organization sanctioned by the U.S. [Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source] for human rights abuses against Muslim minorities in China's Xinjiang region, The Information reported Friday. From the report: The apps, which provide news, offer information about government services and help small businesses manage orders for e-commerce, ride hailing and home repairs, were created by various units of the Xinjiang Production and Construction Corps, a paramilitary organization in charge of the region's economy and security. Several Western governments and human rights groups have accused the Corps and the regional government of detaining and physically abusing or sterilizing up to 2 million Uyghurs, the ethnically Turkic residents of northwestern China. Chinese officials have repeatedly denied the allegations.
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Where's that "holier than thou" censorship and deplatforming now?
Let me guess, it's "unproductive" for us to discuss the slave labor Apple uses or it's support of literal Genocide.
Genocide against minorities and barely having any hiring diversity... Totally A-OK. Allowing a member of the right to do something as small as insult a minority... Banning, deplatforming, talks to build your own, talks to censor your own, then ripping the IP's and hosting from you even if you do.
Where's Mr. Tim Cook on this one? A
Re:Nice Signature (Score:1)
Nice Signature. Let me fix that for you though.
Almost always the majority just means all the morons are on the same side.
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Nice Signature. Let me fix that for you though.
Almost always the majority just means all the morons are on the same side.
Really?
The majority have decided that theft and murder should be illegal.
The majority have decided that women and minorities have rights, should be allowed to own property, and to vote
Your statement that the majority are almost always morons means you almost always disagree with all these majority opinions? Really?
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It's the classic mistake of thinking any large enterprise takes any position on morality. People think companies de-platform or support causes based on some political agenda. It's all just marketing and revenue based. Does anyone think Nike really gives a damn about BLM? It's more profitable for them to align themselves with one cause and distance themselves from another. Companies are simply not concerned with losing the sales of the types of people that would "insult a minority". Sorry minority insu
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I am reasonably confident that Apple does not knowingly distribute apps developed by Rape News Org or Pedophile Services Inc.
The problem is not that the apps are used by people committing genocide. It is that they are created by the perpetrators of genocide.
(Cue the "alleged" and "where's the proof" posters. Bring it on. China is absolutely committing genocide.)
ReiserFS (Score:2, Interesting)
Emacs (Score:4)
It's still in all the distros' repositories. Shall we revive the anti-Emacs holy war...with a little more religious fervor this time?
People used to understand that there was a lot of unsavory shit going down beyond the walls and in the shadows. That's why they used to remind each other that people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and that the only person you should try to police is yourself, because there will always be more evil out there than you can cancel, so best to focus on positivity and building something good instead of getting down jnt the muck trying to tear something down.
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[ReiserFS is] still supported in Linux and no one is yelling about that.
Your statement is pure whataboutism.
I hate Apple too, this just isn't one of the reasons why.
So material support for a genocidal regime isn't a non-issue for you? Have you no decency?
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[Uyghers] are being treated the same as any other foreign fighters,
Umm... it reads like you don't know who the Uyghurs are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
The Uyghurs are recognized as native[note 2] to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region in Northwest China.
China(mainly in Xinjiang) 12.8 million (official figure)
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Autonomous Region
:-) Like I said, disputed territory. China is dealing with it as anyone else would.
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The Uyghurs are Chinese that were living peacefully. China has surveyed the population, selected those they deemed a threat, put them in concentration camps for "re-education" and have systematically destroyed everything relating to their culture. This is not a dispute, it's a slaughter and genocide.
Then going to with widows of the detained (as almost none survive) to rape and sterilize them isn't war, it's inhuman. How you could think this is somehow acceptable is beyond my comprehension.
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"Living peacefully" - you're funny, obviously didn't read the link. Eh, there's no arguing with true believers.
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I read your link. It says the Uyghurs are reacting to oppression from the Chinese government.
But don't let your own facts get in the way of your argument.
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I remember the idiots here defending that guy. His mail order Russian bride suddenly disappears along with the passenger seat of his car. They find blood splatter all over his house and car along with books on murder investigations. He's just an eccentric guy they said.
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> It's still supported in Linux and no one is yelling about that.
One is about a man who killed his wife more than a decade ago.
Another is about a US company actively supporting an organization actively involved in a genocide. Today.
How does one have the temerity to draw equivalence between such things?
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"accused" (Score:2)
How about some actual evidence before sentencing?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
Let's talk to some people who have left the camps. Oh wait there doesn't seem to be any...
Re: "accused" (Score:2)
Exactly, no camps.
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Chinese astroturfers to your keyboards! (Score:3)
Always delightful.
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Re: Chinese astroturfers to your keyboards! (Score:2)
What is wrong with doubting criticism no matter who/what it is directed at?
You think we should shut up when we disagree or are you only interested in opinion that agrees?
I'd hate for people to think that everyone agrees with this unfounded nonsense. It's just wmd all over again.
Some of us learned. The trust is gone. The people who make these claims need to provide their evidence and it is then up to us if it justifies the accusations and actions.
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Re: Chinese astroturfers to your keyboards! (Score:2)
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As I said earlier, this is a shoutout to the trolls, not a comment on the ongoing genocidal actions actions of that government. I'll leave that to more informed people such as yourself.
Re: Chinese astroturfers to your keyboards! (Score:2)
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More likely they don't want to piss off the Chinese government, given that China is a huge market for them and there have already been hints about destroying Apple in retaliation for what is being done to Huawei.
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If Apple won't act on its own, hopefully the sanctions will force its hand.
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More likely they don't want to piss off the Chinese government, given that China is a huge market for them and there have already been hints about destroying Apple in retaliation for what is being done to Huawei.
This time will be different. An American company will be given unfettered access to the Chinese market. The Chinese Communist Party will not identify Apple's offerings as a strategic product/service that must have a domestic source and "create" a competitor. Because, you know, its Apple. :-)
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More like they save Apple money, so there's no problem. Posturing aside, Apple couldn't give one shit about larger issues like labor or the environment - what you'd characterize as "politics."
Sounds like you've bought into their advertising. What kind of retards moderated this up?
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More like they save Apple money, so there's no problem. Posturing aside, Apple couldn't give one shit about larger issues like labor or the environment - what you'd characterize as "politics." Sounds like you've bought into their advertising. What kind of retards moderated this up?
Sounds like you have a problem with comprehension. Try re-reading and getting back to us.
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I'd rather not. Contemplating such stilted, shoehorned-in tribalism hurts my brain. "No, you're a genocidal maniac!" Cool story bro - it's still about the money, not whatever else you think it is.
I have 15 mod points, should have just modded it down instead of trying to engage with that kind of schoolyard BS. What's even sadder is it seems you're completely serious about it.
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I'd rather not. Contemplating such stilted, shoehorned-in tribalism hurts my brain. "No, you're a genocidal maniac!" Cool story bro - it's still about the money, not whatever else you think it is
Well that's one way to avoid having your assumption debunked and to maintain your bubble.
I have 15 mod points, should have just modded it down instead of trying to engage with that kind of schoolyard BS.
LOL, quite the bit of projection there regarding schoolyard BS.
What's even sadder is it seems you're completely serious about it.
How would you know, other than by assuming your bad guesses are correct? Again, enjoy the bubble where all your guesses are presumed correct.
Copying other companies as usual (Score:2)
Again Apple just makes a trendy shiny version of something other companies were doing long ago (IBM) and resells it for a fortune, and it's suddenly super popular.
Remember "it's complicated" (Score:2)
The collaboration between Ford and IBM and Nazi Germany is presented in Manichean terms in 2021, but this "is complicated" because it's now a current generation of businessmen, engineers, shareholders, customers, etc. benefiting from blood money.
Part of the reason many of us on the right go "lalalala STFU" reflexively at any lectures by SV types about morality is this behavior. If you are partnering with a regime like the PRC, you don't get to lecture us on right and wrong outside of your personal testimony
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As a good example, have you noticed the absolutely deafening silence of Hollywood on, say, the issue of Tibet or more recently, the plight of ethnic Uighurs? For all of their moral superiority in lecturing us on local politics, they dare not speak against China for fear of economic reprisals. China is now a huge market for them, and is very touchy about any perceived insult or criticism. Any tiny incident could result in the less of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars when China disallows their next
Re: Remember "it's complicated" (Score:2)
Isn't doing business with the USA equally as immoral for very similar reasons, and with actual proof not just allegations/suspicion? In which case, they should be encouraging the world to not do business with the USA. That would be moral.
Apple Not Just Worried About Sales To China (Score:4, Insightful)
If China says don't remove this app then it stays (Score:2)
If China says don't remove this app then it stays in the app store. Even if it brakes the rules.
But if they say china games must use China pay for in app stuff will apple do that and not take 30%?
Hip and Cool (Score:1)
Wow, that's really hip and cool. Very in vogue. I can picture the silhouette commercial now...
We can always count on uncle Tim to make the right moral decisions for humanity, and not just for his holdings of Apple stock.
For real guys... (Score:1)
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What does 'racist against Chinese' even mean? China is a country with many races and numerous 'autonomous regions' within their borders. The Uyghurs are one such minority racial group.
Is 'racism' just a bad word you slap around without even knowing the meaning of?
Re: For real guys... (Score:2)
The term has clearly come to mean any negative view of any group of similar people. Unfortunately. It has very little, to nothing, to do with actual race any more :(
Yes it bothers me. (Score:1)
Yes, it bothers me that the US has done some very objectionable things. But it bothers me even more the things we haven't done. We could have used our military to protect Ukraine from invasion. We could have protected the Uighurs. We could have aided the civil war in Syria, but when the "line in the sand" was crossed, POTUS lost its will.
We'll bomb Afghanistan flat, because a terrorist hid out there once... but meanwhile won't even sanction a country committing genocide.
What good does it do us to s
Re: Yes it bothers me. (Score:2)
The USA could have protected Iraq...or whatever bogus reason you actually used.
The fact is, the USA is basically full of it and is only interested in keeping itself on top, and picks, chooses and plain manufacturers "issues" as excuses for any action, military or otherwise, to further that goal. On the whole, the USA is a scourge on humanity.
So, we are ending up with snowpiercer basically (Score:2)
So, we are ending up with snowpiercer basically
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik... [wikipedia.org]
Lol (Score:1)