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Apple-Criticizing Banner Ads Now Added to Some of Facebook's iOS Apps (9to5mac.com) 82

Posted by EditorDavid from the captive-audiences dept.
Facebook added banner ads criticizing Apple into some of its iOS apps, 9to5Mac reports, in its ongoing war against Apple's new privacy changes: By tapping the Learn More button, the app opens an article written by Facebook in which the company says Apple's policies announced at WWDC 2020 with iOS 14 will "harm the growth of business and the free internet." Facebook refers both to the new App Store privacy labels and also an option in iOS 14 that prevents apps from tracking users.

The fact that Facebook is now showing these messages in its iOS apps criticizing Apple demonstrates that the company is trying to get popular appeal to change Apple's mind about its new App Store privacy rules. That's because Facebook is one of the companies that will be most impacted by Apple's new privacy policies as its social networks rely heavily on ads and personal data from users.

In a statement to 9to5Mac, Apple said it doesn't want to force Facebook to change its business model, but the company expects Facebook to be more transparent about how it collects data from users and let them choose whether or not to offer such data.
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  • I'm loving it. (Score:1, Offtopic)

    by BAReFO0t ( 6240524 )

    One of them will end up dead.

    If I'm lucky, it will be both. :)

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by hey! ( 33014 )

      I don't want either company dead. I want them both *regulated*.

      • Yes, I'm assuming that is the same thing. Since there is no part of their "business" that is not harmful to everything that is good.

        Some people cannot think far enough to see that.
        That is the wave on which they ride to existence in the first place.

    • Google will sell enough services to pull out of advertising, leaving all these scummy social media companies with systems designed to block adverts, leaving them unable to make a profit.

  • Facebook's disingenuous posturing (Score:5, Insightful)

    by riskkeyesq ( 709039 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @05:44PM (#60849458)
    Apple is offering users a choice, Apple is not "forcing updates", "killing the free internet", or doing any of the things Facebook's lies about. The very fact Facebook is telling baldfaced lies makes it clear they are a dishonest company and can't be trusted with user data.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      They have a history of doing this. After the Cambridge Analytica and Russian trolling scandals they started buying up print ads (billboards and newspapers) trying to make out that they were the victims and that they really cared about people abusing you like this.

      No idea if it worked or if they just don't have any better ideas.

  • Negative sympathy (Score:5, Insightful)

    by sinij ( 911942 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @05:52PM (#60849492)
    I don't think FB realizes that most people would cheer Apple on and FB adds like that are the best marketing they could give to Apple.

    • Re: Negative sympathy (Score:5, Insightful)

      by BarbaraHudson ( 3785311 ) <barbara.jane.hud ... minus physicist> on Saturday December 19, 2020 @06:00PM (#60849516) Journal
      The average Facebook user on Android is so used to being anally proved by google that they don't realize that it's not necessary.

      But by pushing ads on IOS they're just going to make iPhone users even more willing to say "look, here's another example why iPhone is better."

      Though everyone who saw the video of the guy who was making a video from an airplane and dropped his iPhone 6 out the window - and used "Find my iPhone" to pick it up from where it landed, and it still works just fine, is going to be impressed.

      iPhone 6 - 2014, still getting updates last month. Android - nope.

      • iPhone 6 - 2014, still getting updates last month. Android - nope.

        It's telling and sad that people think a phone from 2014 still getting updates is in any way notable or impressive. Don't get me wrong, Android is on the whole much much worse. But the laptop I'm writing from is from 2010. It's run ubuntu 10.04, 14.04, and is currently on 18.04. I expect I'll stick with the pattern and move to 22.04 when the time comes.

        I might upgrade the RAM or disk during that time.

    • Most people? Maybe on planet iSomething.
      In the real world, Apple caters to people that are so.clueless about technology, they would still write paper letters with teir typewriters if they didn't use iPads in the failed atrempt to compensate their empty insides with vanity and their cluelessness with cargo culting.

      I don't know where you live, and that may be a thing in LA or New York, but that sure as hell ain't a thing here in Europe or probanly large parts of the US either.

      Over here, Apple is known for bei

      • Re: Negative sympathy (Score:4, Informative)

        by angel'o'sphere ( 80593 ) <angelo.schneider ... e ['oom' in gap]> on Sunday December 20, 2020 @02:54AM (#60850392) Journal

        I think you do not know anyone who owns apple devices.

        And requiring people to to be an computer expert to get Windows or an Android tablet properly running is just bollocks. I expect a device to work out of the box. And I expect it continues working without need of any fixing for ever.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by shilly ( 142940 )

        In which country in Europe is it literally illegal for people to walk down a street in a town live-streaming a video of themselves? This sounds like something you've literally made up, because people live-stream videos of themselves legally in Europe all the time.

  • This is getting good. It would have been funnier if this were happening to some other country's companies, rather than ones my friends and neighbors work at.

    • Well, why are they your friends then?
      Neighbors I get. Not.everyone has the freedom to just move out of the Silicunt Wasteland. But how do you still talk to them when they are /like that/ again?
      Or is it because they don't have a choice with their jobs either, and they aren't fans either? Because I smell a business opportunity to employ them, there.

  • Really? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Freischutz ( 4776131 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @06:02PM (#60849520)

    Apple's policies announced at WWDC 2020 with iOS 14 will "harm the growth of business and the free internet."

    Where "harm the growth of business and the free internet" means restrict Facebook's ability to watch and warehouse data on every move you make and then sell it to the highest bidder. This is a bit like the international predator association warning prey species about Apple restricting access to fang and claw sharpeners, i.e. not likely to meet with much sympathy. Perhaps Facebook can seek solace in the knowledge that Google is not likely to make similar changes to it's Android OS which holds 90% of mobile OS market since Google is neck deep into the same mass surveillance business as Facebook.

    • Actually it would help the growth of the Internet by making Facebook less viable than alternatives that don't spy on their users.

      Facebook lies again. Not exactly news.

      • Re: (Score:1)

        by Anonymous Coward

        ... than alternatives that don't spy on their users.

        Which alternatives would those be? Anything anybody's ever heard of?

        • There's a few countries that would be quite happy to start social media networks for their citizens. With the ability to enforce laws against kiddie porn and hate speech, as well as fraud.

          Australia is looking into it and potentially banning Facebook.

        • Facebook is as good as dead here in Germany. Young people moved on to Crapshat, ThickCock and InstaGrime long ago, and older people are starting to leave "social media" altogether.

          Turns out no alternative, including Facepoke, is needed at all. Real life and real friendships has become quite fashinable around here. To a point where students brag about doing something real with friends offline and how bad it is to be on social media (even though they secretly still are, but the mindset breeds a self-fulfillin

    • However, Facebook already announced that this is going to result in a 50% drop in revenue for the department that does the tracking, because iOS users are more valuable for advertisers.  Apparently advertisers do not think as highly of people who use Android.  Wonder why.

  • It's pretty obviously targeted at businesses who run on top of Facebook - but they're showing this to everyone? I would think that if the typical Facebook user reads that missive, at best they'd say "I'm not seeing the problem here". At worst, it might serve to inform the user that Facebook is using their data in ways the user may not appreciate.

    But, then, maybe I'm giving the typical Facebook user too much credit.

    • Re:Just read Facebook's post (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Ol Olsoc ( 1175323 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @06:44PM (#60849618)

      It's pretty obviously targeted at businesses who run on top of Facebook - but they're showing this to everyone? I would think that if the typical Facebook user reads that missive, at best they'd say "I'm not seeing the problem here". At worst, it might serve to inform the user that Facebook is using their data in ways the user may not appreciate.

      But, then, maybe I'm giving the typical Facebook user too much credit.

      And as an Apple user, I find Facebook's chagrin most encouraging.If they are worried, it means they have a reason to be.And means it's a good thing.

  • Seeing Facebook, a communication platform, to use trolling as a means to get what they want is a terribly stupid idea.

  • Repeat after me: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anubis IV ( 1279820 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @06:42PM (#60849604)

    You, as an app developer, do not have an unrestricted right to collect as much information as you can about us from our devices. The fact that users lacked the tools to protect their data did not give you a right to collect it, just the ability. The fact that you built a business that was predicated on the unrestricted collection of user data does not give you the right to continue collecting it. The fact that you’ve done so much to piss off your users that most of them will lock you out at the first opportunity they’re given does not make you a victim, endanger legitimate businesses, or indicate in any way that there is something wrong with the world.

    Quite the contrary, their ability to do so is the result of someone finally fixing the thing that’s wrong: your unfettered access to data.

    • s/unrestricted collection of user data/unrestricted and illegal collection of user data/g;

      They're just reinforcing the message to Apple users that they made the right choice.

      Also, iPhone market share in terms of sales seriously underestimates user share, since iPhones get updates for more than 6 years and survive falls from airplanes.

      Less than 4 years to go for this iPhone 6 to hit the decade mark.

      My Android phone, bought in 2015, died years ago, and only got 2 years of updates. So just as well it

  • good advertisement (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tom ( 822 ) on Saturday December 19, 2020 @07:17PM (#60849688) Homepage Journal

    an article written by Facebook in which the company says Apple's policies announced at WWDC 2020 with iOS 14 will "harm the growth of business and the free internet." Facebook refers both to the new App Store privacy labels and also an option in iOS 14 that prevents apps from tracking users.

    In other words: We should all upgrade to iOS 14 ASAP, because it shuts down some of FB's worst tracking. Thanks for the information, I'll get on it right away.

    Whenever a huge multinational company whines about generics like "harm to small businesses" or "freedom" or "consumers", it all translates to "hurts my bottom line".

    • Or upgrade to a real OS, with freedoms, as, as usual, both sides here are harmfully evil and evilly harmful. Sure, FB might be a -10 on the bad/good scale. But Apple is at least 7 too. You might believe that is still better, but amything below 0 is still bad and inacceptable, and you do not have to choose *either*.
      If somebody thinks a Fairphone without GApps, but with FB/Google blocked right in the OS, isn't good enough because of lacking a bit of speed that they never freaking used or needed, they are the

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Tom ( 822 )

        I prefer a system that actually works over one that I tinker with all the time these days.

        That's why Linux runs my servers and MacOS runs my desktops and iOS runs my smartphones. These are the best choices for the respective platforms and you can disagree if you want, but you won't change my mind unless you have some shocking new information that completely changes everything.

  • First of all, you'd have to click on the ad, which I can't imagine anyone actually ever doing (although admittedly, people are really stupid).
    Second, you'd have to believe what Facebook says, which also seems like quite a stretch.
    • They're tracking you without you clicking on an ad. How do you think they sell personalized ads?

      By removing the identifier, when your device hits Facebook servers, they can't personalize the af.

      When you see a "share with Facebook " icon it's already too late. You've been identified.

      To prevent this in Firefox, disable downloading images and disable JavaScript.. It'll never hit the server.

      Because the web is the weak point of the internet, web browsers are the weak point of the web, and JavaScript is

    • Research shows, that whoever you are, if it is repeated often enough, from enoigh sides, you start to think it is the case. Without ever consciously making that choice, mind you.

      Though, yes, dumber people will hold that belief, even if they are told it is wrong. Unless that is repeated even more. (Because they don't have the means to check for themselves, I presume.)

  • Meanwhile lemme get some popcorn

  • Goose. Meet Gander.

  • Is a dumb idea. IF people cared about the issues they would not have bought apple in the first place.

  • Nice app you've got there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.

    [ I'm backing the lesser evil (Apple) in this fight]

  • Users DATA in Facebook should be under ESCROW;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]

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