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Epic Games Accounts Won't Be Able To Use Apple's Sign-in System as Soon as September 11th (theverge.com) 36

Posted by msmash from the tussle-continues dept.
Apple's "Sign In with Apple" login system will no longer work with Epic Games accounts as soon as September 11th, Epic said today. The new restriction is another casualty of Apple and Epic's ongoing spat. From a report: If you currently use "Sign In with Apple" for your Epic account, Epic says you'll need to update your account with new login credentials before September 11th to retain access. Epic has put together a guide on how to make that update if you need to do so. Epic also says that it may be able to recover your account manually after the "Sign in with Apple" option goes away, but you'll have to contact the studio directly. Apple requires developers to use its single sign-on system if they offer any other third-party options and want their apps in the App Store -- presumably a driving factor behind Epic offering the service as a sign-in factor in the first place.
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  • Apple Auth only offered because it is required (Score:5, Informative)

    by MagicMike ( 7992 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:47PM (#60489130) Homepage

    It's a massive pain in the butt to integrate Apple Sign-In, and as a developer that maintains a library to make it slightly easier (https://github.com/invertase/react-native-apple-authentication/) I can say no one would offer it if Apple did not strictly require it.

    The API is not great, they did not backport it to their older operating systems, and in my experience not even apple users prefer it over google or facebook auth. And Apple has shown that while they won't decrypt your phone they are more than happy to share your cloud data, which would include these auth trails.

    It is one of the most obvious examples of how they use their monopolistic gatekeeper power

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
      Apple doesn't have a majority of the phone/computer market, so they aren't a monopoly, therefore anything behavior is 100% OK.

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by MagicMike ( 7992 )

        Does not stop them from trying, and I guess if they want to pursue anti-competitive practices resulting in their own eventual demise, good on them

      • They do have a majority of the hardware market in the US for phones. Note that I said hardware, not operating system. They also hold a large enough portion of the market that mobile web developers have to stick with whatever safari supports, and Apple has let it safari lag behind just like Microsoft did with IE6. My guess is they'd rather you publish an iOS app, just the same as Microsoft preferred you write a windows app. This, of course, wouldn't be a big deal if Apple allowed third party web browsers wit

        • Re: (Score:2)

          by msauve ( 701917 )
          >They do have a majority of the hardware market in the US for phones.

          A quick search says they have less than a 50% US market share, which is not the common understanding for a "majority." But why limit it to the US market? Apple is a global company, and both Samsung and Huawei have more global market share.

          • Majority can mean either "more than half the total" or mean the "the greater part". Both are valid in general use, although in specific fields it can have a narrower meaning (legal, elections, statistical, etc)

            And a quick search of mobile operating system market share shows otherwise. In May 2020 [statista.com], iOS has captured the largest portion (>50%) of the US smartphone market share.

            Comparing vendors rather than operating systems (Apple vs. Samsung, LG, etc), you can see that Apple has long had an the greater por [counterpointresearch.com]

            • Re: (Score:2)

              by msauve ( 701917 )
              >a quick search of mobile operating system market share shows otherwise. In May 2020

              You're cherry-picking. From your own source [statista.com]. And, no valid reason for limiting it to US market share. Look at global.

              • Oh it's valid to limit it to a single country, depending on what we want to discuss. Especially when legislation to stop monopolies and consumer protection laws are not international but limited and specific to each nation.

                And I specifically linked to news on the May 2020 announcement for people that forgot that Apple went over 50% in terms of market. Finding annual averages rather than monthly averages will of course smooth out the peaks, because math.

      • In some areas they are a monoply within their own ecosystem. They have created a walled garden that covers not just phones, but content, entertainment, gaming, social media, messaging, in effect they created a separate market in which they do sometimes act as a monopoly. Anti competition watchdogs and regulators are getting increasingly wary about customer lock-in into silos. Apple do control their own ecosystem and that is fine... except that they sometimes use it to obtain a monopoly on their own platf
      • Weather they are a monopoly or not is purely under the control of what the government decide is the ecosystem on the day. E.g. MS was declared a monopoly, but to achieve that the government excluded all non compatible hardware desktops, so no apple etc was included otherwise they would not have been able to call them a monopoly. Similiarly the government could define a monopoly as devices that IoS can install on excluding all the android devices and desktop PC's

    • in my experience not even apple users prefer it over google or Facebook auth

      I prefer it since I have more control over who has my email. It may take a while but I think over time a lot of people will grow to prefer it...

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by MagicMike ( 7992 )

        I enjoy privacy and I agree with you personally, but the numbers indicate you and I are rarities.
        Most people trade away their privacy happily. The more important point is that Apple does only lip service on the privacy front, and for email control you can use '+' suffix addressing yes?

      • Re: (Score:2)

        by Kohath ( 38547 )

        in my experience not even apple users prefer it over google or Facebook auth

        I prefer it since I have more control over who has my email. It may take a while but I think over time a lot of people will grow to prefer it...

        Same. I use it when it is offered. I would never use a Google or Facebook auth. First choice is Apple sign in, second choice is not using the app at all, third choice is using traditional email and password when the first 2 choices won't work.

        It's a new feature. It will get more popular.

    • That would be great if this whole lawsuit could force Apple to stop requiring Apple Sign-In. I build apps for a living, and I've been steering clients away from using social login because 1) it forces you to incorporate Apple Sign-In, and 2) Facebook login on multiple occasions has caused apps to crash on startup due to remote configuration changes.

  • Slashdot. News for people obsessed with Apple/Epic.

  • So, this is how they celebrate?

  • Years ago ... (Score:3)

    by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Wednesday September 09, 2020 @01:57PM (#60489196)
    ... I praised Apple's walled garden as a model of how to keep an ecosystem safe. However, over the years I have seen this power being abused more and more. I stopped purchasing Apple products more than five years ago because that walled garden had gotten so big and intrusive it made doing anything account related a pain in the ASCII. Not to mention that Apple products over the past 5 years have been nothing more than higher priced items offering the same old, same old.
    • Please keep us updated.

    • Re: (Score:2)

      by Ormy ( 1430821 )

      Apple products over the past 5 years have been nothing more than higher priced items offering the same old, same old.

      I agree with your comment, but mediocre hardware (yet aesthetically superior I admit) at inflated prices has been the foundation of Apple's product line for nearly two decades.

    • I praised Apple's walled garden as a model of how to keep an ecosystem safe. However, over the years I have seen this power being abused more and more.

      In what way?

      I would say the opposite is true, Apples ecosystem is the ONLY one that has not abused people using it.

      It's been more and more clear, I need to stay clear of Gogole and Facebook as much as possible, while Apple has been really great about user privacy issues and not building everything around an advertising model.

    • However, over the years I have seen this power being abused more and more.

      What abuse? Apple charges for a service. They have charged the same for this service for the past 10+ years. A customer is abusing the terms of services and getting booted as a result.

      I never purchased Apple products in the first place. I'm what most people call a "hater" yet the absurd reactions such as yours here are simply driving me to defend a company I don't like. If you shit in someone else's pool, expect to get kicked out. That isn't abuse.

  • Sideloading is absolutely needed.

    Going from real computers (whats a computer? one that is not locked down tighter than a nuns..) to this walled garden hell is beyond frustrating.

    My iPad Pro is a great device, but usability is close to a toy, given the stupid restrictions.

    Thats one thing that Android has done incredibly well.

    If only Google would release a real iPad Pro competitor, I would sell this damned thing.

    • I expect iOS to open up slightly but I doubt it will happen with iPhones. I think that would be the ideal compromise. I think iPads could benefit from being more open, being more like computers, but I was my phone to remain an appliance.

  • Is this supposed to be a joke?

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