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Apple's Independent Repair Program is Invasive To Shops and Their Customers, Contract Shows (vice.com) 71

The contract states independent repair shops must agree to audits and inspections by Apple, even if they leave the program. From a report: Last August, in what was widely hailed a victory for the right-to-repair movement, Apple announced it would begin selling parts, tools, and diagnostic services to independent repair shops in addition to its "authorized" repair partners. Apple's so-called Independent Repair Provider (IRP) program had its limitations, but was still seen as a step forward for a company that's fought independent repair for years. Recently, Motherboard obtained a copy of the contract businesses are required to sign before being admitted to Apple's IRP Program. The contract, which has not previously been made public, sheds new light on a program Apple initially touted as increasing access to repair but has been remarkably silent on ever since.

It contains terms that lawyers and repair advocates described as "onerous" and "crazy"; terms that could give Apple significant control over businesses that choose to participate. Concerningly, the contract is also invasive from a consumer privacy standpoint. In order to join the program, the contract states independent repair shops must agree to unannounced audits and inspections by Apple, which are intended, at least in part, to search for and identify the use of "prohibited" repair parts, which Apple can impose fines for. If they leave the program, Apple reserves the right to continue inspecting repair shops for up to five years after a repair shop leaves the program. Apple also requires repair shops in the program to share information about their customers at Apple's request, including names, phone numbers, and home addresses.

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Apple's Independent Repair Program is Invasive To Shops and Their Customers, Contract Shows

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  • In other words (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Opportunist ( 166417 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:50PM (#59699136)

    If we are legally required to let you repair our stuff, we will at least make it so inconvenient for you that you just don't want to.

  • by magarity ( 164372 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @03:52PM (#59699148)

    , and home addresses.

    In a New York Italian accent: How else can we send Guido and his boys by to 'splain to peoples dat you just don't go to no independent repair shops?

    • by guruevi ( 827432 )

      That's funny, but more likely they want to track repairs (especially under warranty) are actually from legitimate users and not just parts being resold on eBay.

      • by JaredOfEuropa ( 526365 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:25PM (#59699240) Journal
        If the phone is still under warranty, I'd imagine that having it fixed by a 3rd party repair shop would void that warranty (and that's fair enough). And once the warranty is void, Apple have no business whatsoever tracking the repairs done to my phone.
        • by suutar ( 1860506 )

          As I understand it, the Magnusson-Moss warranty act prohibits voiding the warranty just because a third party did the work... unless Apple has filed for and received an exception which has been published in the Federal Register.

          • I believe that's true of the warranty on parts, not on labor.
            So Apple could charge for the service of fixing a phone after non-OEM parts have been installed, they can't charge for replacement *parts* they put in under the parts half of the warranty.

            • by suutar ( 1860506 )

              I went and looked at the actual code (15 usc 2302(c) [cornell.edu]), it's on either but the prohibition is only in effect if the parts/labor are not free. So it looks like as long as the warranty work is free they can require that the work be done by themselves.

              • Yes that part is true. If you have it done by somei lse even though it's free, I think the effect is they can cancel only the labor part of the warranty going forward.

          • As I understand it, the Magnusson-Moss warranty act prohibits voiding the warranty just because a third party did the work... unless Apple has filed for and received an exception which has been published in the Federal Register.

            It certainly wouldn't fly in the EU. Apple would have to prove the unauthorized repair broke the device to get out of warranty, and even that would only get them out of repairing the stuff broken by third-parties, not other unrelated failures.

        • If the phone is still under warranty, I'd imagine that having it fixed by a 3rd party repair shop would void that warranty (and that's fair enough)

          Not the case here in Oz [accc.gov.au] The whole void warranty sticker is bs to consumer expectations of product lifetime and factory defects known or unknown. Here we don't need to purchase the mostly "forced" upon consumers of "extended warranties" as they are mostly money for an Americanized system, hence a rip off here to the unlearned.

          • If the phone is still under warranty, I'd imagine that having it fixed by a 3rd party repair shop would void that warranty (and that's fair enough)

            Not the case here in Oz [accc.gov.au] The whole void warranty sticker is bs to consumer expectations of product lifetime and factory defects known or unknown. Here we don't need to purchase the mostly "forced" upon consumers of "extended warranties" as they are mostly money for an Americanized system, hence a rip off here to the unlearned.

            OTOH, you most likely pay more upfront to cover the expected warranty claims due to NZ law. The costs are borne by all purchasers since Apple isn’t doing repairs for free; they just collect their money upfront. If fewer repairs are needed than planned it’s extra money for them; in the case of higher costs they eat them.

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          In the UK having a third party repair your phone does not affect the warranty unless the subsequent failure is due to that repair work.

          If it were any other way then pretty much anything would void your warranty. Someone dinged your car and you got the paint touched up? Warranty void.

      • Because people NEVER move...
        • Why does that matter for a verification? Your name and address are a matter of public record for most people unless you actively go out of your way to hide it.

          • And if I forget to notify Apple that I moved? I no longer can get service from a repair shop because the address on my driver's license does not match the one in my Apple account?
      • What's not legitimate about selling parts on ebay?

        • What I meant was shops like this claiming to Apple to do repairs, they get the parts for free, then they turn around and sell the unused parts on eBay.

          That's basically what Louis Rossman wants to do - he wants Apple to supply him with any parts he needs for free or cheap so he can make a profit on the sale and repair.

    • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

      I can think of a few reasons for this.

      1) Apple wants to maintain competent repair shops. If they're going to repair Apple stuff, they will be competent at doing so. This includes technicians who are trained and have the tools and all that.

      2) Apple wants to ensure consistency - so if you're going to repair Apple's stuff, you're going to be forced to use Apple's genuine parts. Even if it's out of warranty, you can't offer the customer a cheaper third party alternative part instead.

      3) Apple has a right to audi

  • by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @04:04PM (#59699196)
    I'm sick of living in the free world because I don't feel very free.
  • Simple -- if you leave the repair program, change the holding company that owns the shop. A new LLC won't be liable to a contract with Apple "allowing" for inspections for five more years. If an Apple rep still tries to push their way in, castle doctrine applies...
    • Simple -- if you leave the repair program, change the holding company that owns the shop. A new LLC won't be liable to a contract with Apple "allowing" for inspections for five more years. If an Apple rep still tries to push their way in, castle doctrine applies...

      Changing holding companies to get out of contracts is generally frowned upon by courts.

      • So is indentured servitude.

      • Closing your business and starting a different one is perfectly legal. So's the castle law in some states ... :D
        • Closing your business and starting a different one is perfectly legal.

          Sure it is, but closing a business and then opening a similar one to escape contractual obligations, while not illegal, doesn't generally get you out of those obligations.

          • It does when said contractual obligations are fucking outrageous.

            • It does when said contractual obligations are fucking outrageous.

              True, but that’s a court’s call; and a court is likely to take a dim view of changing the LLC just to get out of a contract. Especially since the new company is still at the same location, using the same equipment and inventory, paying rent to the same landlord, etc.

  • No wonder Louis Rossman wanted nothing to do with joining this program.
  • A shop can no longer insist on name, address, etc, before they sell you something. They can only do it if it is necessary for the sale; just because Apple wants it I doubt that this would be deemed necessary. All thanks to the GDPR.

  • Help Louis Rossmann (Score:3, Informative)

    by kennycoder ( 788223 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:10PM (#59699366) Homepage
    If you want to do something about this shit that apple is pulling off, help Louis Rossmann (search for him or just check his YouTube channel). He is doing a lot of heavy lifting to fight for the right to repair. Do something, at least inform yourself and spread the word. It's not only Apple that is a problem, but they are an unfortunate role model.
  • Fuck Apple (Score:3, Interesting)

    by AndyKron ( 937105 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @05:24PM (#59699442)
    Fuck Apple
  • by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Thursday February 06, 2020 @06:00PM (#59699598) Journal

    Really, who didn't see this coming? Raise your hand....anyone?

    "Sure, you can repair our stuff as long as you meet this 500-page list of nutball shit and also give us the right to fuck your wives, daughters, and infants, or pimp them out as we see fit."

  • No Apple fan boys here, just a few trolls...? Oh Slashdot, how you disappoint me.

    l never got how anyone could be fan of Apple or any other large corporation. Sure, when you have shares... Or when you're rooting for the underdog. But this story shows the true face of the dominating corporation that Apple is. They have no need for fans. So stop being that.

  • Do people continue to allow Apple to do this type of stuff. Why don't you just stop using Apple products? Let your money walking away from them tell them you won't allow this type of stuff. Their products are not better than other stuff out there. Their prices for stuff are insanely high. Why do you insist on buying their crap stuff?

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