Huawei Founder Says He Would Oppose Chinese Retaliation Against Apple (reuters.com) 124
Huawei's founder and Chief Executive Ren Zhengfei told Bloomberg that retaliation by Beijing against Apple was unlikely and that he would oppose any such move from China against the iPhone maker. From a report: When asked about calls from some in China to retaliate against Apple, Ren said that he would "protest" against any such step if it were to be taken by Beijing. "That (Chinese retaliation against Apple) will not happen first of all and second of all, if that happens, I'll be the first to protest," Ren said. "Apple is my teacher, it's in the lead. As a student, why go against my teacher? Never."
The best retaliation (Score:1)
Replace all the dependencies. Sell the replacements as alternatives.
It may take a national effort to achieve this just because US companies are so far ahead in many fields, but bridging the gap will be worth the effort.
Re: The best retaliation (Score:1)
https://www.scmp.com/business/companies/article/2177290/chinese-huawei-supplier-will-punish-staff-buying-apple-iphone
The thing is China needs access to western markets and companies so that it can more easily steal its IP. China might not know this but Chinese companies do.....
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Why would China "steal" the Internet Protocol, it has been public for so many years.
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Never heard of Intelligent Property, who is she and what is her proper pronoun?
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Sure there is. If you put the time and effort into making something original then you have the right to own it and profit from it.
I think there are certainly some stupid laws that go along with it but saying there's "no such thing" is crazy.
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You cannot "own" something that is intangible. You can keep it a secret, or patent it for a legal, but limited monopoly.
Either way it is not "property" and you don't "own" it.
Rule of Two (Score:3, Insightful)
Isnâ(TM)t the apprentice attacking the master part of the Rule of Two for Sith Lords?
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Re:Rule of Two (Score:5, Interesting)
They make Apple phones in China it would be stupid to attack it, I mean seriously, the lack of respect for the Intelligence of the Government of China is just childishly immature.
That attack vector is obvious, Google and M$. The easiest and most public way, is for Huawei to produce Huawei Linux and put it on all Huawei devices and the Government of China to follow up and make Linux (not just the Huawei Linux distribution but other companies Linux distributions), compulsory for national security reason. As the US government actively controls what update you get for Windows coming out of the US Ally or not and that is a reality. Along with that of course Huawei Libre Office, again an attack on M$ and again compulsory on all Government computers, again for national security reasons.
Going Linux makes much more sense than a completely unknown OS which can be readily targeted with negative marketing, open source makes it a much easier sell and Linux is a known brand, so it makes market access so much better, especially marketing outside of the USA, litterally every other country in the world would be economically and more secure running Huawie Linux than M$ Windows anal probe 10.
Google of course is a given first company to stand up and be counted for attacking China, so for no other reason than FUCK google and with social media scoring system in place, yeah using Google for anything will fuck it up, go ahead user Gmail in China, I dare you, it is just the way it is.
Apple definitely not in the firing line but M$ and Google most definitely are and NOTHING, the US government does now will stop that, NOTHING. That is a done deal delivered by Trump to the board of M$ and Google, surprise, surprise, surprise. How much damage will Linux do to M$ when pushed out by a Major Global tech company, pushing FOSS in the consumer market place, a whole damn lot. Google will simply lose the China market (chrome and android) and maybe have a few employees arrested for espionage (which they undoubtedly do, where did they work before google and google are totally in bed with the corporate Government of the USA, so a given that some are agents of the US government, they simply could not resist the temptation).
The government will never forgive that attack on Huawei that moron Trump made them lose face, there must be payback, it is an absolute must given the nature of the Government of China and Chinese society and the obvious targets are M$ and Google and it will hurt and hurt a whole damn lot, no coming back from it, done deal (take some years but it will be full on).
Re: Rule of Two (Score:3)
So to get back at President Trump, the Chinese government will attack companies that are the President's political enemies?
I don't know how he does it, but Trump just keeps on winning.
Re: Rule of Two (Score:4, Insightful)
"Trump keeps on winning"? Okay, I give up, what has he won? The tax giveaway that saddles the U.S. with yearly deficits of $1 Trillion? Letting loose the dogs of bigotry? Rolling back environmental protections so we can all share the pollution? Declaring a war on science because, y'know, it is just another reality TV show? Starting a trade war he has no way of winning no matter how much he chants it is easy to win? Alienating the U.S. Allies so that they no longer trust the U.S.? Making the U.S. morally bankrupt by treating immigrants as Nazi war sympathizers? Claiming untold amounts of voter cheating when being Putin's bitch? Treating that scum little Kimmy like he was a Mensch? Acting like a 5 year old claiming he cannot work with Democrats for doing their oversight job of the Executive Branch because he resents adult supervision.
Wow, the man's winning left and right.
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>Okay, I give up, what has he won?
The Presidency. And at this rate he's going to win it again. This is ignoring all the other things he won, like being born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
>Rolling back environmental protections so we can all share the pollution?
Just to be clear, if we can't stop China/India from polluting, it really doesn't matter what we do. Blaming Trump for pollution is a TDS move, along with other global problems.
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Letting loose the dogs of bigotry?
Bigotry: obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot (from Webster, emphasis mine).
Do you not see that identity politics is also a form of bigotry and predates the president? The chutzpah of blaming the president for 'letting loose the dogs of bigotry' is incredible when people get flak for merely saying "it's OK to be white". I'd love to see a stop to identity politics, let me know when someone is campaigning on making thinks better for all Americ
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Identity politics is a way of making people think that you're going to help them, specifically, and there's an implication that you will be helping them more than others. i.e.: Favoritism. But it's not bigotry, though those two things do often go han
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This was notable during McCain's run in 2008: he sold himself as a straight-talker, and when got to Michigan in the primaries he was honest with the people there about the prospect of c
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Re: Rule of Two (Score:2)
"he was honest with the people there about the prospect of car manufacturing jobs coming back. (They weren't, and he said that.)"
You mean he was honest that he was planning to continue the INTENTIONAL PUBLIC POLICY that decimated the American industrial base.
"He lost Michigan very badly"
As rightly he deserved to lose it.
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"Trump keeps on winning"? Okay, I give up, what has he won?
He's accomplished a whole lot. All of it is for special interest groups or for Russia, though, not for America. He's managed to get himself hundreds of millions of dollars by taking golf vacations to Mar-a-Lago. He's managed to stay out of prison thus far. I'd say that Trump has been quite successful on behalf of his actual constituents, and also for himself.
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"Trump keeps on winning"? Okay, I give up, what has he won?
He's accomplished a whole lot. All of it is for special interest groups or for Russia, though, not for America. He's managed to get himself hundreds of millions of dollars by taking golf vacations to Mar-a-Lago. He's managed to stay out of prison thus far. I'd say that Trump has been quite successful on behalf of his actual constituents, and also for himself.
Don't forget his big tax cut for the wealthy, with special bonus goodies for real estate developers.
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Tell me, Prince Kropotkin, what nation in your opinion is not morally bankrupt?
I hope they retaliate against Apple (Score:1)
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It would hit their bottom line some, but you are correct. They could lose 8-10% margin on their hardware and still not have to worry about paying for lunch tomorrow. Hell, charge 10% more for em, obviously people are willing to pay whatever for something that says Apple.
Re: I hope they retaliate against Apple (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple provides plenty of US jobs... far more than they used to as a matter of fact.
They're a public company. So you can look up their 10-K filings with the SEC over the years. And employee count... inclusive of internal manufacturing, but not inclusive of outsourced manufacturing... is part of that 10-K headcount. So you can see the dramatic difference between 1996, when Steve Jobs returned and Apple did their own manufacturing, and now, when the 10-K numbers do NOT include the Foxconn workers to whom assembly is outsourced.
Alternately, you could just drive down 280 to Cupertino and count the Apple logos on the buildings. The headcount just at their HQ has been growing dramatically and shows no sign of slowing. And it's especially evident if you've lived in the area for a while, or if you visited Cupertino in the '90s and remember what it was like then. They didn't shut own their other buildings when they built the spaceship. They're using the space to make room for even more new hires.
Honestly, I just don't get the obsession over where the final (and mind-numbingly tedious) assembly work is done. The good jobs (And there are plenty.) are mostly right here in the states.
Re: I hope they retaliate against Apple (Score:2)
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Apple provides more jobs, indirectly, in China...
They also sell more iPhones there. China is Apple's biggest market.
Global companies operate globally. Get over it.
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And that's why Huawei doesn't want to see Apple banned in China. If they can beat Apple in China they win, if Apple gets banned they are denied that opportunity to prove their worth.
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If they can beat Apple in China they win, if Apple gets banned they are denied that opportunity to prove their worth.
That's how a free market would work. There are no free markets. Apple failing and Huawei succeeding would prove nothing.
Why the final assembly location matters? (Score:2)
I think the reason you see the obsession over where final assembly occurs is primarily a realization that not everyone has the intelligence, drive or mental capacity to work in one of those Apple logo buildings, doing some kind of engineering, design or development work -- or even just the day to day Finance or other office work.
I mean, plenty of people in America have those types of jobs now -- but they're not usually the ones struggling to get by and complaining endlessly about it.
You've got a huge number
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You think it's all because the dumb jocks from high school don't want the geeks saying "I told you so" when they played football instead of studying?
I think it's because people have no conception of what an outsourced job is really like. Just like they have no conception of what all those illegal immigrants do.
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>> Honestly, I just don't get the obsession over where the final (and mind-numbingly tedious) assembly work is done.
Here is an explanation, since you have sort of asked the question: When the final assembly work is done in another country like China, we must inherently export the tech knowledge for such assembly. Thus, the US are giving away technology researched and developed with US money and investments (in addition to moving manufacturing jobs overseas). Good for China, good for American companies
Can they even make them? (Score:1)
Screens come from Samsung across the border in Vietnam, batteries are made by Panasonic (?) in their China factory, their Bionic processor is made by TSMC in Taiwan.
Apart from the geographic delays, is there even the available assembly workforce to make them in the US?
China shouldn't take it out on Apple, division is the Trump strategy, whether its setting Florida against Californians or US against China, its a division strategy.
Apple sell most of their product worldwide, those products are made in China, s
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It isn't only about the cost. China has legions of engineers and a supply system that America cannot match and couldn't build the iPhones with here. Admittedly, I don't think much of their engineers, but they can bang out basic parts designs quickly, and their supply system is large enough to supply the quantities Apple needs.
The U.S. doesn't have that engineering or supply chain, Apple isn't big enough to cause it to develop.
Say, wasn't there another Huawei story... (Score:3, Informative)
...that just got memory-holed by the site today? What's up with that?
Let me reiterate: Huawei has been a nasty company for a long time [networkworld.com] and the Chinese steal American technology as a deliberate strategy [battleswarmblog.com] left and right.
STRCMP.C (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeh, CISCO MBA man clearly didn't realize that STRCMP is in Libc, the standard C library, and its source is the GNU archive. So both compiled against the standard library and then lo-and-behold the code has a STRCMP in it (and STRCPY and every other GNU Libc function) and those code are similar, all bar any formatting done in an editor.
https://code.woboq.org/userspace/glibc/string/strcmp.c.html
So CISCO assert that Huawei had copied STRCMP.
https://blogs.cisco.com/news/huawei-and-ciscos-source-code-correcting-the-record
"From a section entitled Findings: “The nearly identical STRCMP routines are beyond coincidence. The Huawei [CODE NAME REDACTED]routine was copied from the strcmp routine in Cisco strcmp.c file.”"
Let me guess Cisco, your strcmp.c looks awfully like this?.... :
int
STRCMP (const char *p1, const char *p2)
{
const unsigned char *s1 = (const unsigned char *) p1;
const unsigned char *s2 = (const unsigned char *) p2;
unsigned char c1, c2;
do
{
c1 = (unsigned char) *s1++;
c2 = (unsigned char) *s2++;
if (c1 == '\0')
return c1 - c2;
}
while (c1 == c2);
return c1 - c2;
}
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To be honest it reminded me of the SCO lawsuit.
Claiming copyright infringement because the other side has similar interface headers or standard library functions. No actual application code.
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But we are large American corporation. All your strcmp are belonging to us. Clearly a bunch of nerds put that code on the Internet for us to use for free and we built it into our product meaning it's now ours. Then these Chinese criminals stole it from us.
Re: Say, wasn't there another Huawei story... (Score:2)
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The WSJ had an article this past weekend about all the dirty tricks Huawei has pulled in the past. However, Trump's hamhanded methods of rampaging like a 12 year who doesn't get to watch his favorite TV show isn't the way to fix the problem. And he'd have gotten much more support from the U.S. Allies....you remember those, the ones he's already alienated so much they will never trust him further than they can spit a two-headed rat.
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It's interesting (and sad) watching Slashdot go from Stallman zealots to American nationalists. They say age inevitably turns rebels into the establishment.
Huawei doth protest too much methinks (Score:2)
Uh yeah so this probably means Chinese Apple tariffs and perhaps other measures are on their way and someone in the government recently warned Huawei. Fair enough right? Can't blame them. Turnabout is fair play. The US government just executed Huawei. The real question is how much can China hurt Apple. [gets popcorn]
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And Google. They'll probably toss in Samsung too, because Korean.
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Korea hasn't started a trade war with them. So that probably wouldn't make much sense. Tariffs on Apple phones would be fair though. Hell it's China so they could even ban them entirely. Rich Chinese would miss out on a status symbol that screams "I am Rich! I am Rich!" but everyone else could just buy Samsung or LG. Apple isn't very popular in Asia anyway. So most people would not even notice if iPhones were banned.
Re: Huawei doth protest too much methinks (Score:2)
Korea and China are ancient enemies, for millennia before the US existed.
Ironically, Foxconn is a Taiwanese company. THAT must be a complicated relationship.
That's cute... (Score:2)
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First I'll remind you that Trump did not institute the NSA spying program, that was Obama. Although that said it's disappointing that he hasn't shut it down, but then again even as the president of the United States he has limited power to kill such programs without Congressional approval. And beyond that, the ban on Huawei equipment doesn't extended to the private sector unless their involved with government approved contracts.
But hey, who have time with a well thought out commentary about this situation
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The only reason he hasn't tried to shut down the NSA entirely is because he's scared of what they have on him.
Ren Zhengfei: Mouthpiece of Beijing (Score:2)
In the interview [bloomberg.com] with Bloomberg Television, Ren Zhengfei stated, "I'll be the first to protest [any attempt by Beijing to retaliate against Apple Inc.]".
We should not be fooled by his "bold" comment against the Chinese government.
Ren is not an ordinary Chinese citizen. Ren has close ties to Beijing. According to a report [theguardian.com] by The Guardian, "[Ren Zhengfei] has long had ties with both the People's Liberation Army, where he served as an engineer, and the [Chinese] Communist party."
Prior to the interview with B
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Of course he has. So does Apple's CEO. The Chinese Communist Party typically "invites" all major CEOs in China to join the Party. Would you refuse if you were asked for?
As for he previously being in the Chinese People's Liberation Army it's not like there aren't similar companies founded by veterans in the US either. GoDaddy being one.
Nice Apple you got there, it'd be a shame if (Score:3)
"Nice Apple you got there, it'd be a shame if something happened to it", is what he's really saying. That said, fuck Apple. If you're going to charge $1K+ for a phone, might as well make it in Oklahoma or something. And yeah, I know, shit's tough, people need to be trained, etc etc, but you gotta start somewhere.
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Ritalin could solve the issue
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Everyone pretty much shares the same supply chain, but it's pretty well internationalized. Foxconn for example has plants on every continent except Australia and Antarctica.
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Foxconn does supply chain and logistics. http://www.foxconnnwe.com/port... [foxconnnwe.com]
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Forget training, their entire supply chain is Chinese, including entire factory setups. If China cuts the cord on them, they are done for with device manufacturing for years.
It's not clear that China can cut the cord on Apple without causing a bigger problem for themselves. It's not like electronic components can only be produced in China. There would be years of stopped production, as you say, but the response would be for more factories to be spun up in other nations. It might, for example, be what finally gets major investment in manufacturing in African nations.
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That's just being smart (Score:2)
Re: Zionism (Score:1)