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Safari's 'Siri Suggested' Search Results Highlighted Conspiracy Theories, Fake News (buzzfeednews.com) 120

An anonymous reader quotes a report from BuzzFeed News: Apple's Safari, one of the internet's most popular web browsers, has been surfacing debunked conspiracies, shock videos, and false information via its "Siri Suggested Websites" feature. Such results raise questions about the company's ability to monitor for low-quality information, and provide another example of the problems platforms run into when relying on algorithms to police the internet. As of yesterday, if you typed "Pizzagate" into Apple's Safari, the browser's "Siri Suggested Website" prominently offered users a link to a YouTube video with the title "PIZZAGATE, BIGGEST SCANDAL EVER!!!" by conspiracy theorist David Seaman (the video doesn't play, since Seaman's channel was taken down for violating YouTube's terms of service). The search results appeared on multiple versions of Safari. Apple removed all examples of the questionable Siri Suggested sites provided to it by BuzzFeed News.

[W]hen BuzzFeed News entered incomplete search terms that might suggest contentious or conspiratorial topics (as shown below), the search algorithms directed us toward low-quality websites, message boards, or YouTube conspiracy videos rather than reliable information or debunks about those topics. Meanwhile, Google does not feature such unreliable pages in its top search results. Those suggested results matter since Safari is one of the internet's most popular web browsers -- some estimates suggest it has captured over 10% of the browser market share.
The poor suggestions may be a result of a "data void," which is "what happens when a term doesn't have 'natural informative results' and manipulators seize upon it," reports BuzzFeed. "Many of the sites surfaced by the Siri Suggested feature came from conspiracy or junk sites hastily assembled to fill that void."

In a statement, Apple said: "Siri Suggested Websites come from content on the web and we provide curation to help avoid inappropriate sites. We also remove any inappropriate suggestions whenever we become aware of them, as we have with these. We will continue to work to provide high-quality results and users can email results they feel are inappropriate to applebot@apple.com."
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Safari's 'Siri Suggested' Search Results Highlighted Conspiracy Theories, Fake News

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  • not really.... (Score:1, Flamebait)

    3.38% of browser market share doesn't seem like "one of the internet's most popular web browser"...
    • Re:not really.... (Score:5, Informative)

      by lactose99 ( 71132 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @06:12PM (#57375708)

      3.38% wouldn't seem to cover the large volume of iPhones currently active, which also run Safari. http://gs.statcounter.com/brow... [statcounter.com] lists it as #2 with ~15% share.

      • maybe cause Apple forces its users to use safari by default and won't let any other browser be set to default on iphones, wouldn't shock me if they do the same in their desktop OS as well.
        • by Merk42 ( 1906718 )
          Also, even if you do install Chrome, Firefox, etc., you're still stuck using Safari's Webkit rendering engine.
        • maybe cause Apple forces its users to use safari by default and won't let any other browser be set to default on iphones, wouldn't shock me if they do the same in their desktop OS as well.

          Bullshit. It "forces" browsers on iOS to use WebKit as their engine. They still show up as not-Safari at the various browser-share stats.

  • I don't understand (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @06:17PM (#57375736)

    Why it's Apple's job or any other company's job to monitor links to content outside their control?

    Let ***ME*** decide if the links are valuable or not.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Why it's Apple's job or any other company's job to monitor links to content outside their control?

      It isn't. This is about links they provide. The content may not be, but the suggestions are perfectly within their control. They are not being asked to change the content, only to change their suggestions.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Because they are not just providing those links, they are offering them up as suggested answers.

      Not just in Safari either, if you ask Siri something it will generally get the suggested web result and read it to you.

      • Because they are not just providing those links, they are offering them up as suggested answers.

        And how is showing a link to the original article NOT answering a question about what Pizzagate was? Someone asked for that information, and Apple thinks they need to sanitize the answer to be only the the "correct" one.

        If I ask for the pizzagate story, give me a link to the pizzagate story, not other people's interpretations and spins on it.

        Fun fact: someone who claimed to be one of the inventors of Siri was on Penn and Teller's Fool Us, doing an absolutely lame, well known card trick. P&T fell all

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          The original link doesn't explain what pizzagate is. It gives you a conspiracy theory as if it was fact.

          • The original link doesn't explain what pizzagate is.

            The original link IS pizzagate. Isn't it the best source to determine what the pizzagate conspiracy actually is, instead of being shown only everyone else's interpretation and spin on it?

            It gives you a conspiracy theory as if it was fact.

            No, it does not. It does not say "this material at the end of this link is a fact". It simply provided the link to the original material. AND it provided links to everyone else explaining why it wasn't true.

            So, answer the question. If I ask for the pizzagate conspiracy message, why should it NOT show me a link to that mes

            • The original link doesn't explain what pizzagate is.

              The original link IS pizzagate. Isn't it the best source to determine what the pizzagate conspiracy actually is, instead of being shown only everyone else's interpretation and spin on it?

              Wrong. The "real" Pizzagate (or at least the name) came from 4chan, the link Siri suggested was to a YouTube video - and thus is just "somebody else's interpretation and spin on it".

    • by mjwx ( 966435 )

      Why it's Apple's job or any other company's job to monitor links to content outside their control?

      Let ***ME*** decide if the links are valuable or not.

      It is there responsibility to monitor the content of the links they're suggesting to people.

      Its also in their best interest as bad experiences lead to customers leaving.

  • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @06:20PM (#57375750) Journal

    If I type "Pizzagate" it's because I want to find information about that topic (both against and for the conspiracy).
      Logically Safari (and Bing and Google) should show me what's available, rather than make it invisible.

    I want to see ALL the possible websites, not just the ones Apple of Microsoft or Google thinks is "safe" for my consumption.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      https://imgur.com/gallery/7YVR8

    • Welcome to current_year my friend. You have been reported to the thought police for wrong think.

      • by commodore64_love ( 1445365 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @07:12PM (#57376068) Journal

        LOL! It's the new McCarthyism, and ironically it was brought by the people in Northern California and Hollywood (who had been victims of McCarthy's blacklisting).

        • Or, rather, have been screeching about being persecuted for it for 60 years. Never mind that, in fact, the government *actually was infested with communist operatives*, and never mind that neo-McCarthyism with one nutty "Russians own Trump!" conspiracy after another is the official platform of the Democratic party.

    • I want to see ALL the possible websites, not just the ones Apple of Microsoft or Google thinks is "safe" for my consumption.

      Then you should start your own search engine, not just use the one Apple, Microsoft or Google provides for you.

    • Why would you want to read pro pizzagate shit? Its an objectively wrong theory that has been fundamentally debunked. How is putting that shit up on the search ratings benefiting anyone?

      • Why would you want to read pro pizzagate shit?

        To see, for myself, what was said. Why do you trust the media's depiction of what you can so easily go look at yourself? Do you think the media is an unbiased, complete reporter of the news and provider of information?

        Would you like a recent demonstration of how good our media is? Look in a recent /. submission about using WiFi routers to count the number of people in the room. The media report of this achievement describes a technically impossible method and provides no link to the actual scientific pape

        • Why would you want to read pro pizzagate shit?

          To see, for myself, what was said. Why do you trust the media's depiction of what you can so easily go look at yourself? Do you think the media is an unbiased, complete reporter of the news and provider of information?

          Problem is, every single "the truth about an actual, real conspiracy" bit by a single person is at least as biased than anything even on FOX News or MSNBC. Because its literally one guy looking only for "facts" that support his theory, and ignoring any actual, very obvious facts that don't. Like the fact that the pizza place where the child slave trading took place in the basement never had a basement. And the only thing that got changed by QAnon was dropping anything that could be checked.

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Maybe you want that, but I expect the majority of people searching for "pizzagate" are looking for an overview and some initial info, rather than doing an in-depth study. So the top results, and certainly the suggested answers, should at least be somewhat truthful and accurate.

      In the past we trusted other humans to do this. Editors to check information in books, librarians to remove old outdated and potentially dangerous information (don't forget that this conspiracy theory lead to an armed man entering tha

      • and certainly the suggested answers, should at least be somewhat truthful and accurate.

        Historical truth is controlled by the people who control the press. The internet was supposed to make that control HARDER, not easier.

        It's really handy, you can get quick answers to questions... As long as the answers are reliable.

        And Bing/Siri/Google get to decide for us what is reliable, on a microsecond by microsecond basis. I will point out that this is about six orders of magnitude faster than any Ministry of Truth could possibly do it, and less transparent and obvious.

        Imagine asking for a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion because you want to see for yourself the nonsense it contains,

  • All the techies and gurus and talking heads are wringing their hands about runaway AI in weapons and the implications of them spinning out of control but are full speed ahead on board with reasons why we should create this overarching AI Deity to monitor and control speech across entire nations and the planet from on high. I mean, technology that could be repurposed to detect, censor, and extract data about dissidents from any form of expression instantaneously on global scales being somewhere in the neighb
  • by Uberbah ( 647458 ) on Tuesday September 25, 2018 @07:02PM (#57376020)

    Such results raise questions about the company's ability to monitor for low-quality information, and provide another example of the problems platforms run into when relying on algorithms to police the internet.

    When did (some) westerners turn into wilting violets? Do they think Batboy is a real person every time they buy groceries and see a tabloid at checkout? If these assholes had been pushing this censorship crap in 2002, anyone questioning the march to invade Iraq would have been slandered as a conspiracy theorist and censored*.

    Then there's the fact that the people calling for said censorship can easily be hoist on their own petard, as happened to ThinkProgress [medium.com] after they cheered for Alex Jones being deplatformed. The Weekly Standard picked a nit with an article they wrote on Trump's nominee for SCOTUS, and so FFB throttled them. Because FFB trusted a science-denying, Iraq war loving Bill Kristol rag to do "fact checking".

    *To those who say it's not censorship if the government isn't involved, I'll refer you to the Congressional hearings where senators demanding big tech companies do something about "fake news", and the fact that FFB is relying on the Atlantic Council to police their platform - an organization that receives direct funding [thinktankwatch.com] from the US military.

    • What is FFB?

    • They think that when their oppression apparatus is completed and ready to oppress (convert/enlighten/bring-to-their-side) the masses that they will be the ones pulling the strings - same way Trump is able to piss them off to no end by using the insane policies implemented by his predecessors against them, the only real difference here is that when these tools go into force pretty much everyone gets rounded up into FEMA camps.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Not suggesting fake news and conspiracy theories to the user is not censorship. The suggestion itself is speech and this is a request to Apple to stop accidentally lying to users. Presumably Apple cares about not lying to people.

      And as for wilting violets? I'd prefer to ask Apple to be more careful, than rely on people spotting fake news and conspiracies.

      • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

        Not suggesting fake news and conspiracy theories to the user is not censorship.

        Suppressing speech you don't like from search results - how is this not censorship again? And how many times has today's "conspiracy theory" morphed into tomorrow's "oh that's old news move along". You know, shit like the NSA trying to wiretap the entire planet or spying on the personal phones of allied heads of state.

        The suggestion itself is speech and this is a request to Apple to stop accidentally lying to users.

        So Apple sho

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          Not sure I can explain this any more simply. Search results are not a the output of a database query. They are not neutral to start with. The reason Google is so successful and everyone else copies them is that they have a sophisticated algorithm producing their search results to give the user what they want. Not a "neutral" list or simple popularity ranked list, but a carefully selected batch of links using reputation as a major factor and filtering out most of the fake news and other nonsense.

          If you want

          • by Uberbah ( 647458 )

            Not sure I can explain this any more simply. Search results are not a the output of a database query. They are not neutral to start with.

            Yeah, which are based on a database pull of popular searches or what the algorithm thinks will be popular. As totally opposed to instant search suggestions, which are based on a database pull of popular searches and what the (same) algorithm thinks will be popular. Not Alex Jones deciding what comes up first in search results.

            I mean presumably you don't use any spam fil

  • Is the search provider providing bullshit results because they didn't like the bullshit generated by others.
  • Siri delivers accurate results. How original, and how dangerous.

  • +1 Funny

    Complete stupidity. Who writes this shit. I don't even know any Mac users who use that POS.

    Safari? That's that thing you use to download a real browser, just like Edge on Windows.

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