Apple CEO Says He Has Urged Trump To Address Legal Status of Immigrants; Also Told Him That Tariffs Are Wrong Approach To China (bloomberg.com) 381
Apple chief executive Tim Cook told Bloomberg Television that he has criticized Donald Trump's approach to trade with China in a recent White House meeting, while also urging the president to address the legal status of immigrants known as Dreamers. From the interview: Cook said his message to Trump focused on the importance of trade and how cooperation between two countries can boost the economy more than nations acting alone. Cook met with Trump in the Oval Office in late April amid a brewing trade war between the U.S. and China. The Trump administration instituted 25 percent tariffs on at least $50 billion worth of products from China, sparking retaliation. In the interview on "The David Rubenstein Show: Peer-to-Peer Conversations," Cook acknowledged that previous trade policies were flawed but said Trump's move is also problematic. "It's true, undoubtedly true, that not everyone has been advantaged from that -- in either country -- and we've got to work on that," Cook said. "But I felt that tariffs were not the right approach there, and I showed him some more analytical kinds of things to demonstrate why."
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I voted for Tim Cook for president and am glad his policies will now be implemented. /sarcasm
WTF? Why would I give a crap about what Cook thinks needs to be done? I voted Trump in because Trump was going to do things I wanted. If Tim wanted his policies to be put into place, perhaps he should have run instead. What is it with liberals that don't run, or can't win elections thinking their ideas should be put into place even if the majority of citizens showed they disagree with them. You all like to say the GOP needs to stay out of my bedroom, well the DNC needs to stay out of my government until they can win an election without having the FBI/CIA/NSA all spying on opposition campaigns attempting to throw the election their way illegally.
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What world do you live in? In ours it doesn't matter who you vote for but how much money you stuff in his ass.
Whores don't suck you for nice words or cheering for them, they suck you for greenbacks.
Why indeed. (Score:5, Insightful)
How about because he is the CEO of one of America's largest and most successful companies? I suppose you'd rather take economic advice from a senile reality-show host and real estate con-man who had to declare bankruptcy multiple times.
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Seriously, think about the words you just fucking typed, there. Do you think Cheng would want tariffs? Or do you think that neither Cheng nor Cook want the tariffs, so listening to one is, for all intents and purposes, the same as listening to the other? Where's your head at and how do you deal with the smell?
Re:Why indeed. (Score:5, Insightful)
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How about because he is the CEO of one of America's largest and most successful companies? I suppose you'd rather take economic advice from a senile reality-show host and real estate con-man who had to declare bankruptcy multiple times.
Is 'neither' an option?
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How about because he is the CEO of one of America's largest and most successful companies?
He didn't make Apple successful, and Apple has clearly lost any pretense of direction under his leadership. That won't actually harm them for ages because they have all the money they need for the foreseeable future, but it's not clear that he has anything insightful to say about anything.
Re:Why indeed. (Score:4, Informative)
You forget that Apple was on the verge of bankruptcy some years ago and only survived because M$ bailed them out?
How long will this meme kick around the internet?
It is ENTIRELY incorrect.
Here's the REAL story:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/... [zdnet.com]
Wrong (Score:5, Informative)
https://thenextweb.com/apple/2... [thenextweb.com]
Steve Jobs himself said they were 90 days from bankruptcy.
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https://thenextweb.com/apple/2... [thenextweb.com]
Steve Jobs himself said they were 90 days from bankruptcy.
Perhaps a little self-aggrandizement?
I have also heard at other times that, even in their darkest hour, Apple had enough cash-reserves to buy Compaq Computer Corp. outright.
So, who really knows?
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I have also heard at other times that, even in their darkest hour, Apple had enough cash-reserves to buy Compaq Computer Corp. outright.
HP bought Compaq for $25 billion... in stock... in HP. At a time when they were contracting in every market... Remember when HP had their own architecture? Remember when HP was a trusted name in PCs? Remember when you wouldn't even think about buying a printer from anyone else, before they went DRM-crazy? Pepperidge Farms remembers. That was back when you had to hand-crank your ice cream.
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I have also heard at other times that, even in their darkest hour, Apple had enough cash-reserves to buy Compaq Computer Corp. outright.
HP bought Compaq for $25 billion... in stock... in HP. At a time when they were contracting in every market... Remember when HP had their own architecture? Remember when HP was a trusted name in PCs? Remember when you wouldn't even think about buying a printer from anyone else, before they went DRM-crazy? Pepperidge Farms remembers. That was back when you had to hand-crank your ice cream.
I remember ALL of that!
That's why I will NEVER get rid of the HP 4m Printer with a whopping 8k copies on it(!!!!!) that I got for TEN DOLLARS at a Salvation Army store!
Wanna guess how long THAT printer will last at typical "home" duty cycle?
And thanks to Apple's acquisition of CUPS, I didn't even mind when the LJ's PostScript ROM board took a shit. I just started using it as a regular LJ4 (WAAAY faster that way, anyway!)...
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But that doesn't fit the Apple narrative.
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Oh shit! He capitalized some words, so he's gotta be right. Fucking annoying.
Indeed you are.
Why not address the merits of my argument, rather than how closely I have adhered to your personal style manual?
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Do you like what you got?
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I notice you weren't concerned about the _proven_ Russian interference in our political process. Fucking traitor, you and the rest of the trumpsters.
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I'm not concerned about the last _100_years_ of proven Russian interference in our political process.
Because Russia is, economically, about as big as New York City.
I might be concerned if we had a president who took his wife to Lenin's tomb for their honeymoon. But that was Sanders, so no worries.
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Maybe they were plugging away for 100 years, but this time they actually got their puppet installed. I'm definitely concerned that we have a Russian spy occupying the WH, but clearly that is not an issue for you.
The Economy of New York City is nothing to scoff at as it would rank 12th if it were a nation, more than enough to keep the orange lawn gnome in its pocket.
Since Sanders isn't president but does care about US human citizens, I'm not sure why you'd decide that he's some kind of threat to you. Unles
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Your on crack dude. But keep it up.
Four more years!
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You're on crack dude. But keep it up.
Four more years of shit sandwiches for us plebes!
FTFY
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President Trump, say it chump. Get used to it.
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resident drupmft! resident drumptft chump! resident drumpft is a no-class chump!
How's that?
Every day I feel like I woke up in "Back to the Future II", so daily it is like living in bizarro land.
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Enjoy!
I just thank god for the time travellers that turned the election. Too bad we can't do anything to help their dystopian timeline. Shooting Chelsea in this one wouldn't accomplish anything.
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Enjoy?
I'll survive this down period, not sure about the country, and especially the poor country folk who voted for drumpft and are some of the primary victims of his "policies".
Hahaha! You're pretty deranged: you believe in multiple parallel universes. You are also a violent psychopath who would like to shoot an innocent ugly girl for no reason.
Just to clarify, I am no fan of shillary and didn't vote for her and hate what her and the DNC did to Bernie. I voted for Jill Stein. Bernie would have destroye
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Tim Cook is an influential and respected member of the community. He did help create lots of jobs and his decisions had impact on the economy on the order of hundreds of billions of dollars. He has seen and known far more than you or I in the area of tariffs and to a lesser degree immigration, therefore his opinion has far more weight than mine or yours (very likely -- can't say since you posted as AC, you could be Tim Cook).
To a degree, Tim Cook is an elder in the community, so his opinions are worth consi
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The fact you believe there are actually "sides" and that those "two sides" need to cooperate says you've been snowed. It's all one big hodge-podge of power-hungry knob-slobbers that will do anything and everything to retain power. The less outward cooperation they show, the more likely the plebes will stay too riled up to notice we're all being bent over and fucked by those in power.
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Therefore, for the DACA or Dreamers, or anything involving immigration, it is up to CONGRESS to get off their asses and make laws, policies and fix what they can.
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Re:Results (Score:5, Funny)
Removal of healthcare
Only for people who can't afford it.
tax breaks for the better off
It's going to cost DJT a fortune. He said so.
banging porn starts and paying them off
You're supposed to pay porn stars after banging them.
making it so anything negative is fake news
With so much negative DJT coverage, what other explanation is there but it being fake?
the wall
Mexico's paying for it; I don't see what the problem is.
MAGA!
Re: Results (Score:2)
banging porn stars
Banging skanky pornstars, no less. "Unimpressed!"
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Is there really any other kind?
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Nah. We learned from you guys. Anything good that comes we will credit Trump and anything bad well blame on what he inherited from the previous administration.
Heck, this strategy worked for 8 YEARS for Obama
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You really should change where you're getting your news. It's deranging you.
This cuts both ways though (Score:2)
So in 2024, when Trump is on his way out, I hope you will also support the wiretapping and surveillance of the Democratic electoral campaign, because Iâ(TM)m pretty sure foreign powers (not just Russia) will be âoeinterferingâ in that election as well. Shitting your pants yet? Youâ(TM)ve made your bed, now sleep in it.
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Big Crocodile Tears (Score:2)
The FBI et al might have been investigating the links between the Trump campaign and Russia, but the only campaign intentionally attacked was Clinton's. Did you forget that?
You know who is more credible that the collective whole of the DNC, the Clinton campaign, and their sympathizers in the intelligence agencies? It's NSA whistleblower William Benny and his associates at the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, when they say there's no proof the DNC was hacked. [consortiumnews.com]
But sure, pretend the DNC is the problem.
They are the driving force behind this misinformation campaign, and even their namesake is a lie.
Tariffs have been a tool that works (Score:5, Interesting)
Tim Cook, like so many others, does not seem to understand that Trump's not actually implementing most tariffs, he is just using them as a tool - asking fir China to reduce import fees or else he'll implement the tariffs. Because Trump is kind of crazy, the Chinese can't tell if he will or not so they actually back off.
Trump's use of tariffs as a threat is working [fortune.com].
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Exactly! People don't understand the idea of negotiating through strength...
As far as DACA goes, it's never reported ANYWHERE that Trump has repeatedly said he wants Congress to pass a law to address the DACA recipients because Obama's creation of DACA via Executive Order was unconstitutional. He didn't rescind DACA out of malice or hate, he did it because it was essentially an illegal action by his predecessor.
On a side note, it's the Democrats that have blocked any legislative solution on DACA recipients
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Your DACA comment is extremely disingenuous for 2 reasons. First, all his calls for Congress to d
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Tim Cook, like so many others, does not seem to understand that Trump's not actually implementing most tariffs, he is just using them as a tool - asking fir China to reduce import fees or else he'll implement the tariffs. Because Trump is kind of crazy, the Chinese can't tell if he will or not so they actually back off.
Trump's use of tariffs as a threat is working [fortune.com].
He also walked away with a $500M loan from the Chinese government to build a resort in Indonesia. But you’re right, he totally did all of this to reduce China’s import tariffs on US products.
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Yep, it's not a coincidence that Kim Jong Un agreed to meet with the S. Korean President and the U.S. President about a month after he made a personal trip to China, which was interestingly not too very long after Trump had put the pressure on China to do something about NK.
They'll never give Trump any credit for anything, so this whole conversation is pointless. There's a group of people in this country who hate Trump more than they love their own country, and that's sad.
And disclaimer: Trump is a douche,
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Whatever else you might think about Trump, realize this: As a businessman, at the CEO level, he was able to turn about a million bucks of inheritance into several billion - more than a three orders of magnitude gain - by negotiating successful deals.
s/negotiating successful deals/engaging in fraud/ — from the beginning. The initial loans he got from banks were based on his misrepresenting himself as the owner of many of his father's assets.
That he is good at weaseling out of legal trouble is not an asset in a president. What we'd like is one who doesn't get in legal trouble to begin with. One with a history of enriching others, not only enriching himself.
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He used the stick and him "generously" helping ZTE is the carrot, only now the new ZTE will behave - and be grateful to Trump for having been punished!
That's your biased wishful thinking perhaps. He may well backdown because China imposed tariff on American agriculture products, hurting his and Republican's support base.
Apple Doesn't Want China Tariffs to Increase? (Score:5, Insightful)
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You want to tell me an iPhone or a MacBook (Pro) is manufactured by forced child laborers?
And you actually are convinced about that?
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http://www.dw.com/en/foxconn-a... [dw.com]
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne... [telegraph.co.uk]
https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/... [nypost.com]
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The increased cost on their production, due to raw material costs, is equivalent to a rounding error...
So perhaps there's some other angle. Shock.
So it's possibly humanitarian reasons he wants to continue to have his "products manufactured by forced child laborers"?
So what IS the right approach? (Score:3)
When political opponents say that whatever their political rival is doing is the "wrong approach" but neglect to offer a realistic alternative, my ass begins to twitch.
Re:So what IS the right approach? (Score:5, Informative)
Tim Cook probably has self-serving reasons to give this advice ... but still? I'd say the libertarian-minded stance would be the same; don't implement tariffs.
The best alternative isn't a "quick fix" like most politicians are seeking. The long-term, best solution, involves encouraging U.S. based startups and small businesses to develop, and to perhaps a lesser extent, to provide some aid for mid-sized businesses too.
If you impose fees on imported goods but your country doesn't offer enough comparable alternatives of its own that people want to buy instead, you wind up either A) punishing U.S. citizens by cutting off goods they want to buy, or B) causing the country doing the importing to mark up the prices of what they're selling to compensate for the higher taxes on bringing it in, while again ultimately making the American people cover that cost.
Re: So what IS the right approach? (Score:2)
I'd say the libertarian-minded stance would be the same; don't implement tariffs.
Theoretically... and 'all other things being equal,' sure.
Also told him, buy iPhones! (Score:2)
Well then (Score:2)
Well, that's lovely. Nobody voted for Tim Cook to implement his ideas on these things, so his political power to do so is zero.
Unless Dems think that Cook should have lots of political power, because he sold lots of stuff and capitalism is great so that's kinda like people voting.
If so, I await their heads exploding, like a 1960s sci fi robot caught in a contradiction ...
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Unless Dems think that Cook should have lots of political power, because he sold lots of stuff and capitalism is great so that's kinda like people voting.
[The vast majority of] Democrats and Republicans alike will do whatever he wants if he contributes enough to their campaigns. That's what capitalism is all about!
Dreamers (Score:2)
It seems that currently the issue that prevents Dreamers from applying for legal immigration is the question on the immigration forms that requires people to declare if they came to the US illegally in the past and spent time in the US illegally and are subject to 3 or 10 year bans ... Seems the simplest solution is to just update the form and regulations to specify that it only applies to time you were in the US illegally when you were over 18 years old. If you came before you were 18 then you were a chi
Who does he think he is ? (Score:2)
I wish Steve Jobs was still alive (Score:2)
He'd have stayed focussed on creating new interesting products at Apple.
And he definitely wouldn't have used wishy-washy terms like "problematic."
Trump does not have authority to address legal s (Score:5, Informative)
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Actually, he could do a lot with executive orders, Obama acted like a king with them.
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Trump does not have the authority to address the legal status of "Dreamers". Only Congress can do that....something which Trump has asked them to do.
This is quite true, but surely you know the reason why he's doing this. And it's not because it's the right thing to do or he loves the US Constitution or he respects separation of powers or whatever. He knows that Congress is so dysfunctional that it will simply never reach a deal and that Republican members of the House are running for re-election locally on racially charged anti-immigration platforms that play well in the small towns that Republican districts mostly contain and they'll quite simply nev
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Trump does not have the authority to address the legal status of "Dreamers". Only Congress can do that....something which Trump has asked them to do.
Maybe. The courts hadn't ruled on whether DACA was legal or not. I tend to agree that it wasn't legal. But I also think that penalizing people for actions that their parents took while they were under 18 isn't something the courts should uphold either.
If you were an illegal immigrant before you turned 18 then that time spent in the US illegally shouldn't be held against you for the purposes of denying you an opportunity to apply for things like student or other visas like any other immigrant. I don't th
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I agree, tariffs are the wrong approach to China. (Score:4, Interesting)
However China doesn't think that tariffs are the wrong approach to the U.S. Nor do they think intellectual property theft is a problem. In fact the tariffs Trump has levied are still tiny in comparison to the ones China has on us, they just seem bigger (an in raw, no percentages taken into account it does mean more money) due to the huge trade imbalance.
As a libertarian I'm against tariffs.
I'm also against slavery, and to one degree or another China engages in it. I would argue the income tax system is slavery to, so the U.S. engages in it, but it's a matter of degree, many non-libertarians would argue by their measuring sticks that the U.S. does not engage in slavery through income tax but China still enslaves their people by the same measure.
I don't think tariffs are the right approach, but we are playing a game where China has established the way they're playing that game. It's up to us to play with the rules they have established in mind, and our president has chosen to answer in kind, in percentages that are smaller than the ones they've presented against us. I can't fully fault Trump for his approach. My general approach to someone not playing by a rule set I agree with is to take my ball and go home, and I agree that probably isn't the right approach in this case.
Everybody Knows [youtube.com]
Analytical? (Score:3)
"But I felt that tariffs were not the right approach there, and I showed him some more analytical kinds of things to demonstrate why."
Yeah and Trump is just all about being analytical instead of shoot from the hip reactionary. The guy has the attention span shorter than my puppy and has to have pretty pictures in his presentations to hold his attention. Analytical isn't going to convince him of anything. Flattery might...
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"But I felt that tariffs were not the right approach there, and I showed him some more analytical kinds of things to demonstrate why."
Yeah and Trump is just all about being analytical instead of shoot from the hip reactionary. The guy has the attention span shorter than my puppy and has to have pretty pictures in his presentations to hold his attention. Analytical isn't going to convince him of anything. Flattery might...
Lots of billionaire reactionaries eh? Here is a hint, if you don't understand it and the other guy is far more successful than you, perhaps he just knows shit you don't? That would be too easy of a conclusion though and wouldn't feed your ego I guess.
Make CA MX Again (Score:2)
Immigrants? Or illegal aliens? (Score:4, Insightful)
There's a distinct difference.
Coal Miners (Score:2)
The title is wrong. (Score:2)
cook is worried about his bottom line, not nation (Score:2)
But seriously, he is dead wrong about tariffs. China not only manipulates their money against the dollar, but has loads of tariffs against imports, esp. against the west. It is best that we raise tariffs on similar areas. For example, they have LARGE tariffs against cars from the west. We need to raise tariffs on cars and car parts from CHina. And it should ramped up monthly over several years, not just simply be slapped out like he is doing. This way, either
Previous attempts to fix problem with China... (Score:2)
The previous attempts didn't work. Let's see where Trump's plan takes us. I don't like tariffs either. But it's better than doing nothing and watching our economy tank to China.
So What? (Score:2)
A guy that runs a company with billions in the bank from selling music, cellphone apps, tablets and cellphones wouldn't be my go-to source for opinions on immigration and tarrifs.
Tim Cook got his job when Steve Jobs passed - Tim is an executive (a suit, in /. parlance), yet some how he is held up as some sort of 'Gandalf-like' character, his every utterance worthy of being carved in stone.
I don't care about Tim Cook's opinions on immigration, has Cook ever found himself competing against an illegal immigran
News just in (Score:2)
Company that has its super expensive stuff all made in China says tariffs are the wrong approach.
I'm sure he just thinks is bad, not that he is afraid of a 25% tariff on his products.
Pay your taxes hippy (Score:2)
Fuck Off Tim Cook, you tax cheat.
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I resent that. ;)
He's mostly a populist. He'll tell you whatever you want to hear.
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Trump's been saying stuff a LOT of people don't want to hear
Only his most unhinged comments go against what his friends at Fox want to hear.
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Only his most unhinged comments go against what his friends at Fox want to hear.
Or in the case of Fox and Freinds, his incessant rambling was what they didn't want to hear. They almost had to cut him off.
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Re: Did Cook forget Trump is Republican? (Score:2)
Re: Did Cook forget Trump is Republican? (Score:5, Informative)
Did you forget Trump was a major Democrat donor for 35 years?
Did you forget that time Obama said homosexuality was wrong, and that marriage was between a man and a woman?
Did you forget that time Hillary said homosexuality was wrong, and that marriage was between a man and a woman?
Do you remember that time when they all pivoted when it became convenient for polling?
I remember. Quit being a tribalistic cult member, you fucking imbecile.
Re: Did Cook forget Trump is Republican? (Score:2, Informative)
South Park Republicans say (Score:2)
"I 'member."
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You trust someone because you consider him trustworthy.
And not because of his opinion.
Who cares who is marrying whom? It does not affect your life at the slightest.
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The destruction of America???? Are you fucking retarded? Or are you just a dishonest Trump-hating piece of shit? America is running just the same as it always has... so your point is just plain wrong.
You are exactly like those anti-brexiters... crying about the destruction brexit will cause... you know what happened??? FUCK ALL!!!!
Go jerk off to HIllary you SJW cuck.
Re: Did Cook forget Trump is Republican? (Score:4, Insightful)
Except for accelerating destruction of environmental protections, rolling back consumer protections, increasing corporate welfare (and thereby wealth disparity) in the form of the repugnican tax scam, breaking of promises (Iran nuclear agreement) to our allies and others, etc. Yeah, things are going same as always... Really though?
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trump's tax cut is another example of corporate welfare, I know there are others, I went with the one that was uppermost on my mind at the time. I am pretty lazy but definitely not a partisan sheep and I do give a damn. Thanks for attempting to judge me though, perhaps you didn't notice my signature...
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> He will not consider the opinion of someone who's sexual orientation is an abomination to God and nature.
You don't even need to go that far when someone intentionally confuses illegal alien with "immigrant". Although I am not sure what stake the guy really has here beyond "virtue signaling". Silicon Valley is the domain of H1Bs, not people that wade across the Rio Grand.
I personally know guys that have been here (legally) for 20 years that I wouldn't necessarily consider "immigrants".
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Apple chief executive Tim Cook told Bloomberg Television ...
You need to say it on Fox News and/or Hannity if you want a chance for Trump to hear you. Apparently, that's all he watches. (Google it)
Or to put it another way, Cook is speaking to his comforting echo chamber.
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Hopefully my "bestie" is a bit less publically critical of me then the friends you think Trump has
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