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Jony Ive Returns To Apple Design Management Role After Two Years (9to5mac.com) 69

Zac Hall, writing for 9to5Mac: Jony Ive, Apple's chief design officer, is returning to his management role within Apple's design group after handing off managerial duties in 2015. 9to5Mac noted that Ive's design deputies Dye and Haywarth were no longer listed on Apple's leadership page earlier today.
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Jony Ive Returns To Apple Design Management Role After Two Years

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  • by Anonymous Coward
    I'm greatly looking forward to a future full of function-follows-form from the good ol' days!
    • Did Apple ever stop doing that? The current product line is pretty terrible as far as repairability, Ive or not.
      • Do we have a popular product line, that is good on terms of repairability?

        We complain about Apple, but it seems the other major players soon follow suit afterwards. And we once in a while get some company trying to put back the things that Apple takes out, and the product turns out to be a big flop.

        I miss the reparability of the normal beige box PC too... However it wasn't reparability, but the ability to add new hardware, which technologies like USB actually make it very easy today, without having to open

        • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:16PM (#55703699)
          Here's the thing. I've had laptop (both Mac and PC) motherboards fail more than oncde. If I didn't have a very current backup, I could still pop the hard drive or SSD out and retrieve my data with a $5 USB to SATA cable. With Apple, I'd have to beg an Apple store to retrieve my data, pay them if I was out of AppleDontCare, and have no guarantee that they even could. All for a savings of, what, $5? on a connector.
          • Or, you could take ownership and responsibility for your data by doing backups to an external hard drive or could service.

            • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:43PM (#55703831)

              Or, I could have hardware that's not crippled by design. Being able to swap drives also had other advantages to some people -- like being able to insert a "clean" drive when traveling internationally (ever heard of US border data searches?)

              Why sell crippled hardware for want of a connector that costs a buck or two?

              • Thank you. I'm late to this story (work and all) but came here to say essentially the same thing.

                I'm trying to get back into photography and now have my Windows 7 system running nicely. However, once that is gone, what then? I am absolutely not going to that abomination Windows 10, and with Apple not selling a decent PC (not laptop) where the memory isn't soldered in and non-upgradable, or a video card which is 5-6 years old but still sold for the same exorbitant price, that leaves some version of Linux.

                • The âdecent PCâ(TM) youâ(TM)re looking for is the iMac.

                • by lokedhs ( 672255 )
                  If you really want Photoshop, then the best solution for you is probably to get a good Linux laptop, and then have a VM with Windows 7 dedicated to Photoshop. Once Win7 is out of support, you can just remove all network connectivity to the VM and stick with the last version.

                  Or, you could perhaps use Windows 10 in a VM. If all you use it for is Photoshop, then perhaps it could be bearable?

          • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

            Here's the thing. I've had laptop (both Mac and PC) motherboards fail more than oncde. If I didn't have a very current backup, I could still pop the hard drive or SSD out and retrieve my data with a $5 USB to SATA cable. With Apple, I'd have to beg an Apple store to retrieve my data, pay them if I was out of AppleDontCare, and have no guarantee that they even could. All for a savings of, what, $5? on a connector.

            And why wouldn't you have a very current backup? Time Machine backs up your machine hourly these

            • Say I'm traveling (easiest to break a machine) and haven't been on the same network at the Time Capsule for a week.
        • A phone is in your hands on many different surfaces. Think dropping a very expensive remote control, not on carpet. How many beige PC'S have you dropped? I dropped my last phone at least 20 times over 3+ years. The last time on concrete and slid 20ft, the power button broke off and got lost. I bought a new body for it for like $22 from eBay and about 15 minutes of time after watching a YouTube video, it was good as new.
    • Ugh, Jony Ive... (Score:5, Interesting)

      by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @09:58PM (#55704913) Homepage Journal

      I'm greatly looking forward to a future full of function-follows-form from the good ol' days!

      Unless you're being sarcastic... I don't know why you would think that's in the cards; Jony Ive is the villain that took away the beautiful icons iOS and OS X / MacOS used to have and replaced them with dull, flat, information-culled pastels reminiscent of an interior decorator's shart, not to mention being the conceptual guy who was in authority when the clueless process that brought us the abortion that is the "trashcan" Mac Pro went down.

      Unless he's been off recovering from a head injury, this appears to bode very poorly for the future of everything Apple.

      It's looking more and more like a big windows tower lurks in my future. Damn it.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    I'm getting worried about Apple. I'm feeling more and more of the moz://a vibe from it.

    By that I mean we're seeing Apple do more and more things that they want to do, rather than giving customers what the customers desire.

    We've seen moz://a do this with Firefox. While Firefox was initially developed in a way that benefited users, and provided them with a superior browser, over time we've seen the opposite happen. Changes have been made to Firefox not based on any demand or desire from users, but rather just

    • What do the customers desire? Apple is the world biggest company with no sign of slowing.

      Apples early 2000s roots.
      Colorful boxes on slow processors, with all in one systems making repairs difficult, and removal of the beloved Floppy drive, and an option to add one with a USB dongle.
      Or on the pro-line you have system that look much like they do today, with more or less the same manageability and upgradability.

      Apple had dumped OS 9 and remade it scratch for OS X which didn't mature until the mid 2000's. Whil

    • Please, Apple, learn from moz://a's mistakes! Don't become what they become! Put the focus back on the customers and what the customers actually want, rather than trying to force agendas or initiatives on the customers!

      Hm. I wonder if "listening to the customer" is always 100% infallible advise.

      Time for a car analogy: Let's say one makes cars. And if you listen TOO much to your customers, you'll end up with the Pontiac Aztek (poster kid of what happens when a car is designed by focus groups) or Homer's Percephone. The brutal truth is most customer's don't *know* what they want.

      Prove me wrong. Just because a tech minority knows what we want doesn't mean ALL customers know. Most of them don't.. and they don't care. T

  • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:50PM (#55703583)

    Ah yes. The man responsible for Macbooks with non-replaceable storage (nice if the motherboard fails), soldered RAM, irremovable (glued!) batteries. And iMacs with screens stuck with strong sticky tape over the vital parts (needs a pizza roller to remove).

    Oh wait! And Apple's Time Capsule. Nice little router with storage built in. Should be easy enough to remove the hard drive when it fails, right? Wrong.

    You can get to the drive by popping off the bottom cover, but Apple routed wires under the drive. Disconnecting some of the wires is virtually guaranteed to break their connectors. Apple saved 50 cents and made the thing extremely hard to fix.

    All hail Jony Ive, the king of user-hostile design.

    • mac pro 2018 with non replaceable storage = no go unless apple wants to be the one that leaks that new movie when it's in's in post.

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I would disagree-- while they are definitely not friendly for the average user here at Slashdot (who wants to replace a drive or update a component)-- I think apples former success clearly shows they were absolutely user friendly for the average computer user overall.

      In addition to that, I think Ives is a top notch industrial designer. Part of the reason apple products were impossible to repair is because he considered form as well as function. I know a lot of people claim he put form OVER function, and I

    • by balbeir ( 557475 )

      All hail Jony Ive, the king of user-hostile design.

      And to top it all off : the king of the notch

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:58PM (#55703635)

    During the past couple years when Apple has come out with laptops without the ports I need, or phones without headphone jacks - I figured it was Jony Ive's fault. So was it actually these other guys making those decisions?

    • by b0s0z0ku ( 752509 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:59PM (#55703643)
      Jony Ive has only been out for 1-2 years -- you can blame him for Apple's watered-down hardware.
    • by cfalcon ( 779563 )

      No clue. I've had a pet theory that when Apple is doing well technically or fashionably, they "invest" in bad design and user hostile decisions, and when they need to look good, they revert back to sane industry standard stuff. I think it's just one extra currency they can bank and cash out of, repeatedly.

      The last several years have been a progressively funnier joke as regards user servicability and user access. The funniest part was probably the trashcan Mac- a server, and priced as such, in a laughably

    • by Anonymous Coward

      I blame Tim Cook. He should have said "No" to the bad design decisions.

      I wouldn't blame Cook for a bug in someone's code, which said
      a = b++;
      when the code should have said
      a = ++b;

      But I do blame him for approving obvious design decisions like what ports a Mac has.

  • by s1d3track3D ( 1504503 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:42PM (#55703829)
    Given their recent passwordless root entry debacle, maybe they should be focusing on hiring high profile QA engineers... ref: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... [theregister.co.uk]
    • by antdude ( 79039 )

      Not just QA engineers. More paid QA testers in Apple. Not free external users as testers.

  • by Proudrooster ( 580120 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @05:20PM (#55703997) Homepage

    Well, I guess everything is going to get even flatter and less serviceable and upgradable.

    The new 2018 MacBook Pro will have only one port called the USB-C-Flat and the case will be made of two-ply aluminum foil because everyone needs to keep their Mac in a manilla envelope. The entire machine will be made with a new revolutionary lamination process because pentalobe screws are ugly. The keyboard won't have actual keys of instead be a silkscreen over a giant touch pad. Yes, the keyboard and the touch pad will merge into one gloriously flat surface. The CPU, GPU, and RAM will be laminated into the aluminum and the whole case will become a giant glorious heatsink eliminating the needs for any fans. The battery will be a next generation ultra flat non-liquid electrolyte design. The entire $2000 compute can be recycled after two years by running it through a shredder and you can purchase another one.

    Then Lenovo, HP, ASUS, and Acer will all copy this stupid new design,

    I would so much like to be the head of design at Apple. I would make cool, modular stuff and there would be a Phat-Book Pro!

    Johnny your ruining the laptop design world, please retire. It's time.

    • Apple struck a good balance in the 80s. Apple IIc for people who wanted things to "just work." Soldered RAM, sealed case, even semi-portable -- you could get an LCD and a car power adapter.

      Apple IIe and GS for power users, with many expansion slots in the case, memory expansion, etc - but the basic architecture of the IIc and IIe were similar (the IIGS essentially expanded on the IIe concept but added a 16-bit processor and snazzy graphics and sound).

    • you joke, but seriously.. that's probably the endgame.

  • Face recognition sounds a decision made in these two years. It is not mature enough and convenient enough. Touch ID still rocks.

  • by dohzer ( 867770 ) on Friday December 08, 2017 @08:21PM (#55704645)

    Missing apostrophe and it should be 'ed', not 's'. Such slack editing.

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