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2016 MacBook Pro Fails To Receive a Recommendation From Consumer Reports (9to5mac.com) 212

Consumer Reports has released its evaluation of the new MacBook Pro laptops, and it's not good. The 2016 MacBook Pro is the first MacBook to fail to receive a recommendation from the nonprofit organization dedicated to unbiased product testing. 9to5Mac reports: In a post breaking down the decision not to recommend the new MacBook Pros, Consumer Reports explains that while the new models held up well in terms of display quality and performance, the battery life issues were too big of an issue to overlook. The organization tested three MacBook Pro variants: a 13-inch Touch Bar model, a 15-inch Touch Bar model, and a 13-inch model without the Touch Bar. The general consensus was that "MacBook Pro battery life results were highly inconsistent from one trial to the next." Consumer Reports explains that the 13-inch Touch Bar model saw battery life of 16 hours in one test and 3.75 hours in another, while the non-Touch Bar model maxed out at 19.5 hours, but also lasted just 4.5 hours in another test. The 15-inch model ranged from 18.5 hours to 8 hours. Generally, according to the report, it's expected for battery life to vary from one trial to another by less than 5 percent, meaning that the battery life variances with the new MacBook Pro are very abnormal. Once that was completed, Consumer Reports experimented by conducting the same test using Chrome and "found battery life to be consistently high on all six runs." While the organization can't let that affect its final decision due to its protocol to only use the first-party browser, it's something users may want to try.
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2016 MacBook Pro Fails To Receive a Recommendation From Consumer Reports

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  • Something is rotten in the state of Apple.

    • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:14PM (#53540655)
      >> Something is rotten in the state of Apple.

      I blame the Russians. Clearly they influenced the reviewers, so the results should be ignored.
    • by Anonymous Coward

      It has been, every since they went the user-hostile route of gluing/soldering in all parts, to maximize profits on forced initial upgrades.

      For a company the touts itself as being "green" it makes super expensive, disposable computers.

      Finally, the Apple tax used to be $200-300 on an equally equipped PC, but now it's $500-$2000 more - freakin insane.

      • You have a non-disposable computer? I mean besides that Kaypro in the closet.

    • Something is rotten in the state of Apple.

      ... and that something is the Safari browser. As long as you use a different browser, everything is okay, so this looks like a software issue, that will likely be fixed with a routine update, rather than a hardware issue. My spouse has a new Macbook, and uses Chrome so she has the same UI and can sync bookmarks with Windows and Linux. Her battery life is better than expected, and an improvement over her 2014 model.

      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by fortfive ( 1582005 )

        Hasn't the consensus been, recently, that chrome is the resource hog and safari was the faster, less energy using browser?

    • In this case, it's more Intel. I don't care about the soldered-on SSD: a 2TB SSD should last the life of the machine and if it dies before then I want Apple to replace it under warranty, so I don't care if it costs them more to replace. 16GB is the deal breaker though. We have roughly a three-year upgrade program at work and my current MBP is now three years old. We have the money to buy a replacement, but for a lot of what I do RAM is the bottleneck. I completely understand why Apple couldn't bump the
      • 2TB SSD should last the life of the machine and if it dies before then I want Apple to replace it under warranty

        What if it dies a week after it expires? And what about the other way round - you drop the machine or spill a ventiwoppamochachocca all over it & it won't boot. Now you can't take the drive out, plug it into another machine and get your data off.

        It makes as much sense as welding the clutch to the car.

  • by imgod2u ( 812837 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:15PM (#53540663) Homepage

    Hell must've frozen over. Next thing you'll tell me a reality TV star became President....

    • by Bite The Pillow ( 3087109 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:11PM (#53540899)

      More importantly, the web browser makes the difference between recommended and not. Ignore all of the hardware, its the browser.

      I'm curious now, exactly what they are testing. I'm guessing Facebook and YouTube, or similar. Ajax and video. Not my use case, but certainly a popular one.

      I guess I won't make fun of Microsoft pimping their browser efficiency any more...

      • by Solandri ( 704621 ) on Friday December 23, 2016 @03:03AM (#53541991)
        Consumer Reports isn't a tech rag. They don't give a damn about technical specs except as guidelines for what to buy (e.g. "get at least 8 GB of RAM").

        They test products based on how the average person will use them. So if the average person spends 80% of their computer time in a browser on Facebook or YouTube, by God they're going to test how the laptop performs running a browser on Facebook or YouTube.
        • I'd agree with you except for the case of the iPhone 4. They initially recommended it, but then changed that after antenna gate was revealed.

          The antenna was definitely an issue, but Consumer Reports missed it during their testing. What made them change their mind was when someone else discovered it. If the "hold it wrong" test was that important to make them change their minds on it, why didn't they do it initially? If the average consumer could potentially hold the phone in a manner that makes it malfun

          • If the average consumer could potentially hold the phone in a manner that makes it malfunction, how did they not see that happen in their first round of testing?

            Uh, because that was a bit of a black swan? If they didn't happen to hold the phone that way, why would they even think to try?

            By that logic, parents who bought Aquadots [wikipedia.org] for their children should have first eaten some of the beads to check if they had psychoactive drugs in them (i.e. why would they have any reason to suspect such a thing?)

            • If they didn't happen to hold the phone that way, why would they even think to try?

              That tells me that their testing method is flawed, and they admitted it by changing their recommendation after it was discovered.

              By that logic, parents who bought Aquadots [wikipedia.org] for their children should have first eaten some of the beads to check if they had psychoactive drugs in them (i.e. why would they have any reason to suspect such a thing?)

              That's.....wow. Maybe it's because you're not supposed to eat aquadots. You are supposed to be able to hold a phone without it losing signal.

        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          Consumer Reports isn't a tech rag. They don't give a damn about technical specs except as guidelines for what to buy (e.g. "get at least 8 GB of RAM").

          They test products based on how the average person will use them. So if the average person spends 80% of their computer time in a browser on Facebook or YouTube, by God they're going to test how the laptop performs running a browser on Facebook or YouTube.

          iHOW DARE THEY...

          Testing these products like they were to be used by pleb switcheurs!!!!!1!!ONE!!1ELEVEN!!!! Don't they know that you are only ever to test an Apple product by the method suggested by the Holy Jobs and any differences between your results and the specifications in the sacred literature are because you're holding it wrong.

      • More importantly, the web browser makes the difference between recommended and not. Ignore all of the hardware, its the browser.

        I'm curious now, exactly what they are testing. I'm guessing Facebook and YouTube, or similar. Ajax and video. Not my use case, but certainly a popular one.

        I guess I won't make fun of Microsoft pimping their browser efficiency any more...

        Apple and Microsoft both intended to use Kaby Lake processors in their latest iteration but ended up using SkyLake processors instead because of delays. This according to a very reliable news source [slashdot.org] that never succumbs to hyperbole, bad journalism or gives in to the temptation to post click-bait. The linked article even mentions the forced decision to use SkyLake processors as the reason for poorer battery life. The current Microsoft/Apple offerings in this device class are interim devices., so the thing to

        • More importantly, the web browser makes the difference between recommended and not. Ignore all of the hardware, its the browser.

          I'm curious now, exactly what they are testing. I'm guessing Facebook and YouTube, or similar. Ajax and video. Not my use case, but certainly a popular one.

          I guess I won't make fun of Microsoft pimping their browser efficiency any more...

          Apple and Microsoft both intended to use Kaby Lake processors in their latest iteration but ended up using SkyLake processors instead because of delays. This according to a very reliable news source [slashdot.org] that never succumbs to hyperbole, bad journalism or gives in to the temptation to post click-bait. The linked article even mentions the forced decision to use SkyLake processors as the reason for poorer battery life. The current Microsoft/Apple offerings in this device class are interim devices., so the thing to do is defer purchasing decisions until devices with the Kaby Lake processors arrive. On the plus side, this story will allow all the Apple critics out there to come here, vent their rage and thus lower their blood pressure.

          Nonsense. KabyLake and Skylake are identical except for the GPU. And the reason Apple and MS did not use KB, is because models with an Iris branded GPU haven't yet been released by Intel, and they traditionally have been using the Iris-branded GPU models. The reason the battery life in the new MBP is inconsistent is because the battery is smaller, and have been replaced with more aggresive power savings in macOS, power savings that turns out to be a lot less consistent than just having a larget battery.

      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        It's a sign of deeper problems. I actually do this kind of thing for a living and I think I can see what their issue is.

        Apple relied on software optimization, similar to what mobile operating systems like iOS and Android have done, to get good battery life from small, light weight batteries. For example, the OS stops tasks waking up whenever they want to, and instead bunches them together to limit the amount of time the CPU wastes going from sleep to awake states. Of course, mobile operating systems heavily

    • Dr. Emmett Brown: Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 1985?
      Marty McFly: Ronald Reagan.
      Dr. Emmett Brown: Ronald Reagan? The actor?

      • by zifn4b ( 1040588 )

        Dr. Emmett Brown: Then tell me, future boy, who's President of the United States in 1985? Marty McFly: Ronald Reagan. Dr. Emmett Brown: Ronald Reagan? The actor?

        What do Ronald Reagan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Donald Trump all have in common?

      • None of this should be read as an endorsement or criticism of Reagan on Trump, but...

        I've seen this comparison several times with all the "Reagan, the actor?" jokes from the 1980s. Not so minor differences: Reagan was a multi-term governor of the largest state (California) before becoming President. Before that, he was already viewed as an important political commentator, making speeches for or against campaigns on the national scene. Before that, he was elected as president of the Screen Actors Guild

    • Hell must've frozen over. Next thing you'll tell me a reality TV star became President....

      Well, I wouldn't say star. But some guy who's been on TV yeah.

  • In other words... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:16PM (#53540671)

    The batteries aren't big enough, and Apple's power saving features are too aggressive, leading to a situation where the slightest load that pokes the machine in the wrong way (ie, anything that causes the GPUs to switch, or more CPU cores to wake up) will cause your battery % to drop through the floor.

    It's a shame, really. If they weren't so obsessed with thinness to the point of discarding RAM slots, SSD sockets, and battery capacity- it might actually be a decent machine.

    I wonder how many people pointed out these issues prior to launch. The answer is either "lots" (who were summarily ignored), or "none at all" (because everyone was fearing for their jobs- thou shall not go against thy word of thy great Ive). Either way, this only serves to highlight the growing dysfunction within Apple. And I can guarantee you their response to falling Mac sales won't be to release the machine people want, but rather to cancel the whole lineup entirely.

    • by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:41PM (#53541051) Homepage Journal

      The batteries aren't big enough, and Apple's power saving features are too aggressive, leading to a situation where the slightest load that pokes the machine in the wrong way (ie, anything that causes the GPUs to switch, or more CPU cores to wake up) will cause your battery % to drop through the floor.

      According to one report, they originally planned to use a bigger battery and ran into manufacturing problems and had to fall back to the smaller battery. That said, the story seems suspect, given that they used a bigger battery in every prior model, meaning that the larger-capacity batteries should already exist and be thoroughly tested. It seems more likely that it's a cover story (as in "cover your *** story"), and that some designer's mandate for decreased thickness overrode all the engineers saying that reducing battery capacity was a bad idea.

      The answer is either "lots" (who were summarily ignored), or "none at all" (because everyone was fearing for their jobs- thou shall not go against thy word of thy great Ive).

      If the answer is "none at all", it probably isn't because they feared for their jobs, but rather because so many of the older generation have left for other companies, and the new college hires running the show strongly exhibit the Dunning–Kruger effect. But I suspect the answer is "lots", and that the engineers were ignored in favor of thin. The evidence of design trumping function is just too overwhelming in product after product to believe that engineering has much (if any) real input until after things go catastrophically wrong and a product starts slipping.

    • Actually, Consumer Reports is really just testing browser battery performance. All they've show is that if you're using Safari, you don't know what to expect for battery life. Chrome was fine.

  • Consumer Reports is what it is, and for lots of stuff it is great, but because they do pretty well with appliances does not make them experts anywhere else. A very old joke in Motor Trend (or the equivalent; I forget.) has white lab coated guys in beards and spectacles carefully taking notes on clipboards as they push cars off a cliff. To one man's query another guy says, "Oh, that's just Consumer Reports testing cars again."

    • Consumer Reports is what it is, and for lots of stuff it is great...

      Especially great at trashing Apple when it deserves to be trashed.

    • by msauve ( 701917 )
      Back in the '80's, CR dinged VW because they used a single turn signal indicator in the console instead of the separate left and right ones common on US cars. One could only conclude that CR drivers needed that as a reminder because they often forgot which way they intended to turn.
      • by JBMcB ( 73720 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:59PM (#53540841)

        The point at which I determined CR to be crap for automotive testing is when they gave the Honda pickup truck the recommendation because it had the most comfortable interior and smoothest ride. Of course, it had the smallest bed, the lowest hauling capacity, and the worst trailer rating, but why would you need any of that in a pickup truck?

        • by DRJlaw ( 946416 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:39PM (#53541041)

          Of course, it had the smallest bed, the lowest hauling capacity, and the worst trailer rating, but why would you need any of that in a pickup truck?

          Says a majority of the people who buy pickups and who, by the way, never fill the bed, haul anything that can't be lifted by two people, or pull a trailer.

          • by JBMcB ( 73720 )

            Says a majority of the people who buy pickups and who, by the way, never fill the bed, haul anything that can't be lifted by two people, or pull a trailer.

            1. If that were the case, the Honda would be selling pretty well. Honda pulled the vehicle from N.A. sales a couple years ago due to almost non-existent sales. The F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the US.

            2. The F-150 is the most popular vehicle amongst people making more than $1 million a year. It's, pretty much all, contractors and ranchers. You know, people who actually use pickup trucks.

            3. I know this because half of my family work directly for automotive manufacturers and suppliers, and they know th

        • by msauve ( 701917 )
          "why would you need any of that in a pickup truck?"

          Based on the pickups I see being driven around here, the ability to carry cargo isn't an important consideration for the majority of pickup drivers.
      • I didn't read that article, but I can see a reasonable justifcation for the rating. Maybe sometimes people bump the turn signal stalk the wrong way and indicate the incorrect turn direction, and the indicator would help them to know that they're indicating incorrectly, thus avoiding an unexpected (from the point of other drivers) turn.

        Not saying that I think it's worth dinging a car's rating over, but there might be some sense to it, especially if you consider the very limits of safety features to be an im

  • They forgot... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by fuzzyf ( 1129635 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @08:27PM (#53540723)
    I got the mid 2015 15" pro and I'm hoping it will last years. I've had Lenovo, HP and Dell through work and they are fine. The Macbook Pro on the other hand is really really nice to work with. Trackpad is just superb and Magsafe should be standard on all laptops (IMHO).
    The only thing I would like different is more RAM (I use several VMs).

    So when the new model arrived I was sure I would be a bit anoyed about the increased ram size and other new features that I would miss, but no.
    I'm actually happy I got the previous model. It's so much better for my use.
    I wouldn't even consider the new model. Who the f..k buys a pro laptop without any USB A ports? How isolated are you? Dongles? I hate dongles. I'm not spending that much money to carry around a bunch of dongles.

    If Apple wants their Pro line to be used by bloggers then ok. They lost their way.
    • Magsafe tends to be really bad if you do things like use your laptop in bed while plugged in. It comes out all the time, every time you move the laptop. It makes me wonder who these people are that just can't get the proper cord so that it doesn't string across where people might be walking. I mean a $2 extension cord is all it would take.
      • Re:They forgot... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by willy_me ( 212994 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:19PM (#53540937)
        Yes, but you never see MacBook [Pro] computers fail because their power cords have been tugged on. I fixed a couple of Toshiba laptops by simply re-soldering the power connector back onto the motherboard. The magnetic connection does an excellent job of preventing stresses on the internal components of the laptop. Power connectors, USB connectors, and 1/8" audio connectors are highly prone to damage resulting from cables being pulled. USB is not bad on the back of a computer, but when people plug USB sticks into the front of a computer (or side of a laptop) is is asking for trouble. Too bad it is so damn convenient - maybe the Type-C connector will be more robust.
        • Man just get a Thinkpad and forget about it. The secret is to make the connector properly in the first place. USB-C doesn't fall out, but now it is just a small piece of metal and a plastic casing that sticks out an inch from the laptop. I'm most concerned about breaking this USB-C adapter.
        • Re:They forgot... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by timholman ( 71886 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:49PM (#53541331)

          Yes, but you never see MacBook [Pro] computers fail because their power cords have been tugged on. I fixed a couple of Toshiba laptops by simply re-soldering the power connector back onto the motherboard.

          This failure mechanism is so common that there are small companies that specialize in selling different power jacks for laptop motherboards, just so people can replace the broken ones.

          The removal of MagSafe from the new MacBook Pro, even more so than the removal of all ports except USB-C, tells me that the people who are designing Apple laptops aren't actually using them anymore. Appearance has completely trumped functionality. I've replaced a lot of broken power jacks on other laptop brands, and I'm not going to buy a MacBook Pro with the same potential failure mechanism.

          • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

            The removal of MagSafe from the new MacBook Pro, even more so than the removal of all ports except USB-C, tells me that the people who are designing Apple laptops aren't actually using them anymore. Appearance has completely trumped functionality. I've replaced a lot of broken power jacks on other laptop brands, and I'm not going to buy a MacBook Pro with the same potential failure mechanism.

            Except they're now gone into standardization. MagSafe is great, but it was proprietary, as were Apple's power packs.

            A

        • Magsafe's primary failure mode is at the other end - the wall wart. I've had numerous Mac owners aski me if I could fix their wall wart because they don't want to shell out $79 [apple.com] for another one. The frayed cables are an easy fix (electrical tape), and the broken plug can usually be fixed with some epoxy and/or soldering. But the cable fraying where it enters the adapter is pretty much fatal. These things simply shouldn't be happening to a power brick which costs $79.

          Most of the broken power connectors
        • by mjwx ( 966435 )

          Yes, but you never see MacBook [Pro] computers fail because their power cords have been tugged on.

          I've never seen a laptop fail because the power cord has been tugged on. Not even your cheapest eMachine or MSI laptop and I've been looking after some of the most abused laptops for years (try doing tech support for Geologists, they abuse everything).

          Apple fanboys need to stop creaming themselves over a power connector. It's not that great, most of us aren't klutz's that are continually tripping over cor

        • So, if having multiple USB ports are source of problems, now with only a tiny one, do you think this will be better? (I.e., a smaller one being used more often because it's just one, used with several different adapters).
      • They make a device called a "Snuglet" that strengthens the Magsafe 2 connector to the point where you need to give a meaningful tug to get it to disconnect. It's around $20, but totally worth it.

      • Re:They forgot... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by dgatwood ( 11270 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:04PM (#53541153) Homepage Journal

        Magsafe tends to be really bad if you do things like use your laptop in bed while plugged in.

        I think you misspelled "MagSafe 2". The original MagSafe was much more robust against those sorts of things (ignoring its tendency to fail to show a proper charge light at times). It was only when Apple redesigned the connector to make the machine even thinner that its reliability started to suck. (Hmm. I'm sensing a pattern.)

      • Re:They forgot... (Score:5, Insightful)

        by drew_kime ( 303965 ) on Friday December 23, 2016 @12:14AM (#53541637) Journal

        Magsafe tends to be really bad if you do things like use your laptop in bed while plugged in. It comes out all the time, every time you move the laptop.

        Yeah, that bothered me for like the first 30 seconds. Then I realized that every time I knocked it out I was doing something that would have been gradually breaking any other connector. If you hit it hard enough to knock it out, you want it to fall out instead of transmitting that stress to the jack.

        • "Then I realized that every time I knocked it out I was doing something that would have been gradually breaking any poorly made connector."

          There, I fixed it for you. Moving around in bed should break a connector? Really? Or you could get a thinkpad and not worry about the connector breaking.
    • by jemmyw ( 624065 )
      I've got the new 2016 MacBook Pro 15" through work. I also had the 2014 model, which I ended up owning after being let go by a previous employer. I don't use any peripherals so I'm not bothered by the ports issue. The flatter keyboard on the 2016 model is actually nicer, more clicky, the old one feels mushy now. The touch bar is a nice gimmick, it works OK. But meh, I wouldn't have purchased one with my own money, I'd have probably gone for a Dell XPS with 32GB of memory provided I could get Linux working o
      • I will say that the Dell XPS laptops are impressive. I don't own one but I've seen them recommended as an alternative to the MacBook Pro and I took a look at the pricing and specs. This is from someone that has owned three Apple laptops over the last 15 years. Which is an indication of how long they last and how rarely I buy new equipment. I had a bit of a mishap with my newest MacBook Pro so I'm looking to replace it sooner than I had planned.

        The Dell XPS is cheaper, has much of the same capability, an

    • by thesandbender ( 911391 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:46PM (#53541321)
      I was eagerly awaiting the new MBP release expecting it would support 32GB like everyone else (hell, you can buy relatively svelte laptops that supports 64GB from Dell). The 16GB limit, the fact that you can't upgrade the RAM or the SSD, the lack of ports... the new MBP was just a giant middle finger to the "power user" community. It's very apparent that the executive/senior management at Apple could give two sh*ts about their technical/professional user base any more and are more focused on users who are concerned about how their device looks. The recent article on Bloomberg.com [bloomberg.com] bears that out. The thing is, from a business stand point it makes sense. The average users is, well, average, and represents a much larger user base than you or I. "Space Gray" and "Rose Gold" are much much easier and cheaper options to implement during assembly than multiple memory options, etc. You can either spend more on R&D to appeal to 10-25% of the market or you can appeal to the 75% of the market like my wife whose still happily chugging along on her 8GB MacBook Air. From a business standpoint it's a no-brainer. I'm disappointed, I loved my MBP's but it's time to move on.
  • The reason? Too many ports!

  • by shanen ( 462549 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @09:16PM (#53540917) Homepage Journal

    Of course I'm mostly hoping for funny comments (as of days of yore), but in the case of this specific article I was hoping to find something about the possible causes of the variability in battery life. The mention of Safari was quite speculative, but I guess it isn't the job of Consumer Reports to diagnose the problems, just find them?

    Anyway, for what it's worth, I have a long history with Apple, but as of this writing I do not anticipate any future purchase from Apple. The company is now dedicated to monolithic Apple-style thinking, which I find rather humorous considering the slogan of their most famous advertising campaign. Anything resembling criticism of Apple is now regarded as double-plus-ungood. Shut uppa your mouth!

    I'm not sure how much to blame Apple. I think it is the American laws that basically require big companies to become increasingly evil in order to survive. Being an evil company is not a guarantee of success and huge profits, but being a nice company has become an absolute guarantee of failure, usually via acquisition. (My current list of examples includes NetScape, Palm, Sun, and Nokia.)

    I'll check back later, though my hope of finding truly funny comments is fading these years.

    • by ahabswhale ( 1189519 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:39PM (#53541297)

      "The company is now dedicated to monolithic Apple-style thinking"

      They have ALWAYS been dedicated as such. Did you just start paying attention? In any event, this way of thinking has made them the most successful company in the world. And all companies are profit driven. It's how they stay in business, so I'd just get over it and move on with your life.

      • by shanen ( 462549 )

        You must be new here? Ever heard of the Woz?

        Apple actually started at the other extreme of openness and open architecture. It was a hacker culture in those days and the idea was that not only could you understand the inside, but more power to you. Diversity was encouraged, and the employees even coined their own job titles.

        It was really the Mac that led the transition to the closed-box closed-mind approach. That led to the... Not sure what to call it. The worst possible kind of endorsement? An anti-endorsem

  • Hey Apple (Score:5, Insightful)

    by LynnwoodRooster ( 966895 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @10:50PM (#53541339) Journal
    Consumer Reports showed REAL courage in not recommending your product...
  • by Snufu ( 1049644 ) on Thursday December 22, 2016 @11:28PM (#53541511)

    requires courage.

  • ... courage!

    You wont need battery life longer than your AirPods!

    • ... courage!

      You wont need battery life longer than your AirPods!

      Which are also non serviceable and require replacement when the battery inevitably dies. Courageous.

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