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Elizabeth Warren Says Apple, Amazon and Google Are Trying To 'Lock Out' Competition (recode.net) 321

Elizabeth Warren, an American academic and member of the Democratic Party, believes that Google, Apple, and Amazon are trying to use their size to "snuff out competition." In a speech about the perils of "consolidation and concentration" throughout the economy, the Massachusetts senator singled out the three of tech's biggest players. From a report:Warren had different beefs with Google, Apple and Amazon, but the common thread was that she accused each one of using its powerful platform to "lock out smaller guys and newer guys," including some that compete with Google, Apple and Amazon. Google, she said, uses "its dominant search engine to harm rivals of its Google Plus user review feature;" Apple "has placed conditions on its rivals that make it difficult for them to offer competitive streaming services" that compete with Apple Music; and Amazon "uses its position as the dominant bookseller to steer consumers to books published by Amazon to the detriment of other publishers.""Google, Apple and Amazon have created disruptive technologies that changed the world, and ... they deserve to be highly profitable and successful," Warren said. "But the opportunity to compete must remain open for new entrants and smaller competitors that want their chance to change the world again."
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Elizabeth Warren Says Apple, Amazon and Google Are Trying To 'Lock Out' Competition

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  • Business 101 (Score:2, Insightful)

    by AlanBDee ( 2261976 )
    I'm glad to see she understands the first rule of business.
    • Re:Business 101 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Berkyjay ( 1225604 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:30PM (#52421297)
      She also seems to understand the role that government should play in combating that first rule.
      • Re:Business 101 (Score:5, Insightful)

        by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:38PM (#52421367)

        She also seems to understand the role that government should play in combating that first rule.

        Perhaps she might also lecture her colleagues regarding what they should be focussing on - stuff like this - instead of them devoting their energies towards hobbling encryption and trying to remove their citizen's constitutional rights.

      • Re:Business 101 (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Zantac69 ( 1331461 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:44PM (#52421441) Journal

        She also seems to understand the role that government should play in combating that first rule.

        :head scratch: So Amazon, Apple, and Google should encourage their competition?

        You mean like how the two major political parties have rigged the board so as to discourage political parties outside of the two majors?

        • Re: Business 101 (Score:2, Interesting)

          by Anonymous Coward

          Don't be obtuse.

          Government steps on to restrict the big players' ability to prevent competition.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Berkyjay ( 1225604 )
          What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Are you trying to say that she has no standing to talk about government regulation? Or are you just randomly railing against political parties?
          • What does that have to do with the subject at hand? Are you trying to say that she has no standing to talk about government regulation? Or are you just randomly railing against political parties?

            Perhaps it is rather tongue-in-cheek, but even you have to admit the Pot calling the Kettle black comes across like a cinder block to the face.

            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              by Berkyjay ( 1225604 )

              Perhaps it is rather tongue-in-cheek, but even you have to admit the Pot calling the Kettle black comes across like a cinder block to the face.

              Nah, I can't admit to that because they aren't mutually exclusive. The existence of a two-party system doesn't invalidate government action against corporate monopolies. I think the better idiom is "Throw the baby out with the bathwater".

            • by bondsbw ( 888959 )

              That doesn't matter. Government and corporations should perform checks and balances to one another. Each player tries to check the other in order to stay ahead, but the balances should keep them from ever truly taking control over the other.

          • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

            The accusation against Apple seems to kind of make sense but only because I tend to be naturally biased against them. I don't really know if it's BS or not and I will reserve judgement until I see something convincing. The accusation against Amazon just seems weird. I don't see how they could manage that even with their dominant position. The Google thing I have not even heard of. This also seems like something that you really can't "muscle into".

            Size tends to be an inherent problem but I don't think Warren

        • She also seems to understand the role that government should play in combating that first rule.

          :head scratch: So Amazon, Apple, and Google should encourage their competition?
           

          Because not doing something bad, is doing self sacrifice? How about going from doing bad, to not doing bad? Or how about just keep status quo, and lets us teach fanboys and libertarians how the real work works?

    • Re:Business 101 (Score:5, Insightful)

      by chispito ( 1870390 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:43PM (#52421429)

      I'm glad to see she understands the first rule of business.

      Honestly, I don't know what you are getting at. Is it, "Make money?" Or perhaps "Grow your business?" Maybe you mean "Don't talk about Fight Club."

    • by Boronx ( 228853 )

      Why is this a troll? these companies have been doing this for years.

  • by justcauseisjustthat ( 1150803 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:25PM (#52421239)
    If ISP put restrictions on ports etc, it will make it harder for the next Amazon, Apple or Google to prosper and grow. You look at Comcast, they advertise that they block port unless you pay twice as much for half the speed.
  • Well yeah (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ryanrule ( 1657199 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:26PM (#52421253)
    Pulling up the ladder behind you is a STAPLE of the current tech company leadership.
    • Re:Well yeah (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bravecanadian ( 638315 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:33PM (#52421323)

      Pulling up the ladder behind you is a STAPLE of the current tech company leadership.

      Not just tech company leadership.

      A *lot* of people have had a good long drink of the greed is good/reagonomics/greenspan business philosophy koolaid.

      No amount of failure seems to convince them of the problems with it.

      • Re: Well yeah (Score:4, Insightful)

        by John Smith ( 4340437 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:35PM (#52421337)
        Er, considering that we seem to have not been operating on an ideal version of any system, anyone could argue "well if things were done right, they would be good."
        • by Hylandr ( 813770 )

          So saith the armchair generals.

        • Er, considering that we seem to have not been operating on an ideal version of any system, anyone could argue "well if things were done right, they would be good."

          The first step towards doing things right is realizing that what we're doing now isn't working and trying to find a solution.

          Corruption in general and regulatory capture specifically are completely out of control.

          • by Gr8Apes ( 679165 )
            There would be a lot less corruption if the FTC followed a simple rule: if you have 10% or will have 10% of any market due to a merger or acquisition, you may not merge/acquire. A very simple rule that aims for keeping competition in the market place. Given the current conditions, we may have to start at 30% or something like that, and force some current effective monopolies to change their business practices (Comcast et al) but I see only positives coming out of that.
    • Re:Well yeah (Score:5, Insightful)

      by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:41PM (#52421413)

      Pulling up the ladder behind you is a STAPLE of the current tech company leadership.

      I think you meant, "Pulling up the ladder behind you is a STAPLE of every company and government in the history of the universe."

  • by SpankiMonki ( 3493987 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:33PM (#52421321)
    Does whoever wrote the summary know that Elizabeth Warren's day job is as a sitting United States Senator? Apparently not.
    • She was a law professor before she became a senator.

    • by Kohath ( 38547 )

      It's interesting that a US Senator would advocate for Sweden's Spotify against American companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon.

  • This is business, nothing changes. Fortunately the small guys have the monopoly of ideas, and eventually get bought out - hopefully for a big sum. Then they go away and think up the next big idea. Etc.
  • No duh (Score:3, Insightful)

    by JustAnotherOldGuy ( 4145623 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:40PM (#52421381)

    "...Apple, Amazon and Google Are Trying To 'Lock Out' Competition"

    Oh my gawd, say it isn't so.

    Seriously, no shit, of COURSE they're trying to lock out competition. In the "Quest For More Dollars" game they'd send death squads around to the other company's Boards Of Directors if they thought they could get away with it. It's all about the benjamins, and killing off the competition (or stifling them) by whatever means necessary is Job One.

    This is "news" in the same way that "water is wet" or "criminals commit crimes" is "news".

    • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

      Of course the more interesting question is whether enough there's enough there to sustain a successful prosecution under the Anti-Trust act and what happens if the Feds win?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:40PM (#52421385)

    Big tech execs are in big heap trouble...until they share wampum with Democrats.

  • Hillary Clinton blasted corporations who tried to hide their underhanded business dealings by setting up their own private email server...in their basement...and then mysteriously 'wiped them clean' when the information was subpoenaed by Congress.
  • Competition (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Tablizer ( 95088 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:48PM (#52421499) Journal

    While I will steer clear of accusations of intent here; in terms of service and innovation, oligopolies usually end up sucking rotting eggs in the longer term such that we should have policies and/or regulations in place to encourage competition in key services and technologies.

    I know most conservatives will balk at such, but it contradicts their usual push for competition, and oligopolies have insufficient competition. Having a slightly bigger gov't is the least evil compared to letting oligopolies rot progress and choices.

  • by gachunt ( 4485797 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @03:49PM (#52421515)
    Her argument really fell apart for me at that point.
  • "But the opportunity to compete must remain open for new entrants and smaller competitors that want their chance to change the world again."

    This sounds an awful lot like how our political landscape is currently setup. Two giants doing everything in their power to ensure that a 3rd party has absolutely no chance at competing. Apparently, it's the American way :|

  • by slapout ( 93640 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @04:03PM (#52421643)

    Google and Apple are big supporters of liberal causes. Someone better get Warren back on the reservation.

  • So if she joins up with Hillary we'll have a ticket that can boast its prowess as
    - all women yay
    - anti encryption yay
    - anti google, amazon, and apple yay

    Pretty much a big clue for California voters to go vote for someone else.

    What will they come up with next to piss of New York voters?

    E

    • by Yunzil ( 181064 )

      Do you seriously think California will vote for Trump?

      • by jedidiah ( 1196 )

        About the only thing that could get California to vote Trump is if it was Palin instead of Warren on Clinton's ticket.

  • Well (Score:5, Funny)

    by Trailer Trash ( 60756 ) on Thursday June 30, 2016 @04:07PM (#52421677) Homepage

    It's always nice to see the American Indian perspective on these things.

  • I love the summaries here at /.
    They get better every day!

    Elizabeth Warren, an American academic and member of the Democratic Party

    This is like saying "Paul Ryan, an American academic and member of the Republican Party"

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Maybe I'd take what Senators say more seriously if D.C. didn't have a history of bailing out big monopolies that lock out smaller competitors like the big three. It just comes off as disingenuous to me, as there is some ulterior motive at play.
    The cynic in me wonders if these tech companies aren't greasing the palms of the right people on the east coast.

  • If we ever enact statues against hypocrisy in this country, she'll be doing 50 to life.

    -jcr

    • OK, I checked them out. They are anti-First-Amendment, just like the law that was struck down by the court for being unconstitutional on the face of it.
  • Rope-a-dope (Score:2, Insightful)

    So a few weeks ago we hear stories all over ./ about Hillary (you shouldn't be able to buy a gun if you're being investigated by the FBI but running for the most powerful position on the planet is fine) getting really friendly with the big tech companies, in fact, if you look at who runs these companies and where they donate to you find they're already in bed with each other. http://www.businessinsider.com... [businessinsider.com] Now rides in the Native American (very white) knight to the rescue blasting the unfair competition

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