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Intel's Optane SSD Compatible With NVMe; Could Boost MacBook Storage Speeds By 1000x 76

More details have emerged about Intel's Optane, a new kind of memory and SSD that utilizes 3D Xpoint. The upcoming 3D Xpoint technology, which is supposedly 10 times denser than DRAM and 1,000 times faster than flash storage, will be compatible with NVMe, a storage protocol that allows an SSD to make effective use of a high-speed PCIe. Several MacBook Pro models already support NVMe technology. Apple is often among the first companies to adopt emerging standards and technologies, which has led many to believe that the Cupertino-based company might leverage Intel's Optane solid state drives for super fast performance speeds in its next batch of laptops. Apple is expected to announce the refreshed MacBook lineup sporting Intel Skylake processor later this year.
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Intel's Optane SSD Compatible With NVMe; Could Boost MacBook Storage Speeds By 1000x

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  • by pz ( 113803 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @12:01PM (#51684539) Journal

    And the technology won't benefit non-Apple computers?

    • by Anonymous Coward
      NVMe is making its arrival to PCs as well. Apple is just often among the first to adopt the coolest and most fresh hi-tech.
      • Re:Only Apple? (Score:5, Informative)

        by DRJlaw ( 946416 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @12:29PM (#51684643)

        NVMe is making its arrival to PCs as well. Apple is just often among the first to adopt the coolest and most fresh hi-tech.

        If by "among the first" you mean later than Dell [samsung.com] and pretty much at the same time as Asus [techpowerup.com], Gigabyte [gigabyte.com], MSI [msi.com], and every other first tier motherboard manufacturer.

        Search this list [laptopmedia.com] for laptops which had the interface well before Apple introduced it in their line.

        Among the first... more like among the all.

        • by epine ( 68316 )

          Apple has an insatiable appetite for being first off the mark in adopting the next jizz-worthy bling ...

          FTFY.

          Where they really move the industry needle is shaking off yesterday's abrasive crusties. I give them full marks for death of the floppy.

        • by Holi ( 250190 )
          Apple just recently added NVME support to OS X (beginning of this year). Windows has had support since 2014 and Linux has had it since 2012. I would say that's a strange definition of "Among the first", more like dead last.
      • Apple is just often among the first to adopt the coolest and most fresh hi-tech.

        Well, that didn't help 1394/Firewire become popular, sadly.

    • I think that the full headline should have been,
      Will Intel's optante cure cancer when they use next years apple computers to write legislation on comptuers 1000x faster? Ot maybe the headline should be
      Will a new generation of porn addiction begin when downloaded videos start 1000x faster using Intel's optane?

      • Intel's new Optane SSDs are so fast, you achieve orgasm even before your porn videos files are opened.

        • all i care about is: will it be fast enough for in-place execution? can we finally eliminate the need for ram AND storage? i like the idea of HP's "machine"

          • by Intron ( 870560 )

            all i care about is: will it be fast enough for in-place execution? can we finally eliminate the need for ram AND storage? i like the idea of HP's "machine"

            Since DRAM isn't fast enough for in-place execution, why do you care? All computers have multiple storage tiers: registers, cache, RAM, etc.

    • apple always come with new thing that's why i am loving apple
    • seriously im not sure if i am supposed to be excited about intels achievement, or that apple (might) usse this technology (sometime down the road)

      i expect this kind of post on a mac fanboi forum
    • And the technology won't benefit non-Apple computers?

      The drives will be faster than an I/O interrupt, but don't fret, your internet speed is the bottle neck. Oh wait, we are going to communicate via laser beam on fibre to the ISP.

  • by rasmusbr ( 2186518 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @12:21PM (#51684607)

    I'm pretty sure someone messed up the numbers, because they don't make any sense.

    The current MacBook Pro has an SSD that is only 10x slower than its RAM in terms of data rate (not in terms of latency of course). This new SSD would be 100x faster than the RAM, which would be pointless.

  • Sorry (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward

    Since when is disk/SSD speed the bottleneck for non-server systems?

    • by Anonymous Coward

      Ok, I'll bite.

      A lot of us use Laptops (luggables) as portable servers. With 32Gb of RAM and an i7 we can run many VM's.
      I'm working on one at the moment. 1 Oracle VM, 1 SQLServer VM, 2 Application VM's. Total Disk Space > 200Gb. My current laptop is an HP Elitebook. 17in Screen and 3.5Gb of SSD.
      The faster the storage the better IMHO.
      If apple would support 32Gb of Ram I'd move to a MacBook.
       

      • by Gr8Apes ( 679165 )
        With this new SSD performance, do you really need more RAM? Virtual RAM (ie, that "slow" disk based overflow) might support your needs. If you need 16GB+ in a single set of processes concurrently, then yes, 32 or 64GB is appealing. I'm running on 24GB and had considered 48GB, but after analyzing my usage parameters, I almost never hit swap with a couple of changes in habits and an upgrade to 10.10. (Safari and Firefox were notorious memory hogs, Safari is much much better in 10.10 - no I don't run Chrome sp
        • Shoot I am running 8 vms now. My cpu has not ever gone beyond 20% like ever lol. However, I got the i7 k series which do not support VT-d which means it uses software for disk access without IOMMU by can virtualize everything else with hyper-v. My host Win 8.1 reports a 390MS for disk access. My server 2k12R2 guests report 3250 MS latency.

          So a slower i5 with vt-x and vtd on a type 1 hypervisor can perform the best. I could trade my i7k to an i7S but I surprisingly do not need a faster cpu to my astonishment

          • by Gr8Apes ( 679165 )
            I regularly load my CPU to 1100%+ (yes, 12 virtual cores) for long periods of time. I guess it depends upon your work load types (Video processing) It's amazing how much time it takes to render some HD+ Camera video into a useable 10 minute video segment, for instance.
      • 'portable server'? I think you mean WORKSTATION. You dont 'lug' a server, you migrate it from one fixed location to another. You are running non-operational simulations on a workstation, you are not serving.
    • Since the time that processes claim at least the amount of ram as 'swap image' on the swap space.
      And: since the time that every tab in a web browser is its own process.

      So my 8GB ram laptop conquers 8GB of disk space for every process, browser tab or ordinary process.

      Luckily they don't use so much space and optimize usage. Nevertheless about 200GB of my 512GB flash SSD is occupied by 'processes' on the swap file.

      Nevertheless switching tabs is no longer instant but takes up to 3 seconds. Faster disks make tha

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Apple is often among the first companies to adopt emerging standards and technologies ... Apple is expected to announce the refreshed MacBook lineup sporting Intel Skylake processor later this year.

    Oh wow. And yet I can order a Lenovo T560 right now that has a Skylake processor (i7-6600U) and a PCIe-NVMe SSD (that can be easily swapped out for an Optane or any other NVMe SSD you want). Let me just wait until later this year for Apple to lead the way, though.

    • What counts as "among the first companies" though? Does 5th place still count?

      • What counts as "among the first companies" though? Does 5th place still count?

        They were among the first to adopt USB, and thunderbolt. They did lag a bit on USB2, but eh. So did most PCs. That they are using old CPUs right now doesn't really change that they are often among the first to adopt new technologies.

      • by Gondola ( 189182 )

        "Among the first" is weak language. It could feasibly refer to major hardware manufacturers or even operating systems (considering how few there are, that's a really weak statement, but still technically true.)

  • Eventually... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Areyoukiddingme ( 1289470 ) on Saturday March 12, 2016 @01:54PM (#51684995)

    The fanboy with stars in his eyes is completely ignoring the fact that Intel has shown first 3D XPoint products that are just twice as fast as flash-based SSDs. The 1000x density and speed factors he's slobbering over are projected ceilings, which will take years to achieve in actual hardware.

    • If you got a PC and want this SSD you'll have it, if you don't you won't. Free choice.

      Guess an alternative head-line would be:
      "Future Macbook buyers will be forced to buy ridiculously expensive SSD-drive"
      alternative
      "Finally! Now you can get an Intel Octane drive with your Macbook too!"
      Or
      "Why the fuck aren't the latest and greatest Macbooks equipped with .."

      Of course it's likely user-exchangeable in this case even in a Mac but you get the point...

    • The 1000x density and speed factors he's slobbering over are projected ceilings, which will take years to achieve in actual hardware.

      Ah, just like the 10 GHz P4 that was just on the horizon, as the Networst architecture was designed for clock speeds rather than real-life performance and efficiency.

  • by Anonymous Coward

    The fastest processors and GPU available three years ago. As long as you buy the most expensive product.

  • Apple is often among the first companies to adopt emerging standards and technologies, ... Apple is expected to announce the refreshed MacBook lineup sporting Intel Skylake processor later this year.

    Yes, Skylake. The technology that's been shipping since fall of last year.

Somebody ought to cross ball point pens with coat hangers so that the pens will multiply instead of disappear.

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