Apple Releases 2015 EEO-1 Diversity Data Over Weekend (qz.com) 112
theodp writes: Just days after it came under fire for dismissing a call for diversity as "unduly burdensome and not necessary," Apple quietly released its 2015 EEO-1 diversity report (dated 10/6/2015, reflects the 8/1 payroll). Like other tech companies' diversity disclosures, Apple's EEO-1 raw numbers can't really be reconciled to the percentages based on undisclosed raw numbers that grace the infographic-heavy diversity progress narrative CEO Tim Cook spoke to last August. As to why they keep two sets of diversity books, Apple explains, "The EEO-1 has not kept pace with changes in industry or the American workforce over the past half century. We believe the information we report elsewhere on this site is a far more accurate reflection of our progress toward diversity." Taking this stance allows Apple CEO Tim Cook to boast that "in the United States, we hired more than 2,200 Black employees — a 50 percent increase over last year," while ignoring Apple's EEO-1 report, which indicates that Black employees showed a year-over-year net increase of only 1,475 employees and accounted for only 1.9% of the 4,333 YOY net increase in "Professionals" at Apple (White employees accounted for 50.6%, Asian for 42.1%). If you want to check the math, Apple's EEO-1 data (typed in from the content-copy-not-allowed 2015 and 2014 PDFs) and additional charts can be found in this Tableau workbook.
Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:5, Insightful)
Given that whites are already underrepresented at Apple compared to their share of the US population, should Asians be terminated so more people of other colors (and whites) can be hired?
Re: Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:4, Insightful)
Diversity = no white males
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"Diversity" means *my idea* diversity, not your idea of diversity.
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How do you get from "it would be nice if you had a more representative workforce" to "it would be nice if you had an unrepresentative workforce that excludes white males"?
Opposition to diversity = feelings of inadequacy, because you know you suck too much to compete without an advantage. Look, you can't even form a reasoned, logical argument!
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Re: Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:4, Insightful)
A world where SJWism is correctly identified as a bigoted hate cult sounds quite nice to those of us grounded in reality.
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So you'll take the bigoted hate cult of SJWism over people pointing out that all racism and sexism is bad and harms all people.
Gotcha.
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Ask me how I know you're a bigot.
Doesn't make it right, no matter the target.
Hate ends when everyone learns to stop hating... you included.
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Exactly fewer Asians. Not sure how it is/was in the US of 'eh but in Canada they used to, if not still do, have quotas for number of visas available and from which countries/regions. Given how large the Asian population is in most metro areas I'm guessing they don't do it anymore (T.O. ~37% Asian, Vancouver 48%), though that could just be a simple matter of doing it but allocating the visas more fairly based on population of the region. Maybe tell Apple, Google and MS they can have the H1-Bs they want but o
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And yet, in fields dominated by women (education, childcare, nursing, human resources) we see practically zero push for diversity in order to hire more men.
Re:Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:5, Insightful)
And yet, in fields dominated by women (education, childcare, nursing, human resources) we see practically zero push for diversity in order to hire more men.
Actually, there is a push to get more men involved in early education. Boys, and especially black boys, tend to do significantly better if their teachers are male, and girls do no worse. Female teachers are four times as likely to refer boys to be medically evaluated for HDD. Males teachers are more likely to make the kid run some laps around the playground.
Re:Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, there is a push to get more men involved in early education. Boys, and especially black boys, tend to do significantly better if their teachers are male, and girls do no worse. Female teachers are four times as likely to refer boys to be medically evaluated for HDD. Males teachers are more likely to make the kid run some laps around the playground.
Of course young students need a male influence. It's a little difficult to imagine that the male is needed only for insemination purposes.
But you see, a male in a field like teaching is automatically assumed to be a pedophile, and in secondary education, considered a sure bet to be into underage girls.
Of course this is not true, and there are female pedophiles as well, but as a wise man once told me, Perception is indistinguishable from truth if everyone hold that perception.
If ladies think that seeing a photo of a playboy model's face or a dongle joke keeps them out of a field, they need to try the experience all of the mothers telling everyone that "There's something a little odd about that Mr Smith don't you think? I mean why would a grown man want to teach first graders?" And so it starts. It will take a societal change that isn't going to happen any time soon. There is no amount of money that they could pay me to be in a field where the "customers, and probably half the co-workers would assume I was using the classroom as a sexual partner procurement venue.
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Actually, any push to get more men involved in education is useless as long as the mere accusation of misconduct results in the male teacher losing their job and having their life ruined even when no evidence is present and all sane people agree it's a baseless accusation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/04/10/bc-teacher-suing-false-accusations_n_7042732.html
http://jezebel.com/5802627/teachers-life-upended-by-false-molestation-accusation
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Education is a minefield for men nowadays. It's gynocentric as hell.
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Are those two statements connected? Are you saying that being allegedly gynocentric makes it a minefield for men?
In the UK the experience has been that if you work to get rid of the stigma, much of it from other men, the problem corrects.
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Only if you buy into the idea that it's all men's fault and women have no agency, which is a load of crap. Women are just able to impose their own social and psychological dominance on men.
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Are you saying that women can't impose stigma about men? I would point out all those morning talk shows hosted by women as examples of a casually misandric culture, much of it created by feminism. That dynamic prevails in schools now, and it disadvantages boys by treating them and expecting them to behave like girls.
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The recent study done by the department for education in the UK got zero publicity.
It showed that female teachers mark a test result down by 3-4% simply because it has a boy's name on it.
There was no corresponding effect for male teachers - they marked fairly.
No-one seemed to ask the obvious question: why have we allowed feminists to take over the education system and actively damage the prospect of young boys?
Follow up question: what do we intend to do about it? I'm guessing the answer is... nothing.. cos
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There are also efforts to get more men involved in nursing.
These dudes who say "men aren't being recruited" are intentionally pushing an agenda and ignoring reality to do so.
Re: Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:1)
Why don't female teachers recommend SSDs instead? Much more efficient!
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You also might notice, women aren't making a huge push for "diversity" across other male dominated fields, like garbage truck driver. I don't see Google throwing around millions of dollars to train girls how to be welders. This shit isn't about diversity, it's about driving wages down across the board.
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I don't see Google throwing around millions of dollars to train girls how to be welders.
I don't see them spending a single cent for males to be welders either. If that's the best you can do...
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Well, if you're going to be specific like that, perhaps not. But among professional drivers (notably, truck drivers) there is an increase in female drivers. And the work is hard.
And Google doesn't need to incr
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There's a push to get men into nursing. For pragmatic reasons, though, not social-crusader type reasons.
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And yet, in fields dominated by women (education, childcare, nursing, human resources) we see practically zero push for diversity in order to hire more men.
Let me guess: you got your job because of a push to hire more blind people.
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Under-represented to what? To their percentage in the state population? The country? The continent? The world?
State or country. White a probably under-represented. Hire more White!
The world? Fire all the Jews and hire only Asian from now on.
Diversity is stupid. This representation bullshit is trash. Put it where it belong with all the other SJW non-sense.
Re: Need to replace Asians with everyone else? (Score:2)
When hiring, whites (jews excluded) will attempt to not discriminate based on race, but will still have a slight bias to prefer other whites.
Other races, however, will outright prefer hiring the same race as them.
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Oh, yes, it's even worse than the numbers indicate; the racial diversity numbers are given only for US nationals, and most tech companies include a considerable number of employees on work visas; most of those employees are non-white.
But, what we white people lack in numbers, we make up for in deviltry. We are, after all, the original sin and t
As a cis white male (Score:1)
I expect a beer from my Asian colleagues for taking the brunt of the scapegoating.
Why is this important? (Score:1)
The real question is why this is even an issue in the first place, and why does a corporation need to collect and record a persons race? Is it really any of their fucking business?
Re:Why is this important? (Score:5, Informative)
Because dividing people is one of the routes to power. Here's the plan:
1. Find a population of people who are doing adequately. Not perfectly, but they're getting by.
2. Divide them into 2 groups. Encourage one group to hate the other. Hatred between the groups can be based on
- Fictional stories
- True stories of bad things that happened to people who died a very long time ago
- Envy
- Minor problems hyped up into a major drama
- Entitlement mentality
- Or something else. It's not hard. People hating each other is built into human nature.
3. Lead (or "organize") one of the groups against the other. Viola! You're the leader, you have power. Now you can use your power to demand payments -- which you'll get to keep a large part of.
That's what "organizers" do. They're fighting for you!
That's why employees must be categorized by ethnicity.
Re:Why is this important? (Score:4, Insightful)
Furthermore, there's a certain word you will want to use when encouraging people to hate each other. Hatred makes people want to hurt their enemies. But people don't like to think of themselves as evil. And intending to harm others seems evil to people (because it is). So you need a way to make it good to hurt people rather than evil.
Fortunately for you, there's a ready-made concept that solves your problem perfectly: justice. You can hurt whomever you wish and still call yourself a hero simply by declaring it justice. There's nothing quite like justice to quiet the nagging voices of morals and ethics.
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When hurting people is called justice and not hurting people is called injustice, a good person should side with not hurting people, regardless of the label and any surrounding storytelling. Because hurting people is evil.
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2. Give one of them a red lab coat.
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It's also a classic strategy for the ruling class to keep attention away from their own misdeeds and weaken the population's ability to effectively criticize or hold them accountable: Divide and rule [wikipedia.org]. In more recent history, the British Empire were masters at it (with some of their instigated divisions still raging), but it's been consistently throughout history.
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Outrageous (Score:3)
How dare Apple call something that is unduly burdensome and not necessary, "unduly burdensome and not necessary".
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Apple Princess In Charge can't create, and now it appears can't count. Maybe Princess should take his crap somewhere else, more rewarding like Sri Lanka?
You seem to be fixated on thinking about him as a Disney Princess, eh?
No one cares about that shit any more. 'cept you and Kim Davis.
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Sorry American, your to Stupid to know; just ask the princess.
Sorry American, you're to Stupid to know; just ask the princess. (Damn spell checkers. An American product?)
Congratulations, LifesABeach - you've got more than one mistake in there, and still missing one of them.
Thank you kindly for the laugh.
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Burdensome and unnecessary* for them perhaps, but so are many laws, regulations, safety standards etc. We still expect them to make the effort.
* Actually diversity benefits companies, so really they are just wasting money by sucking at it.
Apple seems to hire them (Score:2)
From the few people I know who have worked at Apple, Apple does not just hire from the top schools at all or those with a heavy academic background only...
I'm thinking Google must hire pretty much anyone at this point too, I think at one point they only hired PHd's but there's no way they could expand as they have keeping up that kind of criteria.
Where the hell is the article? (Score:2)
I clicked every dang link in that summary and couldn't figure out what the source article was. If this is your own personal research, have the decency to sum it up in a blog post instead of jamming it into the slashdot summary.
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http://qz.com/594920/apples-mo... [qz.com]
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See, it's shitstains like you that cause the problems. If we could just get the bigots to shut the fuck up and quit agitating everyone maybe we could fix some things but nooooooooooooo! Dickweeds like you pop out of the woodwork like cockroaches every single time. We've got you idiots on one side and Jesse and Al on the other.
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So you think trying to hire qualified minorities is the same as trying to find monkeys that can do math? Really?
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Die already. Just die.
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Race? Gender? (Score:2, Funny)
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Because white males, unlike males of any other race or etnicity, are completely unable to explain inclusiveness if there are no token-vagina's and people of colour to help them along? Is that what you're implying? Because that would be immeasurably stupid.
Re: Race? Gender? (Score:1)
Because it's totally acceptable to make jokes about white men who aren't 20-somethings?
Who were these men and why were they chosen to give that talk? Did they have some special qualifications? Is their race, gender, or (especially around here) age a disqualifier for being able to speak on a topic?
See, I usually laugh when the diversity speech is always given by minorities who were obviously selected for the task because of their skin color. They're usually the same ones who were selected for their actual
How would hiring Tiger Woods count? (Score:2)
This idea of race is increasingly becoming irrelevant.
If you want a better metric, for the purpose of mitigating disadvantage, you should count every employee multiplied by a factor between 0 and 1 based on the economic and academic status of their parents.
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what are they supposed to be? (Score:2)
So, what are those numbers even "supposed" to be? The "white" percentage is way below US population averages, and likely between US customer demographics. Depending on how big Apple is in Asia, the current statistics may well represent Apple's worldwide customer base.
Can some progressive expert in the calculus of intersectionality and race explain what the percentages ought to be and why?
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.... what the percentages ought to be and why?
Pondering the implications of using such a metric for hiring... and it's not pretty.
Pure polemic (Score:2)
"Shareholders request that the Board of Directors adopt an accelerated recruitment policy requiring Apple Inc. (the âoeCompanyâ) to increase the diversity of senior management and its board of directors, two bodies that presently fails to adequately represent diversity (particularly Hispanic, African-American, Native-American and othe
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My dad says "colored" to refer to black people... it makes me cringe, but he's a remnant of his generation (raised in the 1930s). But then in PC America, calling black people black instead of "African Americans" makes a lot of other people cringe. It makes me cringe when the news refers to blacks in other countries as "African Americans."
So, yeah, in PC America, the demographics in a company must match the demographics of the country, otherwise they're "racists." Nobody wants equal opportunity any more..
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I know, but black people consider the use of the word "colored" to be racist, and I agree - it's as if white people are "normal," and other races are colored. It only makes me cringe because I know he only uses it to be anti-pc. NAACP is caught up in their own PC.
Arsenio Hall had a joke way back when that the reason they don't change NAACP to NAAAA is because people would call it "nah."
What can a company do? (Score:2)
That takes real skills and smarts. Good branding and profits per device needs the best staff.
How to get the very best people for the job?
Find people who have had access to study and who had the freedom to learn to like and enjoy further education.
Good new reading material, small class sizes, new equipment, professional teachers who could advance lea
Let's fast-forward to (Score:2)
Unduly burdensome and not necessary .. (Score:1)
TJ Rodgers on Diversity (Score:1)