Apple Watch Still Waiting On App Developers 213
An anonymous reader writes: It's been almost three months since the Apple Watch launched, and the tiny device hasn't taken people's wrists by storm. That's not to say it's a failure — experts estimate Apple has sold between three and five million of them, and we may get more detailed sales information during their earnings call, tomorrow. But many major app developers are still missing from the Watch's catalog, and Apple doesn't have a good way of roping them into the new section of its ecosystem. "I don't know if we could get it all in there in a way that feels good and works well," said a Facebook executive. "Why would you look at a small picture when you can look at a large one on your phone?" said Snapchat's CEO. The app rush that hit phones and tablets is dampened for the Watch. For now, all Apple can do is improve their development toolkit and hope coders can figure out useful new wrist-based interactions.
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Apple Watch is still a solution in search of a problem.
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I dunno. As an extension of your iPhone, it does fit in a niche. It's probably handy to use to see notifications, maybe some status updates, check in on real time data like weather, and to quickly check the current time like any other watch. It can probably serve as an always-connected fit bit or something like that.
But I agree that it is a solution looking for a problem. In the larger picture, I just don't see the form factor being conducive to a significant variety of applications. So it's useful to a subset of the population but not a must-have for most. And that will prevent it from being a runaway success. That is, until they can find a "killer app" that everyone wants to have. And I'm sure many people are working on ideas for that. Maybe someone will find that problem to solve. Maybe not. Even if they don't, I think enough people will find it useful enough to justify buying it and I think Apple will at least make their money back on the development costs.
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The thing is great for the reasons that you mention. I also like how it shows my next appointment right on the watch face. but all the apps have been stoopid. I have yet to find any benefit of the apps that outweight the inconvenience of taking the phone out of my pocket.
things will change as the watch becomes untethered from the iphone. first, over wifi, and then with a cellular connection. that's when the benefits really grow.
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What benefits? I'm not being snarky, I'm genuinely curious. What would you want an untethered wrist-worn computer to do? I can't think of anything, myself. It'd be nice to get notifications and texts, but the form factor is too small to actually respond to them. Maybe if voice recognition technology improved by a couple orders of magnitude it'd be
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one benefit is severing the umbilical cord to your phone. on my watch I get to see text message notifications, email notifications. I can reply if needed with simple responses or voice (which works pretty good). I can take a call if needed. but there's not the temptation of surfing facebook or Slashdot or playing candy crush or whatever. it as a small footprint in my life, filling the basics but freeing me to focus on other things. it's kind of the same argument as a laptop vs. a desktop and a phone vs. a l
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It would be nice to be able to leave the big phone at home when going for a run, hike, swim, bike ride or such activity, and have the watch able to work by itself for things like fitness tracking, GPS tracking, text messages, making an emergency call, etc. In those cases, simple canned text responses work just fine, and voice-to-text would be a welcome added feature.
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And when you encounter gangbangers or a heart attack on the running trail, you're going to wish you had brought the "big phone" along too.
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The way cell phone companies work, yeah probably would be at least an add-on to your bill. Like adding a tablet to your data plan. But it would be great if it were set up so that you can only use one or the other at a time on the cell network, either automatically or by manual selection on the device.
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oh, and it would be at no additional cost to me. sounds crazy, but amazon did manage to negotiate that with the carriers at one point.
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Most developers haven't figured out how to make a watch app *work*. I like Zillow, Redfin, and ZonePlayer (a Sonos remote). The rest of my third party apps are a disappointment. The apps all require the developer to re-think what the app needs to do on the watch, and how to use the space effectively. If they aren't making money off of it, why bother. Advertising would be hard, and getting the word out is very tricky with the much smaller installed base.
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For those who justify their lives through status updates and being in the know of their current circle of friends it's convenient.
Otherwise its just another gizmo that will take your attention away from what you are currently trying to focus on. I've hired many young programmers over the last 3 years and a few of them were so easily distracted by their existing device that I had to constantly remind them to focus on the task at hand. One of them actually had a Android based watch. Let it be known that they
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iOS doesn't allow Android-style widgets on the phone - only on the watch, so there is an [artificial] niche to fill.
The big problem is risk management, though. Apple was quite permissive when only 5 million iPhones were on the market. Over time they tightened their grip. Now developers need to ask if they can afford to put their money into an iWatch app only to have Apple capriciously ban it and wipe out their investment - all for a tiny niche market.
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iOS doesn't allow Android-style widgets on the phone
iOS developers have been able to add custom widgets to the Today view (easily visible in lock screen) for some time now.
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All of the things mentioned by the parent can be done for $200 with the MS Band.....sure, it's not as pretty, but functionally, it's all there (and works on all platforms). Or you can do all of that with an Android watch for various different price points (but not necessarily on iOS).
I have the MS Band and I pretty much bought it just to be able to do what he mentioned --- have notifications on my wrist. Of course, I'm on Windows Phone and it was my only compatible options, otherwise, I likely would have
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There is a third party blue tooth computer display (Wahoo Fitness Reflekt), but I haven't bought one yet. The reviews on it are so so, thus I haven't dropped the $120 for it. However, the Apple watch will display all my stats on my wrist. It works with Strava, so I will be satisfied. So I am likely to buy it solely for bicycling. The problems the watch will solve are out there, but they will take time to mature.
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I believe hipster would be the correct label.
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I can't tell if you're serious, but in any case cyclist's shirts have pockets along the lower hem on the back because they are out of the way when you lean forward and because pockets on your legs would be difficult to used due to leg movement. It has nothing to do with fashion and everything to do with function.
Agree with the rest of your comment though -- bike computers that do everything have been on the market for decades. Not to mention existing fitness watches that also fill the same market.
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Your comment helps support my assertion that the OP's market is a niche market at best. I am not an avid cyclist and had no idea there were special shirts just for cyclist with pockets on their backs. I am into fitness and workout regularly so I am not completely unfamiliar with athletic apparel.
Never watched tour de france, or other cycling event? This is where they keep water bottles if they don't empty and throw them away immediately.
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I don't know if the numbers will ever be in the gazillions. It is a good fit for me though. I used to wear watches which were as much jewelry as functional timepieces. I stopped wearing them when I retired and would simply pull my phone out of my pocket to see what time it was.
However, I do a lot of hiking and play a lot of golf where I walk the course.
I was looking at the purpose-built devices from Garmin and others to do distance and fitness tracking but was hesitant to spend the money to get the features
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Wrong, Apple Watch is solutions that make sense (Score:2)
I don't see it as a problem that every app maker does not have an Apple Watch app, because not every application NEEDS an Apple Watch app. The Apple watch is not "searching for a problem", it has some very specific things it does that solve problems better than the phone does. But because of the narrow focus not every app will need to be on the watch.
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It stops being a solution at 10PM until you wallhug.
My watch (Citizen Blue Angler Skyhawk) has never required a recharge since I got it. Yep: it can tell time at 3AM.
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And like *I* said in the post you responded to, if you do forget you charge it while in the shower and that's enough to last the day easily.
In my experience 15 minutes of charging doesn't get it through the day, it isn't a magical battery that only need a few minutes charge a day.
But since all they do is track fitness they are inherently a niche market. There are many, many people who don't want to wear something that ONLY tracks fitness.
Actually most do more than that.
What's it's "killer app"?
You are someone who cannot see the forest for the trees. The killer app is metaphorically the forest.
No I'm just asking what you think its "killer app" is and you're trying to spin it off as a "the killer app is whatever you think it is" to avoid the question.
Or think of it this way - what is the "killer app" for the Computer?
In the business case it was spreadsheets, for the home user it was mostly web browsing and email.
The Smartphone?
Predominantly mobile web browsing and social networking. But the early ones it was
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No, the problem is real, just artificial.
The problem is that people are buying big-ass phones with big-ass screens, which is great if you're playing videogames or watching movies. However ,they didn't buy a game console or a media player, they bought a phone.
And then they realize just how inconveniently big it is if you want to stay in touch or in the loop. So now they can't put their phone in a convenient location, so they put it in their bag, or one o
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How does an Apple watch owner know it's midday? (Score:5, Funny)
The battery has gone flat :P
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actually, my battery lasts a really long time. definitely full day, and often two days in the instances where I forgot to charge. although that gets a little dicey towards the end.
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I'm not surprised, it looks to be running at one mega flop!
Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.
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No one wants to see ads on their wrist.
No one wants to see ads anywhere, ever.
Doesn't seem to stop the advertisers, though.
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It's not the advertisers, it's the consumers. Consumers won't pay for a monthly subscription to Facebook and or for a search engine (Although businesses would).
The current model for making online services that aren't niche is to monetize them through advertisement. This is especially true if you want the young generation's attention.
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So people want Yellow Pages?
Maybe Apple Watch is a failure... (Score:5, Insightful)
It's been almost three months since the Apple Watch launched, and the tiny device hasn't taken people's wrists by storm. That's not to say it's a failure
Whether it is a failure or not depends upon Apple's expectations for the device.
If Apple Watch is selling at a rate of only one-tenth of what Apple expected, then it is indeed a failure.
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This might bet the point at which Apple without Jobs falters.
You can't introduce the "revolutionary" new product and not have the killer use-case for it. You can't release "teh smartwatch" and have no idea of WTF people will use it for.
Wow, the ability to see my text messages without looking at my phone? Nope, not compelling.
The smartwatch has always felt like a gimmick with little utility for most people.
And this got cemented when they were selling the gold plated "gee but I'm a rich asshole" version. I'm pretty sure I've never heard a single person who could finish the sentence "I want a smart watch because ..." with anything substantive.
Android or Apple, I don't see any value in splashing out for something which they still are hoping someone will create the thing which makes it useful.
Sorry, no. Increasingly mobile consumer electronics are just vehicles for ads, analytics, and giving up my privacy ... and any app which makes use of this is more of the same. Some of us are moving to less digital crap in our lives, and not more.
This falls firmly in the camp of no defined purpose, no benefit, and not getting my money.
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You can't introduce the "revolutionary" new product and not have the killer use-case for it.
Of course you can. VisiCalc didn't come along until 2 years after the Apple II debuted. PageMaker didn't come along until a year after the Apple Mac. And those were the killer apps for those computers.
I'm not sure what would count as the killer app for the PC. Maybe Microsoft Word? That was probably the most used app before the internet came along. Well the first version of Microsoft Word came along 2 years after the first IBM PC.
The smartwatch has always felt like a gimmick with little utility for most people.
I think that's fair. The question is: is the minority that does one big enough to make it a worthwhile product. And failing that, will there be a killer app that comes along later that does make the majority want one.
We'll know the answer to the first question tomorrow. Might take a couple of years for the second.
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"I'm not sure what would count as the killer app for the PC"
Spreadsheets. (Lotus Notes, Excel etc).
As far as word processing is concerned, in my time something called WordPerfect was the market leader.
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> I'm not sure what would count as the killer app for the PC.
Lotus 123 Spreadsheet.
Later it got nuked by Excel, but that thing made IBM rich.
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The web browser would have to be high on the list. PC ownership exploded with the web. But there are a lot of things that drive growth (business products, games etc etc). But I would say the web made the pc a must have item.
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... Increasingly mobile consumer electronics are just vehicles for ads, analytics, and giving up my privacy ... and any app which makes use of this is more of the same....
So I'm not the only person who thinks that apps on mobile devices are written more for the purpose of user data harvesting than anything else.
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Well a few responses....
1. If you look at Apple's stock price, revenue, and profit since Cook took over, Apple clearly hasn't "faltered".
2. Even before the iPhone came out, the phone market was clearly the largest consumer tech category. In other words, there is no conceivable electronic market that is going to be larger than the phone market in the foreseeable future. The watch couldn't hope to be as larger as the iPhone market.
3. The watch does
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This might bet the point at which Apple without Jobs falters.
You can't introduce the "revolutionary" new product and not have the killer use-case for it. You can't release "teh smartwatch" and have no idea of WTF people will use it for.
You know that this is exactly what Apple did with the iPhone, right? The original iPhone was just a glorified iPod until Apple allowed 3rd party developers to start writing their own apps. I rarely use any of the software that originally shipped with the iPhone - the only exceptions being the texting app and the calendar app.
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I am going to write a app that integrates with our company's conference management system. We have an onsite system that allows us to push the start of sessions and talks and such. I think for these things it is actually useful to have this on your wrist, but it is not so important (or complicated) that I am going to spend a lot of time on the problem.
It is more of a piece of bling that makes our software look cool on paper. "Look! It also supports Apple Watch! All you hipster attendees will go through the
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyV_UG60dD4 [youtube.com]
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> maximized our mobile synergy paradigm
Same here, sort of. But the upside is that I get to play with an Apple watch, so it ain't all bad...
Pebble Time (Score:5, Interesting)
Meanwhile, my Pebble Time, which was recently released, has a ton of apps on it. And it lasts for 7 days, is 30m water proof, has an accelerometer for fitness or sleep tracking, and a microphone for text responding or other features. Oh, and a color display.
It connects to Android AND Apple devices. I can control music from it, read texts, check my calendar, and something else too, I can't quite remember, I think it has to do with a clock.. Oh well.
Why would I want an Apple Watch for more than twice the cost again?
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Which of the "tons of apps" do you actually use? I'm trying find a reason to buy a smart watch (of whatever variety) but I just haven't found a use case that justifies the cost.
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I have a Pebble Time, and an Apple Watch (I'm developing apps for both).
I tried using the Pebble Time exclusively for a week, but it's just not as useful as the watch...
The Apple Watch apps are better (even with the simpler API of WatchOS 1.0), and I am pretty sure there are more of them than Time apps.
The biggest issues though is the integration of the Apple Watch just makes it more useful - with the Pebble Time, any notification goes through to the watch. With the Apple Watch, I have carefully narrowed t
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with the Pebble Time, any notification goes through to the watch
Does the iOS Pebble Time app not have this screen [imgur.com]? On Android, at least, you can choose which apps send notifications to the watch. Funny, though, one of the first review videos I watched for the Apple Watch complained that notifications were all-or-nothing; when did Apple begin allowing you to control that?
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Does the iOS Pebble Time app not have this screen?
Not that I can tell, apps on IOS cannot control the routing of notifications.
one of the first review videos I watched for the Apple Watch complained that notifications were all-or-nothing; when did Apple begin allowing you to control that?
From launch of the device, you can also control what apps that have Apple Watch apps show up on the device also. I'm not sure how they could possibly miss it since "Notifications" is at the top level of the Apple Watch co
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Not that I can tell, apps on IOS cannot control the routing of notifications.
Sad, because I've met most of the pebble team and they all have iPhones. That would be an Apple-imposed limitation, then, as there's no way the iOS-loving Pebble team would give us Android users that functionality and not implement it for themselves if possible. Just like the Pebble Time microphone being useless on iOS; it's certainly useful on Android, but Apple doesn't allow actionable notifications on iOS, except from their own watch.
In other words, the Apple Watch is only better on iOS because Apple d
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That would be an Apple-imposed limitation
Yes, for sure it is, they are dong what they can. But it's also a security issue for applications to be able to intercept notifications for any app in the system... I think the Apple security choice in this case is a good one that protects users more than it limits them.
However for this specific problem I was thinking, why can't Pebble filter it out on the watch side? I think along with the notifications they get bundle ID's of the app the notification is from and
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Looks like a much better watch hybrid, though I don't remember having a 64 color display since the 80s (actually went 16->256) it should do just fine for non-photo/video use. But boy, is that a lot of bezel.
Apple Watch: 1.53" display in 42x35.9mm case.
Pebble Time: 1.25" display in 40.5x37.5mm case.
Don't know if that's the display technology or just an availability/price issue, but since space is such an extremely limited commodity on a watch I'm surprised they didn't go with a bigger display. If they cou
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So... what's the difference? What are you getting when you trade a Pebble for an Apple Watch? Do those features make-up for the trade-offs, like the dramatically reduced battery life? What about the difference in price?
From what I've seen, the Apple watch does less and costs more.
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Battery life is not a problem if you charge it each night.
And how do you propose I do that if I'm using it for sleep tracking?
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Charge it for two hours at some other point in the day. Not rocket science...
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Why wouldn't you rush out to develop? (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Buy the Apple Watch
2) Spend days or weeks of work developing an app
3) Cross your fingers to hope it goes in Apple's store
4) See your app listed with dozens of others just like it including about a dozen free options
5) ???
6) Profit!
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Obligatory XKCD [xkcd.com]
I'll go out of my way to not buy a smart watch. It's uncomfortable to have something around your wrist, especially while typing. What the heck are you doing all day that you constantly need to know what time it is, or what the stock prices are, or what the weather is? A smartphone is accessed just as quickly as a pocket watch and will notify you when your appointments are coming up. Telling me what time it is before I need to know just makes me worry about what's coming up instead of focusing on what's going on right now.
Nuts to that. Less is more. Even once we have augmented reality, it shouldn't be popping up useless numbers and text - it should be seamless and unobtrusive, with the "killer apps" removing useless information like billboards from the world.
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I'll go out of my way to not buy a watch . It's uncomfortable to have something around your wrist. What the heck are you doing all day that you constantly need to know what time it is? A a pocket watch will tell you the time. Telling me what time it is before I need to know just makes me worry about what's coming up instead of focusing on what's going on right now.
Nuts to that. Less is more.
maybe it's helpful for you that I edit your response and show what a nonsense argument it is.
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I'd have to say that does more to support the GP's point, than to refute it - Do you see a lot of people under 50 wearing watches?
Wrist watches have a tiny bit more utility than pocket watches; but once everyone had a de facto pocket watch on them at all times (aka a cell phone), most people saw no need to carry both. Wrist watches have effectively gone the way of the dodo, except for one niche purpose: Statu
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It's hard to justify (Score:2)
It's hard to justify spending $350 or more on a device that is hobbled by poor battery life, needs to tether to an iPhone 5 or later. And to top it off, the heart rate sensor returns false information intentionally and the oxygen sensor is not enabled. I won't delve into it not working with Android devices simply because it is an Apple product.
The device is a 1.0 model. And, like most 1.0 models, it has flaws. The flaws listed above will keep all but the purest Apple devote away. Our household is predo
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I expected the battery to be a problem, but in practice, I have 60% left at the end of the day.
I guess this is at least in part because I don't find much reason to use the watch beyond the activity tracking.
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Yeah, right after we develop some WiiU games (Score:2)
"Got to get these WiiU games out the door first, then we'll be right with you," said devs.
Just not useful for apps (Score:5, Interesting)
Background
- I'm a developer on iOS.
- My apps seem like good fits for apple watch (VLC Remote and VLC Streamer).
- I wear an apple watch.
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Approximately nobody uses my apple watch app.
I don't use any apple watch apps.
My thoughts:
Having bought the watch, I can see why. It just isn't useful for quick interactions.
The default setting on the watch is that when you drop your wrist, it resets to the watch face, so every time you lift your wrist, you need to go to the launcher, find the app, launch it (wait some seconds) and then interact with the small screen.
There is an option to make the watch return to the point you left in the app - but in most cases, that isn't what you want for your watch. You do want it to show you the time when you lift your wrist 10 mins after you last used it.
On top of this, the things that could be useful like siri interaction are weak. Siri just doesn't work nearly as well as google now.
I keep wearing the watch because I like the activity monitor, but I don't even use my own apple watch apps.
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oh - also, notifications are kinda useful on your watch.
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oh - also, notifications are kinda useful on your watch.
I think this is where Android Wear got it right. Wear does allow you to open and use on-watch apps, but that's clearly not the intended primary user experience. Instead, everything is design around notifications where you get an instant alert on your wrist, plus an easy way to interact more deeply with the notification if you want. The ability to operate some simple apps without the phone present is another advantage. I use my watch to play music through Bluetooth headphones while I'm running. I like not ha
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My Android Wear watch -- the Moto 360 -- has the perfect blend of notifications and customizability. I can use apps if I want to -- and the one I use most frequently is a simple "flashlight" app that lights up my
Apple Watch is useful for quick interactions.... (Score:3)
The Apple Watch is useful for quick interactions - in the context of a longer activity, where it makes sense to lock in the screen on raise to the current app.
Going forward your own remote app will make more sense when you can tie into a complication, so the user can just raise the wrist, tap on the complication showing current play time and then open the app to control. It's really easy to set up multiple watch faces you switch between so I see where users would set up task specific faces that would let t
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Someone should try writing a watch app for it (Score:2)
Hey. Just saying.
Notifications + Custom Watch faces. (Score:2)
That's what I want and love about my Android Wear watch. You don't really need it for anything else.
Or...they could contract developers. (Score:2)
>> For now, all Apple can do is improve their development toolkit and hope coders can figure out useful new wrist-based interactions.
Or, they could take their famous mountains of cash and contract developers to write the "missing" apps for their watch. But if that's too much of a gamble for Apple...
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Don't hold your breath (Score:2)
If you want to know the future of the Apple Watch, look at the history of the calculator watch. Once the "wow factor" wears off, it will be relegated to the wrists of virgins.
All smartwatches are waiting... (Score:2)
Pebble is the only one that makes it trivial to program for, you dont even have to install an IDE or software to write for it.
Apple watch and the Google wear watches all suffer from the same problem The killer apps for them, Health apps like Glucose monitoring and other health apps that are useful are blocked by the idiots at the FDA. Get an affordable non invasive Glucose monitor and an app on the phone and watch for this and you can make a huge change in someone's life.
Honestly the killer apps are med
Not that many apps needed ... (Score:2)
I've had a Samsung Gear 2 watch now for about a year. I really like it, and don't leave home without it. It has enough conveniences that if it breaks, or I've had it long enough, I'll get another one.
But ...
It's not enough to get someone to switch phone types, and neither is the iWatch. Mostly because, with such a small screen, the number of apps is limited. It's not suitable for reading more than a few paragraphs. It's not suitable for typing (other than voice dictation). It's not useful for web browsing.
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Because to look at pictures on your desktop you have to be at your desk. That has proved to be enough of a reason for a large audience. What does the smartwatch give you that the phone doesn't?
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Why, a smaller screen, a wrist strap, and a device you have no idea what to do with but which you can try to brag to your friends about.
My guess is for a VERY large majority of people the smartwatch doesn't offer much of anything other than bragging rights.
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And my point is that drawing an analogy between desktop to phone and phone to watch doesn't work, because while there is a noticeable gain in convenience from a desktop to a phone, I have yet to hear how moving from the phone to a watch increases convenience. B
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The Snapchat CEO has a good point. Why would I look at the tiny picture on a phone when I can look at a big one on my desktop?
He's probably wrong, though. People are both dumber than a box of rocks and richer than they deserve to be. This is why fools and their money are soon parted. They'll pay for the watch, they'll pay for the apps, and they'll be no better off for it. It just takes a little time, that's all.
agreed [dilbert.com]
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that would be awesome if you excused yourself from a meeting at work because you got a shapchat message.
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Is it just me that can't really get behind a company that releases a product that nobody except themselves can actually write an app for, and having to wait for "WatchOS 2" (possibly the dumbest construction I've ever heard of, seriously, it sounds like something out of a spoof) in order to get the tools to do useful stuff on the watch?
I read somewhere that Apple didn't allow you to make apps that have a watch face on them. Kinda blows out quite a lot of ideas before you even start.
Typical Apple - let's se