Russia Takes Down Steve Jobs Memorial After Apple's Tim Cook Comes Out 430
An anonymous reader writes Citing the need to abide by a law combating "gay propaganda," a memorial dedicated to the late Apple founder Steve Jobs has been torn down. This comes on the heels of new CEO Tim Cook coming out as gay. "In Russia, gay propaganda and other sexual perversions among minors are prohibited by law," ZEFS (a Russian group of companies that originally erected the statue) said, noting that the memorial had been "in an area of direct access for young students and scholars". "After Apple CEO Tim Cook publicly called for sodomy, the monument was taken down to abide to the Russian federal law protecting children from information promoting denial of traditional family values."
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After Apple CEO Tim Cook publicly called for sodomy
I know this is terrible and all, but as someone completely unaffected by this (not an apple fanboy, russian or gay) I find some kind of weird surreal humour in the whole thing.
Mr Putin says there is no discrimination against gay people in Russia and the law was needed only to protect young people
Like, how do you even reach this point of reasoning.
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I know I turned gay when I heard Tim Cook came out! Wait... that's not how human sexuality works.
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Then how does it work? Please cite sources.
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YOU will get the tip. ;)
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YOU will get the tip. ;)
no no feeex thaaat for yuuu
in Putin's Russia you get the teeep
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90% of the free rape porn on xvideos features Russians.
But is good, healthy heterosexual rape!
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"If the pizzaman truly loves this babysitter, why does he keep slapping her rear?" (beat) "Perhaps she's done something wrong..."
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Castiel thats not how you watch porn!
Caption : fetish
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I don't think the bite thing is how it works, that's zombies.
I think it works by if you "suck one dick" and then, well, you're gay from then on.
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No I thought it was like vampires where first they have to drain your dick and then you have to drink from theirs to be converted to a gay.
That's why I'm only bisexual. I sucked his dick but he didn't suck mine, and I've since only sucked the dicks of guys who hadn't sucked mine, or had my dick sucked by guys who I hadn't sucked, so I remain perpetually on the verge between the straight world and the gay. I'm like Gay Blade.
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. I'm like Gay Blade.
Ah, the both-sides-of-the-aisle-walker.
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Then how does it work? Please cite sources.
Please refer to Apples UI source code.
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+5 Funny? I was actually serious.
"However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality." [psychiatry.org]
Saying that's not how it works implies you know how it works. Please cite sources.
I love how hilarity comes out of misinterpreted comments on the interwebs. It's lovely. I now see the humor in my comment. Still, Please cite sources.
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"However, to date there are no replicated scientific studies supporting any specific biological etiology for homosexuality."
A simple thought experiment to see if homosexuality is a choice: If it really is a choice, try being gay for a week. Try engaging in gay physical intimacy with another man.
Q.E.D.
Caveat: For a bisexual, this won't be a problem. For a heterosexual, it will be extremely difficult if not impossible. I suspect those who believe homosexuality is a choice are probably bisexuals.
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Your thought experiment is fruitless because there is no discernible way to tell if people could choose because they are bisexual or because sexuality is a choice. Or that if they can't "choose", if it's because it's not a choice, or if it's because of their psychology regarding the issue regarding any of the possible factors that make humans choose what they choose growing up.
In other words, the thought experiment is pointless without the very information that quote says we don't have.
Humans psychology is
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You're overthinking it.
I'm heterosexual. I cannot choose to be sexually attracted to other men, I'm just not attracted to them. Whether this is caused by psychological reasons, the chemical environment in my mother's womb, or genetic factors is irrelevant. I cannot choose.
It should be pointed out that the choice thing is really a red herring. If homosexuality were a choice, that would still be no reason to persecute gay people.
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lool fox news report on how afghans are gay. you're an excellent troll.
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This is not much different from any other situation where women are rare to non-existant(prison, the front lines of a war etc). In these situations men often engage in what is referred to as "trade", but of course none of them wants to label themselves homosexual because:
a) homosexuality is taboo and/or illegal where they come from and/or
b) they aren't actually gay, they are only engaging in homosexual behavior because that's all they have available to them.
It doesn't surprise me at all that men in Afghanistan are having sex with each other but not declaring themselves to be gay.....
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That being said, the claim you so casually dismiss is actually true. Afghan society is interesting in many ways.
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" and is nothing more or less than a rejection of normality and moral traditions." but that bit is complete crap, you should get a job at fox news
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Saying that's not how it works implies you know how it works.
Not true. There are many things of which I know how they don't work without knowing how they work. Before the detection of nuclear fusion, we didn't know how the sun was heated. But we did know that it was not a chemical reaction (not enough fuel for the time it had been burning). I don't know how Google indexes keywords. But I do know they are not looking them up via sequential search (too fast for that). I don't know what the annoying traffic light on my way to work is triggered by, but I know its not telepathy - or I wouldn't be standing there forever each day. And so on. Indeed, that's how science works - you formulate hypotheses and then refute them one-by-one. If you can't refute a reasonable one, that's your tentative model of reality.
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Saying that's not how it works implies you know how it works.
That's not how logic works.
Biological Exuberance; Evolution & Homosexuali (Score:3)
http://www.amazon.com/Biologic... [amazon.com]
"Homosexuality in its myriad forms has been scientifically documented in more than 450 species of mammals, birds, reptiles, insects, and other animals worldwide. Biological Exuberance is the first comprehensive account of the subject, bringing together accurate, accessible, and nonsensationalized information. Drawing upon a rich body of zoological research spanning more than two centuries, Bruce Bagemihl shows that animals engage in all types of nonreproductive sexual behavi
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Well that was an amazingly detailed post. Thank you. If I had mod points and could use them, you'd get them.
Overall, after reading all of that along with what you yourself have said, it seems that you are saying the assertion that it's not a choice is baseless, but regardless of whether it's a choice or not, the more important issue is our acceptance of homosexuals.
I agree with that. I'm personally of the mind that homosexuality is wrong (that's my personal moral choice), but that they should be treated no
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I for one do do whatever statues tell me to do.
Just don't blink when talking to them.
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I'm not gay, but my boyfriend sure as shit is.
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Because you're the autocratic ruler of a backward nation where a healthy percentage of the population still believes the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a historical document.
Since the time of Peter the Great, Russia has been an odd mix of backwards regressive state with a shiny veneer of modern technocratic government.
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What hostility to Russia? The American media is mostly indifferent to Russia. When they aren't indifferent they either tend to be rather laudatory about the culture: ice skating, gymnastics, art... or hostile towards Russia being uncooperative with the USA.
Now the Russian media is genuinely hostile and paranoid.
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allowing gay marriage will mean fewer "traditional" marriages.
To play devil's advocate, if bisexuality exists, then yes, it very well may.
Not that it's a reason against it. To me, a traditional marriage is where the partners stay together until death parts them -- gay/straight/otherwise.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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Like, how do you even reach this point of reasoning.
Hurrrr I ride a hoers!
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Like, how do you even reach this point of reasoning.
Ladies and gentlemen...
This... is Chewbacca. [wikipedia.org]
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It's true, one time I accidently wandered into an Apple store, and before I knew it, there was a dick in my mouth.
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It's true, one time I accidentally wandered into an Apple store, and before I knew it, there was a dick in my mouth.
Yeah, you really gotta pay attention to those EULA's before clicking agree.
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"Homosexual relationships are by definition sodomy"
This simply isn't true. Two famous homosexuals; Oscar Wilde and Noel Coward, apparently found the idea of penetration appalling.
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"Homosexual relationships are by definition sodomy"
This simply isn't true. Two famous homosexuals; Oscar Wilde and Noel Coward, apparently found the idea of penetration appalling.
Sodomy does not mean anal sex. Sodomy refers what went down in Sodom.
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Sodomy does not mean anal sex. Sodomy refers what went down in Sodom.
...only to 2000 year old myth writers. Sodomy, defined both in common usage and legal usage means exactly that.
Umm, no [wikipedia.org]. In modern sodomy statutes, it is typical to define any sex acts involving anal or ORAL sex as "sodomy," sometimes restricting it only to homosexual anal or oral sex. (But many states had laws on the books also including heterosexual "deviant sex," which could under certain interpretations include anything other than "missionary position" heterosexual sex of married couples.) Old laws also sometimes tended to include bestiality in the definition. We tend to forget the whole oral sex = sodomy in statutes ever since it became an acceptable part of public discourse back in the Clinton era, but that's the way many statutes are written and that's what the word clearly meant at least until 20 years ago or so.
Then again, if you actually read the story in the old testament, the angels get pissed when he offers up his virgin daughters to the crowd (female virginity being a HUGE thing back then) so they won't take the angels.
Umm, not really right here either. If you actually read the story, the "sodomy" as a term comes out of what the mob wants to do to the angels (who apparently appeared MALE), and then after Lot offers his daughters, the mob gets even more incensed and threatens to "do worse" to Lot (i.e., go beyond what he offered for them to do to his daughters, but in a [homosexual] way to Lot).
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Sodomy itself is not prohibited, but it is illegal to advocate it.
I experience huge cognitive dissonance when Putin tells me that the law in question was only designed "to protect children from gay propaganda" when in reality, a statue of Jobs, who is a completely different person from Cook, gets torn down because Cook admitted that he's attracted to men. Not only does it mean that merely saying "I'm gay" could get you prosecuted because that alone is "gay propaganda", even if you said no more than that, but just like in the ole' good Soviet times, your family and associates would apparently be punished as well. Take that, all you idiotic Russophiles out there!
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Because there's not a single fact to back that up.
There is not a single "fact" about anything in Russia, including true things, or obvious things, or things everybody saw happen, or things nobody saw happen but everybody remembers.
Facts are for people with a culture of expecting transparency from Government. In Russia, they assume competent leaders will be able to suppress facts, and so no facts exist, none can be verified. Even if you held a fact in your hand, any Russian knows it must be propaganda. You could never verify any fact. Instead the question i
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Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church do a lot of favors for each other. The payback for the Church's pretty much unwavering support for anything coming out of the Kremlin is that the Kremlin make sure the ROC's nearly medieval social views be propagated into law.
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I think it's just a slap at Apple for it's CEO daring to come out of the closet (it's not like no one knew about the fact that he was gay either - I was surprised when he cam out, because I thought everyone already knew). It feels like an entirely political move meant to garner nods of approval from like-minded voters, even if it makes zero sense.
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Putin on a horse half naked is not gay.
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You have something against half-naked gay horses?
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Despite my confident heterosexuality, I'm terribly conflicted, as I truly want to see a half-naked gay horse.
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meh, sounds softcore pornish. Wouldn't a half-gay naked horse be more titillating?
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But what does this have to do with horse tits?
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" I'm terribly conflicted, as I truly want to see a half-naked gay horse."
Here you go! [e621.net]
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I truly want to see a half-naked gay horse.
I want to see a half naked-gay horse.
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And the best part? Putin is either hairless or he waxes or shaves his chest. Take a look at those photo's, nary a hair visible on the upper body.
Nothing like riding a horse topless with a shaved chest to scream gay.
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"Nothing like catching a touchdown pass at the superb owl to scream gay"
I may have missed a Harry Potter movie, but do they use a superb owl while playing quidditch?
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the guy definitely has some unresolved issues.
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You heard it here first, folks-- no shirt? You gay, buddy.
These pederasts. I swear, m8.
Burqas for boys... seems to be the next step....
In Putin's Russia... (Score:4, Funny)
... the government sodomizes you!
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... the government sodomizes you!
Have you seen the US govenrment lately?
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In Soviet America, government ALSO sodomizes you!
So clearly Android is the best. (Score:2)
Res ipsa loquitur.
Glad we finally put that one to rest.
Thank you, Russian oligarchs, putocrats, and dictators.
Now that we've settled that, next up on /.... who's smarter, Hillary Clinton or Martha Bush. Hint: there's no right answer.
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Evidently gay is highly contagious. Scientists say it's not airborne, but some of them have got it, so there's obviously a lot they don't know about how gay is spread. It stands to reason we should do everything we an think of to reduce the public exposure to gay.
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Evidently gay is highly contagious. Scientists say it's not airborne, but some of them have got it, so there's obviously a lot they don't know about how gay is spread. It stands to reason we should do everything we an think of to reduce the public exposure to gay.
To reduce the risk, we have to tear down all statues of men who ever worked together with a gay man. That's how contagious it is.
Bloody idiots.
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Of course it is. That's the whole basis of the secret american gay bomb, which russian intelligence reports was in development 20 years ago, so it must be completed by now.
Obviously the anti-homosexual laws are truly for the public good. Suppressing the natural background count of gayness so if the americans did cowardly attack russians with their dastardly gay bomb it would be easier to detect.
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Evidently gay is highly contagious. Scientists say it's not airborne, but some of them have got it, so there's obviously a lot they don't know about how gay is spread. It stands to reason we should do everything we an think of to reduce the public exposure to gay.
I can see the global angst now as a current US president sits down
in front of a fireplace with a handful of trusted but silent aids to reassure
the nation and the world that "gay" is not contagious if you wear
head to toe protective....
Then in less than a week he or she imports a word like tzar from Russia
to explain it all.....
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If you're accusing a country of holding anti-gay views to the point of retroactively removing people from historical displays because they associated with a homosexual, then this might be one of the few situations where you're actually allowed to make a Nazi comparison.
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Oh well, then it's totally reasonable...
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Removal of Steve Jobs memorial due to 'gay propaganda' law turns out to be PR hoax
http://rt.com/news/201855-steve-jobs-memorial-gay/
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To me, the fact that it was being taken down for maintenance doesn't make it ineligible to be "ordered taken down" after the fact. The fact that it was being taken down to be fixed might have put the idea in someones head, but the fact is if it was originally planned to be put back up and is no longer, then that is mostly the same as if there had been no maintenance plans.
Very least it seems like all parties have come out with the line, and don't intend to put the thing back up for the cited reasoning.
Oppor
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What most of the media also left out is the other stated reason for not putting the monument back up: Apple's complicity with the NSA as revealed by Snowden. Plus the monument wasn't being taken down by governmental sources, but by the business group that put it up in the first place.
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It's a link to the Russia Today's website posted by an AC.
Rusia Today is not the most reliable news source when it comes to things happening inside or near Russia.
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I didn't know a person could become gay-tainted after they die if their successor is gay. Hope the next person to have my job after I die isn't gay, otherwise my tombstone might set off someone's gaydar. that would be embarrassing.
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I didn't know a person could become gay-tainted after they die if their successor is gay. Hope the next person to have my job after I die isn't gay, otherwise my tombstone might set off someone's gaydar. that would be embarrassing.
Particularly if they were also a necrophiliac.
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By their logic, Boris Yeltsin (Putin's predecessor as President), as well as Viktor Zubkov and Sergei Stepashin (his immediate predecessors as Prime Minister) are now tainted as self-loathing closeted homo/bisexuals ... because Putin obviously is.
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I didn't know a person could become gay-tainted after they die if their successor is gay. Hope the next person to have my job after I die isn't gay, otherwise my tombstone might set off someone's gaydar. that would be embarrassing.
Why would that be embarrassing? It's just gay. It's not embarrassing.
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oh no, "gay tainted" is not the same thing at all as gay. For example TIm Cook is merely gay, but Jobs being "gay tainted" means that even memorials to him must be demolished, no persistence in any living person's memory is allowed. Beware the taint!
Russian teen anal porn (Score:2, Funny)
Given the number of hits on pron sites for "Russian teen anal", I dare say Russia doesn't have anything against sodomy.
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Tim Cook Steve Jobs (Score:2)
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And yet we allow old people, sterile people and people who may not properly even have sex to marry...
That someone still seriously believes that homosexuality is a threat to population is just plain bizarre. First of all, nothing stops homosexuals from having children, and many do, and second of all, they remain a very small part of the population (something like 1 in 10 people).
And if Russia is really interested in repopulating its depleted population, it should be targeting vodka and a persistently shitty
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Since you're the one making the claim that homosexuality is counterproductive to population growth, I'm sure you can actually provide some citations.
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No it is not obvious. If you can provide actual citations showing that homosexuality depresses populations, then I have no reason whatsoever to believe your claim.
What I do know is that homosexuals, at least in any industrialized population, make up roughly 5 to 10% of the population, and that is likely be consistent for at least decades, if not longer.
When someone responds to a demand for actual references in peer reviewed literature with "no, I won't, because my claim is obvious", then the only thing I ca
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You're the one making the claim, you demonstrate it's veracity. And no, "it's obvious" is not a defense, it's merely handwaving. You keep repeating "it's obvious" like it represent anything other than your own homophobia.
What are you afraid of? That Mother Russia may someday have to answer for its mistreatment of minorities? That homosexuality isn't the evil you seem to believe it is?
If you have some actual evidence, cite it. But if you think "it's obvious" will convince anyone of anything, then you're as b
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Actually, no, only a fraction of the population is consuming all the porn. The majority are just too damn busy and stressed out to even want sex. That's scary.
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What, you think liberal-thinking people make those kind of accomplishments? No way, conservatism drives military-industrial complexes, my boy. Liberal thinking is for developing artsy-fartsy things like fine cuisine; at the supermarket yesterday I saw a "russian cold salad" with six layers of ingredients: herring, carrots, beets, potatoes, onions and mayonnaise. So as we can see understanding Russian cuisine is easy to master, since they don't have any. QED, I rest my case.
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Hell, even that mayonnaise with three ingredients would have been plain white yogurt to be truly authentic. No Ivan with vodka fried taste buds would either appreciate nor need anything so complex
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These people are so fucking sutpid, it is astonishing to think that they developed nuclear weapons; waged the Cold War; and to this day, launch people into space! Their entirely dysfunctional leadership does not seem capable of any rational thought. Perhaps those early accomplishments were just manifestations of autonomous reflexes?
Are we still talking about Russia? America isn't exactly running the smoothest, most intelligent government at the moment either...
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Heh, I'm assuming you're referring to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt01... [imdb.com]