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iOS 8 Review 216

An anonymous reader writes: Apple is releasing iOS 8 today, and Ars Technica has posted one of their huge, thorough reviews of the updated operating system. They have this to say about the UI: "iOS 8 tries to fit a whole lot more stuff onto a single screen than iOS 7 did. The operating system was clearly developed in anticipation of iPhones with larger screens." The biggest new feature is Extensions: "Older versions of iOS limited what third-party applications could do to communicate with external services and other third-party applications. ... Extensions remove some (but not all) of those barriers." The biggest examples of extensions are custom keyboards, a feature iOS users have been requesting for years. Downsides to iOS 8 include increased storage and processing requirements, which are bad news for older iPhones, and a host of new bugs associated with the new features.
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iOS 8 Review

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  • Nerd fight (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:10PM (#47928899)

    It would sure be nice if this thread didn't devolve into an Android/Apple pissing contest. Can we at least give it a shot?

    • BlackBerry Rulz!

      How's that?
      • by fyngyrz ( 762201 )

        My palm TX sees your blackberry and drops the bar several inches all at once. :)

        • My Nokia 2610 beats the tar out of every smartphone in the drop test arena AND I don't have to worry about whether I charged it today. Dumbphone > deadphone.
    • by boskone ( 234014 )

      Sure.

      Let's focus on PalmOS, Blackberry and Windows Phone flamewars

    • It would sure be nice if this thread didn't devolve into an Android/Apple pissing contest.

      So true, why waste time on that when walled garden vs open is so much more interesting.

      • I would have started dumping on Apple but when Google put the "feature" in Kitkat to disallow general write permission to the SD card, effectively making an SD card almost worthless unless you root your Android phone, I had to admit that there is enough guilt to go around.

        Oh, wait, what's that you say? Apple phones don't have a provision for an SD card?

  • It adds so much cruft, it slows down the iPhone 4/4S to the point where it's barely usable. So I'll be skipping this update. They did the same with iOS 7. First update added a ton of fluff. First patch fixed a lot of the slowdown issues with the older phones.
    • Comment removed (Score:5, Informative)

      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:21PM (#47929059)
      Comment removed based on user account deletion
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      Actually, the update is not for iPhone 4.

      Also, you can cure a lot of upgrade-related slowdown on the 4 by doing an iTunes backup, factory resetting, and restoring backup. I just did so and cured all my slowdown.

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        Which means that you have been abandoned, just like iPhone 3G and iPad 1.

        Don't ya just love Apple?

        • by joh ( 27088 )

          Which 2010 phone isn't abandoned? Will the first Samsung Galaxy S get Android L?

        • by phayes ( 202222 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @04:08PM (#47931567) Homepage

          Awww, poor guy, he got 3-4 years of use & upgrades out of his old iDevices. It's soo much better on Android where most devices are sold with outdated firmware & never updated. Not just abandoned but orphaned at birth.

        • by Anonymous Freak ( 16973 ) <anonymousfreak@i[ ]ud.com ['clo' in gap]> on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @06:57PM (#47932763) Journal

          Find me an Android from 2010 that can run KitKat.

          Find me more than two Android devices that got KitKat on launch day.

          Yes, Apple ruthless abandons old devices. But you KNOW it's happening. The iPad 1 was the only "surprise! We discontinued support earlier than you thought!" device, but even then, you knew when iOS 6 was first announced that it was going to happen. And if you get support, you get it on day 1. Today, the iPhone 4S and newer, iPad 2 and newer, and iPod touch 5 all get iOS 8.

          Android devices are a complete mixed bag. You may get good support for 2-3 years, you might get screwed with zero updates ever. You might get the update on day 1, you might get it 6 months later.

          Android has many ways it is far superior to iOS, but release reliability and long-term device support are *NOT* among them.

    • If you have Verizon or like to switch, they're supposedly giving away 6's with a two year contract if you trade in your old iPhone.

    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      It adds so much cruft, it slows down the iPhone 4/4S to the point where it's barely usable

      Ah yes, exactly what happened to the iPhone 3G and the original iPad. It's a form of post-purchase sabotage by Apple to drive people to upgrade their expensive hardware for more expensive hardware.

      • by radarskiy ( 2874255 ) on Thursday September 18, 2014 @02:56AM (#47934687)

        This is exactly the no-win situation I have pointed out here before when people complained about upgrades not being allowed for older hardware.

        If Apple does not provide the upgrade for older devices, then they are accused of artificially restricting the upgrade to force sales of newer devices. If Apple does provided the upgrade for older devices, then they are accused of artificially crippling the upgrade to force sales of newer devices.

        Since no matter which choice Apple went with they would be accused of artificially forcing sales of newer devices, you cannot used their choice as proof that they are or are not artificially forcing sales of newer devices.

        How good would the performance have to be on older devices to stop the accusations that they are artificially crippling it? I submit that there is no limit and that no matter how good it worked Apple would be accused of artificially crippling it.

  • by MatthiasF ( 1853064 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @12:11PM (#47928913)
    You could lose everything in your iCloud backups:

    http://www.macworld.com/articl... [macworld.com]
  • Getting too tight with IOS8 in there now
    • Uh, wut? The entry level iPhone 6 is 16GB.
      • by geekoid ( 135745 )

        That drive me up the wall. Why have an entry level phone? the manufacturing costs between 16 and 64 is tiny. Why support some many phone types? just make 1 64GB phone.

        And I ask the in earnest. What data support the cost of different lines vs/ the cost of all of them being 64GB?

        • ITs called leveling or stepping or some shit like that. Its to coax you to step up to the next level at an increased profit margin.
        • I ordered the 16GB version because my on-board data needs aren't heavy. I'm near wifi 90% of my life, and so I'm willing to stream or re-download a lot of things on my phone. I've got a 32GB iPad because that needs to store magazines and bigger games and things, but I like my phone to be a bit leaner. Saving $100 for that was totally worth it for me. I wouldn't have objected to a 32GB entry-level, but 16 is fine too.

          But some people really love to have EVERYTHING with them. They spend a lot of time travellin

          • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @02:23PM (#47930447)
            But it shouldn't cost $100 for the difference between the two anyway. It's a $650 phone. It should have 64 GB by default, or have 32 GB and have the option of an SD Card. You only say that 16 GB is fine because it's $100 for the next level up. That's almost the same price as a 128 GB micro SD Card (currently 109.99) [amazon.com]. There's no reason why they should be charging you $100 for 16 GB upgrade in the first place.
            • SD Cards are a whole other world of complexity; it's no wonder Android has started to clamp down on how they work somewhat. I worked on an XBox 360 game and I had to deal with the TCR requirements regarding removable storage. They're the worst. If someone removes the device during a save, you have to deal with that. If they remove it right before or right after a save, that's something else too. Basically, if anyone does anything with the removable storage at any time, you have to handle a bunch of exceptio

              • then you also have to handle the case where the data is corrupted

                . No matter where you are storing the data, there's always a chance of the data being corrupted. And as far as users removing the storage card, computers have had that problem since as long as there have been personal computers. I'm sure most people could deal with it. People understand that they shouldn't just pull the card out randomly. If they lose their data by being stupid, then that's their own fault. They shouldn't cripple the entire u

                • They shouldn't cripple the entire user base because some users may do stupid things.

                  Tell that to Google and HTC. The HTC One and Nexus Galaxy, Nexus 4, and Nexus 5 do not have removable storage.

                  To be honest, I never removed my original SD card. Most of what I needed was online.

                • Look, you and I actually agree on this. Some of the steps that I had to go through were insane. We were working with a Kinect, so you had to trigger a save, dive for your XBox and yank out the network cable and the memory card at exactly the right time. At that point, you're TRYING to corrupt the data. But developers aren't just allowed to let bad things happen, even if it seems like it's the user's fault. Weak passwords and bad answers to security questions are ALSO technically the user's fault, but we can

        • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:27PM (#47929809)

          That drive me up the wall. Why have an entry level phone? the manufacturing costs between 16 and 64 is tiny. Why support some many phone types? just make 1 64GB phone.

          And I ask the in earnest. What data support the cost of different lines vs/ the cost of all of them being 64GB?

          16 GB is there BECAUSE it's a bad choice.
          32 GB is NOT there BECAUSE it's a good choice.

          People will see the lower price of the 16 GB version and use that price to decide if they want an iPhone 6.
          Then when they're getting ready to buy they'll hear / worry that 16 GB isn't enough, so they'll shell out the ridiculous up-charge for the 64 GB model.
          The true zealots will buy the 128 GB model despite not needing that much storage.

          The cost of maintaining 3 different lines is minimal. The extra income gained by stratifying the models like this is huge.

        • by Cramer ( 69040 )

          Because they can charge a 1000x markup for that extra flash. When a 64GB mcroSD card can be had for 20$, why should 64GB add hundreds to the cost of a phone? (greed)

        • by gnupun ( 752725 )

          Why support some many phone types? just make 1 64GB phone.

          Sweet profits. Apple charges ridiculous markups ($200 or more) for $10 to $30 flash chips. Look at these unlocked iphone 6 prices on amazon:

          iphone 6, 16GB: $999
          iphone 6+, 16GB: $999
          iphone 6, 64GB: $999
          iphone 6+, 64GB: $1180
          iphone 6+, 128GB: $2000

        • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

          That drive me up the wall. Why have an entry level phone? the manufacturing costs between 16 and 64 is tiny. Why support some many phone types? just make 1 64GB phone.

          And I ask the in earnest. What data support the cost of different lines vs/ the cost of all of them being 64GB?

          it's really all about segmentation and choice (or lack thereof).

          16GB is not enough, but it's there to give you a nice price point to hook a customer in. Then you can explain to them would you want more space - 4 times as much for just

  • I'm waiting for the comprehensive review of the Ars Technica review.

  • I don't want an expensive phone that I don't even need because I don't want a cellphone.
    • by tepples ( 727027 )

      I don't want a cellphone

      Without a mobile phone, how would you go about reaching roadside assistance or emergency services? It's hard to find a payphone anymore.

  • I have an iPhone 6 on order, and I plan to use it either way, but I couldn't find the answer to this in the article: Can I use a playlist for an alarm, or can alarm apps work correctly in the background? Since the built-in alarm app only plays one song, you had to use another app if you wanted to wake up to a random song off a playlist. iOS 7 and older versions required that app to be in the foreground for it to play the song. Normally not a big deal, but if you answered a text message in the middle of
    • by sexconker ( 1179573 ) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @01:40PM (#47929957)

      I have an iPhone 6 on order, and I plan to use it either way, but I couldn't find the answer to this in the article: Can I use a playlist for an alarm, or can alarm apps work correctly in the background? Since the built-in alarm app only plays one song, you had to use another app if you wanted to wake up to a random song off a playlist. iOS 7 and older versions required that app to be in the foreground for it to play the song. Normally not a big deal, but if you answered a text message in the middle of the night or couldn't sleep and did a little websurfing and forgot to switch back to the alarm app, your alarm wouldn't go off. This isn't an issue with Android, and I'm hoping Apple has fixed this serious limitation - either by allowing the alarm app to use a playlist, or by allowing 3rd party apps to play a song without being in the foreground. It's my biggest pet peeve about iOS, especially after having an Android phone without this limit for the last two years. (If you read reviews in the App Store for alarm apps, most or all of them have people complaining about the app having to be in the foreground - they don't realize it's a limit of iOS rather than a limit of the app. So, I know it's not just me that's annoyed by this.)

      The alarm only works if it's the foreground app? Holy fucking shit LOL!

      • by AuMatar ( 183847 )

        iOS terms of service prevent you from writing a service or daemon except under very specific circumstances. If you do, they'll reject your app from the store. So you have to do a lot of things that should run in the background only when you're in the foreground. Yes, its idiotic- in order to try and avoid a few badly written apps from draining battery power unnecessarily running in the background they've instead prevented entire categories of useful behavior.

      • by Skater ( 41976 )
        Only 3rd party alarm apps - the built-in app from Apple works fine whether it's in the foreground or not.
    • by suutar ( 1860506 )

      That seems odd. Waze can use the speaker even when it's not the foreground app and the screen has been turned off; it seems like it should be possible for the alarm app to do that too. Unless Waze got special privileges that the alarm app was unable to get for some reason (like, Apple only gives that to GPS apps).

      • Apple does only give that to GPS/VOIP apps. An app can turn on gps/voip services to stay available, but if Apple decides they don't like what you're doing they will remove/disable your app.
        • by suutar ( 1860506 )

          Ah, that's a pity. Seems like alarms would be a natural category to add to that list; perhaps apple will do so at some point.

  • like after every other time he updates his iphone his emails all stop working. Have to delete and readd them and he has about 4 or 5 accounts.
  • Wake me up when Apple supports Bluetooth SPP on iOS.
  • It's not just me. One of my best friends really hates that the lines no longer show in "Notes" in iOS 7 on her iPad.

    http://iosguides.net/wp-conten... [iosguides.net]

    I can grudgly accept that Apple wants to move away from skeuomorphism, but when Functionality suffers because of some idiotic dogma about Form someone needs a clue stick:

    Give people UI _options_.

    Does anyone have the new nVidia Shield Tablet? How is for reading and developing games for?

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