Apple Edits iPhone 6's Protruding Camera Out of Official Photos 425
Sockatume writes: If you've been browsing Apple's site leading up to the iPhone 6 launch, you might've noticed something a little odd. Apple has edited the handset's protruding camera out of every single side-on view of the phone. (The camera is, necessarily, retained for images showing the back of the device.) The absence is particularly conspicuous given the number of side views Apple uses to emphasize the device's thinness.
and the line was? (Score:5, Funny)
"Is that a camera protruding from your back or are you happy to see me?"
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Wow, that's an impressive 1mm camera.
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Sorry I haven't heard the original, Italians dub it better.
Ehhh, cases. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Exactly, I am not sure why Apple tries so hard to make their device so thin.
Thin cost money, the more it cost the thicker case you will want to put on it to protect it.
Re:Ehhh, cases. (Score:4, Interesting)
My Nexus 5 is pretty thin. I don't use a case with it. The screen has not broken. I haven't gone out of my way to be especially careful with it, either.
It's just not that damn hard to use a phone without breaking it, unless you're ridiculously careless.
The protruding lens was a mistake (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.
And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.
Re:The protruding lens was a mistake (Score:4, Informative)
I think only the 6+ has a protruding lens and that's only because it has image stabilization. I don't think the basic 6 lens protrudes. This was mentioned in the keynote....
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I think only the 6+ has a protruding lens and that's only because it has image stabilization. I don't think the basic 6 lens protrudes. This was mentioned in the keynote....
LOL. How did this get modded up? It's bullshit. The iPhone 6 also has a protruding lens.
Re:Was modded up for truth (Score:5, Informative)
The six has a flat back, Mr. Always Corrected.
No it doesn't, not according to Apple's website [apple.com] - see the bit where they compare thickness - the smaller 6 clearly has the protruding lens. Also you can quite clearly see it in engadget's hands on [engadget.com] video.
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I think this is the only explanation that's needed, but people will write 500+ comments bitching about it, 250 flames from Fandroids and 250 Apple-cannot-do-wrong from Appleboys.
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I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.
And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.
Well, you know what they say:
"You can never be too rich, or too thin; or have too much protruding bulge..."
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It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs.
No the polka-dot hole case for the 5c was the first (overwhelming) evidence of what happens (this time) to Apple without Jobs.
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After predicting the iPad was going to fizzle (heck, I predicted that this web thing would never get real popular), I'm reserving opinion on the watch.
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If they'd just made it as thick as the camera it still would have been thin enough and they may have been room to add a bit more battery juice.
Classic crApple form over function BS.
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And for what? Assuming that they can't make the camera any thinner, make the phone slightly fatter, and make use of the extra space. It's not as though the iPhone 5 was obscenely thick and needed to be made thinner. Hell, just fill the rest of the thing out with additional battery, and give us more battery life.
Although I agree and would rather have the additional battery, most people put their phones in a case, which adds some thickness... The lens will protrude into the case cross-sectional region, allowing the overall phone+protruding-lens+case to be thinner than a thicker-phone+flat-lens+case.
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Yeah, I guess it's not so bad if you assume that you're going to have a case, and that the case thickness will result in a flat back to the whole thing. I hadn't really thought of that.
Still, I think it's a bad choice. It seems kind of dumb to design your product with the idea that the dumb design won't be quite so dumb if you also buy a case.
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I don't know how their design people allowed a protruding lens in the first place. It really runs contrary to Apple's design sensibility, but I guess we're seeing the first evidence of what happens to Apple without Jobs. The protrusion is ugly, and it mars the flat, smooth design.
The 5th generation iPod Touch (most recent, I believe) has a protruding lens which sticks out about 1 mm also. That came out about 2 years ago, and I have one. The protrusion is just enough to be annoying if you don't use a case.
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I don't think you've really grasped Apple's design sensibility. Job one for the designers is to deliver a product that consumers want but can't get anywhere else.
The "camera bulge" may be a huge blunder, or it may be just a tempest in a teapot. The real test will be the user's reactions when they hold the device in their hand, or see it in another user's hand. If the reaction is "I want it", the designers have done their job. If it's "Holy cow, look at that camera bulge," then it's a screw-up.
The thinnes
If Steve Jobs were alive he would have said (Score:3, Funny)
Holding it wrong still applies. (Score:2)
Photos are taken from a wrong angle due to someone holding the phone wrong.
After all... It's the word of Steve. A known benefactor of humanity, through past [www.dmc.tv] and future incarnations [www.dmc.tv] as an Earth Sprite.
Apple Knows People Are Stupid (Score:2, Insightful)
Well.... (Score:2, Insightful)
Yes, the "bulge" is clearly photoshopped out. I can only suspect the reason is that they want to show that the rest of the phone...the 95+% of the surface area is the stated thickness. During the keynote, the "bulge" was discussed. They could have shown the whole side view and position arrows or other marks to indicate the thickness. But, frankly, that would have been ugly, wouldn't it? Certainly, not Apple's way.
Now, iPhone / Apple fans aren't going to care that Apple marketers took this liberty with t
Re:Well.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Personally, I don't care about it. The only issue I have with it is that in the past, Apple fans have criticized my Android phone for having a protruding camera lens. Now when the iPhone has the same, suddenly it doesn't matter to them?
See, that's the difference. You think it's about the device. It's not. It's about consistency, honesty, and hypocrisy. Same reason people were upset Apple photoshopped images of the Galaxy Tab to make it more like an iPad in the German court documents.
Re:Well.... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yeah, well iPhone fans used to mock large screen Android devices. "That huge screen is too big, the iPhone 4 has the ideal screen size." Until the 5 shipped, at which point that had the perfect screen size.
There's simple no reasoning with enthralled fanatics.
Well.... (Score:2)
What you call "claryfying their marketing point" I call false advertisement. As your second point about Android people, first that's not true (I for one is an Apple customer on other products), and second, if you let a bad apple (haha) in the basket, you know what happens. If Apple can play false advertisement without retorsion, other companies will follow to remain relevant, and before we know it, all advertisements will be smoke and mirrors and full of lies, including those for non-Apple devices, and it w
A protruding camera? Srsly? (Score:2)
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You are absolutely right that those things are detestable. I have no meaningful input to this discussion other than that I hate how marketing consistently misleads people.
I don't care if that comes out pro-apple or anti-apple, but modern marketing is ethically wrong.
Don't worry guys (Score:3)
Tomorrow, Apple will be posting a tool to put back the camera in the images of your browser cache.
It worked once... (Score:2)
Silly design decision (Score:5, Insightful)
Does anyone know of any iPhone 5/5S users who complained that their phone was too thick?
I see no reason why Apple felt it necessary to slim the device down even more - when they could have just had the same thickness as the 5/5S resulting in no silly bulge for the camera.
Plus, they could have put a bigger battery in the case and maybe get an hour or so extra time out of the thing. Which I can imagine would be a lot more useful than shaving a couple mm off an already perfectly slim enough phone.
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1 Make thin, fragile thing thinner.
2 Make it even easier to put it where high-tech, fragile things shouldn't go.
3 Marketing blitz.
4 Youthful customers with few responsibilities snap it up.
5 Fragile item is indeed placed in an untenable position.
6 Fragile thing is broken, necessitating a replacement purchase.
7 Profit.
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Phones have big screens now, so they need armor anyway. So since you're going to put armor on the phone, you want the phone to get thinner, so that the phone with a case on it is still thin. Just making the phone thin allows the user to put whichever case on it they like, so they get to personalize their phone and you don't have to try to anticipate their needs, instead letting the whole world do that. And that's why having the camera really doesn't matter. In fact, having the bezel around it protrude from
Unsightly Bulge? (Score:2)
In my day, we called them codpieces.
Now get off my lawn, peasant!
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Funny)
No, the bulge was where the U2 album was stored.
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Yes, amazing things like announcing a smart watch (Multiple manufacturers are already selling these), introduced a larger form factor for their phone (Multiple manufacturers started this trend years ago), and introduced an NFC payment method (Multiple parties have already implemented this). What other amazing feats have I missed?
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, amazing things like announcing a smart watch (Multiple manufacturers are already selling these), introduced a larger form factor for their phone (Multiple manufacturers started this trend years ago), and introduced an NFC payment method (Multiple parties have already implemented this)
For fuck's sake, can we get rid of this tired meme finally? "Apple never invented anything" is a straw man faithfully trotted out by anti-Apple fanbois time and time again, seemingly oblivious to the fact that this is really not the point. Anyone who tells you "Apple invented X" is almost certainly wrong, and anyone who says "Apple never invented X" is missing the damn point.
To wit:
* Apple did not invent the Personal Computer. Apple took the idea and made (one of) the first PCs that were user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it.
* Apple did not invent the GUI. Apple took the idea and made the first GUI that was user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it. (Note: it took them two tries to get it right, including the Lisa.)
* Apple did not invent desktop publishing. Apple took the idea and put together the right user-friendly 3rd party software, GUI and laser printers that made lots and lots of people want to buy it.
* Apple did not invent USB, nor was it the first to use it. They took the idea and put it into a computer that was "cool" and user-friendly (and whose users were forced to use USB whether they liked it or not), and lots and lots of people started to buy USB devices.
* Apple did not invent UNIX, or *NIX-derived PC operating systems. They took the idea and made the first *NIX-based OS that was user-friendly enough that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it. (Note again that it took Steve Jobs two tries to get this one right, including NeXT.)
* Apple did not invent MP3 players. They took the idea and made the first MP3 player that was user-friendly enough and supported by an ecosystem that made it easy for people to legally buy music so that lots and lots of people wanted to buy it.
* Apple did not invent smartphones. They took the idea and made the first smartphone that was user-friendly enough that normal people wanted one instead of just work-issued mobile email tools, so lots and lots of people wanted to buy one.
Do you see a pattern here?
So please, please can we get over this "Apple didn't invent anything" BS and recognize what it is that Apple actually does, and hence what criteria their success or failure should be judged on? Apple doesn't live or die on being first. They live or die based on being the first one in a given market to do something really well ... at least until other people catch up and equal them. And then they are on to the Next Big Thing. If they ever run out of Next Big Things, then they are done.
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That's complete bullshit. You have no idea what the original iPhone did then. That's exactly the point of @schnell's comment above. No one was using their "smartphone" (or super duper feature phone like the N95) because they were a disaster to use. What Apple did was create a complete package of software and hardware, and provided web apps functionality. It's only when users found out how amazing the package was that they said "Why did you short-change us!?!? That thing is great, let us use it all the way!
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Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Insightful)
Except it is better in the only way that matters: many people prefer it - especially those who can afford the premium over Android phones. The fact is, convenience and ease of use most definitely IS a feature, and for many it's the most important one. Calling 500M+ people worldwide "zealots" is something only a zealot would do.
Perfect example: Apple Pay. Google has had NFC payments via Google Wallet in Android for years. They could have built a huge business there, but they completely fucked it up. They put out the feature with almost no retailer support, minimal bank support, even worse CE vendor support, only in the US, and a half-assed marketing effort even for Google's usually low standards.
Apple waited until the feature was relevant (secure credit cards are coming to the US this year), they could design a much more convenient UI (iTunes/Passbook/Thumb ID), launched their solution with dozens of major retailers, bank deals, service beyond the US, and the usual insane Apple marketing hype. Rumor has it they even negotiated a small transaction fee from banks - that alone could make it a multi-billion dollar business very quickly.
Technical innovation is not everything, and it's often not the most important thing. Timing and execution are often the difference.
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
right and where was windows phone, and Android before the iPhone was launched? how about full screen mobile browsers?
Windows CE and Palm OS phones were around years before the iPhone, complete with web browsers.
Sure there are lots of smart watches out there. All of them are thicker than the Apple watch
Apple Watch = 12.6mm
Samsung Galaxy Gear = 11.1mm
Samsung Galaxy Gear 2 = 10mm
Sony Smartwatch 2 = 9mm
Pebble = 11.5mm
Pebble Steel = 10.5mm
and none of them thought of implementing NFC payments into the watch.
Samsung Galaxy Gear/2 and Sony Smartwatch 2 have NFC.
Let alone the astounding watch feature of changeable watch bands
Samsung Galaxy Gear 2, Sony Smartwatch 2 and Pebble have changeable bands.
The iPhone 6 really doesn't have any good competing pieces. However iOS still has one major feature than Android and Window phone lack. with in 3 months of a new OS launch /update 80% of all compatible devices have been upgraded. It takes android a couple of years to get to 25%. iOS is still supported on 3 year old devices. only google nexus android devices are supported any where near that long.
CyanogenMod. I have a six year old HTC Dream running the latest version of Android.
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Yea, all sorts of amazing things that Android phones have had since 2011?
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they see you as a customer, not as a product.
Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.
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they see you as a customer, not as a product.
Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.
explain.
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they see you as a customer, not as a product.
Ha Ha HA! OMG that is awesome.
explain.
If it has to be explained to you then it can not be explained to you.
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fact: apple makes money when you buy the product. they do not make money by tracking how you use the product.
fact: goog gives the "product" away for free. but they track how you use is, and sell access to this information to earn their profits. so yes, for apple you are the customer and for goog you are the product. how do you disagree, without ad hominems?
Re:Parallax. (Score:4, Informative)
Is this where you could opt out [apple.com] of iAds tracking?
Interesting. I am sure they give away targeted ads to their advertising partners for free though. Because they do not want you to look like a fool.
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Show me another MILF with an IQ of 80 who has inculcated herself as one of the highest paid cheerleaders of all time.
That's amazing.
It's also depressing, but you didn't ask about that.
Re: Parallax. (Score:3)
We are still talking about Apple, right?
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Funny)
Macs I'd Like to Fuck? Eww.
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Funny)
We demand strict orthographic projection in all marketing materials!
real apples have curves! (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
Parallax isn't going to hide something like that on a device of that size. I'm holding mine exactly like that right now. I sure as hell see the camera bump, even being way on the other side of the phone from my vantage point.
Plus, take the images and invert the colors. You can clearly see editing work. Basic Photoshop detection 101. Even more fun when you have a shitty TFT screen that makes every glaring error even more obvious.
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This is a function of focal length and subject distance.
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Along with a few other mathematical things yes; but as it stands, unless they were taking those pictures from dozens of meters away, parallax isn't going to hide that from a dead-level perspective. I'm trying right now with my 26x optical zoom DSLR across the apartment, I can't get that tiny bump to stay hidden without showing more of the front of the phone.
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Parallax. (Score:4, Insightful)
Automobile magazines take pictures of cars from as far away as practical, so that the part of the car closer to the camera doesn't look substantially larger than the part of the car further from the lens. They use a telephoto lens to achieve this.
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Not if the resulting images are adjusted so the pictured object is the same size. Unless you're reducing a detail to the single pixel range, that is. Additionally, the phone's lens would be more out of focus (when focused on the edge of the phone) when taken from a closer position - depth of field can be used to de-accentuate a feature. Finally, parallax would make the phone's camera appear smaller in proportion when photographed from a closer
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Interesting)
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Well, if you know very well that you're doing it wrong, why do you persist?
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I know very well what I'm doing.
Based on your "logic", you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't be trying to hide something using perspective from across a room. You also nonsensically talk about "close-ups" when pictures of objects taken using lenses of different focal lengths can actually have the same dimension in the photos, with only the amount of perspective being different. Perhaps you need a refresher on geometry?
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never heard of mount adapters to use manual lenses from much older 35mm SLR cameras
Yes, and I have still never heard of a zoom lens with a range greater than 16 times. Most film zoom lenses maxed out at 4X
I understand perspective just fine,
I meant to say parallax, but you don't really understand either. Read farther down on the example of a chimney on a house.
Try this. Use a very wide lens, say 20mm on a full frame camera.
Bring the phone close to the camera so it fills the frame.
shooting edge on, and with the screen on top, tilt the phone up until you just see the screen.
You will not see the bump on the bottom.
or m
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I also understand parallax just fine. And I also understand that up close or far away, the bump still shows up, unless you're BLIND.
You've just publicly proven that you're a moron. Does that make you happy?
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Umm, you realize this is a photograph and not a ray-tracing exercise?
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
And with the obvious FOV on those images, it's obvious you couldn't get close enough to hide it without pretty much having the edge directly against the camera lens. You'd have better luck trying fro further away to minimize its detail.
Wrong. It's very easy to hide it. I just did so with my Samsung Galaxy S4, whose camera protrudes about the same amount, but does so in the middle of the phone. And I did that with a crappy point and shoot... just get up close and position it correctly. If you're looking with your eyes, you will have to close one, and you'll have to be able to focus on things very close (I can't focus on stuff that close to my face, but my camera can).
FWIW, I'm not claiming they didn't simply photoshop the images, but it's certainly possible to take side pics that don't show the 1mm protrusion on the opposite side of the phone.
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Funny)
I argued about a 1 mm bump on a phone.
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Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
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I expected to see some sort of obvious contrast in the background when I tried this, but I didn't notice anything. What does one look for?
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Plus, take the images and invert the colors. You can clearly see editing work. Basic Photoshop detection 101. Even more fun when you have a shitty TFT screen that makes every glaring error even more obvious.
Not only is there nothing there when you invert the colors (see here [imgur.com], inverted and zoomed for your viewing pleasure), it's very likely it was a computer generated image and not even a photograph to begin with.
it's simple math, similar triangles (Score:5, Insightful)
On the smaller phone (iPhone 6) the lens is 50mm from the far (button) edge of the phone and protrudes 0.8mm. The phone is 7mm thick.
Thus there is a triangle formed on the top of the phone which is 0.8mm tall and 50mm base. Now, if you make the triangle 7.8mm tall you form a triangle with the front plane of the phone, a triangle with a base (7.8/0.8)*50 of 487mm.
So if you take the picture from less than 487mm away (half a meter) you can take a picture which doesn't show the camera and doesn't show the face of the phone (thus is "edge on") without using any photoshop trickery. The phone body will simply block the camera from view.
And that's surely what Apple did. It's not hard to do.
Also note: you don't have one, troll. It doesn't come out for a couple more days.
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Does he work for Apple? Because iPhone 6 and 6 plus haven't arrived to customers yet.
Yes they have. Two of my coworkers have them now. Got them a few days ago. That's the result of big money contracts.
They haven't been shipped to consumers yet. Customers have them.
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It's Khyber. He talks out of his ass every single time.
Just laugh and wait for APK to come tear him a new one.
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Parallax. (Score:5, Funny)
No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?
I think they were just holding it wrong while taking the pictures.
Re:Parallax. (Score:4, Funny)
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No, the phone is shown at exactly right angles, and they're right, the lens is photoshopped out. Meanwhile, it's 1 mm. What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?
Not that it matters anyway. Everyone I know that has a recent phone has a big fat case to protect it.
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Marketing over function.
Depends. (Score:2)
What is that, the thickness of 2 business cards?
Does it have a watermark? [youtube.com]
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1mm is about 15% of the total thickness.
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It can't be at right angles to both the front and the back of the phone -- they are parallel, non-coincident planes.
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Greetings, attempted pedant.
You cannot extend planes. Planes are, by definition, infinite in expanse.
You are correct in pointing out that anything orthogonal to one plane is also orthogonal to every plane parallel to the first.
Re: [s]Parallax.[/s] Perspective (Score:5, Insightful)
You're thinking of perspective - and you'd need a very odd angle and wide angle lens to hide it. Here's a more realistic side shot which is already fairly up close and wide angle:
http://cdn1.mos.techradar.futu... [futurecdn.net]
I don't think most people are particularly going to care (unless the protrusion is likely to make the phone wobble when set down somewhere), but it's slightly humorous to see Apple editing it away / leaving that ring off for product shots / conveniently leaving it out of product renders.
( Or, if you're still convinced that they didn't edit it away, they at least went to the trouble of trying to hide it without making it seem like they're trying to hide it. )
So... you're saying... (Score:3)
...that they are holding it wrong?
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The display is not visible, so lets assume that the light goes parallel to the display. Lets also assume that it is 60mm from the side of the phone to the lens.
When drawing this in a sketch there are two triangles with identical angles. One is along the phone with two sides given as 1mm and 60mm. In the other one side is the phone thickness of 6.9mm, and the other is the distance between phone and camera.
Simply calculating the ratios gives a maximum camera distance of 60*6.9/1 = 4
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Who knows? We're talking about Apple here, so anything is possible. I personally would prefer a thicker device (and therefore higher capacity battery), I do not understand this obsession with "ultrathin" devices. But that said, note that the point of the article is actually Apple trying to hide what she considers a "problem" in her product, and this is not a behavior that is expected of a responsible company.
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Ever heard of a parrallel projection? You're all rahter pathetic as Appleogetics...
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Actually it is, because in the U.K. at least (and probably the rest of the E.U.) doctoring photos like this and then using them in advertising is highly illegal. Apple are likely to be hit hard in short order.
I have no idea if the USA allows such deceptive practices in advertising but it would not surprise me.
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Soon the Apple fans will come and show us all how some physics theory about light absorption when you point something at camera from the right angle will make the light bend just so slightly and cause an illusion that makes the phone appear to have no camera pointing out.
Except that these are software renderings...
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You didn't think the reality distortion field was just a figure of speech, did you? It's been the primary subject of research for Apple to try and reform the Beatles since their revenues fell so heavily when they split up. (The whole Apple suing Apple thing was just a smokescreen, man).
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The subject of the photograph does not have zero thickness. The camera focal point could be along the plane of the front of the subject, which would make it *not* along the plane of the rear of the phone.
Imagine I am standing long the plane of the front of a building, am I also standing along the plan of the rear of a building? Am I looking at the building at a flat 90 (whatever that means)?
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You know who likes that new HTC phone? The Hunchback of Notre-Dame.
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Thank you for there link, I followed it and found none of the "edited" photos you claim are there. I found ONE photo that showed the iPhone from an angle that showed the camera bulge and the bulge was there...
So, flaming slashdot - what a concept - lol... I am sure all the hate posted here is legitimate and justified. I see you are proud enough of your comment to stand behind it and not post anonymously - oh wait... I will stand behind my years posting here and my reputation and not hide behind "Anonymous C
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Do you rate Apple.com as one of those "rumor mills and third party sites"?
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You seriously don't see any side view images of the iPhone?
Counting by images, the 2nd, 5th and 7th iPhone images on http://www.apple.com/iphone-6/... [apple.com] are all side views!
Please try harder!