Microsoft Launches Office For iPad: Includes Word, Excel, and PowerPoint 184
An anonymous reader writes "At an event in San Francisco today, Microsoft Office General Manager Julia White unveiled Office for iPad, featuring Word, Excel, and PowerPoint. The new suite, which supports viewing but not editing for free, will go live in Apple's App Store at 11:00AM PDT (2:00PM EST). Word, Excel, and PowerPoint for iPad feature a ribbon interface just like the one featured in Office for Windows and OS X. The trio of apps are much more powerful on the tablet than the smartphone, but naturally aren't comparable to the desktop versions."
Perfect (Score:3, Interesting)
The absolute best use of a phone in the office IMO is to connect the meeting-room projector/screen to the phone HDMI out and project without needing a laptop. When I worked at VMware we'd do this with a remote desktop app back to a Windows desktop, but just running PPT/Word native is even easier. Plus the opportunities for embarrassing chats popping up are that much better!
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Where'd you work? Prom B? :-)
Re: Perfect (Score:2)
You don't activate airplane mode before a presentation? How rude!
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You'd think that would be obvious, wouldn't you. :)
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Re:Perfect (Score:4, Interesting)
Is it really even needed for that though?
One thing I keep hearing from the MS fans (yes, they very much exist) is how great it is to have Office for free with Windows RT (Yep, that dead bastardized OS still has fans.) They insist that it is the killer mobile app that makes those devices (windows phone, surface) worth having. Invariably you run into one problem with that statement though: Nobody is buying either of them. If this is really such a killer app, then why isn't it flying off of shelves? I think I know the answer to that: Nobody needs office suites anymore.
Consider these:
Word: How often do you write formal letters anymore to the point that you MUST have Word? Usually it's just an email, sms, or a tweet if you're the social network type. None of those need or even expect fancy formatting, which is what Word is all about. In fact, in those settings, such things are often shunned because they take away from brevity. But suppose you do on occasion need to write a formal letter; you probably aren't going to do fancy formatting on a mobile device. Instead you're going to draft your letter while the thoughts are in your head on an app like evernote, maybe email it to yourself, and then copy and paste it into Word on a desktop system where you'll do all of that fancy shit. You certainly won't write even a half decent resume on a mobile device.
PowerPoint: I don't think I need to explain the problems with creating presentations on mobile devices (kind of annoying to pull up your images and other whatnots and then scale and position them properly using just your fingers, even with the best of NUIs.) But let's set aside that entirely. Look at how much a lot of organizations now hate powerpoint. The DoD says it's making its servicemembers dumber and wants to get rid of it entirely. Certain educational institutes are preferring the old (well, kind of old) whiteboard again.
Excel: Excel is perhaps one of the most useful components of office. Problem is, MS Office suffers a bit from the reverse of the Pareto Principle: 80% of its users only use 20% of its features. This is especially true for Excel where you don't use a whole lot of its more advanced features. That said, MS Excel is overkill (and expensive, I believe $80 buys you a license for ONE PC, and it cannot ever be transferred to another PC once installed.) But even for the free RT/WP versions, the interface actually isn't that well designed compared to other spreadsheets for mobile devices. In my experience, quickoffice has perhaps the best touch NUI for this. Best of all, it costs nothing.
TL;DR, I don't think MS Office, or even LibreOffice or any other office suite, is really needed anymore. I only have it installed because some of my classes at school require me to, but I noticed that when I'm not doing these assignments, I have only used it to create my resume.
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Nobody needs office suites anymore.
What do you mean "anymore"? What did they used to need them for that they suddenly don't now? What changed?
Less paper and more collaboration (Score:2)
People don't need paper, so programs designed to format stuff for A4 or Letter are disappearing.
People need collaboration and sharing, so online tools are greatly helpful, and generally don't require the recipient to have $300 worth of software, and non guarantee that it will render correctly.
The office suite is changing. MS Office has some improvements in electronic documents through OneNote, and Outlook/Exchange are doing some good jobs in Mobile Device Management. Sharepoint is improving collaborat
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For Collaboration, people really ought to look at GoogleDocs. There are features here that are nearly impossible to duplicate without a very expensive infrastructure tied around Microsoft products. And if you're going to go to Office365, well, you might want to try the Google version out.
The only caveat I have for this, is proprietary documents (secret), where you don't want anyone else to know, in which case you're really talking about a very narrow market.
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People don't need paper, so programs designed to format stuff for A4 or Letter are disappearing.
Since when? I'm not sure what programs you are referring to that are designed to format for A4/Letter that are disappearing either. Even if that were true, you still need to be able to format your documents for some target media, it wouldn't remove that requirement.
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TL;DR, I don't think MS Office, or even LibreOffice or any other office suite, is really needed anymore. I only have it installed because some of my classes at school require me to, but I noticed that when I'm not doing these assignments, I have only used it to create my resume.
You had a good point up until you only considered student assignment usage.
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Student to Professor: "Here is a link to my GoogleDoc version, which shows complete revision history. And I didn't kill any trees creating this document, making it very green. You can't be bothered clicking a link? Okay, let me print it out in dead tree version ...."
There is no need for "Microsoft Word Formatted File", except people who don't want to learn new things. Funny, but that is exactly how I view many teachers (not wanting to learn new things).
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In other words...No one should have to have a CompSci degree and know the history of computing to read your
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GoogleDocs converts to PDF just fine. As does your LATEX file. PDF is "portable" while MSWORD, MacWrite, even LibreOffice are not. However MSWORD and LibreOffice both can save as PDF.
Don't be a douche
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I couldn't really live without Outlook. It pretty much manages my life.
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Yes, it is needed...
When you get out of school and move on to the real world, you'll find businesses use MS Office, it is the standard and is quite useful...
Social media is nice, but that isn't where business is done...
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I've heard this rumor a lot, but, at 26, having worked for ~8years in the IT industry, I've only needed LO less than a dozen of times to merely OPEN some file someone sent me.
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If you think Google Docs cuts it, then you haven't really seen the features of Office used.
Google Docs is a nice free toy, but it is FAR away from approaching Office.
I fully agree that 90% of users do not need more than 10% of the features in MS Office. The thing is, those 90% of users don't need the same 10% of the features.
It only takes a single needed missing feature to make anything else a nonstarter, that is why MS Works is finally gone, the fact is, MS Office with "everything" is what works best, eve
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Google Docs does 90 % of what anyone does and stuff Office CANNOT do, that when people see it, they will want it. Namely Multiple and simultaneous editing of documents. Sharepoint is not easy or cheap, and therefore doesn't count. Google Docs also forces users to do their own security, rather than have IT do it for them. Sharing a doc with only two people, easy in GDOCS, impossible with Office.
Collaboration is the new "hot" thing for organizations. And for the people that "need" office, well then they can b
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I'm afraid you're just demonstrating that you're a student with no real business experience.
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Yeah, I'm a student (25 year career as a Computer/Networking Professional) with no real business experience (other than running my own business). Other than that, you're 100% right.
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Running your own business doesn't give you that much insight into how corporates work. SOHO is a different fish altogether.
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It's handy having your an office suite on your tablet as it allows you to make quick edits on the go. No one is expecting you to write your thesis on a tablet, but for reviewing documents, writing comments and making small changes having Office on the iPad stupidly useful.
As for Office suites in general, I don't know what it's like where you are but in the UK you're almost guaranteed that to run into MS Office files in whatever job you do. There's no avoiding it even as a techie as your specifications and
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I only have it installed because some of my classes at school require me to, but I noticed that when I'm not doing these assignments, I have only used it to create my resume.
I've never met any sort of admin person who could function without office. They need excel and word for literally everything they do all day long.
AND anyone who interacts with an admin person needs to be able to read, and often write to those files.
An inventory manager might send someone an excel sheet of inventory that is missing and needs to be located. Or an asset list that needs to be completed. Or a table of phones that were stolen.
An accountant uses Excel in all kinds of ways, and those documents need to be disseminated to management.
What do you think your companies policy manuals were written in? The ISO quality manual? Material Safety Data Sheets? The log sheet to record when the bathrooms were cleaned? Device Master Records? Customs declarations paperwork? Grant applications? Investment Prospectus? Meeting minutes? New Employee Orientation packages? Legal Contracts? Stock Option Grants? SEC Filings? Press Releases? Performance Reviews?
How many of us need to fill out an excel or word document to submit a timesheet, prepare a customer a quote, submit an expense report, request vacation time, fill out an order, prepare a project budget, estimate a job?
I have only used it to create my resume.
Yeah, not everybody is you.
Lock-in just *less* inevitable than it used to be (Score:2)
The thing is, people used to buy Office for use at home, because that's what they used at work, and they needed it to work from home. So they bought a copy for their home PC - or pirated a copy from work. Or, just followed the path of least resistance and paid for a copy along with their PC, which has on and off been hard not to do.
But these days, most occasional work from home is best handled by RDP'ing into your home system (or possibly taking home your company-issued laptop). In other words, if your w
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Right - I'm not denying the benefit for those who use MSO and pay up. Just saying that Microsoft was waiting out the clock hoping for an MSO-fueled success of its tablets. But they must see the free competition as too compelling to wait it out - even if their fans don't. If LibreOffice had hit the iPad before MSO, it could've provided considerable incentive for users to switch to that pretty damn capable free alternative that, oh yeah, happens to 'work on all my devices'.
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An inventory manager might send someone an excel sheet of inventory that is missing and needs to be located. Or an asset list that needs to be completed.
Serious companies (even small ones) have some web-based (or sometimes desktop) system with an actual database for this stuff. We stopped keeping company inventory and such as floating files years ago.
An accountant uses Excel in all kinds of ways, and those documents need to be disseminated to management.
Accuontants use accounting software. Even more so in corporate environments.
What do you think your companies policy manuals were written in? The ISO quality manual? Material Safety Data Sheets? The log sheet to record when the bathrooms were cleaned? Device Master Records? Customs declarations paperwork? Grant applications? Investment Prospectus? Meeting minutes? New Employee Orientation packages? Legal Contracts? Stock Option Grants? SEC Filings? Press Releases? Performance Reviews?
How many of us need to fill out an excel or word document to submit a timesheet, prepare a customer a quote, submit an expense report, request vacation time, fill out an order, prepare a project budget, estimate a job?
I have only used it to create my resume.
Yeah, not everybody is you.
Once every few years, maybe? That's far from being standard. Using a browser is way more standard (I've used one for most of the points you mention above).
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What would you replace Word with in, for example, a law firm?
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The question might be what you replace WordPerfect with. From what I hear, its main use is legal stuff.
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No the question is what would you replace Word with in a law firm, given that "Nobody needs office suites anymore"? Do you have an answer to that question?
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Actually, a tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard can be a surprisingly good platform for writing. That said....
Your analysis of MS Word is rather flawed. For most things people use MS Word for, they can use something simpler, like Pages on my iPhone. This has pretty much always been true, but as long as everybody could get MS Office (which ran on Windows and Mac from the start), and may have learned to use it in a class, there wasn't much reason to use anything else.
Then these tablets came along, with B
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Regarding your Pareto principle, the actual statistic is 90% of users only use 10% of the feature on aggregate. The problem is that every individual in the 90% uses a different 10%. Microsoft telemetry backs this up
I don't believe it for a minute. In my experience users of a application such as Word tend to take on new features in a pretty similar progression.
For sure I know Microsoft have CLAIMED everyone needs a different 20% (or 10%). But I think that's just marketing for the overblown apps they have, set against the simpler rivals.
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but the reality is Office is used because large influential organizations use it and Microsoft introduces the features that they want.
That's not really true. Taking Word as an example, MS Word for DOS was a minority product, with Word Perfect being the market leader. Through a combination of WP not believing in Windows, and Microsoft having an advantage development wise - they had unique access to APIs and access to Winows source code - Word for Windows became the first fully featured word processor for Windows, and got most of the market share at that time. But they held that position by using document format lock-in. Businesses bought W
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My wife does just that, but she uses a Droid 3 for it. It no longer is a "phone", it has been wiped and setup just for use thanks to HDMI out.
The phone itself has almost no dollar value, but it is a great device for connecting to a TV.
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Excel isn't going away any time soon, and PowerPoint isn't going away fast enough! Word rose and fell with desktop publishing, of course, but is actually a decent reader for text eBooks - at least it looks vastly better than Kindle.
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Damn, I wish I could sell a fading platform that is breaking sales records [theverge.com].
Just because you wish it so (for some reason) does not make it so. Remember, competition is a good thing for us - the best thing that can happen is for Apple and Google to have a healthy competitor in Google and Apple.
"Naturally aren't comparable"? (Score:5, Informative)
Doesn't seem that way: [zdnet.com]
Make no mistake about it: These three apps are feature-rich, powerful tools for creating and editing Office documents. They look and act like their Office 2013 counterparts on Windows. And although these iPad apps obviously can't replicate every feature of the full desktop programs, they deliver an impressive subset of those features. Anyone who was expecting Office Lite or a rehash of the underwhelming Office for iPhone will be pleasantly surprised.
(Thanks to DaringFireball [daringfireball.com] for the link and summary).
I will download them for sure, but it really puts me off having to use a subscription to use them for editing.
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I will download them for sure, but it really puts me off having to use a subscription to use them for editing.
I agree, I would have thought "free for non-commercial use" would have worked well enough. Corporates are the ones driving Office revenue anyway, end users are much more likely to go with iWork or Google Docs than paying for Office.
Re:"Naturally aren't comparable"? (Score:4, Interesting)
So you want to rely on a DRM system which decides if you are using it for commercial purposes? Or just the honesty of users?
Neither sound like a good options when dealing with a product that is known for making good sums of money.
It's already been done for years, this isn't a foreign concept, have you not seen Office Home and Student for example? Not sure why you don't think it's a good option given it's been used for so long and continues to be used today.
Forgot to mention even a flat fee for a perpetual non-commercial Home & Student license would probably work.
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"It's already been done for years, this isn't a foreign concept, have you not seen Office Home and Student for example?"
Its not relying on honesty or integrity or even DRM to prevent commercial use its relying on "missing a key application" nearly all business users require.
"Office Home and Student" lacks Outlook.
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ios doesn't need outlook, it's already got contact, calendar, and email sync to exchange.
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Which is precisely why you DONT get it.
The reason home and student licensing works on the desktop is that businesses will be motivated to buy the more expensive corporate version to get outlook.
That WONT work on a platform that effectively COMES WITH OUTLOOK.
What differentiates the home and student version from the corporate version on an ios device? Nothing.
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It's also not free, for non-commercial use or otherwise. It's cheaper than the other paid editions, especially since it allows installation on multiple machines with a single license, but it does still cost money.
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It's also not free, for non-commercial use or otherwise. It's cheaper than the other paid editions, especially since it allows installation on multiple machines with a single license, but it does still cost money.
It doesn't have to be free, I even followed that up with even a flat fee for a perpetual non-commercial Home & Student license would probably work. [slashdot.org]
Hmmm... 'Free'... (Score:3, Insightful)
This isn't so much about a paid subscription as it is not having to pay Apple for each copy of Office sold. This is their way of getting around that. Wonder how long it'll take Apple to close this loophole in the future...
Re:Hmmm... 'Free'... (Score:4, Informative)
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Not really, because Apple still takes a 30% cut if you buy the subscription as an in-app purchase. This is more about getting a constant stream of money ($10/month) rather than a one-time (or every two or three years) payment of $50 or whatever.
Let's just take a look at this deal. I just bought a 356 subscription and according to the in-app purchasing wizard in the Office 365 suite on my iPad the subscription is $156 per annum. For that you are getting:
Which sounds like a pretty OK deal to me considering the volume of product I'm getting. As far as I can tell there are n
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That's incorrect. They do offer the subscription in-app. It goes through the App Store, and Apple takes 30% if you choose to do it that way.
http://recode.net/2014/03/27/m... [recode.net]
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You're under the impression that it matters to Apple that people skirt the rules like that.
Guess what? It doesn't. The only thing is that for payments in the Apple ecosystem, you use Apple's payment provider to provide less confusion and annoyance to users who may wonder if the box with th
Docs to Go (Score:2)
Odyssee II (Score:5, Funny)
I wonder how porty the ports are.
Will I go to shut down my phone and be greeted with a popup that "Cannot quit Excel now"?
Will I thumb-whip an Excel spreadsheet to scroll down, and be greeted with a popup saying, "Insufficient resources to display", accompanied by a screen that no longer redraws?
These are both still features of 2010.
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For example, endnotes/footnotes and cross-references inevitably screw up with "Bookmark not defined!" if you move them around. Same for Figure numbering, etc.
Example 2: PowerPoint (at least on Mac) will take minutes to open a PPT file if it contains any EPS images. This bug is just as old. And god forbid you copy-and-paste a graphic from Word to PowerPoint. It will fail to render, not for you, but for the customer you sent it to.
Completing the lis
Implementation (Score:4, Interesting)
I wonder if they wrote it more or less from scratch, or if they managed to reuse a lot of code from some other platform (e.g. Office for Mac OS X)?
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It'd be pretty surprising if the document data models and engines weren't in separate modules from the UI.
As usual, Outlook is conspicuous... (Score:3)
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I find the iOS mail and calendar apps work well enough with Exchange. Apple may have resisted having Outlook present as a competitor to these core apps.
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Too much competition already (Score:3)
While I prefer Excel, those other options do just fine for anything I'll be doing outside of work. Plus you can get Apple's suite of office apps for free as well. MS screwed themselves by making it a pay to edit setup.
Too little, too late. (Score:3, Insightful)
Sorry guys, but you're way too late to the party, everyone has already been and gone and eaten your lunch a long time ago. They didn't think you'd ever show up. Your cola is still here if you want it, but it's warm and flat.
$80 for a 365 subscription? pffffft, please.
Still holding out for DOS for ipad (Score:5, Funny)
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DOS? Surely you jest! Applesoft BASIC is the only way if you want really real work done. You have to break out a magazine and type out 1000 lines without error because that is the only way to be sure to be the code is correct.
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It's because Steve Ballmer refused to acknowledge iOS's existence. Now that a new guy is in charge, things are happening again.
Yeah I'm sure they whipped up the whole office suite for iOS in the last few weeks since Ballmer left.
This would certainly enable Office devotees to invest in iPads (or do more with existing iPads) but I don't see it converting many existing Google Docs users or those who are already ensconced in the iWork suite...though that's probably not the point.
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In order for Microsoft to keep making money on Office, they need to keep selling Office. If they sell watered-down versions for iOS, they accomplish two things:
1. Extend the vendor lock-in of people creating documents and content in Office on full-client desktops and laptops, so they continue on the upgrade treadmill
2. An iOS device sale is better in Microsoft's eyes than an Android device sale, because it's less traffic to Google.
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Microsoft office for iPhone was released last summer while Ballmer was still CEO and the iPad app is much more advanced, so I would guess they probably started working on that around the same time they started on the simpler iPhone app.
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LoB
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Your doubts don't count for much given that Microsoft has also released MS Office for Android already. Check out the tabs for the platforms supported.
http://office.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]
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Here's something interesting:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/03/29/why-did-microsoft-port-office-to-apples-ios-ipad-before-android
why did microsoft port office to apples ios ipad before android
LoB
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I've been told many times here that Android doesn't need separate versions for phones and tablets, because of autosizing features. Of course I never believed it, and it looks like you don't either.
So, that explains why there's so much fuss being made of the iPad version, and none about the Android version. I guess the Android one is little more than a phone viewer.
And the article you link to explains handily why Microsoft would choose to develop for iPad before Android tablets. Thanks.
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Re:Well, that took a while (Score:5, Interesting)
It's a pretty seismic shift in Microsoft's direction. The unholy trinity of Windows-Office-Backoffice has been the guiding paradigm of Microsoft's strategy for two decades. Now it's pulling Windows out of the loop and allowing Office-Back Office to stand semi-independent (yes, I know, Exchange and Sharepoint still run on the Windows operating system). It looks like the split between operating system and software is happening a decade later than it might have if the DOJ had stuck to its guns.
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That's because the New Wave is Cloud. A chance to charge you monthly for what you used to just buy outright.
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Plus, every accountant loves turning what used to be capital expense (one time software purchase) into operational expense (recurring monthly subscription)!
I can't imagine why these schemes aren't being adopted on a massive scale!
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It's a pretty seismic shift in Microsoft's direction. The unholy trinity of Windows-Office-Backoffice has been the guiding paradigm of Microsoft's strategy for two decades.
The only flaw in your premise is that we are now just four months away from the 25th birthday of *Microsoft Office for Mac*. This predates the Windows version by more than a year. Also, Word was first made for Xenix (Microsoft's brand of Unix) under the name *Multi-Tool Word* (along with an MS-DOS version).
There has never been a time when Office was only available for Windows. And this latest move to iOS does not mean that "Windows is out of the loop". There is still (and always will be) the Windows desktop
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I (and many other people) would probably pay $15 each app - or more.
I just can't see getting an Office365 subscription to use these applications.
It's nice though they are letting you use them for free as viewers, very handy for those still using PowerPoint. The presentation abilities from an iPad sounds pretty good.
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While I don't think we'd get to see any #'s... I doubt that many will get an Office 365 subscription *just* to be able to use the iPad apps... instead being able to use the subscription on the iPad and a couple of desktop and laptops (up to 5 devices I think) is where the motivation to subscribe will comes in.
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I can't see anyone getting a subscription just to use these apps. These are more like addon apps for people who use Office already and happen to have an iPad.
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I agree that's what they are doing. It just seems like a huge lost opportunity. Arranging things as they have, they are now way behind companies like Evernote even though they might have a technically better product!
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I'd rather pay $15 for the whole mess and be able to edit right away
really? you'd like to pay less?* that's surprising.
$60 / month for my cell plan? fuck that, i'd rather pay $150 up front. really i would.
* $6.99 / month, and of course you are going to keep it for >2 months.
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While the initial presence of them took many off guard... it's been with us so long I'd wager most (who have been using them for that time) are more or less used to them and see the benefit.
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Well, .... sorry, what exactly is the benefit you mention?
i have a Mac.
Workimg at client side with ribbons is so awfull
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For me the ribbon just looks like multitude of toolbars, takes me always ages to find functionality that I need, as the icons tell me nothing and I have to hover over everyone to see what it does.
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The problem with the ribbon is that when people complain about it, they seem to forget that the alternative isn't much better from a UX standpoint and that it launched on an application that the ribbon wasn't going to fix.
Office style apps, particularly word processing is just a messy UI. Unless you want less features. Period.
When dealing with new applications, the Ribbon concept is actually quite nice addition to a UI designer's tool kit. Probably one that should be doing what traditional tool bars have be
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Office style apps, particularly word processing is just a messy UI. Unless you want less features. Period.
What on earth gives you the idea that a messy UI is intrinsic to the problem of word processing?
Word and the other MS Office apps have messy UIs because they have 25 years of legacy to cope with. Various competitors, such as LibreOffice also have legacy, plus the additional burden that they started by copying MS Office.
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Not that I'd use a tablet for serious work.
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You'll probably have to wait a while judging by this: https://wiki.documentfoundatio... [documentfoundation.org]
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Still waiting for Libreoffice for Android (which would be of use to me) and Ipad (which I guess other people would use).
Rather than waiting you should help it along by contributing.
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