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Schiller Says Apple Is the Last PC Maker From the Mac Era, Forgets About HP 474

An anonymous reader writes "Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing, recently claimed that Apple is the only computer company left from the early days of the Mac. Unfortunately for him, HP still exists. "Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone," Schiller told Macworld in an interview on Apple's Cupertino campus. 'We're the only one left.' I'm sorry Apple, but when exactly did HP declare bankruptcy? We contacted an HP spokesperson for a statement on Apple's ridiculous claim and were pointed to its timeline history page."
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Schiller Says Apple Is the Last PC Maker From the Mac Era, Forgets About HP

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  • !HP (Score:5, Insightful)

    by iroll ( 717924 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:24PM (#46067591) Homepage

    Comparing today's HP to the HP of the 80s, I'm inclined to side with Schiller.

    • Re:!HP (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:30PM (#46067629)

      Doing the same comparison on Apple yields the same results.

      Woz must be turning in his grave.

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Woz is alive. Jobs has passed.

      • Re:!HP (Score:5, Insightful)

        by pushing-robot ( 1037830 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:40PM (#46067697)

        Are you thinking of Apple of the 70s? Woz was basically out by 1981.

        Apple today is very much like Apple of the early Mac years: building computers that are small, easy, and appliance-like.

      • Woz must be turning in his grave.

        When did Woz die?

        I'm no Apple fan, the only Apple I've owned is an Apple 2 (that fired up just fine last time I plugged it in). But I would certainly take an Apple product over some piece-of-shit Dell or HP crapware. My current laptop is a Thinkpad...

      • HP is essentially a different company, as it split itself into pieces. Agilent is the real HP. The company with that name today only has some of the original buildings. Whereas Apple has remained the same company all along; it grew and evolved but it never split off its core business and attached the name to some minor sideline instead.

        • Re:!HP (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Patch86 ( 1465427 ) on Sunday January 26, 2014 @04:45AM (#46071493)

          Assuming you don't count the whole messy business with NeXt- i.e., Jobs leaving, founding a competing company, Apple heading to the point of bankruptcy, buying NeXt in a sort of reverse takeover in which the NeXt board (i.e. Jobs) takes control of the company, replacing their entire product line (Mac OS) with NeXt products. And then, of course, switching their primary business model to selling audio players and phones, with their major revenue source being a content distribution platform.

          So yeah, definitely exactly the same company as existed in 1986.

          I still take your point, but it's disingenuous to pretend that Apple hasn't been through the corporate meat grinder just as much as any other long-lived company.

    • Re:!HP (Score:4, Informative)

      by russotto ( 537200 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @04:54PM (#46068189) Journal

      Schiller's wrong, but HP isn't the company which exists from that era. It's Compaq, they just call themselves HP.

    • by Greyfox ( 87712 )
      I don't think HP made PCs back then. Didn't they jump on the bandwagon after Dell proved you could do it profitably?
      • HP made PCs long before that []. Are you nuts? They have been around longer than Apple.

        • by Greyfox ( 87712 )
          Wow, dunno how I missed that one back then. Their marketing department must have been worst than Commodore's.
    • Re:!HP (Score:5, Insightful)

      by bloodhawk ( 813939 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @06:21PM (#46068777)
      Today's Apple is also nothing like the Apple of 80's. It is arguably undergone even more drastic changes than HP.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:24PM (#46067597)

    The company that started in the garage in the picture is now called Aligent. HP that is in business now was a spin off that has little to do with the company started by the founders of HP

  • and they are still making computers...

  • by MachineShedFred ( 621896 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:43PM (#46067711) Journal

    A marketing guy said something untrue? SAY IT ISN'T SO!

    I'm guessing the only reason this story is here is so they can rack a couple OMG APPLE IS SO ARROGANT FUCK THEM posts from 7-digit newcomers around here.

    God I miss the pre-Dice Slashdot.

    • Re: (Score:2, Troll)

      by ttucker ( 2884057 )

      I'm guessing the only reason this story is here is so they can rack a couple OMG APPLE IS SO ARROGANT FUCK THEM posts from 7-digit newcomers around here.

      They are arrogant; and indeed, fuck them.

    • by Nimey ( 114278 )

      Aw, piss off. Those people were here before Dice, even before VA.

    • by Slartibartfast ( 3395 ) <ken @ j> on Saturday January 25, 2014 @04:24PM (#46067957) Homepage Journal

      I thought the story was a reasonable one. While I do miss the pre-Dice days, the days I really miss are the pre-Y2K days. Taco commentary, movie reviews, "quickies," Hemos, Cowboy Neal poll options... I just enjoyed the by-the-seat-of-their-pants feel. And that has been gone for quite some time. Certainly before you registered. ;-)

    • by Sancho ( 17056 )

      Slashdot hasn't been the same in a very, very long time. But I try not to judge people by their UID.

      • Huh Slashdot was better back then? Really? Colour me pink! I was there in the early days and it is still pretty much the same. Albeit the best improvement that was made is the rating system.

        • by Culture20 ( 968837 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @05:42PM (#46068553)

          Huh Slashdot was better back then? Really? Colour me pink!

          Some say it was better when it waspink. With ponies.

        • I *do* think that the content was better back then. I really felt like Rob not only had a vested interest, but really put part of himself into the site. I strongly feel that Roblimo's entrance was a direct correlation with a diminishment in fun. I can't put my finger on it, but something about the guy just rubs me the wrong way -- though if I'm honest, it probably started with the Alex Chiu story ( And damn, but that was 2001.


    • Hardly anyone gave a shit about Apple when I joined. A tribute to their recent success I guess. Now get off my lawn newbie!

      • That's my recollection as well. Also, Bill Gates was the worst guy EVER. Linux kernel point releases were front page news. But at least we have idle now.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @03:49PM (#46067755)

    I clicked on that timeline link, using my iPad. Thing is, that page doesn't work well with touch devices. Schiller probably did the same thing I did, and naturally came to the conclusion HP's history ended in 1966.

  • by shippo ( 166521 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @04:07PM (#46067853)
    I can think of a couple of other manufacturers who are still going, and were producing machines at the the time of original Mac. One of these is a major name, another is obscure, even in it's own country. The first is of course Toshiba, who were producing CP/M systems in 1980, if not earlier. The other is the British manufacturer Research Machines, who produce exclusively for the UK educational sector. Their RM 380Z, another CP/M box, appeared in 1977. RM are still producing PCs for education today, but I believe that they will soon be moving out of hardware whilst continuing with their software and support services.
  • who's next? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by beefoot ( 2250164 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @04:14PM (#46067893)
    Does that mean Apple is the next to go?
  • Granted, it had a name change, but it's been around since "Mac days."

  • Dell (1984), IBM (1981, now owned by Lenovo), Gateway (1985, now owned by Acer), and Acer (1981).

    But go on, tell us more about how you are the only ones left from that time making personal computers. And how you created the GUI. And the portable music player. And the smartphone. And the tablet computer. Oh yes, tell us more...

  • by drkim ( 1559875 )

    Cray is still around building computers... []

    ...and they started in "72 when Jobs was just 17 years old.

    They installed their first system at Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1976

  • The quote is

    "Every company that made computers when we started the Mac, they're all gone, we're the only one left. We're still doing it, and growing faster than the rest of the PC industry because of that willingness to reinvent ourselves over and over." said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide marketing

    As far as making personal computers before Apple and still doing it, I think it's a stretch to count HP because of a calculator, and I'm not even counting HP's attempt to get out of the PC market recently. The HP-150 that came out after they started working on the Mac... is that even in the same ballgame as the 1984 Mac, I don't think so.

    Apple started on the Mac in 1980 from what I can tell.

    The nitpicking is really skewing his point - HP is ALSO still around because they've had to reinvent the

    • by Arker ( 91948 )

      "Apple started on the Mac in 1980 from what I can tell."

      Eh, the 128k came out in '84.

      Some of the ideas that eventually got included might have been floating around in someone's head at Apple in 1980, but little if anything more than that.

  • by Dr_Marvin_Monroe ( 550052 ) on Saturday January 25, 2014 @04:40PM (#46068091)

    HP doesn't have the tradition of a "Computer Company". They make computer hardware, but that doesn't put them in the same league as Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Intel and Oracle. Same goes for Dell and Lenovo.

    Full disclosure, I've purchased 2 HP laptops in the last two years, so I'm not bashing on HP. They made/make the best calculators and they used to make electronic test equipment. Those were rugged (as much as test equipment can be outside Fluke), accurate and high performance. They also used to make the best laser printers you could buy ( at a reasonable cost). Moving into the commodity PC market and selling off their test equipment branch was a huge mistake. They've had some really bad leadership over the years and they seem to keep killing their best products just at the point when it could really make a positive difference for them.

    They're not a computer company, they just happen make computer hardware...this month may be something else.

    • by plopez ( 54068 )

      They have a pretty good storage and cloud systems management software products. I think they should dump their PC division and focus on the infrastructure and services distributed cloud services will need.

    • HP doesn't have the tradition of a "Computer Company".

      Yeah, they've only been making computers since 1966 [].

  • If PC means "Pocket Calculator" :)

  • ... so technically dead. From cutting edge, high quality products to scammy consumer crap in 2 decades. It was amazing to watch.

  • I know I'm showing my age, but when I was little, computers were these huge things that sat in climate-controlled rooms. Unless that kind of hardware is now removed from the definition of "computer", I can think of a few pre-Apple manufacturers that are still around, like IBM, NCR, and Unisys.

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