Apple Blocks Lawrence Lessig's Comment On iOS 7 Wi-Fi Glitch 326
destinyland writes "A glitch in iOS7 has cost "a significant number" of Apple users their Wi-Fi access, according to ZDNet. But they also report that Apple is now censoring posts in their "Apple Support Communities" forums where users suggest possible responses to their loss of WiFi capabilities (including exercising their product warranty en masse). "We understand the desire to share experiences in your topic, 'Re: wifi greyed out after update to ios7,'" read one warning sent to Lawrence Lessig, "but because these posts are not allowed on our forums, we have removed it." Lessig — who co-founded Creative Commons (and was a board member of the Free Software Foundation) has been documenting the ongoing "comments slaughter" on his Twitter feed, drawing attention to what he says is the Borg-like behavior of Apple as a corporation. Lessig "is now part of an angry mob in Apple's forums who upgraded to iOS 7 and lost Wi-Fi connectivity," ZDNet notes, adding that as of this morning their reporter has been unable to obtain an official response from Apple."
Hmm (Score:3, Insightful)
Walled garden is walled.
What did you expect?
(EVE Online oblig: Damage Control II works in PvP!!11one)
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I expect the device to work as advertised. Walled garden is irrelevant in this context.
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For him, it ought to be sin #1 through infinity. It's almost as bad as if RMS switched to Windows or something.
Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Interesting)
Apple is really strict about not letting people give out certain kinds of technical advice or speculation on their support forums, on the not-unreasonable basis that things posted there have Apple's tacit approval. When I hung out on Nokia's support boards it was similar.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Insightful)
...on the other hand, the Warranty information page would seem to be exactly the sort of thing Apple should not be deleting.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been having wifi issues since upgrading to iOS7, but only intermitently. I could not connect to wifi at all for the first 2 days, but now it connects most of the time. About once a week I have to power the phone off and on to get wifi working again. I saw a thread on the discussion pages during my first 2 day outage (maybe the same one, maybe not) that was telling everyone your wifi chip had physically been damaged by the update and to go to the Applestore for a new phone. Presumably my wifi chip hasn't been physically damaged because it works the vast majority of the time, and if they are telling everyone something that is demonstrably false (in Apple's opinion anyway), the I could see why Apple might intervene.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Funny)
The vacuum tubes Apple uses for their wifi radios are known to take a while to warm up. You should have fewer (or no) problems from now on.
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Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Funny)
It's worth it though. Streaming audio just feels so much "warmer" than the harsh sound from transistor-based transceivers. The soundstage feels much more natural, and I can distinguish characteristics of the music that just aren't there on other devices. The tubes recreate the missing detail from lossy encoding, and I can hear the faint heartbeat of the musician, and even perceive what kind of mood the musicians were in during the recording. (Spoiler alert: The Lumineers are actually seething with rage in "Ho Hey.") If you place an earbud into a nostril instead, you can literally smell the aromas present in the studio, like the haze of Jamaican Gold during No Woman No Cry, or the remnants of Ringo's bio break wafting after him as he sneaks back into the studio on Hey Jude. Really powerful stuff. This works for highly compressed video too. If I watch a video of some Mario Bros. gameplay on YouTube, I can see the individual hairs in Mario's 'stache, or the wet spot on the ground after the Goomba's guts get squished out.
Pro tip: to double the detail, use 5 GHz instead of 2.4 GHz.
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Since when do we consider partially installed applications "shite code". All software, except some viruses, breaks when only parts of the executable are installed.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:4, Interesting)
Obviously, this is anecdotal, but when my wife upgraded, she had the greyed-out WiFi setting.
I restored her phone from scratch, and it didn't fix it.
We then took her phone to the Apple store, and the tech (I refuse to call them geniuses) said the hardware had failed. Thankfully, she was 8 days (?!!) away from warranty expiration, so she got a shiny new 4S.
I understand that iOS7 did a firmware upgrade, and that can stress the hardware - but no errors appeared during the upgrade process. You'd think an incomplete flash would at least kick out something.
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Since when do we consider partially installed applications "shite code". All software, except some viruses, breaks when only parts of the executable are installed.
Normally we wouldn't. But that's not the "shite code" I refer to, but to the installer that clearly isn't ready-for-primetime if it is failing the same way on many hundreds of thousands (or millions) of phones the same exact way... and if the installer puts so much stress on the hardware that it is permanently broken (check down the thread a bit) that's a problem, too.
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User error? Use the warranty!
Software bug? Use the warranty!
Scratched display? Use the warranty!
Just don't like it any more? Use the warranty!
If you have any problem whatsoever, use the warranty! Now you have two problems.
Honestly, I just can't get worked up about this justified censorship. Until Apple releases some kind of official solution (which might very well be "send it in for repair"), giving out wrong solutions just increases the amount of trouble involved. Having managed a help desk before, I've se
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By resorting to the warranty's options, Apple's operational cost rises, and the user still doesn't have wi-fi on their phone.
If I'd spent the best part of $1,000 on a phone and the wi-fi stopped wroking, the last thing I'd care about is the manufacturer's operational costs.
Perhaps if enough people send their phones back, they might not release an operating system that breaks peoples' phones next time.
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punish the vendor so that the vendor hurts.
pain is a GREAT motivator.
its a valid way to 'fix' a problem. if that's what it takes to get apple to improve their quality, so be it.
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I'm not saying that you should care about Apple's costs, but Apple probably does, so they have no reason to allow posts encouraging unnecessary warranty claims. You would likely care that you're going through extra hassle when an official solution will likely be released soon. It was broken by software, so it can probably be fixed by software.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Insightful)
Subsidies are still costs. Someone has to pay it. If you don't know who is paying it, chances are it's you.
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Subsidies are still costs. Someone has to pay it. If you don't know who is paying it, chances are it's you.
And probably with interest. :)
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I don't get your point about "true cost" and comparisons.
I'd be pretty pissed if I forked out a bunch for the Galaxy Note III and a vendor update stopped the wifi. If they didn't fix it ASAP, then yes I would return it under warranty since a phone without wifi is crap.
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waste time undoing users' community-given fixes for problems, like adding RAM to remove a virus
Did it help when you made them remove the added RAM?
Great example, man.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Insightful)
User error? Use the warranty!
Software bug? Use the warranty!
Scratched display? Use the warranty!
Just don't like it any more? Use the warranty!
If you have any problem whatsoever, use the warranty! Now you have two problems.
Honestly, I just can't get worked up about this justified censorship. Until Apple releases some kind of official solution (which might very well be "send it in for repair"), giving out wrong solutions just increases the amount of trouble involved. Having managed a help desk before, I've seen how often we had to waste time undoing users' community-given fixes for problems, like adding RAM to remove a virus (thanks, Geek Squad!). By resorting to the warranty's options, Apple's operational cost rises, and the user still doesn't have wi-fi on their phone.
I have been a satisfied Apple user for over a decade now, but I came in here to say that Apple's discussion forum censorship is for reals one of the worst things about the company. But then I read a few posts like yours. Your post is a prime example of why I keep coming back to Slashdot despite the dupes and terrible editing and clickbait content. Instead of having my biases reinforced, I often have my mind expanded and my thoughts provoked by reading interesting alternative viewpoints here.
Thanks, man. *brofist*
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I looked up the links in the article, and it seems he had bought the 4s second hand so he doesn't have warranty. It worked before the OS update though.
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Honestly, I just can't get worked up about this justified censorship. Until Apple releases some kind of official solution (which might very well be "send it in for repair"), giving out wrong solutions just increases the amount of trouble involved. Having managed a help desk before, I've seen how often we had to waste time undoing users' community-given fixes for problems, like adding RAM to remove a virus (thanks, Geek Squad!). By resorting to the warranty's options, Apple's operational cost rises, and the user still doesn't have wi-fi on their phone.
So, how long do you think people should wait for Apple to give "some kind of official solution"?
A day? Week? Month? Year?
I mean, I can't see why people would be upset that device which they paid hundreds of dollars for does not work and they also have no idea how long before they would be given "some kind of official solution".
It is just natural to wait for weeks/months in such situations, isn't it?
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Keeping the wrong solution posted just to avoid people seeking out other wrong solutions elsewhere (which they could and probably will do anyway), isn't a solution.
so add an official "don't do this" comment (Score:3, Insightful)
Arguably the most ethical response is to leave the original comment there, but preface it with a note from tech support suggesting that the recommendation is not correct and giving reasons why.
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The internet has come to expect companies to display criticism and things that are generally detrimental to themselves on their web sites. Amazon is the leader in this area, often having overwhelmingly negative reviews of products displayed as the "most helpful". It gives customers confidence that they are not being bullshitted or ripped off, and that if there really were any major flaws in a product people would have publicised them.
Aside from anything else you can't cover this sort of thing up any more. Y
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users posting on a support forum are NOT speaking for apple!
censorship is censorship, that's all there is to be said about this.
Re:Pretty common support forums policies (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm not at all surprised that Apple or Nokia behave this way. But, my goodness, Lessig was on the FSF board and now he's using an Apple phone?
His comments would not be deleted from a Replicant mailing list or a xda-developers - they'd be dealt with by engineers (at least acknowledged/triaged). If that's the kind of experience he wants, he's using the wrong phone.
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No, the reasonable assumption is that the forums are there for users to post, and so the content there does not represent apple's position unless the poster is an apple employee authorized to speak on behalf of apple.
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Apple is really strict about not letting people give out certain kinds of technical advice or speculation on their support forums, on the not-unreasonable basis that things posted there have Apple's tacit approval.
No kidding. I don't think the submission helps by being vague about what was being posted:
Apple is now censoring posts in their "Apple Support Communities" forums where users suggest possible responses to their loss of WiFi capabilities
Possible response? I wasn't sure what that meant, so I read Lessig's blog to get an idea of sort of "possible responses" Apple was cruelly censoring. If his post is any indication of what he posted on his forum, no one should be surprised the Apple deleted it:
I skipped all the drastic steps others seem to have taken such as putting in freezer or the one where I guy heats his wifi chip up to 300degrees which by the way seem to have worked quite well.
Heating up the WiFi chip to 300 degrees? And it worked "quite well??" No surprise at all that Apple deleted this kind of "advice" from their official support for
Apple forums are a wholesome place (Score:5, Funny)
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I, for one, applaud Apple's efforts to keep the Apple support forums all singing praises for Apple and its products. When I visit those forums, I do not want to see critique of Apple and its products. I want my visit to be positive and cheerful.
I am so happy that Apple is providing such a wholesome environment for me to visit and discuss Apple's products.
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^Funny
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Why would Apple even need a support forum? Having an entire forum would seem to indicate that there could be issues, or people might need help doing something. Surely a product that's as awesome as the iWhatever is perfect and such a forum would be completely unnecessary.
Instead of being called a "support forum", how about we call it a "awesomeness forum" for people to proclaim their undying love for Apple.
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Why would Apple even need a support forum?
Maybe smug Apple fans need a place to go and blast non-believers, so they can feel superior. It's kind of like when Christians host fake atheist forums to proselytize.
Re:Apple forums are a wholesome place (Score:5, Funny)
It used to be grey. Now it's all sorts of bright happy colours.
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Here is the history of Apple, inc. in colours: beige, fruit colours, white, silver/black/grey, neon colours.
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How about iWork? (Score:2)
It's funny that they'd censor the iOS7 forums given the nasty language bandied about in the iWork forums about the evisceration of the office suite. I suppose that they don't care about iWork (it certainly shows).
Re: How about iWork? (Score:2, Insightful)
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That's the point - they're not censoring complaints - there are plenty of those on those very boards. They remove specific things that break the posting rules (and note; criticising Apple or its products is not against the rules). One of those rules is saying something like "the iOS7 update damaged your wifi hardware, so get your phone exchanged under warranty", when no such thing is indicated right now.
Even if that does turn out to be the eventual outcome of the bug, posting that sort of information now an
Re: How about iWork? (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't think anyone said "the iOS7 update damaged your wifi hardware". Here's one post that got removed:
Before I have another post removed I urge all those affected with wifi issues to exercise your rights as I have done as published on apples vet own website.
http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/ [apple.com]
There are far too many of us affected for this to be a coincidence or consumer caused problem, I had a 16gb white 4s purchased in July 2013 and wifi was completely greyed out no matter what fixes I was advised to try.
I have been successful in my claim and am now in receipt of a brand new iPhone 5, this was provided to me by the phone shop I signed my O2 contract with last year.
Good luck and persevere
Lessig went back to ask a question and found that the post had been deleted, so he re-posted it and that one got deleted also. It's not about spreading false information, Apple just doesn't want people to use the warranty route (for possibly a good reason, since they did end up replacing the above device and thereby possibly admitting that it's their problem).
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Maybe their wi-fi doesn't work.
I wonder if a DFU restore might fix... (Score:4, Informative)
I've read about glitches when one does an update, so I wonder if the Wi-Fi problem would go away if someone backed up their device (would have to be dumped to a computer with iTunes), did an erase all, then followed it up by a DFU restore. This method pretty much ensures that all data stored on the device is erased. Then the device can be restored, apps/music reinstalled, and things back to normal.
This also stems from a general IT lesson I learned. If possible, when it comes to OS upgrading time with major number versions [1], one is best off rebuilding a server from scratch than updating it, due to cruft left behind from the previous OS, and other inconsistencies which might cause issues later on. Sometimes this isn't possible, other times, it is easily done.
[1]: The cautious exception are RPM based Linux distros which are really just stacks of filesets snapshotted and regression tested at a certain point in time. Those, I can just increment the version number, run yum upgrade, and be done with it, since it is more of a large update than a major version upgrade. Even with these, it doesn't hurt to install from scratch since it seems that RPM databases tend to get corrupted over time.
Freedom of the press (Score:5, Insightful)
Applies to the guy who owns the press.
Apples behavior is pretty much expected, I doubt few if any companies would ever let people use their resources to organize action against them. It seems Lessig is going a little over the top in his reaction to this. It can hardly come as a shock to him.
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Applies to the guy who owns the press.
Apples behavior is pretty much expected, I doubt few if any companies would ever let people use their resources to organize action against them. It seems Lessig is going a little over the top in his reaction to this. It can hardly come as a shock to him.
Apple equals eyeballs, whether it is here or someone's blog. Dell, Microsoft, HP? Boring. Apple? Adrenaline. People just need to chill sometimes.
Yes, Apple deletes posts from their forums (Score:3)
Especially if you write that everyone should return their phones.
Use another forum to get your word out Lessig. You know how this game is played.
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If only some major tech site would get the word out. Any you can suggest?
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Why be a smart-ass and not recommend one yourself? I mean a lot of us here waste enough time with the likes of slashdot that we don't have time for reading major tech sites etc.
The Fix is Simple (Score:2)
So much anger and action (Score:2)
at broken shiny things I wodner if they would do the same against NSA supplied iphones.
my 2 cents for Lessig (Score:4, Funny)
Problem not unique to Apple... (Score:2)
Disclosure: I am an Apple fan -- but I absolutely will not defend the practice of purging negative comments from community forums. I think censorship is probably the single most frustrating experience anyone can have in a forum, warranted or not. I speak from experience: I've been censored recently as well -- in an entirely different forum, and for reasons which seemed entirely unreasonable to me. Ironically, I had made the egregious error of trying to help.
In responding to a thread about a bug, I descr
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They're not purging negative comments, they're purging comments that are telling people to take their phones into Apple to have them exchanged under warranty because the update physically broke the wifi chip.
There are plenty of critical comments of Apple and their products on those boards.
However, that doesn't make for very effective click bait.
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"There are plenty of critical comments of Apple and their products on those boards."
As one should expect. Support forums are where people having problems with the products are supposed to go.
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I described one software development methodology (scrum, if that matters) to a crowd of discontent gamers in the Steam forum. I then painstakingly crafted a reasoned explanation for why that process necessitates that this particular bug in an older game (Half-Life: Opposing Force, which had been recently ported to both Linux and Mac) simply won't be fixed anytime soon, because the Steam developers are almost certainly entirely wrapped up in the development of Half Life 3.
What does Scrum have to to with allocation of development resources between development and bug fixing? I do mostly bug fixes rather than new feature development at my company, and we use scrum methodology for our maintenance team. I'm not sure how this would be even related to HL3, much less why you would think that HL3 is drawing resources from other projects to the point that bug fixes must stop.
But Android is forked and fragmented! (Score:2)
At times like this, I am reminded that the alternative to fragmentation and forking and all manner of inconsistencies is monoculture. When monoculture works, it works nicely and that's all that most people have in mind when they strive for it. But the other side of that coin? What affects one, generally affects them all.
Violation of Policy (Score:2)
there are ways to handle something like this (Score:2)
he was made whole (got a 5 instead of the 4s he purchased in July 2013 (a 4s? this year? really?)
and continued to complain (in a non constructive/technical way) despite the fact that he was made whole by his carrier... so if it works for the VAST majority of users, and his problem was resolved by getting new hardware.. why continue?
stopped reading after the first few lines - Lessig is a fucking crybaby.
http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/65338904338/wow-or-from-the-when-apple-became-the-borg-department [tumblr.com]
There are f
it just works! (Score:2)
Or rather it used to.
Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Funny)
Fortunately I can't read it, becuase my iPhone lost wi-fi access.
Re:Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Informative)
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Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Interesting)
If Apple has no reason to censor, then why are the comments disappearing from the forum? If people are legitimately experiencing wi-fi connection issues, shouldn't others be aware of it and Apple take the appropriate action?
Or is Apple following the path of Nikon which refused to acknowledge the oil-on-the-censor issue on some non-insignificant portion of their D600 camera, then less than a year later released the D610 which miraculously doesn't have the issue but which is the exact same camera? Is that possibly why Apple just pushed out the 7.3 update?
However, if people are having issue with wi-fi, how are they supposed to get the update since updating requires a wi-fi connection?
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Funny)
If Apple has no reason to censor, then why are the comments disappearing from the forum? If people are legitimately experiencing wi-fi connection issues, shouldn't others be aware of it and Apple take the appropriate action?
Exactly. As you just said, Apple has no reason to censor posts in their forums, and thus they aren't. Clearly, in the hysteria that quite reasonably surrounds any Apple product release, these people must have simply forgotten that they never made such blasphemous and hurtful posts against Apple, and are clearly just mistaken about ever having posted anything at all.
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Informative)
I think this "angry mob" is just a angry man.
Yes, because as anyone who's familiar with Lessig's work knows, he's *so* hot-headed, overly emotional, and generally unreasonable. Watch the 'angry man' rave! [ted.com]
/sarcasm
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Interesting)
I manage 44 devices in building that use iOS7, this week I've had 108 wifi connection issues on those 44 devices and it's only Tuesday.
The 121 devices running Mac OS, Windows 7, Windows 8 and Linux that I manage have had 0 wifi connection issues.
Apple has a bad history of this. (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple has no reason to censor anything, there's lots of complaints on the forums already
And yet they do it. Frequently. Here's [engadget.com] a few [macresource.com] more [wikia.com] examples. [examiner.com]
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I wouldn't worry too much - the chances of this affecting you are minimal. I've upgraded 6 different devices to iOS 7 over the last month (I waited until the 7.0.2 fix for the lock screen/security issues though) and haven't had any problems...this is the first I've heard of any WiFi complaints (and I read quite a lot of Apple stories).
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I've upgraded all my iOS devices, everyone I know that own one has also upgraded. No issue so far. Your pick.
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No one invited you here, Mr. Cook.
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Second, Apple stories garner among the highest number of comments and therefore user interaction and ad views. Based on this it is clear that the Slashdot crowd likes discussing
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The same question might be asked of you fanboys: Don't you get tired of defending the windmills?..or does it help compensate for lack of self-worth? That's what apple marketing predates on. It's right up there with scientology.
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Though at the moment, hating Microsoft is passe, while all the cool kids hate Apple.
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:2, Informative)
Portions of the Slashdot community have been anti-Apple since the "hacker proof" sealed box Macintosh came out in 1984.
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:4, Insightful)
I like Apple. What I can't stand is their users. Every system have design flaws, Apples have plenty of them but for some reason the RDF is too strong.
Seriously, just look at their USB power adapter. Who the fuck designs a switched regulator and places the switch diode on another PCB than the transformer? Also, folding back the low voltage part over the buffer capacitor doesn't seem like the brightest thing to do.
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butbutbut...the housing is smoooooth and silllly whiiite...smoooth and shinyy...
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A software update that came out this year counts as a hardware problem from before Steve killed someone by gaming the organ transplant system? You'll have to explain that logic to me...
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Informative)
Disclosure: I used to work for Apple in their Customer Relations Department.
You are correct that the perceived quality of Apple products is just the same Chinese manufactured products in a flashy shell with really good advertising. I know they've been doing this since the return of Steve Jobs to apple and the candy colored iMacs. I can't speak about before that time. How they managed to create the perception of superior quality products while using the same cut-rate manufacturers used by Dell while at the same time instituting Apple's infamous "No Return" policy is baffling to me. You couldn't even return same day D.O.A. (Dead on Arrival) equipment to the store you bought it from. You had to take it in for repair. Add this with the debacle of the Power Mac G4 Cube which had over a 33% D.O.A. rate that Apple was denying and their success can't be explained by anything short of Jobs making a deal with the devil. It's that illogical. Needless to say that it was not a fun time to work for Apple Customer Relations.
Their policies have improved some, mostly due to the work of the Attorneys General of several states and the European Union but, they still use the same manufacturing facility that all the other electronic companies use (Foxconn). So all they still do is put it in a pretty package and charge more for it. Yet, people still fall for it in droves. *sigh* I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:4, Insightful)
Re: Another day, another anti-Apple story (Score:5, Interesting)
You must be new here, /. has been anti apple since Android came out years ago
The question then is why was Lessig — who co-founded Creative Commons (and was a board member of the Free Software Foundation) using an iPhone in the first place?
You sort of expect just a little more dogfooding that that from a pontificater like Lessig.
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If English isn't your first language, don't make fun of someone using common phrases correctly.
Re:How is that Lawrence Lessig uses IOS? (Score:5, Funny)
Like most people, he uses it via touch screen.
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Re:Pardon me, but... (Score:5, Informative)
Have to agree. We're deploying iPhones to replace Blackberries and the number of hoops I had to jump through just to create Appled ID accounts for corporate use was mindnumbing. Not to mention the constant pestering with every update.
Yes, Enable Location Services. No, don't use iCloud. No, I don't want to answer security questions. I told you this when I set up the phone the first time, and every time I've updated. Why do you keep asking me?
Not to mention the joke with ID accounts themselves. You set one up then, when you go to load your first app, you're told you have to review/update your information so you can sign into iTunes! WTF?! I don't want to sign into iTunes. I want to install a free, non-Apple app.
There is no way I can recommend an iPhone to anyone. Sure, they look cool and work (mostly), but the nagging and Big Brother nonsense just doesn't make them worth the effort.
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There is no way I can recommend an iPhone to anyone. Sure, they look cool and work (mostly), but the nagging and Big Brother nonsense just doesn't make them worth the effort.
Exactly why I won't ever buy another one or recommend them. You hand over lots of $$, they hand you a device and say, "Have fun with 'our' device and remember, you can only do what we allow you do with it. If we don't approve of it then you can't do it."
In other words, you never own the device. Apple isn't big brother, Apple is mommy and daddy that have your, er I mean their device locked down.
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I dislike android (its a POS given how big google is and how 'powerful' that company claims to be, genius-wise) but I refuse to buy an iphone since it will probably annoy me even more.
I wish we had a 3rd choice. today, its either android or iphone and both of them fall way short of what I think a pocket computer SHOULD be.
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Isn't this something that configuration profiles handle? You aren't setting up every iPhone manually are you?
Cool is elsewhere (Score:2)
all that matters is that I look cool when I hold it.
I think Samsung took all the cool. Although the wind of coolness is definitely with LG right now.
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I think Samsung took all the cool. Although the wind of coolness is definitely with LG right now.
Samsung cool? Just don't look too close. Starting with a CEO who is a convicted criminal (yes, he was pardoned because he was _so_ important for his country), multiple convictions for price fixing, getting confidential information about competitors from their lawyers, threatened with a multi-billion fine for anti-competitive behaviour in the EU, they are absolutely cool.
And when they have nobody to copy, they create really cool products like their "gear" watch.
Those Imaginary Days (Score:2)
When every story on slashdot was "Microsoft sucks" and every comment was "If only Apple could get enough momentum to crush Microsoft."
What days you are referring to? Microsoft still produces second quality software to the competition, but is a monopoly. Something they still are in the Legacy Desktop Software. Everybody was aware that Apple were/is going nowhere. There model simply does not allow it. They bundle their OS with commodity hardware and double the price...make lots of money, "crush"(sic) not so much.
Most here have lamented the dull duopoly(I still do). Which hasn't changed. The fact that Apple is now an electronics company is p
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"What days you are referring to? Microsoft still produces second quality software to the competition, but is a monopoly."
Do they really though? The security arguments over Windows have been pretty much dead since Windows 7, and stability arguments dead going back to Windows 2000.
Their office suite is still better than anything else, and their database server is at the higher end of the offerings available. Their dev tools are excellent.
There is some shit they produce but Microsoft software is much better th
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Oh how the times have changed... different companies, same bitches. You people are never happy. LOL.
Because although companies may change, the humans that run them are exactly the same. Call me when human nature changes.
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