iOS 7 Beta 3 Now Available For iPhone, iPad and iPod Touch 205
An anonymous reader writes "Apple on Monday released iOS 7 beta 3 for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch to developers. Apple unveiled iOS 7 during its WWDC 2013 keynote in early June, and the new software was met with mixed responses. While some believe iOS 7 is a big leap forward in terms of innovation, BGR said that iOS 7 focused mainly on renovation rather than the introduction of innovative new features. Of course, Apple still may have some surprises in store for the release version of iOS 7 this fall, especially considering the next-generation iPhone 5S is expected to launch around the same time with an integrated fingerprint scanner."
OMG, it still looks the same (Score:2)
it sucks
as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?
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as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?
The ability to install apps from sources that aren't the official app store and the ability to develop apps for free without paying a $100/year subscription?
Plus an open source kernel, so you can verify that all your activity isn't being routed directly to Apple for the NSA. I mean, "advertising purposes."
Re:OMG, it still looks the same (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm sure you've reviewed every line of all the open source code on your Android device to ensure none of your activities are being sent anywhere you don't want them to.
You haven't. Hoping someone else has doesn't cut it either, unless you review it how do you know there are no backdoors?
And besides all of that.. congratulations, you're likely using one of the four major cellular providers who all provide a direct feed to the NSA anyway.
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the kernel might be open source but there is lots of non-open software on every android phone that can send data to NSA. carrier IQ for instance
Re:OMG, it still looks the same (Score:5, Informative)
You know what happened? People *DID* look it up. The version of CarrierIQ on iPhones did not send anything to Apple unless you enabled diagnostics. So the user selected to send info.
Additionally, tcpdumps showed that only the minimal information was sent, certainly not texts, emails or attachments.
And Android/Nexus did not have CarrierIQ.
However, carriers put them in (aka, crapware), and some of these carriers enabled the "send texts, emails and attachments as well" features.
So, in the future, please keep your stories straight. TYVM.
Wishful thinking (Score:2)
So, in the future, please keep your stories straight.
An Apple Hater couldn't keep his story straight if it were sitting under a hot iron.
You can install from other sources (Score:5, Insightful)
The ability to install apps from sources that aren't the official app store and the ability to develop apps for free without paying a $100/year subscription?
Both have the same answer - Jailbreak. Which is easy to do if you are technically inclined enough to want to program or to be able to protect yourself from malicious sideloaded programs.
Once jailbroken, you can deploy anything you like without paying the $100 fee to deploy to your device. It also opens up the ability to easily hack any third party application with simple code additions.
Meanwhile non-technical users get a fairly secure system that they cannot screw up too easily.
And on a side note, you don't even need to jailbreak just to install apps from sources not from the app store. Anyone can install ad-hoc builds, anyone with an enterprise license can provide installable apps to anyone (though technically they are supposed to be employees).
Plus an open source kernel, so you can verify that all your activity isn't being routed directly to Apple for the NSA
iOS is as open source in that regard, and there've also been quite a lot of people analyzing network traffic outbound from it.
It's absurd to clam that (for instance) the Android that ships with a Samsung or Motorola phone is something you can see all the source code for... that simply is not true.
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iOS is as open source in that regard, and there've also been quite a lot of people analyzing network traffic outbound from it.
Cool, where can I download the source and compile my own build without the spying/advertising? How do I install it on my iDevice? Obviously there will be a few binary blob drivers, but the core OS is open source and can be operated without any link to Apple/iTunes/App Store etc, right?
Once jailbroken ... you are in an arms race with Apple who keep trying to disable the exploits you n
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Cool, where can I download the source and compile my own build without the spying/advertising?
You just use the provided Apple OS builds since they don't spy or provide advertising details, if you've switched that option off in settings.
Surely someone as technically "knowledgeable" as yourself can find a settings switch?
Or you hook into the OS services and block anything you like.
the core OS is open source and can be operated without any link to Apple/iTunes/App Store etc, right?
Yes [apple.com]
you are in an arms race wi
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You just use the provided Apple OS builds since they don't spy or provide advertising details, if you've switched that option off in settings.
So what you are saying is:
a) It isn't actually open source in the same way as Android
b) I should trust you and Apple on this, even though the device MUST be activated through Apple and the only way to get apps on it is via the App Store or paying Apple for a developer/corporate account?
You can compile AOSP from source and use it without a single byte being sent to or
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a) It isn't actually open source in the same way as Android
Thankfully not.
b) I should trust you and Apple on this, even though the device MUST be activated through Apple and the only way to get apps on it is via the App Store or paying Apple for a developer/corporate account?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify [wikipedia.org]
As a long time Apple user and developer I know that that Apple work to protect users privacy far more than any other OS system does. The app store restrictions, and the sandboxing means that every year it becomes harder and harder for software to do something malicious or thoughtless that threatens the users privacy. And Apple's own software respects user privacy too. But this isn't simply a matter of trust. People run packet sniffers on iOS dev
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Ripe bullshit. Not that they don't steal ideas from the jailbreak community, but that they don't care about tethered jailbreaks. That would imply a lax attitude towards security from Apple, and I don't believe that for a moment.
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Ah yes, play the stupid cat and mouse game with Apple so that you can do as you please. No, the reality is to break out of the Stockholm Syndrome and stop buying Apple products.
After all, Apple has been pushing hard to get the Jailbreaking exemption removed. Once they achieve that goal (especially if the bullshit from the LoC last round is a sign of things to come) they'll come down hard on every jailbreaking group to push it even farther underground.
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Jailbreak.
It is not clear that this is even legal on an iPod touch or an iPad. The current DMCA exception from the Librarian of Congress applies only to phones.
Jailbreaking has never voided a warranty (Score:2)
And this is true for as long as someone has a jailbreak available for your device
Which so far is every device.
it voids your warranty.
No, actually, it doesn't. By law in fact. Kind of odd Apple Haters keep bringing this up, when even Congress told them it wasn't true... do you have a mental deficiency that keeps you from processing new information?
ALL Android devices come with this as a simple checkbox option; no rooting or warranty voiding required.
No, you only need to root if you ever want a software upd
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The only basis by which I can see it being -not- a warranty violation is via the Moss-Magnusson act. Mind you, I've argued the same point but no one has ever taken it to court. So you can't claim this.
Do you? You like spouting things without any sort of backup, I don't recall Congress ever making
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Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.
OK, where do I download XCode for Linux?
And, even ignoring the massive cost of an Apple computer, no, you can't. You can't actually use the apps you create without the $100/year subscription fee. You can write them, sure, you just can't run them without that fee. Or give them out, or really do much of anything with them.
Believe it or not, I've actually done some iOS development thanks to people thinking "iOS app" sounds better than "webapp with modern CSS."
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You can't develop on Linux or Windows. And yes it costs $99 per year to be able to test apps on a device and distribute them. And they can only be distributed widely via the Apple App Store. And yet still Apple has literally hundreds of thousands of developers with apps on the app store.
The truth is that those are only barriers to entry to people who are not serious about developing on iOS. They are not significant barriers to any serious developer.
Why would Apple want to lower the already modest barriers t
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write it, send it to your licensed dev for provisioning, signing, & publishing, done
You forgot "test it". That can be done only if you are a licensed dev.
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Oh, and you can totally develop apps for free without paying $100/yr subscription. idk who told you you couldn't. Open up XCode & begin.
I say this as a longtime IOS user and developer. You can download the sdk and develop apps for the ios simulator for free. getting your phone provisioned to run those apps requires a toll.
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But it is, fundamentally, the core of the story here isn't it? After all, that includes your own personal device, let alone anyone else. Apple yanks your chain and makes you pay just for the privilege of letting your app touch even your own hardware.
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Never seen one. I would happily be proven wrong, though I doubt I will.
Last I checked, the $99 fee was the primary toll between you and hardware in all ways, shapes and form.
Re:OMG, it still looks the same (Score:4, Insightful)
1. Consistent data sharing between applications
2. A decent on-screen keyboard. Personally I like the sliding-style ones like Swype and Swiftkey and iOS doesn't do that eithre, but one of my biggest annoyances with iOS is that Apple's keyboard does not change the state of letters on-screen when the shift key has been pressed.
3. Ability to download arbitrary files and organize data in arbitrary ways.
4. Widgets. I'm not a huge fan of them, but it sure is nice to see a list of my e-mails with subject lines right on my home screen.
5. Set default apps to non-Apple options.
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Fair comment about the shift key state (though I suppose one reason why is caps gives readability).
Though I wonder if the reason why Android keyboard alternatives are plentiful is because the default Android keyboard is... well, terr
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So it's pretty much Android 2.1. I can only assume there is something they are holding back, something that will be revealed with the iPhone 5S which no other device is already doing. Then again last time it was Apple Maps.
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one of my biggest annoyances with iOS is that Apple's keyboard does not change the state of letters on-screen when the shift key has been pressed.
Does a physical keyboard do that? No. So it's a bogus requirement. It's a giveaway that you're just listing points of difference between Android and iOS, rather than anything that's actually a deficiency of iOS.
I can honestly say it's never once crossed my mind that a keyboard should do such a thing. It adds nothing. It's a gimmick.
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ios you can set it up for email to be on the lock screen
But what about the home screen? I like my communications to at least be hidden behind the lockscreen, not right up front where any asshole that grabs my phone can peruse my account.
the rest are niche geeky things that i would have cared about a decade ago, but not anymore. i hate most of the widgets and have been deleting most of mine lately. the default app thing seems useless. same with outside the app store apps.
Translation: Well, those aren't features that I find awesome, so therefore they are not awesome at all; you fail for not being able to read my mind.
Realistically, most of the points GP made (specifically, 2-4) are quite valid, regardless of your personal feelings about them.
i hate the mail client on the S3 compared to my iphone
i hate the keyboard compared to iOS
Personal observations, having nothing to do with the act
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5 minutes at an internet enabled computer or a call to the IT people and i can have my iphone wiped remotely. its supported via the OS
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If your Android device has a Google Apps account on it, the Apps administrator doesn't even need that long.
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iPhone 5 is the only phone with sRGB screen.
What does this mean?
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Regarding the Share list, I actually use Andmade Share so that I can edit the list that comes up when I do choose to share. Since I don't use Twitter or Facebook and I don't have any need to share to Imgur or Photobucket, I took those options out. However, I'd far rather have a long and consistent list than have a bunch of things that can pretty much only share with Email and Dropbox.
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it sucks
as someone who carries an iphone 5 and Galaxy S3 daily what is iOS missing that's so awesome on Android?
The ability to download your own apps / apps off a website I would say is the only really interesting thing Android has over IOS. A lot of my friends have complained about the iPhone not having widgets and not liking the "tile" grid. Personally, I think the notification center on both platforms serves as a great mechanism for things I care to know about in a glance (emails/text messages I need to pay attention to, application updates like Skype/whatsapp, and news feeds from select sites). The iPhone has a
Re:OMG, it still looks the same (Score:4, Insightful)
One thing that's VERY important to some people:
Bluetooth Stack implementation.
At work, I pulled my HTC Desire S, fired Bluetooth and could see 17 devices around me. Some laptops, some mobile devices, some headphones and one specialized device. My colleague's iPhone 4 could see none. You can't pair an iPhone with a laptop and seamlessly transfer data between them.
When the iPhone:
- can't see headphones;
- Can't pair with laptops;
- can't pair with OBD II devices
Then it's partly useless, and I don't need a castrated device.
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The inability to send contacts via Bluetooth is especially maddening, as I work in a cell phone kiosk that doesn't have one of those $10,000 machines to transfer contacts so when upgrading customers' phones, I typically use Bluetooth or a memory card to transfer contacts, neither of which are options on the iPhone.
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#3 IOS has cloud backup as part of the OS and free. it will backup over wifi when plugged into a power outlet. and will restore over wifi without needing itunes
only downside is that its 5GB per itunes account so if you share an apple ID like my wife and i do then you have to pay to cloud backup multiple devices
#7 you don't have to install any update you don't want to
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#3 IOS has cloud backup as part of the OS and free. it will backup over wifi when plugged into a power outlet. and will restore over wifi without needing itunes
Do you encrypt the data, or does Apple?
At least with Android/Dropbox, GP has the option to encrypt prior to uploading. Leaving security in the hands of a third party, for-profit venture is never a best practice.
only downside is that its 5GB per itunes account so if you share an apple ID like my wife and i do then you have to pay to cloud backup multiple devices
... So then, it's decidedly not free, unless you stopped acquiring digital property in 2001.
Seriously, that's a bit of a dicking, don't you think? Selling you a 32GB device with "free online storage" that won't even cover 20% of the space available, then charging yet another fee to backup the rest of
Re:OMG, it still looks the same (Score:4, Informative)
1: A "#" prompt. Yes, with great authority comes great responsibility ... Which is why anyone responsible enough to want a command line in the system can simply jailbreak and get one.
2: Better encryption
Despite what you seem to think, iOS has better default encryption for non-technical users, and many advanced built in encryption options for applications to make use of if they wish.
3: Easy backups
Ha! This is one thing iCloud got right, REALLY easy backups that actually work.
5: I can block incoming robocalls.
iOS7.
6: I can do some interesting workflow items.
You can also do many interesting workflow items on iOS, depending on applications. There's usually a chain.
7: I don't have to worry about getting patches pushed out that I can't opt out of.
You can turn off auto-update you know, and it only came along in iOS7...
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Man, you made me laugh.
5: I can block incoming robocalls.
iOS7.
Really, only now you are getting this feature? Android has been able to do this for as long as I can remember, which is at least back to the 1.6 days. This isn't an exciting new feature for iOS7, it's a major failure that you are only getting basic stuff like this after such a long wait.
It seems like you had to wait for Apple to implement it because iOS apps were not allowed to interact with telephony that way.
Which is why anyone responsible enough to want a command line in the system can simply jailbreak and get one.
Jailbreaking is an arms race with Apple. If you do it you are potentially l
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I thought you were talking about Android being better than iOS?
iOS has never required you to update if you didn't want to. This is true way back since 2007 when Jobs introduced it.
Now, iTunes back then prompted you (and still does) that there's an update, but you can click "Cancel" and check "Do not ask me again" and it won't bug you again until there's another update. Which you can decline as well.
In fact, when people were hack
Recurring fee (Score:2)
#3 - iCloud
See #4. Backing up more than 5 GB of data involves a recurring fee, even if you have plenty of available space on a server that uses a protocol other than iCloud.
REALLY?? (Score:2, Insightful)
Ok, look, I'm a huge Apple fanboy and love Apple news but, come ON!! Apple posted a Beta of iOS 7 and that's making it onto the front page?
Guess what? They're going to release another beta of iOS 7 in about two weeks. And then another two weeks later. And so on and so on. Each one will be a bit tighter and tighter until they release the final gold master.
I don't mind seeing these sorts of updates on appleinsider.com but here? Come on!
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They posted it so boring people can have bitter arguments about what irrelevant phone purchase they made is better.
Seriously, its pretty dull.
It's not quite ready for release yet (Score:5, Funny)
Be careful about installing this. The new icons and colour scheme still cause some older display panels to burst into flames or, in extreme cases, the entire device to shut down out of embarrassment.
Cue the emo fanboy ranting from both sides... (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously guys, get over yourselves.
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What's more sad, the people who are passionate about devices, or the people who are passionate about chastizing people for being passionate about devices?
A good question, but I put it to you that there is a difference between being passionate about devices and "emo fanboy ranting". (I am passionate about devices.)
Ewwww... (Score:2)
Exchange Admins: (Score:2)
Get ready for the BOOM!
But seriously, I really hope that the iOS upgrade doesn't crash my Exchange server. I'm tired of the devices blowing up my logs.
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Informative)
Whatever person marked this as flamebait is an overzealous fanboi -- this pretty much exactly describes what happened with my first gen iPad.
Everything crashes all the time, and the device has become rather useless and slow from what it started out as.
I'm going to try to reset it to factory and see what I end up with -- if it goes all the way back to the way I got it, I might not even take the OS upgrade, and just put a skeleton set of software on it and leave it that way.
Like the poster, I'm looking into Android alternatives to the iPad.
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Everything crashes all the time, and the device has become rather useless and slow from what it started out as.
The sad story of every personal computer ever made.
Nobody supports your old platform because there are newer ones, leaving you to run the software last designed for it. /shock /surprise
Software makers can say "Version X of our application now requires platform version Z" but you'd moan about the arbitrariness of those numbers.
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Informative)
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Three years.
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Insightful)
My family has had three Android phones. None of them were released with the latest Android OS, and none of them ever had an official upgrade to the latest Android OS of the time. With one of them, we bought the phone only on the promise by the manufacturer that it would be upgraded to Android 4.x (the hardware is capable), and that won't be happening.
These three Android phone companies said "fuck you" from the very beginning. Never. Again.
The original iPad could run the latest iOS for 2.5 years after its introduction, 1.5 years after its discontinuation. That's far better than the official Android support you'll see.
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Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Informative)
If OS support is important to you, then go with Google's Nexus Android devices. They always get quick updates.
Still *very* hit and miss. For example, the Nexus S was released in December 2010 and Google announced there would be no more software updates for it in November 2012. So thats under 2 years of software updates.
The successor to the Nexus S - the Galaxy Nexus - went on sale in November 2011. So realistically, if you wanted a Nexus device in October 2011 you would've got a whole 1 year's worth of software updates for your money. I'd accept that for a £20 phone, but these things are a similar price to a laptop, and a Windows laptop would have around 10 years of security updates from Microsoft after you bought it...
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All Nexus devices have an unlocked bootloader and full Cyanogen support. If you really get a boner for running the latest and greatest OS (note that it isn't required for 99.9% of apps or features) you can still do it.
What you gain in being able to update Apple devices you more than lose to the lock-down and lack of fairly basic features that have been in Android since the early days. So what if you can't install the latest Google keyboard? Just download it from Play or pick any of the dozens of quality alt
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All Nexus devices have an unlocked bootloader and full Cyanogen support. If you really get a boner for running the latest and greatest OS (note that it isn't required for 99.9% of apps or features) you can still do it.
What you describe is completely beyond the vast majority of phone owners. It really isn't good enough for the vendor to drop support after such a short time on such an expensive device. None of this is about getting a boner running the latest OS, its about the fact that the phone you only bought a year ago is nolonger getting any kind of security updates (I do wonder how this fits into the EU legal framework that requires vendors to fix manufacturing/design defects for at least 2 years after the sale of a
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Been burned three times with Android, not risking it again. I have a friend who got a 3GS for free back in 2011, and it's sitll good for iOS 6. That's four years and three generations old. I find that pretty amazing, especially since it doesn't even have an A-series processor.
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Insightful)
My family has had three Android phones. None of them were released with the latest Android OS, and none of them ever had an official upgrade to the latest Android OS of the time. With one of them, we bought the phone only on the promise by the manufacturer that it would be upgraded to Android 4.x (the hardware is capable), and that won't be happening.
These three Android phone companies said "fuck you" from the very beginning. Never. Again.
The original iPad could run the latest iOS for 2.5 years after its introduction, 1.5 years after its discontinuation. That's far better than the official Android support you'll see.
*All* of the phone vendors have ridiculously short support periods. You can go out and buy a £300 laptop with Windows 8 on it and MS will support that for at least 10 years, after which you can probably upgrade the OS yourself and get a few years more support (I would hazard that current chipsets may well still be perfectly servicable in 10 years time. Certainly my 6 year old laptop isn't showing any signs of needing a hardware upgrade). Conversely you put down £600 on a phone and you're expected to throw it away and buy another one after 2 years.
You get a *bit* better support from Apple and Google than from Samsung, HTC, etc. but its still not great. I hold up as an example, my Samsung Captivate Glide, which was released in November 2011 with Gingerbread on it. 11 months after Android 4.0 was released by Google, Samsung eventually released it for the Captivate Glide... except it was unusably buggy. Despite having similar hardware to the Galaxy S II, as of November 2012 (only 1 year after its release) Samsung have basically dropped all support for it. No more bugfixes, security updates, etc.
What we actually need is standardised phone hardware and open drivers so we can just install a generic OS ourselves instead of having to wait for the vendor to get their finger out and publish a device specific one. Despite the likes of Cyanogenmod, there's still a whole load of device-specific code; you can't just take the latest Android and slap it on an arbitrary phone like you can take a random Linux ow Windows and stick it on any PC.
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They're phones. They're not considered to have the lifespan of full computers. Plus, this is the fairly early years of this type of product. Hardware is changing extremely fast.
As I noted in another post, I'm surprised that an iPhone 3GS still supports iOS 6. While it still uses an ARM, it's the same SOC as a Palm Pre at 600 MHz and only has 256 MB RAM. Wild guess, this must be much less than 1/10th as powerful as the SOC the current OS runs on. And yet it's supported.
The problem with Android makers is tha
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They're phones. They're not considered to have the lifespan of full computers.
Why not? They are just as expensive, and arguably less essential...
Density increases still add performance (Score:2)
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I agree, that's why I sold my 1st gen iPad. I don't expect a decade of support, but at least more than 2 years.
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1st gen kindle fire was android derived, not technically android. never sold as an android tablet, didn't have any of googles stuff..
besides, it's pretty much 2.3. practically all stuff released on google play(or wherever else markets) still works with it if you just get it on it..
I think they just saved a wee bit too much money with buttons on that thing.
I mean, fuck, if you're going to pick an android device to talk shit about you would have had a lot to pick from! dozens of 2.0 and 2.2 devices. ziio's or
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... if you're going to pick an android device ...
It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.
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It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.
$200 vs $600, etc.
Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (Score:5, Informative)
It would seem appropriate to pick the Kindle Fire, the best selling Android tablet. Tablet v tablet, 1st gen v 1st gen, best seller v best seller, etc.
$200 vs $600, etc.
Actually it was $500. For the record this $500 device received six major OS upgrades (3.2 to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1), the $200 device received zero.
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Actually it was $500. For the record this $500 device received six major OS upgrades (3.2 to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1), the $200 device received zero.
And in breaking news, a cheap device isn't supported as well as an expensive device. Full story at eleven.
So, does the lack of OS upgrades have any impact at all on its intended use for reading books downloaded from Amazon, listening to music downloaded from Amazon, or playing videos downloaded from Amazon?
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Actually it was $500. For the record this $500 device received six major OS upgrades (3.2 to 4.0, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 and 5.1), the $200 device received zero.
And in breaking news, a cheap device isn't supported as well as an expensive device. Full story at eleven.
So, does the lack of OS upgrades have any impact at all on its intended use for reading books downloaded from Amazon, listening to music downloaded from Amazon, or playing videos downloaded from Amazon?
You have left out the intended use of downloading apps and games from Amazon's app store. While the Kindle Fire customizes the appearance of Android it is still an Android device and Android apps generally run on it just fine. Being stuck at Android 2.3 limits the choice of apps and games, a developer of an app designed for Android 4 may pass on making the necessary compatibility changes.
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5.0 crippled the first gen iPad, and the Kindle Fire is just a store front for Amazon that runs a bastardized version of Android.
The bottom line is that there isn't really any direct equivalent and no like-for-like comparison is possible.
Kindle Fire is a stock Android SDK environment ... (Score:2)
5.0 crippled the first gen iPad, and the Kindle Fire is just a store front for Amazon that runs a bastardized version of Android.
You are mistaken. Only the cosmetic screen appearance of the operating system has changed. Underneath the Kindle Fire is a stock Android SDK 2.3 (api level 10) environment including 3.0 extensions via the support library (fragments, etc). Many Android apps and games run just fine if they are compatible with API level 10 and support library v4.
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Crippled the 1st-gen iPad? You should perhaps talk to my wife, who has been running iOS 5 on her iPad almost since it was available. It doesn't crash on her. It's still responsive and the battery is still good a couple years later. I had the same iPad until it broke and I replaced it. I never had any of these strange issues that have been reported.
Re:Or numerous other Android devices ... (Score:4, Insightful)
1st gen kindle fire was android derived, not technically android. never sold as an android tablet, didn't have any of googles stuff..
Just like the latest Kindle - yet you have no problem counting it for Android marketshare.
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Unless you have a 1st gen iPad because they dropped support for those after iOS 5. Which is why I now own an Android tablet, ...
Hopefully that Android tablet is not a 1st gen Kindle Fire because they were release with Android 2.3 and were never upgraded.
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=update+kindle+fire+to+android+4 [lmgtfy.com]
Many other Android devices have also never been updated to 4.0.
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices [cyanogenmod.org]
My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords. With Apple, you get what they sell you and not one bit more, and if you so much as try to roll-your-own setup (i.e., jailbreak), they'll come down on your loyal ass like Mjölnir.
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My point being, the majority of Android users do have options, albeit not necessarily approved by the Corporate Overlords.
Yes and no. The majority of Android users do not have the necessary knowledge, expertise or confidence to exercise those options.
False equivalence - not knowing about or how to exercise those options doesn't change the fact they have them, and Apple users do not.
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Sounds like you're not the intended demographic for Apple. You need more hipster or fanboi to properly appreciate the lost value of the Apple product.
Apples lost residual value (Score:5, Interesting)
Sounds like you're not the intended demographic for Apple. You need more hipster or fanboi to properly appreciate the lost value of the Apple product.
Probably not, but his point is that Apple used to have long support cycles, and good second hand value. Traditionally many Apple owners benefited from this, and justified some of its premium price for a mid-range product. The effects of reduced support cycles due to its expanded product lines...and move towards disposable electronics, removed a lot of value from its products. A move that will affect the Apple faithful more than these new hipster or fanboi you talk about who if anything have the latest Samsung.
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Doesn't look like the iPad is expensive to me.
Except most Android software runs happily on old versions, and my Asus tablet is still getting OS updates a couple of years after I bought it.
Google seem to be pushing for carriers to provide updates so they can get developers to develop for new Android versions, not because the old hardware can't run current software.
OS updates vs. app updates (Score:2)
Are you telling me a 2 year old Asus tablet is now running Ice Cream sandwich? Or are you saying you still get v2.x updates?
Third option [tvtropes.org]. Users of devices that run Gingerbread are still getting application updates even if not operating system updates.
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At $200, a Google Nexus is disposable technology.
http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opinions/one-year-later-the-nexus-7-has-gone-from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/ [androidandme.com]
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually Android suffers from the same hardware limits as iOS. For example the latest version from CyanogenMod you can get on the HTC G1 is "froyo" while the MyTouch 4G only supports up to "gingerbread".
You can only squeeze so much features on older hardware with slower CPUs and more importantly smaller memory.
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Re:Unless you have a 1st gen iPad ... (Score:5, Interesting)
Since Apple has provided updates to the iPhone 3GS up till now, your claims are not credible.
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I wouldn't say that. I love my iPhone 5 and iPad Mini, but know the day will come when a new OS won't support some core feature on my device for no other reason than that Apple doesn't want to. For instance, Siri wasn't available on my old iPhone 4 and there's no way you can make me believe that wasn't for marketing reasons. There was some bullshit excuse about the 4 not having enough computing power, but for what? All of Siri's work is done on a remote server farm. You expect me to believe the 4 didn't hav
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No, he is spot on. Have you actually tried running the latest versions of iOS on an 3GS? A lot of people discover how badly it runs and downgrade just to get a usable device back.
Technically an original Pentium can boot Windows XP... Maybe even a 486. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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If updating with community/unsupported firmware is on the table, then you can do the same. iOS has whited00r [whited00r.com].
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I still use the iPad for some things (still the best way to get digital copies of films
trolling for sure.
blu-ray is currently the best way to get digital copies of films, in terms of video and audio quality anyways, which is the entire point of having it.
furthermore, with the right tools and a middle-finger to the DMCA, you can put that film on damn near any device you want.
how is locking it to iproducts a better way?
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I notice you leave out this:
Not all users said they had experienced problems however, with some saying the tablet worked as well as the day they got it.
Also, I notice that the article is completely devoid of any numbers. Just links to two anecdotes. But apparently that's good enough for you iFanbois to feel secure in living in your walled garden.
For the record, I've got a Nexus 7, and have been using it pretty much daily for the year I've had it, and haven't run into these issues. I'm certainly not saying that there are no issues and that everybody reporting them is a liar; there are issues with *everything*, including iDevic
Andrid Phone (Score:2)
Enjoy your iPod Killer. There aren't any.
Reality check complete.
It was the Android Phone :) (and very sensibly the iPhone)
Re:No way! A Fingerprint scanner! (Score:4, Funny)
Presumably the NSA wanted it added so they could tie fingerprints to call data.
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