Galaxy Tab Sales Ban Lifted, Samsung Sues Apple Over iPhone 5 196
another random user sends this quote from the BBC:
"A temporary sales ban on Samsung Electronics' Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablet computer in the U.S. has been lifted by a U.S. court. District Judge Lucy Koh gave a court order rescinding a ban on U.S. sales that was part of a patent dispute with Apple. ... The ban on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 had been placed before a month-long patent trial between Apple and Samsung. In August, at the conclusion of that trial Apple was awarded a victory on many of its patent violation claims where it said Samsung had copied Apple's iPhone and iPad designs. It was also awarded more than $1bn (£664m) in damages. However, the jury found that Samsung had not violated the patent that was the basis for the ban on the sale of the Galaxy Tab 10.1. Samsung, therefore, argued for the sales ban to be lifted."
Samsung also went on the offensive against the iPhone 5 today, filing a motion to add the device to its ongoing patent infringement suit against Apple. Meanwhile, on another front, some good news for Apple: Motorola Mobility, owned by Google, has withdrawn its second complaint against Apple to the ITC. The complaint was filed in August over patent infringement claims involving several minor features. No explanation has been provided for the withdrawal, but Google indicated there was no agreement between the companies.
screw you guys... (Score:5, Funny)
i am going back to BB
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Damn, my head hurts just to think about it..
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i was pointing to Buckaroo Banzai 10
Re:screw you guys... (Score:4, Funny)
i am going back to BB
Yay! They have a customer this month!
Re:screw you guys... (Score:4, Interesting)
They're doing fine. They outperformed expectations last quarter, and their user-base continues to grow. (I know that a bullshit article on slashdot a week or so ago made a different claim, but it was pitifully wrong.) Not bad for a company that hasn't released a new flagship phone for nearly a year.
From what we've seen, BB10 is nothing short of amazing. Even their current OS7 phones (though about a year old) are very slick and compelling -- the 9900 is a real workhorse. For those that need to do actual work on our phones, it's hard to beat. Even the RIM hating reviewers gave it high-praise.
It's not a bad move. Unless you use your smartphone to do nothing but play games, a BlackBerry is a fantastic choice. With BB10, it's going to be really difficult to find a reason to stick with iOS or Android -- even Windows 8 is an attractive alternative. I don't see Android and iOS maintaining the lead over the next few years.
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Yup, losing less and less money, with no debt, their share price will go double digit before the end of the year for sure.
Re:screw you guys... (Score:4, Informative)
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Though a double-digit share price by the end of the year seems unrealistic, with their new products not expected until January.
They are debt free and have increased their cash reserves. (Interesting note, cash reserves increased by nearly the amount of their reported losses.) They have a fantastic set of new products and a clear launch strategy.
I know the meme is that they have no customers (even though they've consistently gained many more customers than they've lost quarter after quarter) and they're dying (even though they've only posted two losses post iPhone, the second being much smaller than the first) and that they're selling the same phone virtually unchanged since 2005 (which is laughably false). Reality, however, doesn't fit the narrative. They have, without question, the most advanced and capable mobile OS on the planet. While subjective, their UI is brilliant and represents a dramatic departure from both their own history and from the current market leaders in very positive ways (they're inventing the future of mobile computing). Just the gesture suite alone is leagues ahead of iOS.
In short, they're hardly dying, their new products are impressive, and they have a clear plan moving forward.
No, they won't be in the double digits this year, but 2013 looks to be a very good year for RIM.
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Yes, their userbase has been growing, but in proportion to the growth of the overall smartphone market it's been a relative decline, and that is why although their userbase is growing, their marketshare is shrinking. So say the market is originally 1000 users in size, and RIM owns what, to make it easy, let's say 10% of that - 100 users, then the market grows by another 10% (100 users) and RIM gain 5 of those new users then yes, they now have 105 users instead of 100, but their share of the market has decli
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+1 insightful
"they're a player that people shouldn't ignore." along with the rest of your comment. I am a BB and recently droid user, and if the BB10 is anything like the videos online, i can switch back in a hear beat. I loved the way the interface was designed around phone communication (hmmm a phone designed for phone use!!) i could start typing numbers(/characters) from any screen and BB realized that it is a phone first... simple things like that. They did drop the ball but hopefully they are humbled e
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They outperformed expectations last quarter
If they managed a single sale, they outperformed expectations ...
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+1 funny?
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+1 funny?
Me ? Or narcc (412956) above ? :D
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Surprizingly I agree, I had the opportunity to play with some of the new prototypes given to developers and was really impressed. Having said that, it didn't seem like anything new except for a few interesting gestures to do stuff, but I would definitely say they caught up to the market. I do like the 9900 but just putting off from getting one in hopes of getting a BB10.Further, I find the new personal/corporate modes or whatever they call it interesting (the dev prototype didn't have this). Next year is go
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"personal/corporate modes or whatever they call it interesting" this is actually awesome from a BYOD stand point... I no longer would have to remote wipe a user device just to maintain corporate policy...
Let me just say... (Score:1)
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So why did you click the link?
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Probably to say... Boooooooooorrrrrrrrriiiiinnnnnng
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Or when Tim Cook and J.K Shin engage in a Steel Cage Celebrity Deathmatch.
Is that show stil on? I loved it when I had cable. They would surely have a Romney vs Obama one about now if so. And yes, a Cook/Shin deathmatch would be awesome! But they probably wouldn't run it, since only nerds have heard of either of those guys.
Samsung is obviously violating Apple's trademark (Score:5, Funny)
(sound of recursive cranial implosion here)
When will this Shit End? (Score:2)
Just make it stop.
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Why? I'm rather enjoying this clash of the titans, and sort of expecting robocop to start drilling execs before too long.
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Why? I'm rather enjoying this clash of the titans, and sort of expecting robocop to start drilling execs before too long.
I'll buy that for a dollar.
Useful (Score:2)
He hearing is scheduled to begin shortly before the iPhone 5 becomes the "free" phone. These lawsuits are bizarre.
YA type of "cold war" (Score:5, Insightful)
Only now it's mutually assured destruction via patent law.
The only winners are lawyers, judges and monopolies.
The rest of us suffer the wounds and sores of stagnating technology and lack of innovation.
I knew I should have studied to be lawyer.
Sigh.
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MS has been one of the main patent aggressors here. It's only a matter of time before they're smacked down as well.
I doubt it. Remember when windows phone 7 came out, and the fanboys harped on about how good it would be.
Now it's phone 8 instead. Microsoft are irellevent in this field, and increasingly so in most other fields. They should have bought RIM 5 years ago and had a crack at saving both companies.
Will it never end? (Score:3)
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I think it will end right after weapons have been banned in the U.S.
In other words, never.
If its legit, go for it (Score:3)
If Samsung's claims are legit then they should pursue this as fully as possible.
Apple has created a hostile market that inhibits innovation by suing anybody with anything that resembles Apple's IP. While Samsung obviously lifted some design cues from iPhone, overall I don't think anything Samsung has done would make an Apple iPhone user switch over to a Samsung Android phone, so I thought the Apple lawsuit was petty and vindictive. Apple is doing a better job of moving people to Android then Samsung is capable of. Apple has to realize that there are at least 3 to 1 people that hate Apple and everything they do which means that Android will ALWAYS be a larger platform than Apple, just like Windows was always a larger platform than Mac. Apple never cared when Microsoft lifted UI designs, so why should they care when Samsung does the same thing.
So, if Samsung has valid claims then Apple should get a taste of their own medicine. Banning iPhone 5 sales, even for a few days during the holiday season would be a big blow to Apple, and if Samsung's claims are found justified and Apple has also infringed on other people's patents, then maybe people will wake up and see Apple for what they are.
However I have the distinct feeling that Samsung's claims are thin and flimsy and more out of spite and pettiness. I fully support legal action where it's justified, but the arguments between two petulant parties does nobody any good.
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They most certainly did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation [wikipedia.org]
It's Samsung's fault (Score:2)
not to list their shares in any of the U.S. stock exchanges.
My Galaxy Tab 10.1 was smiling this morning (Score:3)
Opera/9.80 (Android 3.2; Linux; Opera Tablet/ADR-1207201819; U; en) Presto/2.10.254 Version/12.00
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Talking about rounded corners, Samsung should just make 2 models. One with rounded corners, and one without rounded corners.
Then, on their website they should let you "design" your own phone.
This then shifts liability to the end-user, turning this entire thing into a non-issue.
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Just nuke the patent system sky high and put all patent lawyers against the wall. By now that's probably the only way to ever get out of this fucking mess.
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Samsung cancelled Qualcomm's license (Score:4, Informative)
Samsung had an agreement with Qualcomm that Qualcomm's license to Samsung's patents covered Qualcomm's customers. So Apple used Qualcomm's chips under the understanding that they were fully licensed. But apparently desperate because of Apple's many claims related to Samsung's copying, Samsung attempted to cancel Qualcomm's license as it pertains to Apple [fosspatents.com]. This is of doubtful legality, as licensing of standards-essential patents is supposed to be nondiscriminatory. But it gives Samsung some basis for countersuit, which probably helps them with investors, at least for the moment.
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Considering that a license is a contract to use somebody else's IP, that seem a pretty fine distinction, but IANAL, so perhaps it makes some kind of legal sense. Perhaps the agreement included provision for arbitrary termination by Samsung. In that case, the question arises whether Qualcomm disclosed this to Apple. If not, it seems like Apple might have a cause against Qualcomm if they happen to lose to Samsung.
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Patent exhaustion seems to be a fairly gray area of law, and Samsung seems to have a case from a certain point of view. Apple isn't an end user or a retailer, on which historical precedents are mostly based. They are another manufacturer that incorporates the IP into a product.
And what is Motorola, LG, HTC, Nokia, RIMM etc in your analysis? If Samsung can require Apple get a separate license, they can force any other mobile manufacturer to do so. But they haven't. This move seems clearly a reaction to Apple's lawsuit.
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And what is Motorola, LG, HTC, Nokia, RIMM etc in your analysis? If Samsung can require Apple get a separate license, they can force any other mobile manufacturer to do so. But they haven't. This move seems clearly a reaction to Apple's lawsuit.
How is that legally relevant? Patents aren't like trademarks: there is no "use-or-lose" requirement and no obligation to pursue all infringers equally. Maybe there should be, but this isn't how the law works now. Samsung is completely within its legal rights to pla
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How is that legally relevant? Patents aren't like trademarks: there is no "use-or-lose" requirement and no obligation to pursue all infringers equally. Maybe there should be, but this isn't how the law works now.
Um? The doctrine of latches [wikipedia.org] says otherwise. If Motorola, HTC, and whoever is using Samsung tech without licensing (and Samsung knows about it), how can Samsung claim that they are harmed when Apple does not license. Samsung cannot claim loss or damages.
If you leave your car unlocked in a public place and you don't care who borrows it until someone you don't like borrows it, then can you claim that the car was stolen? In this case the patents are in items and cannot be retrieved or recalled.
Samsung is completely within its legal rights to play hardball only with the company that is causing trouble for them, and let others go. Besides, how do you know that Motorola, LG, HTC, et al. haven't paid license fees or signed cross-license agreeme
No they are n
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And what right does Samsung have to distinguish Apple from other customers of Qualcomm. They can if it is in the agreement with Qualcomm however FRAND licensing with Qualcomm would most likely forbid that. Intel and AMD chips undoubtedly have patented tech in each other's chips; Intel cannot tell AMD that they can't sell to Dell their Opteron chips but they can sell to HP because they don't want Dell to use the patented tech in the chip.
As for why you'd buy Qualcomm's chips - it's because they're a pre-made component. Why do you think? A business sourcing components from a supplier doesn't assume that any product they make using said components will suddenly become licensed. Why would you?
So Qualcomm making a pre-made component wants to make things more com
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I've misplaced my Samsung vs. Apple cheatsheet, but IIRC, linking to FOSSpatents is supposed to get people slamming you for linking to pro-Microsoft shill Florian Mueller.
That said, I'm wondering if Samsung and others with FRAND patents and so forth have changed terms with chip makers (Qualcomm) to prevent the exhaustion idea from being a successful defense in the future. Investigating that would be more useful than the bloviators discussing every little move in the ongoing bits of various lawsuits.
Re:Hard to see Samsung succeeding on LTE suit (Score:5, Insightful)
Enter Apple.
Apple thinks if you're going to start firing nuclear weapons, you might as well fire lots of them all at once.
Remember Steve Jobs say he would spend all of Apple's (eg, stockholders) money to destroy Android. Does this sound like a rational statement from a rational person? Really? Destroy Apple in order to destroy Android? Wow.
Apple's lawsuits aren't about rectangles with round corners. They're not about bouncy scrolling. They're not about any other particular details being claimed. Apple's lawsuits are about competition. Steve Jobs dreamed of having a new Bill Gates like monopoly. Pesky competitors think they should be able to compete. Apple believes that the entire mobile smartphone business is God's gift to Apple by divine right. Even established existing players who've made mobile phones for decades should get out and leave the entire market to Apple.
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Pffft, what fun is it to down mod an AC?
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Depends on how the LTE patents are licensed. Hell, Apple's got a bunch of LTE patents, both original (e.g., nano-SIM) and bought (Nortel). Whether or not they apply to Samsung products is quetionable (they too are probably FRAND patents, and Samsun
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Well rounded corners and a flat screen means no one else can make a phone either. So if that stands, so should Samsung FRAND
Frankly, Palm should be suing the !@#$% out of all of them. Grid of icon on mobile device.
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It has a trade dress...which are now being used as perpetual patents you moron. :-P
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Hell, Apple's got a bunch of LTE patents, both original (e.g., nano-SIM)
PLEASE tell me you're joking, calling the nanosim an LTE patent AND an 'original' patent. It's a SIM CARD with a few mm shaved off it. No functional difference whatsoever from a credit-card sized sim card (the original form factor). In fact, you could take an original credit card sized sim card and a pair of scissors, and make it work in any iPhone up to and including the 5.
Once again, they have successfully patented a shape. Please.
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Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Insightful)
There's also a problem with that. Apple doesn't license their design patents, and will pretty much only license others when under duress.
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Fine... Wrong word. Not duress. They'll only license when they think the licensee doesn't matter.
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a good thing Apple and Samsung are both focusing on what is truly important. Kudos to the US Patent and Trademark office for creating a system that helps companies to focus their efforts on what is important.
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Informative)
Did yo read those "internal documents"? They are just expert telling design team where they went wrong with examples of good design (from Apple). It reads like "Our UI: buttons are not aligned. Good UI (yes, it's Apple's, so?): buttons are aligned. What to do: align those fucking buttons, you morons"
Saying it's "how they wanted to copy iPhone" is funny considering the advice on the slide in the article says "Differentiate icons from iPhone".
TL;DR: Take care not to steal specifics, but let's steal all common design sense from Apple!
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:4, Insightful)
Don't confuse them with facts and reason. The meme is that Samsung made their phones as identical as they could manage. Any differences between their phones and the iPhone was their inability to match Apples pure awesome.
Besides, no one had anything like rounded corners or icons aligned to a grid or buttons that align neatly before Apple. If they did then they didn't "put them all together" in to the "perfect package". Yes, even their supposedly awful chicklet keyboards and hockey-puck mice were superior to all other alternatives -- the perfect design that give the user the perfect experience.
All those designs that came before the iPhone that look, well, like an iPhone are all lies created by time-traveling fandroids. Apple invented all that is good. Bow your head and thank Steve Jobs for blessing you with the opportunity to buy a holy iPhone, in all it's glory. Praise be!
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Yeah, Jobs never had documents like that stating he wanted to copy Braun.
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:4, Insightful)
Apple has been and always will be insane in their thinking. "Think different" really meant "do as your told"
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Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Funny)
is an empty comments section.
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Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Interesting)
It's hard not to be on Samsung's side in this. Apple sued first over some totally ridiculous crap.
They are both far from being saints, that's a given. Both phones suck*, but Apple definitely crossed the line of sanity here.
* They both suck *as phones*, when compared to "dumb" phones. My old Philips had 3 weeks of battery life with my usage pattern and it took two pushes of a button (including unlocking) to call pretty much everybody I care about.
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Many people (myself included) understand and accept this as a trade-off for the ability to carry an email/gps/web browser/media player comfortably in your pocket. I use all of the other features more than my actual phone anyway.
Re:Samsung should be innovating not suing! (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not that ideas are crap, it's ridiculous that they got a patent for what amounted to letting the first year engineer design the outside of the device. Things with rectangular screens are going to be rectangular with rounded corners.
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My old Philips had 3 weeks of battery life with my usage pattern and it took two pushes of a button (including unlocking) to call pretty much everybody I care about.
They could make the battery life longer if they wanted, but it would make the phone bigger and heavier. Apple chooses the lowest battery life people need, and put whatever size battery it takes to hit that number (if you want more battery life, there are very nice cases with built in batteries). In my opinion, your old Philips device would be better if it needed charging every night. Imagine how much thinner and lighter it would have been? Is it really that hard to plug it in when you get home?
Yep. With the phone I had before, which I had to charge everyday, I used to forget it every other day and was left *without* a phone every other day. I just don't want to think about it everyday. If I had some sort of wireless charging station at home, that authomatically starts charging, even if the phone is in your pocket then yes, I wouldn't worry.
The best thing though was that if I had to go somewhere for a weekend or even longer, I didn't even bother to take the charger with me.
And your two pushes of a button including unlocking sounds unlikely to me.
OK, it wasn't just a pus
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OK, it wasn't just a push. It was a long press to unlock, long press to speed dial. Still pretty optimal.
i'd rather sequentially press two buttons than hold 1 button.
i used to have gesture unlock which was even easier and had some security but i haven't bothered with cyanogen yet on my current phone and android doesn't have it natively (I dont count the stupid pattern unlock)
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i also never had that problem. i would consider that a massive drawback in unlocking if it had ever happened to me
( i have an s3 at the moment and have never needed 2 hands to unlock)
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Yep. With the phone I had before, which I had to charge everyday, I used to forget it every other day and was left *without* a phone every other day. I just don't want to think about it everyday. If I had some sort of wireless charging station at home, that authomatically starts charging, even if the phone is in your pocket then yes, I wouldn't worry.
If I turn wireless data and wifi off on my GS3 or my old original GS the battery will last for a week. If all you want is basic phone functionality then modern smartphones are no worse than dumbphones, sometimes even better due to having high capacity batteries to support all the smart stuff.
Most people with smartphones do want the data services though, so make the trade off between functionality and having to charge up every day. Learn how to turn off the services you don't use (mobile data, background syn
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So internal documents telling Samsung what to copy, and Google itself telling Samsung "you're copying too much, stop" is simply things you disregard?
copying isn't a crime in itself. apple copied the idea of the smartphone, the touchscreen, gestures, tablet computers, portable audio devices ... the list goes on.
the fact that google warned them doesn't implicate them in a crime. if i tell you not to cross the street because that man is going to rob you, and you do it anyway and get robbed, that doesn't make the robber innocent ... it just means you have poor judgement / don't listen to advice.
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The point is not about implication. The fact the Google warned them is a problem for Samsung's defenses. In a case where a patent/copyright is decided to be infringing (which the jury decided), the fines differ greatly if the infringement was willful and intentional. The fact the Google told Samsung allows the court to conclude that (1) the infringement appeared to be significant enough that Google itself was concerned and (2) Samsung was told and cannot claim they did not know. The internal documents s
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being illegal and being in poor judgement are two different things. was samsung's copying of apple in poor judgement? that's what google said. is it illegal? google almost certainly did try to comment on the legality of samsung's products.
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Anyone who buys Apple products is a cunt. Don't be a cunt.
Apple Fanboy: I love my phone.
Android Fanboy: I hate your phone.
So if the Apple Fanboy is a cunt....
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Anyone who buys Apple products is a cunt. Don't be a cunt.
Apple Fanboy: I love my phone.
Android Fanboy: You paid how much for that phone that does half of what mine does?
So if the Apple Fanboy is a cunt then the Android Fanboy is Captain Obvious
FTFY, oh, and an ellipsis only has three dots but now I'm just getting picky.
Actually... (Score:2)
Android Fanboy: You paid how much for that phone that does half of what mine does?
iPhone user: Actually I jailbroke it, so I have a far higher quality of real apps and I can do anything you can in terms of configuration or customization.
Sorry Captain Obvious, you met your match when Captain Reality showed up.
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So, you're saying that in order to get your apple phone to 'work right', you had to 'break' it.? Just askin'...
It "works right" out of the box for non-technical users, something sadly impossible for an Android device since you have to be technical to secure them properly.
The technical user who wants a greater range of control merely needs to jailbreak, and then as noted actually has more options than an Android user.
Signed, Captain Obvious' successor.
AKA Captain Clueless...
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It "works right" out of the box for non-technical users, something sadly impossible for an Android device since you have to be technical to secure them properly.
Since when? Your use of extreme hyperbole and cognitive dissonance to defend Apple never ceases to boggle my mind.
The sad state of technical understanding (Score:2)
The only thing you have to do to "secure" an Android "box" is to turn on the encryption. That's pretty much as technical as pressing a button.
Really?
Go up to any average mom, hand her an Android device and tell her to "secure" it. You really think she will find and press that button?
Of course not. So many people on Slashdot are just utterly ignorant of what is a reasonable exception of the non-technical user.
There are a lot of software fixes I have done in my day that were the equivalent of "just press t
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Are you drunking heavily today? So you can do this [mycolorscreen.com] with your iPhone? I think not. Customising an iPhone means buying a new case.
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So you can do this with your iPhone?
With a jailbroken iPhone, of course you can. [idownloadblog.com]
Can you customize the built in mail client on Android with 10 lines of code?
Customising an iPhone means buying a new case.
Yeah we also have more of those too.
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Android Fanboy: You paid how much for that phone that does half of what mine does?
iPhone user: Actually I jailbroke it, so I have a far higher quality of real apps and I can do anything you can in terms of configuration or customization.
Sorry Captain Obvious, you met your match when Captain Reality showed up.
So... how many custom IOS ROMS are there.
Captain Reality has been out ranked by General Reality.
Also, they were both reminded that an Android users doesn't have to break anything to get something like AirDroid working.
Signed
Common F. Sense.
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There isn't a reason for custom iOS ROMs as there is for custom Android ROMs. iOS doesn't come loaded with bloatware. I'd need that custom Android ROM just so I can cut the bloat that Motorola and Verizon added to stock Android, maybe even remove anything else the carrier added to handicap the phone. This is where Apple is superior as a company. It was the only company that could strong-arm the carriers to keep their grimy hands off the phone. I jailbroke my iPhone once. I don't recall being able to totally
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Another Android user pretty-boy (Score:2)
Scuffgate
It's pretty funny that Apple Haters like yourself claim Apple users are all about fashion, when Apple users care far less about scuffs on a device than Android users seem to.
Doubly funny when Android users seem to prefer cheap plastic to real metal. I guess they really ARE afraid of scuffs!
Also Apple people don't care who sells more than who. They just enjoy what they have. Enjoy your McDonalds-class devices.
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Let's have this discussion again a year from now, and the above numbers may be a lot closer
I really, really doubt that considering you are looking at an artificially lowered Apple market cap and the fact that Google doesn't sell much hardware directly AND they have been cut out of Apple's map equation so there's not even a licensing fee or ad revenue from that going forward. Google also gets very little from a primary Android tablet maker, Amazon since Amazon gets the app store revenue from most of those d
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Or 'war', if that's what Jobs wanted, Apple's got one now for real. Let's have this discussion again a year from now, and the above numbers may be a lot closer. In a war, you lose some battles like Samsung has recently. They just won one. Its going to be interesting, and Apple is ceded more ground recently. As my Dad used to say, "We shall see what we shall see."
Apple's "victory" may be nothing but a Pyrrhic victory. They haven't done any real damage to Samsung and the actual punishment has been postponed until after an appeal, Samsung have also put in a motion for a mistrial, with Velvin Hogan shooting his mouth off at every opportunity a mistrial may be incredibly easy to get (the basics of it: he instructed the other jurors to ignore the concept of prior art). I bet Apple is quietly wishing Hogan had of kept his mouth shut.
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Have you seen the whining when Android got that stupid image app?
Not really, I was not one of them. Why would I care? I don't even use insatgram myself.
However the "whining" could not be nearly so loud as the vast chants of "in your face" I witnessed from Android fanatics.
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Welp, if my comment made you mad enough to call me a cunt, then I must have made a pretty good point. It's only a pity my phone's logo doesn't light up so you can hate me from farther away while I'm minding my own business.
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You sit on a throne of lies!
Re:Apologies to Lionel Richie (Score:2)
Sue you, sue me, sue it for always,
That’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
I had a dream, I had an awesome dream.
People in the park,
Playin' games in the dark.
And what they played was a masquerade,
From behind the walls of doubt,
A voice was crying out.
Sue you, sue me, sue it for always,
That’s the way it should be.
Sue you, sue me, sue it together, naturally.
As we go down life’s lonesome highway,
Seems the hardest thing to do,
Is to find a friend or two
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No buddy, customers are driving up phone costs.
There is no reason for today's cellphones to cost more than many desktop/laptop computers. What is happening is that customers have created a market of high demand in which they are willing to pay more for these products out of perceived value than actual value. Also consider how highly subsidized phones are by cell companies to lock you into their excessively priced multi-year contracts and you realize that the market prices are completely driven by customers
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Oh, I thought she was German. My mistake, that would have been Judge Kuh.