Will Apple Vs Samsung Verdict Be Overturned? 300
An anonymous reader writes "While there's much talk of Apple asking for more money from Samsung, there's less talk of the likelihood that the verdict will be overturned completely. Based on voir dire, and the foreman's subsequent statements to the press, it seems he failed to follow the law."
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:5, Insightful)
Sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:5, Insightful)
Conversely, if MS is wasting money trying to get slashdotters to like the windows phone, that's really funny.
War on Innovation (Score:2, Insightful)
Waiting for times when inspiring innovations in technology get more press than who in a courtroom wins the right to extract money from them.
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not sure how anyone could even offer 'tested' in the present legal climate. Aside from the fact that individual judges and juries are unpredictable, are there even enough paralegals with relevant knowledge of US patent law to throw at the problem of determining whether a given complex system is noninfringing or legitimately licensed against all currently valid patents? That's an epic task search and (somewhat)natural language processing problem.
Indemnification is at least possible; but if you are practically guaranteed to have a few trolls hit you for low to moderate millions in the rocket docket, and there is the possibility of a huge lawsuit or two, it isn't going to be inexpensive, since it'll basically amount to insurance...
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung (Score:1, Insightful)
Yeah same here! I don't give a fuck about Foxconn employees committing suicide, and being paid so little they have to live in their workplace, as long as I can has the shiny!!!! I'll carry it around as I'm styling in my Nike's made by under-aged slave labour in China, eating my chemical filled McDonalds spit burger because they taste sooo good!!!!
It's too bad the juror wasn't on the supreme court (Score:5, Insightful)
I loved his position that a piece of prior art could be dismissed because the implementation discussed ran on a different processor architecture. Judicial functionaries have a proud history of pulling distinctions out of their asses and calling them 'tests'(later given first names, if they catch on more broadly); but that one was classic.
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:0, Insightful)
*facepalm*
Do you really think Microsoft is spending money on converting /. users to their way of thinking? Honestly, do you see Slashdot as being that significant?
If Microsoft wanted to troll everyone here, they'd buy ad space from the Slashdot's parent company to appear here, not pay idiots to create a million puppet accounts full of inflammatory, poorly spelled diatribes. Grow up.
(coming from a 10-year reader)
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple wins in GPU benchmarks, but Apple hasn't innovated with the iPhone in a while. All the key features in both iOS 5 and iOS 6 existed in Android and Windows Mobile first.
When they announced the 4S and 5, you'll note neither have any key innovations.
People want to credit for the full-screen bar phone with multi-touch as this brilliant design that everyone copied. In reality, it is a common sense design that appeared in sci-fi for a reason. Once it became affordable to make it reality, then 3 different companies came up with the same design at the same time (LG, Samsung, Apple). What has Apple done since then literally other than copy heavily from those around them?
And yet they play the victim.
Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)
So playing with the phone for 25 minutes now counts as "using" the phone?
You are an iphone fan. Like may other iphone fans even if you were handed a cell phone that was better in every way you would still say the iphone was better.
Personally I feel you need to use a phone for a few weeks to begin to get used to it. All cell phones should have a 60 day trial period. You use the phone for 60 days. You can return that phone for any reason no questions asked up to 60 days. That way you can actually use the phone and see how it works for you. I know never going to happen, but it would be good to have that.
Re:Sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung (Score:5, Insightful)
Really, but if you dislike their products, and they're trying to prevent you from buying any thing else...that's when it gets personal.
So I am using the system, I am meeting with my Senator. I am objecting, and if the courses available to me fail to achieve results than I will have to consider alternative forms of protesting Apple.
Re:Sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung (Score:5, Insightful)
It's just not something you need to worry about.
You're living in the exact blind loyalty dream world that every monopoly hopes people will live in.
Re: Android should patent! (Score:2, Insightful)
Android isn't!
Heck, google should go patent these same things, pinch and zoom, etc.
The juror himself said it!
The iPhone uses the A4 (or A5 or whatever it is now) processor, android ones don't. If Samsung tried to run their code for pinch-and-zoom on the iPhone, it wouldn't run without errors.
This means that Samsung could patent, and the iPhone's prior art wouldn't invalidate!
You heard it here first! Juror gives everyone the ability to patent almost everything in the software realm, by making patents processor specific. .... more specific than ".... on the internet" patents!
Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)
22 grams will not worry me but the iPhone 5 is Talk time: Up to 8 hours on 3G and the Galaxy III is up to 11 h 40 min (3G), I can manage that extra 22 grams in my pocket for 50% more use. As for ahead, I think that means the iPhones dual core 1.2 compared to the Samsung quad core 1.4. Content, total freedom instead of restricted, Samsung wins hands down.
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:4, Insightful)
On what? Long filename schemes that weren't the least bit inventive?
Re:Again (Score:5, Insightful)
> I doubt Apple will ever copy the cheap feeling the Galaxy SIII has when you hold it in your hand. I have been an iPhone user since the 3G
I dumped my 3GS for a Galaxy phone. This "cheap feeling" propaganda is just mindless rhetoric that is the last resort of fanboys that don't have enough clue to criticize something meaningful.
You can't say anything technical so you go for the most superficial and subjective thing you can.
Re:Sick of hearing about Apple vs. Samsung (Score:5, Insightful)
No. We just have some understanding of what's going on here.
This just isn't about two marketing machines fighting. The US patent office and the US courts are involved. That makes the stakes considerably higher. The results could have serious long term consequences.
In terms of "the big picture", patents very much matter.
In some place they mean the difference between life and death.
Your just trying to white wash the situation and pretend that there is nothing serious or important going on here.
Talk About Bogus Patent Claims (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:5, Insightful)
1: He genuinely thinks that Microsoft's phone is a safer bet in case Android gets in more trouble
2: He's a fan of Microsoft products or dislikes Google (yes, someone can still like a company, yet not work for them).
3: He said it ironically/trollingly to get a reaction, as he too dislikes the patent mess, and wants people to get fired up about it (to motivate them or something?)
4: He's somewhat ignorant about the whole (complicated) situation (as I suppose everyone is to a degree)
5: Any combination of the above
Re:Android is a patent minefield (Score:4, Insightful)
Actually, there is no "look and feel" currently, but years ago, Lotus won a lawsuit against Borland for exactly that. It took a number of years to get the verdict reversed, and in the interim, Borland was pretty much crippled. They couldn't obtain new investors. They couldn't even find anyone to buy the company. Despite this they still developed products like Delphi that were significantly better than anything M$ developed. Eventually the verdict was overturned.
The final result of the financial squeeze was the firing of Philippe Kahn and the takeover of Borland by the bean counters. It was all downhill from there. The Lotus case proved that a crappy lawsuit can actually destroy a company over a period of years.
Re:Again (Score:4, Insightful)
Remember that Apple has specifically said that MeeGo, BBOS and Windows don't infringe. So it is all about stuff like pinch to zoom and skinning.