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Nokia Exec: Young People Fed Up With iPhone and Android 532

jfruhlinger writes "Nokia's Windows Phones haven't hit the U.S., but at least one company executive thinks they'll be a slam dunk, since young people have soured on the iPhone and find Android baffling. Of course, much of the Internet commentariat found his remarks even more baffling. Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?"
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Nokia Exec: Young People Fed Up With iPhone and Android

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  • by rsmith-mac ( 639075 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:38PM (#38371090)

    Is he right, is he delusional, or is he just trying to build buzz for his company's products the best he can?

    It's Nokia, so I'll take delusional for $2000, Alex.

    • Re:State Of Mind (Score:5, Insightful)

      by MozeeToby ( 1163751 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:44PM (#38371188)

      He's paid to be delusional. What's he supposed to say? "iPhone outsells every other phone by an order of magnitude and Android devices in general are rapidly cornering the lion's share of the market and now we've made this commitment to Windows Phone 7 that we can't just drop for a number of reasons" Yeah, I'm sure the shareholders will love that.

      • by Toe, The ( 545098 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:46PM (#38371214)

        He employs some great logic. Here is a direct quote:

        "What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone," he said.

        If everyone wants something, then nobody could possibly want it... right?

        • by Tyler Eaves ( 344284 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:49PM (#38371278)

          "Nobody goes there any more, it's too crowded." -Yogi Berra

        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by berzerke ( 319205 )

          Everyone has the iPhone," he said.

          And perhaps they are looking for the next bright shiny, must have item. If everyone has one, it isn't as special anymore. Fads come and go.

          Now whether or not the iphone IS a fad is another question I'll not try to answer. Personally, I've played with my wife's iphone and just can't see why people are so crazy about them. Overpriced and not very flexible IMHO. But maybe it's peer pressure. I've always been rather resistant to it, while my wife is at the other end of the spectrum.

          • by RyuuzakiTetsuya ( 195424 ) <taiki.cox@net> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:31PM (#38372026)

            When I tried to flex my friend's Droid X it snapped in half too. :)

            Seriously though, most users aren't looking for flexibility. I really don't want the option of being able to run Apache on my phone and being able to SSH into it so I could configure it right.

            They're looking for practical applications of their devices and Apple's doing a damn good job of attracting application developers.

        • I've never seen a stronger case for Nokia being a willing Microsoft crony than a Microsoft exec who leaves to Nokia, fosters a relationship with Nokia, and now trashtalks their competitors.

          Does he really want Nokia to fail this badly?

      • Re:State Of Mind (Score:5, Informative)

        by Charliemopps ( 1157495 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:15PM (#38371744)
        "iPhone outsells every other phone by an order of magnitude..."

        I hate that BS apple propaganda. iPhone outsells every other SMARTPHONE HANDSET on the market. If you look at real data, like Total phones, far far far more dumb phones are sold. And the smartphone market? If you look at a more accurate number, like the number of phones with the iPhone OS or the Android OS on them, Android has double the market share of apple. Apple is able to say they sell the most phones because they only offer one... sure if you break up android sales by model, each one gets a much smaller share... but that's stupid.

        Then Windows phones? hahahha... I dont think I've ever met someone with a windows phone.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          by rmstar ( 114746 )

          If you look at real data, like Total phones, far far far more dumb phones are sold.

          That's interesting. Do you have links on this? I got the impression everyone except me spends their time fingering their fondleslabs these days. Also, your claim contradicts the data I can find, e.g. http://gizmodo.com/5817082/everbodys-getting-smartphones [gizmodo.com]

          • Re:State Of Mind (Score:4, Informative)

            by u38cg ( 607297 ) <calum@callingthetune.co.uk> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @03:45PM (#38374216) Homepage
            Can't provide citations since the numbers I saw were internal, but the smartphones thing is very much a Western and developed Asian phenomenon. In terms of numbers, the biggest seller out there is still the Nokia something-or-other, 1112 maybe, despite being pathetic in comparison to any smartphone. In large parts of the world, the only thing that counts is price and battery life.
      • What's he supposed to say?


        "Young people have soured on the iPhone, find Android baffling and will see anything tagged Windows as uncool and boring, so we see a huge opportunity for Symbian and MeeGo... Sorry... you say we signed a WHAT with Microsoft? Seriously? Aw shit!"

        ...would likely have been a career-limiting move.

      • Re:State Of Mind (Score:4, Informative)

        by chrb ( 1083577 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @11:38PM (#38379820)

        iPhone outsells every other phone by an order of magnitude

        I am no fan of Nokia's recent moves, but to claim that their phones don't sell is simply inaccurate. Nokia sold more 5230 phones in one year alone last year (2010) than Apple has sold iPhones in the whole five years from 2007-2011. Nokia has also produced the best selling phone for many of the years on record. List of best-selling mobile phones: [wikipedia.org]

        Year Manufacturer Model Units sold
        1990 NEC P3 15 million
        1996 Motorola StarTAC 60 million
        1998 Nokia 6120 15 million
        1999 Nokia 3210 150 million
        2000 Nokia 3310 126 million
        2002 Nokia/Nokia/Nokia/Siemens 3510/6100/6610/A50 15 million
        2003 Nokia 1100 250 million
        2004 Nokia 2600/2610/2626/2630 135 million
        2005 Nokia 1110 150 million
        2006 Nokia 1600/1650/1661 130 million
        2007 Nokia 1200 150 million
        2008 Nokia 1680 Classic 35 million
        2009 Apple iPhone 3GS 35 million
        2010 Nokia 5230 150 Million

        If the sales comparison is restricted to smartphones and recent year, then both Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire have large sales (30 million and 21 million respectively). Total iPhone sales in 2010 was 40 million, so neither HTC nor Samsung is being outsold by "an order of magnitude".

    • Re:State Of Mind (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ByOhTek ( 1181381 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:57PM (#38371408) Journal

      It would take some serious kool-aide to think that people were generally confused by any of iPhone, Android or Windows Phone 7, they are all easy to use. Each has it's pros and cons.

      However, with the serious lack of good 3rd party apps, I suspect mostly due to MS figuratively castrating their developers with insane draconian file access and network access restrictions that prevent any direct cross-app communication on the phone, or network access via anything but http/https... You would have to have gone through a few kilos of LSD before ever thinking Windows Phone 7 could catch up to those two. Nice OS, but MS royally screwed the 3rd party developers over.

    • Yeah, it's pretty delusional: "What we see is that youth are pretty much fed up with iPhones. Everyone has the iPhone." OK, so we see that everyone has an iPhone or an Android... and we conclude from this fact that everyone must therefore hate the iPhone and the Android. Reminds me of that Iraqi information minister who claimed that the American troops attacking Bagdad were committing suicide in droves. On the other hand, the guy quoted in the article is their director of marketing and sales, you pay market
    • It's called denial (Score:5, Insightful)

      by eclectro ( 227083 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:23PM (#38371888)

      the first of the five stages of grief. [wikipedia.org]

    • by lmcgeoch ( 1298209 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @02:11PM (#38372680)

      Some Creepy old guy walks up to a group of kids.
      Creepy old guy looks at kid using his iPhone

      Creepy old guy: Can you play xbox with your iPhone?
      Kid with iPhone: No

      Creepy old guy looks at kid using his Android.

      Creepy old guy: Can you play xbox with your Android?
      Kid with Android: I don't think so.

      Headline: Young People soured on the iPhone and find the Android baffling.

  • by Gr33nJ3ll0 ( 1367543 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:38PM (#38371094)
    And looking to promote his company.
  • by eldavojohn ( 898314 ) * <eldavojohnNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:40PM (#38371112) Journal
    The kids these days, they don't like the broadband. They are fed up with the cable and the fibre. Everyone has the fibre. Also, many are not happy with the complexity of broadband and the increased risk of viruses over broadband. So we do increasingly see that the youth that wants to be on the cutting edge and try something new are turning to dial up.

    Right now, it is so confusing to the customer. Where is the softly assuring BEEEEEEP WAHUNG WAHUNG SCSSHHHHHHHHH white noise after connecting that lets you know that you are receiving 56k service?
    • by IANAAC ( 692242 )

      Right now, it is so confusing to the customer. Where is the softly assuring BEEEEEEP WAHUNG WAHUNG SCSSHHHHHHHHH white noise after connecting that lets you know that you are receiving 56k service?

      You just KNOW there's some hipster out there thinking "Hey! If I can find a away to recreate that, but faster, I'll be RICH!"

      • by fuzzyfuzzyfungus ( 1223518 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:16PM (#38371756) Journal
        Should be simple enough. Here's the plan:

        Register domain 56Kb.it.

        Implement a basic URL-shortner/social-media-linking-crap mechanism.

        When somebody clicks on a 56Kb.it shortened link, it redirects them to a fairly standard framed-web-proxy-page arrangement; but with an (HTML5, of course) audio widget that plays the dialup noise, and deliberate bandwidth throttling of the framed page to a bitrate chosen randomly from the historically plausible performance of a '56k' dialup line.

        It's pointless, wasteful, adds an extra point of failure, and is really a pretty stupid gimmick. Should be all over the social networks within hours.
      • NPR's April Fool's joke last year was exactly that - hipsters turning to dial-up modem cafes because they wanted the Internet to be slow again.
    • by Liambp ( 1565081 )

      Gosh how I loved that SSCSSHHHHHHH when it eventually did connect. In my mind I can still hear those bits pouring down the telephone line into my computer. Some modems (might have been pre 56k days) even let you keep the modem speaker on constantly so you could listen to your data all day long. The sheer nerdy joy of it.

  • Out of touch (Score:3, Insightful)

    by zule666 ( 1175419 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:41PM (#38371132)
    Guess that's why my teenagers wanted iPhones..
  • by Stumbles ( 602007 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:41PM (#38371138)
    the only thing baffling (not really) is how stupid Nokia's shareholders have been.
  • by Scoth ( 879800 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:44PM (#38371186)

    I don't think I've ever met someone who wasn't a hacker/tweaker sort who didn't like their iPhones. Regardless of your beliefs about their business practices, Walled Garden, etc, by and large the iPhone works and works well. I'm not sure exactly who he talked to about being fed up.

    I've also not met a lot of people unhappy with their Android phones, though they may not be using them to their full customization potential.

  • by GodfatherofSoul ( 174979 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:45PM (#38371204)

    ...I've soured on the Android (performance and privacy issues) and the iPhone looks expensive (based on the iPhone tax it looks like service providers charge). But, I also had about 2 years of development experience on the inferior Windows Mobile platform when Microsoft pissed on the developer base, then shoved us out the door.

    I'd say he's right there's room for another competitor, but his ain't it.

    • WebOS? I'd love to see it as a viable open-source alternative to Android.
  • by lonechicken ( 1046406 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:45PM (#38371206)
    ... in the same way as their friends.
  • If you (Score:5, Funny)

    by MemoryDragon ( 544441 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:46PM (#38371226)

    want your kid to be beaten up by the school bully, then give him a nokia windows mobile 7 phone.

  • by HopefulIntern ( 1759406 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:48PM (#38371258)
    As a "young person", I do not see how anyone can claim Android is "baffling"... to begin with it was more of an engineer/dev/nerd phone but it quickly changed and now IIRC is the most popular phone OS. My facebook news feed often contains complaints or questions about "why is my iphone xxx" but not once have I seen any of them asking for help with a droid.
  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:49PM (#38371274) Journal
    I can't speak for really young people, but the 20-35 crowd with whom I work love their Androids.

    They tend to see the iPhone as a bit more "stuffy", but that distinction may have more to do with company policies regarding who gets what, than with any actual differences between the devices themselves. But "Baffling"? C'mon, you just slide through the screens to the one you want, and tap when you get there.

    Now, if you want to ask if the business world will get all hot over a device they can lock down via domain policies - I'd at least give that one a 50/50 (with the "not" 50% swearing like a sailor at the horror of having any mobile device trusted on their domain). But the actual users? Yeah, I'll have to go with the Nokia execs as "delusional" on this one.
  • by scorp1us ( 235526 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:50PM (#38371294) Journal

    It's not like Nokia phones are going to be any different from other vendors' WP7 phones, despite the privileged position Nokia has. Their real chance to be different was with the N9, and by all accounts the phone is a success in the markets it was launched in. People love it -- if they can get it. Carrier subsidizing is the only "feature" that is missing. But good news Newegg now carries it! [newegg.com] ($630) so no dealing with shady importers.

    I hate my Android, but I'll likely go back to iPhone, unless I swing the N9 for xmas. Yeah, I'm not even a year into the Atrix and I'm looking to spend another $630 because Android is crap. I prefer a "walled garden" to an open field of shit. I'm only waiting to see how the iPhone 5 changes things.

  • I agree! (Score:5, Funny)

    by loftwyr ( 36717 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:52PM (#38371316)

    I showed my Android phone to my 2 year old and within minutes she was fed up. To her, all those icons and such were baffling. But then I showed her a windows 7 phone and she ate it up! It spent far more time in her mouth than any other phone in the house!

  • Exacty wrong (Score:4, Interesting)

    by obarthelemy ( 160321 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:53PM (#38371340)

    I don't know why older people have this misconception that young people are more iconoclastic than older ones. Just because the Young do not have the same icons as the old I guess. Teens and young adults are gregarious and sensitive to peer pressure to an extreme, more than more mature people.
    If Nokia counts on many Young having it as an argument against the iPhone, I wish them good luck. They could try "your moms and dads have them too", but since moms and dads still mostly have Nokias, at least in Europe, that doesn't sound too smart either.
    Sounds like clutching at straws to me.

  • by JustAnotherIdiot ( 1980292 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:55PM (#38371398)
    Every other day I'm hearing about smartphone makers suing each other, that's what I'm fed up with.
  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:56PM (#38371402) Homepage Journal

    seriously, was he around nokia stuff _last_ decade?

    puffing up the music portfolio. well, that's something they've been trying for almost a decade.

    and some other stuff as well.
    “We would prefer a wireless transfer than a docking station," said Munksgaard. "A docking station has limitations because the phone has to be in a certain place. We are extremely pleased with the experience you get with the device in connection with Nokia gear. We don’t have a docking station at this point, however we are confident that as the Windows Phone ecosystem grows, third party docking station makers will support us.”

    well fuck nokia, pc suite on 3650 allowed me to install packages wirelessly from the pc, installation options and all. then you started taking things away one by one.

    read my typing: wp8 will have a task history/switch view just like android, symbian and ios. because otherwise it's going to continue sucking more than series40.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @12:58PM (#38371434)

    What's really missing the marketplace is a Linux console phone. All this graphics nonsense is just slowing people down. And what could be better than the feeling of compiling a kernel in your pocket?

    • by gmuslera ( 3436 ) * on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:09PM (#38371634) Homepage Journal
      Yes, they screwed up trying to follow up the N900 with the N9, while giving the promising N950 only to a few devels, and so far killing the future for those great portable computers with phone functionality.

      And all android phones have a linux console, just in case you would want to compile a kernel.
      • by SpzToid ( 869795 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:48PM (#38372284)

        My N9 arrived from Switzerland and I think it is just freaking beautiful, and Microsoft really did a number on Nokia to muzzle this thing. Like:

        The main website for the N9 is http://swipe.nokia.com/ [nokia.com] Okay, so you're saying 'swipe, yeah I've heard of that. so what?' Man, if only Microsoft wasn't paying Nokia so hard to put a muzzle on it. Check out the videos at the bottom of that page, particularly the 2nd thumbnail'd from the left, at the very bottom. Dig on the one-handed swipe GUI. So now maybe you're thinking, 'well okay, if the one-handed GUI carries over through out the rest of the OS maybe...'

        Okay, to do that, you have to wait for the Over the Air update (or use another way) to install the PR1.1, i.e. the first service pack for the OS since the phone was released. Then 'swipe' is fully installed, and you can also access control-keys, up/down arrows, etc. And it is freaking awesome! And being a linux guy of course I installed the devel extras which gets me the busybox terminal, and oh man what a gorgeous phone/client.

        Today I was playing with the calendar and daily alarms; gorgeous! The included browser is fast and I'm a web-dev and really appreciate the perspective it brings to understanding modern mobile html5/touch browsers (that pops-up .flv videos in the media player but now .swf files).

        I am certain Microsoft paid Nokia to *bury* the one-handed swipe GUI so deep as to obfuscate it completely. But I also think the Good Work of the Nokia linux team refuses to be buried so. At any rate, I give the N9 the coolest, most-positive thumbs-up review. And it does linux. (Oh, and who needs a million apps if I can bash script & ssh all over the place?)

  • by Fujisawa Sensei ( 207127 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:02PM (#38371496) Journal

    I think this guy's be hanging out in a wafer fab snorting fumes.

  • by tekrat ( 242117 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:02PM (#38371506) Homepage Journal

    And I liked my Palm Pilot so much, I bought a Treo. However, the Treo was a terrible phone, I had to spend extra and buy it on eBay because the 680 wasn't supported by t-Mobile and for years I lived with it. Then, finally I started phone shopping.

    A friend lent me his Nokia 900 and I found it to be un-useable. It interpreted *everything* as me wanting to use the device, including putting it back into a belt-holster... So it would start playing videos in my pocket, and when I wanted to really use it to make a phone call, the battery was dead.

    I didn't like the iPhone's on-screen keyboard, but, when the iPhone4 came out, it finally supported a bluetooth keyboard. So, I bought the iPhone & keyboard. When I'm away from the keyboard, I've learned to live with the onscreen keyboard.

    For the last year and 2 months now, it's been OK. I haven't wanted to run my phone over with my car, something I've wanted to do to both the Treo and the Nokia. Sure, it doesn't do everything, but, I have to admit it's better than what I was getting previously. The keyboard has made taking notes and writing emails very easy, making the phone a 60% desktop replacement.

    It's a fairly good PDA, and even with AT&T service, it's been a use-able phone. All it has to do is not suck entirely, which tends to be what the other products do.

    Considered that kids want what the other kids have, my guess is that this quote from Nokia that kids want a Windows Phone is rubbish. Kids want an iPhone. Apple is already on track to be the biggest phone-maker in the world.

    Nokia, RIM, Samsung, and Sony do not have a chance unless they undertake some serious R&D and make something equally revolutionary. And somehow "revolutionary" isn't a word *anyone* associates with Microsoft. Windows phone ain't it, any more than GEOS phone. WebOS could have been it, but Palm and the HP both screwed that pooch.

  • The carriers. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by characterZer0 ( 138196 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:04PM (#38371540)

    They are fed up with the carriers, not the phones.

  • by Freshly Exhumed ( 105597 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:09PM (#38371638) Homepage

    By "Exec" in the title the actual position of the speaker is in fact "director of Portfolio, Product Marketing & Sales at Nokia Entertainment Global", which equates to something like "manufacturer of consent via media manipulation, innuendo, and implication". No hard science or technology in that guy's department.

  • by IYagami ( 136831 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:11PM (#38371678)

    Just imagine: in 2013 having a windows phone that:
    a) Can be used as a phone (of course!)
    b) Can be used as a tablet (windows 8 with the Metro UI)
    c) Can be used as a computer (windows 8 with the Classic UI)
    d) Can be used as a game console (it is rumored that the next xbox could run in ARM processors a variant of the windows 8 kernel).

    Microsoft is known for improving its products version after version... Everyone thinks that Windows Phone 7.5 is a very goog start: just read the reviews:
    - Engadget ( http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/27/windows-phone-7-5-mango-review/ [engadget.com] )
    "While Windows Phone still needs a glass of water to get rid of a few hiccups -- and let's face it, every mobile OS has plenty of their own -- it ironed out a lot of the wrinkles from earlier versions and made it a much more feature-laden, user-friendly experience. With Mango, WP7 has caught up with Android and iOS in nearly every way, and in some areas it's even surpassed the other two in functionality. Despite a grim first year, the bright future of Windows Phone is forcing Ballmer to wear shades."
    - The Verge ( http://www.theverge.com/2011/10/24/2509332/windows-phone-75-mango-review [theverge.com] )
    "Put simply, regardless of your preconceptions, Windows Phone finally deserves an honest look the next time you’re ready to buy a phone — particularly as we start to see new devices come to market over the next few weeks."
    - gsmarena ( http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7_5-review-655.php [gsmarena.com] )
    "WP7 lacked key functionality, which deterred potential consumers. Version 7.5 however brings things that will appeal to businesspeople, social networking buffs and people who like a novel software experience. If you're using Microsoft software (chances are you're using at least Office at work), WP7.5 offers the smoothest, most well-rounded experience. The rich bundle of several social networks and IM clients and emails and texts is beautifully organized too. And let's face it, the Windows Phone interface is the only UI around that's truly different - iOS, Android, even Symbian are becoming harder and harder to tell apart. The only thing that held it back was the lack of multitasking and now that's been sorted out."

    • by JeremyR ( 6924 )

      Great, so in 2013, Windows Phones will be able to do what other phones already can today. And of course, the competition will be standing still in the meantime. But Windows Phone will be worth the wait, we promise!

      As for Windows Phone 7.5 being "a very good start," it's not a "start." Microsoft has been trying for years to be relevant in the mobile space. So they finally got some of it right on the seven-and-a halfth try? Good for them. (OK, I know that Windows Phone releases haven't been consecutively numb

    • by gl4ss ( 559668 )

      yes wp 7.5 is very goog.
      that is, it's shit.
      honestly, I'd rather have series 60 5th edition than that pile of crap. c7 over any of the wp phones any day.

      beautifully organized? are you literally smoking crack? wp7 is different for diferences sake - and because whipping up a fucking menu and billing it up as an operating system is the oldest trick in the book. there's a reason why it's moving away from that release per release, by wp 8.5 frizzleberry it'll have a sliding notification box with a task switcher(h

  • by RyuuzakiTetsuya ( 195424 ) <taiki.cox@net> on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:21PM (#38371866)

    Om Malik commenting on the state of Nokia in Finland. [gigaom.com]

    I co-incidentally happen to be in Helsinki, a few miles away from Nokiaâ(TM)s global headquarters in Espoo, Finland. Walking around the downtown (where I am staying), I have seen many more iPhones than Nokia phones. And most of the startup people I met have some variation of the iPhone. One of them who is still in college told me that Nokia gave him one of their new phones, and he decided to use it as a way to support his nationâ(TM)s largest employer. A month later, he switched back to the iPhone. Ouch! When you canâ(TM)t give away your phones to your own âoeyouth,â it is time to stop hating on other platforms and look for ways to get people to use your product.

    Nokia can't even give away their phones!

  • Making a mistake (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Capt.DrumkenBum ( 1173011 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:25PM (#38371924)
    They are doing it wrong. They should push it as a business friendly phone. Nice tight integration with Exchange server. add on some security tools. Enable remote wiping, and perhaps even a remote bricking.
    Sell it as an Enterprise phone. Replacement for the blackberry.
  • by hondo77 ( 324058 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:43PM (#38372200) Homepage
    My daughter is fed up that I haven't bought her an iPhone yet. Does that count?
  • by erroneus ( 253617 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @01:45PM (#38372232) Homepage

    "You don't have to be delusional to work here, but it helps!"

  • by Lifyre ( 960576 ) on Wednesday December 14, 2011 @02:13PM (#38372706)

    My wife now has a WP7 phone (HTC Arrive) and loves it. The OS seems well put together and while it doesn't seem to be a power user phone it does many of the functions better of being a phone, text platform, and media consumption device much more smoothly than either iOS or Android. I use both an Android (Galaxy SII currently) and an iPhone 4 on a daily basis, my preference is heavily on the Android side for many usability and functionality reasons. I also run custom ROMs on my android vs. stock on the iPhone which may have much to do with my experience.

    That said the WP7 has been impressive enough that it may just be my next phone.

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