Kindle Fire Will Be Hotter Than iPad This Holiday 258
zacharye writes "Amazon's upcoming Kindle Fire could be the hottest tablet on the market this holiday season, with demand that may even surpass Apple's blockbuster slate, the iPad 2. Results from a recent survey published by electronics shopping guide Retrevo.com suggest that more consumers are interested in purchasing Amazon's upcoming tablet than Apple's tried and true iPad. As a result, the site speculates that the Kindle Fire represents Apple's first real competition in the tablet space."
SNL summed it up well (Score:5, Funny)
Itâ(TM)s expected to sell well among parents who always buy the wrong thing [allthingsd.com]
This is a stupid submission (Score:4, Insightful)
So the summary says it could be hotter than the iPad. Then you see that the source is just some survey from an electronics shopping guide nobody's heard of. And somehow, the headline definitively becomes "Kindle Fire Will Be Hotter Than iPad This Holiday." Another stellar prediction from the site that brought you predictions of the failures of both the iPod and iPod mini.
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You forgot iPhone and iPad. Actually, if it's from Apple, then /. will predict failure.
Re:SNL summed it up well (Score:5, Funny)
The cheeseburger is tasty and delicious. The iPad is decidedly not.
If I drop a cheeseburger and it breaks, it only costs me $1.69 to replace it. The iPad? $500 and up!
I can put *any condiments I want* on my cheeseburger. The only apps I'm officially allowed to put on an iPad are dictated by the Apple store.
I can literally tear my cheeseburger in two and share it with a friend. The iPad is a one-user device.
The best thing about an iPad? I can stack well over a dozen cheeseburgers on it.
Re:SNL summed it up well (Score:5, Funny)
You know what else will outsell the iPad? MacDonalds cheeseburgers!
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The cheeseburger is tasty and delicious.
You must shop at a different MacDonalds than any I've tried :)
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If I drop a cheeseburger and it breaks, it only costs me $1.69 to replace it. The iPad? $500 and up!
Rip-off artist! A cheeseburger at McDonald's is only $0.89. Even a double cheeseburger is only $1.19.
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I wonder what Stefan would say...
"This Christmas' hottest tablet is going to be the Kindle Fire. It comes personally signed by the Amazon employee who shipped it, contains the entire collection of The Babysitters Club, and has something called the Human Library. That's where they have a midget, and attach hundreds of books to him with velcro."
Re:SNL summed it up well (Score:4, Informative)
Watch it here. [youtube.com] People who use excessive scripts should be fed to the sarlaac.
Re:SNL summed it up well (Score:5, Interesting)
I wouldn't. The Toyota Corolla is a wellmade car for my purpose within a sweet spot between cost and value. The BMW M1 has not enough space on the back seats, not enough trunk space, is too expensive to insure, and costs too much taxes. It offers not even enough extra to remediate that at the same price level, let alone with the big price tag it comes with. The BMW M1 is for people who already have a car for their daily needs and who are looking for a toy to play with.
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Putting one on pre-order for my wife (Score:4, Informative)
What I want (Score:3)
I want something that can be like a Roku or Apple TV. I want Video out for my TV. I want it to cost about $200. I want it to play Hulu, Netflix and Amazon Instant Video. If it play apple itunes video all the better. And I want it to have decent but not excellent pad function so I can take it ont car trips instead of my laptop. Finally, I want an OS that will be updated (e.g. ice cream sandwhich or later). Anyone have one?
Re:What I want (Score:4, Interesting)
The reason Roku & AppleTV are so cheap is that they don't have a display, lithium battery, or enough flash to store content. You want high res display, capacitive touch screen, storage, and portability, you are not going to pay $200 any time soon.
Even the Kindle Fire is a loss leader. It will never be as flexible as an iPad because that way Amazon would never make their money back.
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To an extent I disagree, the iPad isn't going to be as flexible as it could be as long as Apple continues Steve's obsession with controlling how the end user uses the product. Hopefully with Steve gone they can remember who the customers are. Consequently, I'm not so sure that the Fire is going to be that much less flexible than the iPad.
Re:What I want (Score:5, Insightful)
The rest of the Apple marketing team continues to roll on the floor with laughter ever time they hear this. When will it become clear that the mindset you espouse is but a rounding error on some spreadsheet?
Re:What I want (Score:5, Insightful)
Seriously. Apple = #1 market cap in the world. Apple #1, Exxon #2. $350B+ and growing.
People can complain all they want about Apple's policies, UI, features, etc, in regards to their personal opinions or tastes (and I agree with many of those complaints, actually). But claiming they don't understand their customer is absolutely absurd. They build what people *want*, and they do that better than any corporation ever has in the history of corporations. It doesn't matter if it's engineering or marketing that gets that done, in the end. Though clearly in their case it's a (very effective) combination of the two...
Re:What I want (Score:4, Insightful)
Ford was also pretty good at it. People wanted a faster horse that could carry big loads or lots of people. He built them an affordable car. People didn't even know they wanted that before it got on the market but it sold like crazy.
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I think Apple got to where they ARE by knowing who their customers are.
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Well, you can actually do most of that with Motorola's Droid X2 (and probably other Android phones). I've got a decently long HDMI cable laid out in my living room. One end in the TV, the other ending up near the couch. Plug it into the phone, enabling "mirror mode" -- everything on the phone's screen shows up on the TV in 720p -- and use the phone as a sort of remote. I also use a mini-speaker to get better sound quality than the built in speakers are capable of.
For Netflix, baseball, and football, I u
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And I want Olivia Hunt to give me a nice hummer.
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Out of curiousity, I just placed another order, and the delivery estimate was Nov 17-22. The one I pre-ordered on day one says Nov 16.
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It's an iPod touch. After two weeks, the back's going to be so scratched that you won't even know it was engraved....
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How do you know he didn't engrave it with "Recommended retail price: $399"?
could = will? (Score:5, Insightful)
Since when are "could" and "will" synonymous?
Re:could = will? (Score:5, Informative)
The sad thing is that when there's dupes - one with a sensational (and inaccurate) headline and the other with an unsensational (and accurate) headline - the sensational headline makes it to the front page whereas the other gets buried as a dupe. It's not that the community actively works to create inaccuracies and sensationalism, it's just that those are better at catching people's attention.
'Could' transformed to 'will' is probably the most common headline error on /. 'Could' stories aren't interesting - that word usually indicates an opinion piece (usually in the form of a blog) or some shoddy survey (such as this article). People tend to glance over them. 'Will' stories tend to be either a conclusion with legitimate research to back it up or a bait and switch of 'could.' So we look for 'will' and overlook 'could.'
I only post this nuanced examination into the phenomenon in hopes that it inspires others to bury these could = will stories before they can escape the firehose.
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I only post this nuanced examination into the phenomenon in hopes that it inspires others to bury these could = will stories before they can escape the firehose.
You forget they know that Slashdot's main audience is a bunch of FOSS nazi's that live for the eventual hope that Apple will either die or be forced to convert iOS to a command line interface.
Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:4, Interesting)
I'd suggest that apple should make a 7" tablet so they can compete at the same price point. But maybe it would be better to wait and see what the user experience is like on these. It seems like it would be too small.
Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Informative)
Apple doesn't get into prince wars. They give away market share against competitors that are willing to lose money and focus on profitable segments of the market.
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Exactly! Why would one of the most profitable companies in the world want to change their insanely successful strategy and go low end to compete with a loss leader?
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Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Funny)
Plus Steve Jobs is pining for the fjords.
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Yeah, so the military should stop using weapons because that's what the other guy knows they're going to do?
There will always be a market for a company that caters to the high end of the market as long as they have appropriate products for that market segment. Sometimes even when that market is very, very small (i.e. Rolex, Ferrari) but you can still be very profitable.
Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Interesting)
Since the only thing Apple has done that has been successfully predicted over the last decade is make money hand over fist, I I think they are doing just fine. Much better than most militaries these days.
Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Insightful)
Except Apple does change things up. They've sacrificed product lines with the introduction of new products.
The iPod is nearly dead, despite just half a decade ago, being one of the most popular devices on the planet. Killed basically by smartphones, and the iPhone. Apple's low-end computers are taking a beating because people realize they just needed an iPad over the "complexities" of a computer.
Hell, even within a product line - the iPod mini (remember that?) was one of the most popular iPods in the lineup, killed by the Nano. The iPod Shuffle's currently dying, since the current Nano is basically better in every way. It and the Classic are only surviving because they're fulfilling niches (Shuffle - cheap ($50). Classic - carrying your entire library with you).
Hell, the only strategy they haven't changed was "make it feel premium and charge healthy margins" rather than race to the bottom. Mostly because they know their competitors are doing the race to the bottom thing. When the iPad came out, everyone was thinking it was a $1000 failure and got their $700 competitors just about to hit the market. When it came out at $500, it basically took a year for them to come out with a viable competitor.
Now, the biggest problem with the Kindle Fire is it's US only. Outside the US it's relatively useless - you can't access the Amazon App Store (unless you have a US billing address).
And yes, the iPad and Kindle Fire will be competitors (more than "iPad and everyone else"). But Android tablets need to take note - because the Kindle Fire is basically pushing them to the wayside. And the biggest thing is - the Amazon Android ecosystem isn't exactly sitting easy with a lot of Android developers. But if the Kindle sells well enough, it makes the Amazon App Store a tempting place to sell. Walled garden and app approvals a la the Apple App Store model.
Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (Score:5, Insightful)
A 7" iPad would cost about $400.
The Fire is cheap because it is essentially a subsidized POS terminal for Amazon store.
Apple is not going to follow that model.
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Re:Price is low because of subsidy, not size. (Score:5, Interesting)
They run it as an at-cost loss leader. Amazon has great streaming selection but a crappy tablet, so they subsidize the tablet. Apple has a great tablet but doesn't offer streaming as a complementing option, so the subsidize the things they do offer.
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They publish their balance sheet. They don't make much money on the stores.
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Only a small portion of their total profits come from the sales on iTunes/the App Store. But that's because the company makes billions in profits. These stores are still very profitable for them.
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Asymco, probably one of the best analysts around for Apple, estimates apple's various online stores cost approximately 1.3 billion dollars per year to run. He also estimates they earn a gross income of approximately 1.3 billion dollars.
His net income estimate is somewhere around zero.
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Kagi charges about 30%, so does eSellerate, and neither of them support remotely as good copy protection. If you were selling brick and mortar, you might be able to get your costs under 30% of the sticker price if you get volumes in the millions. Manufacturing for a B&M requires minimum runs of thousands, tooling, printing, so even if you can snag a better-than-30% ratio, you've still gotta come up with tens of $k just to start a run, put stuff in a channel, manage that channel, market it...
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Fire is below margin according to most reports.
Apple could drop the price $50 and still make money, but why would they? Apple only sells products where it can make a good margin. That also would do little to close the gap on a $200 subsidized tablet.
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Price is low because of subsidy, but it's not below the margin. Apple could easily drop the price by $50-80 and still shovel money as fast as they can.
CITATION NEEDED. From what I've read from the breakdown on parts, Amazon is selling the fire below cost especially considering the lower volume compared with the iPad.
Sure, Apple could drop the price but what would they gain in return? They are currently selling virtually every iPad 2 they make within a week off the factory floor.
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There was exactly one source that was saying that Fire is sold below cost, it was just wildly cited and re-cited all over the Net until it became an "everyone knows" kind of thing - e.g. like this [tomsguide.com]. I've seen several people pick that analysis apart for numerous reasons (e.g. apparently some components were price-estimated at retail, not what they actually cost for a large production run) - can't give you the link easily, but some of that discussion was right here on /.
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Not gonna happen. Apple only makes premium products at high margin. Amazon is selling this at or below cost, and making money selling the content.
Re:Maybe Apple should make a smaller one? (Score:5, Informative)
Apple made a 7" tablet. You know what happened to it? They killed it when they decided that the experience of using it was inferior to using a 10". Steve Jobs even mentioned that they intentionally chose 10" over 7" because the user experience was far inferior on the 7" screen.
Rumors indicate that Apple does batteries of internal product testing with a variety of fully-completed prototypes. Rather than putting them all out on the market and seeing which ones sink or float, which is what a lot of companies do, Apple pits them against each other to see which one they think is best, and then they bring that one to market. The benefit is that they can focus on one thing and do it well, and they have less costs associated with maintaining a variety of devices and their supply chains, allowing them to simplify.
Part of the reason you see so many 7" tablets from competitors is also because Apple has locked up a large chunk of the 10" supply from manufacturers, leaving their competitors to grab as many of the 7" screens as they can, then try to market it as an advantage over the iPad. There definitely are some advantages to 7", to be sure, but between the supply lock Apple has and the difficulty the competitors are having in matching prices, many of them had their hand forced on the 7" vs. 10" choice.
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Apple gives manufacturers billions of dollars up front to build new facilities to manufacture their products. They take all the output, but that's understandable because they paid the up-front cost. Other companies could do the same, if they felt they could afford to bet the farm on a new product the way Apple often does.
....brighter or less bright for the Kindle Fire (Score:4, Interesting)
From TFA: Retrevo’s Andrew Eisner wrote on a company blog. “As popular as the Kindle Fire appears in this study, whether it lives up to expectations on things like battery life, performance, image quality, etc, the picture could get brighter or less bright for the Kindle Fire.”
The picture could get brighter OR less bright for the Kindle Fire. Yep. That's a clear viewpoint.
"...27% said they would upgrade to a Kindle Fire..."
I don't know if you can "upgrade" to a Fire, unless they're counting current Kindle e-ink owners in the mix. I own an iPad AND I'm buying a Fire to dink around with. $199 is cheap enough that surely I can find some use for it, if only to keep in the bathroom... (grin)
What? Yeah, because this article is crap. (Score:3)
Basically he's pointing out that the article in question is based on consumer reports with no hands on experience.
I don't think that's necessarily going to be a winner or loser for the Kindle at Christmas, post Christmas though...
2 vs 5 (Score:5, Informative)
The Kindle Fire is $200 the iPad starts at $500 and goes up to $830. They are competing at different levels of the market. And Apple's hardware margin is about 50% while Amazon's is around 10%. Which means people are getting a better hardware value.
Why would it be a shock if given those sorts of numbers the iPad was outsold?
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If this was a desktop computer, I would agree with you, but completely integrated (mobile) products are more than just the sum of their components. Most consumers don't care about "hardware value" then as such, although the lower price might be attractive. I ne
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What high-end Android tablet (I take it as meaning "running Honeycomb") costs $350? The cheapest I'm aware of is Asus Transformer, and that goes for $380 (or whatever the current deal is on Amazon, it fluctuates +/- $10).
But, anyway, GP's point was that Apple is getting even better a deal than you think they do, because they source components for lower prices than most Android manufacturers simply due to the magnitude of the order. When you can come and say, "give us 5 million per month, for the next 3 year
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I'm talking gross margin on hardware. I had originally heard that Amazon was taking a small loss but they announced to shareholders they weren't and since lying to shareholders about a matter of simple fact is criminal, I believe them.
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You are confusing "margin", its the other way its about $180 worth of parts.
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I've heard that too with IHS saying they are -$10 /per. But Amazon insists they are profitable in official filings with fire.
Anyway, the margin on kindle content is nowhere near 50%. I don't think they have any items with a 100% markup at all. I'd guess closer to 20%. But... I disagree with you on $40 content. Amazon does more ebook volume than physical book volume. Kindle readers seem to get some new content about every 3 weeks per. The question with fire since fire isn't exclusively an e-reader d
Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakness (Score:5, Interesting)
Amazon produces a Kindle app for almost every platform, which ensures that the Kindle eBook marketplace is dominant. But buying an actual Kindle device limits you to the Kindle eBook marketplace.
The Kindle App is the single app I use most on my iPad (but far from the most used app as I am not the only user), but it is far easier to get an epub or PDF onto an iPad (and into the Apple iBooks) than it is to do the same on a Kindle device. I can get on to Safari Books Online (O'Reilly's eBook website) through my employer's proxy server. My iPad is an amazing programming partner - the best reference source I have ever had. It is worth the extra money to have all of those extra book sources. (I think Android tables can do this as well, I'm arguing against the Kindle and not specifically FOR the iPad)
Just pay the extra money. It is worth it.
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Amazon produces a Kindle app for almost every platform, which ensures that the Kindle eBook marketplace is dominant. But buying an actual Kindle device limits you to the Kindle eBook marketplace.
That's news to me. About half the books on my Kindle came from Smashwords, Gutenburg and archive.org; I always buy ebooks from Smashwords where possible, because they're guaranteed DRM-free.
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Have you ever actually tried to put a 3rd party book into a Kindle? You just plug it into your computer with the provided USB cable, drag the file over, and you're done.
Regardless, you are right that if you want a device to read reference books on, the Kindle (like all e-ink solutions) is a poor choice. Even with all the advancements they've made to speed page turns, it's still too slow to be a good reference book.
Re:Kindle's biggest strength is it's biggest weakn (Score:5, Informative)
The Kindle App is the single app I use most on my iPad (but far from the most used app as I am not the only user), but it is far easier to get an epub or PDF onto an iPad (and into the Apple iBooks) than it is to do the same on a Kindle device.
With Calibre it's every bit as easy with a Kindle as with an iPad. You tell it where your books are, you tell it what device you have, and it figures out the best format to use, then converts on the fly.
Aside from that, the iPad is a better device for technical documentation, if you're going to be flipping around a lot and looking at diagrams. The Kindle is a better device if you are going to read something straight through.
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[...] but it is far easier to get an epub or PDF onto an iPad (and into the Apple iBooks) than it is to do the same on a Kindle device.
Isn't it handy when you control the device that you get to do things that third-parties aren't allowed to do?
I'd love to call "bullshit", but... (Score:2)
I never though the web would take off, either. The jury is still out on Web 2.0 though...
Kindle is still America centric. (Score:4, Insightful)
The Kindle fire is largely a non-starter outside of the US because the ecosystem outside of books is largely US centric whereas the iPad offers music, games, movies and TV for iTunes users in many countries around the world.
In other news..... (Score:5, Insightful)
"ABI Research Survey: 58% of iPod Owners Planning Another MP3 Player Purchase Will Consider Microsoft's Zune"
http://www.zunegy.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=ABISURV110106&Store_Code=Z [zunegy.com]
How did that turn out?
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No access to Google Market - NO THANKS (Score:4, Insightful)
I was really excited about this thing until I read that you could only use the Amazon App Store.
That's not terribly surprising, this is Amazon after all, but it is still very very disappointing.
Amazon App Store is terrible, both for consumers (try using apps offline), and developers (too much to even start mentioning.)
This is the same reason I didn't get a NotionInk tablet when they came out either.
Yes, I can root the thing (and will likely be able to root the Amazon device) but I shouldn't have to and I try to avoid supporting companies who force me to hack their devices to use them the way I want.
The reason I don't have a personal iPad/iPad2 is because I detest the Apple walled garden, and Amazon is planning on doing exactly the same thing here. Don't be surprised if there is dedicated "trusted computing" hardware in the thing ;)...
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If you plan to root, I recommend the Nook Color or Tablet.
There is a micro SD slot in there that is bootable. A real joy: just copy Cyanogenmod on the micro SD(an Android distribution with good Nook support), put the micro SD in the slot, turn device off, turn on and boot into an Android environment where you are in full control and enjoy Google Market access (the hack for that is easy actually on Cyanogemod).
I'd pay the extra money (50$, so 250$ total) for the Tablet as it is much faster than my Nook Color
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Of course - this thing is cheap as a loss leader for Amazon's media sales. Amazon wants you to buy more stuff from them so the tablet's cheap. Apple wants you to buy an iPad (and the iPad margins are decent enough to do this) so they see iTunes music/books/apps whatever as a value add.
The site's wrong. (Score:2, Insightful)
The Kindle Fire isn't the first serious competitor to the iPad. That's why Apple are going arse over tit after Samsung all over the damn planet.
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Which is why the first thing Apple did was try and get every country Samsung and Apple were both selling in to stop sales of the Samsung devices until the cases were finished.
Cost Samsung a bomb in seized stock and lost revenue.
Cost Apple a hell of a lot less.
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First of all, I'm not an Apple fan boy. But I went to look at a Kindle the other day and I can't figure out why I'd even pay 10 bucks for one.
You clearly don't read a lot. I bought a Kindle recently and the e-ink screen is vastly better for reading than an LCD and I can use it for days without charging.
However, I have had to reboot it about half a dozen times; it seems to have a bunch of bugs that cause it to lock up or lose the wireless connection and not reconnect.
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The original Kindles do have that 1980's Texas Instruments design sense going for them though.
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I was thinking more 90's HP calculator, which I consider to be a good thing. I think the Kindle 3 is a pretty well designed device for it's price point and function. The GUI is awful, but the industrial design is nice.
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Except a maxi pad, apparently, because you are seriously PMSing today.
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Wow, burning mod points to trash a lame joke made to an AC. Guess aunt Flo is visiting everyone today...
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While your point stands regardless, out of curiosity, is that 90% stat real or hyperbole? It sounds like hyperbole but we are talking Apple and profit here . . .
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can't find the real number in the smartphone numbers, BUT Apple is taking 60% of the profits in the TOTAL phone market (smart+dumb) in which it only has a 5% numbers marketshare. That's better than a 10X ratio of marketshare to profitshare -- yes real numbers. So Apple's PROFITshare is huge and disproportionately so compared with its marketshare.
in tablets, Apple has 75% marketshare (real numbers as of 11/2011), so I'm sure it is taking at least 90% profitshare in tablets...
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Amazon is not losing money on Fire. It's priced pretty much exactly at what it actually costs.
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I never considered Dell to be particularly cheap - and I've owned several Dell notebooks from the CPt series Pentium II right through the Inspiron 8200 and Latitude C840, and several in between including the C400 and L400 (one of each, still got them and they are still both in regular use). I'll say one thing though - I bought Dell because I enjoyed the build quality, which to me always seemed to be much better than pretty much anything else save the Mac unibodies.
That said, I'm now running on a Toshiba L75
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Apple profiting means there will be iPads next year. If everybody making Android tablets is losing money, that means step 2 for tablet manufacturers and tablet developers is officially ???.
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Apple profiting means there will be iPads next year. If everybody making Android tablets is losing money, that means step 2 for tablet manufacturers and tablet developers is officially ???.
Not only are fanboys proud of being ripped off, they actually think they can justify it.
The consumer computer industry has survived for years on razor thin margins, in return we consumers got cheaper computers and rapid advancements. I can still buy new Macbooks with Core 2 Duo's and they cost more much as my Acer Sandy Bridge i5.
Errata, damn spell check (Score:2)
I can still buy new Macbooks with Core 2 Duo's and they cost more much as my Acer Sandy Bridge i5.
Sorry, that's an ASUS Sandy Bridge i5,
More specifically an Asus U30SD. Lighter then a 13" Macbook, better battery life, faster, switchable graphics and A$600 cheaper.
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I have to admit (As a macbook owner) that is not a half bad computer.
I would miss the unibody, and backlight keyboard. These are deal breakers for me, but really solid construction could help me get over the unibody. I'd also miss the firewire, thunderbolt, 802.11.a (useful in crowded areas), lower weight and longer battery life (read the reviews, 8 cell is heavier and gets 1 or 2 fewer hours battery life in real life), but it sounds like a real contender.
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This is true of all laptops. There are lies, damned lies and manufacturer specification.
Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (Score:4, Interesting)
Put another way, after using it for awhile, I can still sell my Macbook with a core 2 duo, buy your ASUS Sandy Bridge i5, and have change to spare. Macs are that expensive if you resell them a year or two after you buy them.
Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (Score:4, Interesting)
And in the interim, you could even have a functional trackpad [arstechnica.com].
Sometimes you actually have to pay for quality.
Re:Apple laughing all the way to the bank... (Score:5, Informative)
I can still buy new Macbooks with Core 2 Duo's
Apple hasn't sold those for some time. If you're seeing them for sale somewhere, they're old stock. All Macbooks are i5 or i7.
Your Acer isn't a substitute because it doesn't run OSX. Running the right OS is the prime requirement of a computer, way before worrying about what variant of CPU it has.
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My Toshiba runs OSX. And Win7. And SuSE 11.4. Bet it was cheaper than either the Asus or a Macbook.
(AMD E350 dual core and Vision HD graphics, 6GB memory. Oh, what a sweet bit of kit for £400).
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> Amazon has great PR.
Yup. Bad deal on this sucker. Little internal storage and no slot to add more because they want you tightly tied to them forever. So unless you have a Prime account and can use their cloud save your pennies and pay the extra $50 for the B&N tablet or sacrifice a little CPU grunt and go for the Kobo for the same $199.
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I had no interest in buying a Nook until B&N decided to stand up to the Microsoft mobile device/linux extortion racket. Now I'm about to start buying the things as x-mas presents.
One Nook (Score:2)
Why would you want a lot of books called the Nook?
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if only there were a edit button
Chuck Norris doesn't need an edit button. If Chuck Norris doesn't need one, neither does Slashdot.