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Jobs Wanted To Destroy Android 988

hype7 writes "It's clear Steve Jobs didn't pull any punches from the interviews for his forthcoming biography. In the latest release from the book, hosted over at AP, 'Isaacson wrote that Jobs was livid in January 2010 when HTC introduced an Android phone that boasted many of the popular features of the iPhone. Apple sued, and Jobs told Isaacson in an expletive-laced rant that Google's actions amounted to "grand theft." ... "I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this." ... In a subsequent meeting with Schmidt at a Palo Alto, Calif., cafe, Jobs told Schmidt that he wasn't interested in settling the lawsuit, the book says. "I don't want your money. If you offer me $5 billion, I won't want it. I've got plenty of money. I want you to stop using our ideas in Android, that's all I want." The meeting, Isaacson wrote, resolved nothing.'"
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  • by nani popoki ( 594111 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @08:52AM (#37789966) Homepage
    from Xerox PARC and other places. Google was simply following in Apple's grand tradition of stealing any IP that wasn't nailed down too tightly.
  • How do we work this (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anrego ( 830717 ) * on Friday October 21, 2011 @08:53AM (#37789968)

    On one hand, yes, the features probably are largely stolen.

    On the other hand, that’s kind of how technology evolves.

    Locking down products and ideas to the person who originally introduced them doesn’t work patents don’t work and I don’t think a free for all would either (copying something is always cheaper than development). So what is the solution here?

  • by julesh ( 229690 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:08AM (#37790182)

    Can't make a phone, AAPL thought of it first?

    Like the GUI and everything else, and Disney invented Snow White. It's all bullshit.

    Yep. HTC were making Windows CE-based phones years before the iPhone was released. And then there were the Palm-based phones, which I think predated even those. Both of those systems had similar features to iPhones before iPhones were released.

    But, hey, who ever let reality get in the way of PR?

  • by iCEBaLM ( 34905 ) <> on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:10AM (#37790204)

    The world of fashion is an intellectual propertyless environment. You cannot copyright, patent or trade secret a design, so copies happen frequently. Every designer plays off the other, yet the industry still works and is incredibly profitable as it rakes in $20 billion a year.

    Why could tech not be the same?

  • by mjwx ( 966435 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:15AM (#37790266)

    The book delves into Jobs' decision to delay surgery for nine months after learning in October 2003 that he had a neuroendocrine tumor — a relatively rare type of pancreatic cancer that normally grows more slowly and is therefore more treatable. Instead, he tried a vegan diet, acupuncture, herbal remedies and other treatments he found online, and even consulted a psychic.

    He seems to be a poster child for alternative medicine.

    Exactly how not to treat a perfectly treatable cancer.

    If, the author is telling the truth. Whilst I'm not Mr Jobs' biggest fan, I do have to take this source with a huge grain of salt given it was published after his death. OTOH, it would fit with Mr Jobs' narcissism to have a scathing biography ready-written for his demise.

  • by h00manist ( 800926 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:17AM (#37790304) Journal

    Steve Jobs:
    "We have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."
    "Good artists copy; great artists steal." []

    Bill Gates:
    "It's easier for our software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's not."
    "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."

    Ariel Katz, a law professor at the University of Toronto and an expert on the economics of piracy:
    "Microsoft benefits from piracy, then says, 'If you think prices are high, blame the Chinese, because they are the thieves,' "

    "They like us to feel guilty — to think that piracy is wrong and immoral. Economically, it's not necessarily true, but it resonates with the public."

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:30AM (#37790528)

    1) Jobs "borrowed" the idea for a GUI from Xerox Parc.

    2) Jobs' very first product was a box which enabled stealing
    from the phone company via illegal access to WATS lines.

    The theme here is that Jobs wanted to be the only one who
    engaged in ripoffs of one sort or another.

    I find myself thinking it is not entirely a bad thing that this
    Jobs character is gone. And I am typing this on a Mac.

  • by Xest ( 935314 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:36AM (#37790612)

    Even outside the context of the copying of Xerox's ideas it's rediculous. Apart from it's UI the iPhone borrowed heavily in every other way from existing phones, or is Job's saying only UIs aren't allowed to have ideas that are a natural progression be utilised in other devices? Even assuming that's the case the iPhone's UI was hardly that groundbreaking, some Windows XP tablets had single click icons and an auto-hiding start bar enabled by default when I tried them as far back as 2003, so single pressing the Windows desktop icons worked in pretty much the same way. If anything the iPhone's standout was merely about polish on existing ideas, why should anyone see Android as any different?

    Of course, the hypocrisy becomes even more galling when you consider iOS5 is full of features copied from Android.

    People who genuinely care about contributing to society like Newton instead use quotes such as the classic "standing on the shoulders of giants" (or however you believe it was originally phrased). They don't have an easily dented ego, they just care about making things better whether improving existing things or coming up with new. This to me just reaffirms that Jobs was an arrogant selfish dick with no care for anything other than his own ego.

    I don't know what the point in releasing these quotes is now though, I'm not one for painting an unrealistic angelic picture of someone just because they're dead, but I also understand that some people would rather any criticism of him at least waits a while until after he's dead. Were these quotes designed to rally anti-Android sentiment by Apple? or were they leaked as a counter to Steve's post-death saint like image painted by the media?

    I suspect people will respond to these quotes based largely on their pre-defined thoughts about Steve anyway, but something strikes me as a little tasteless about digging into them right now, when Apple vs. Android and arguably Steve's death can still be considered current events. It strikes me as a rather misguided attempt to exploit his death one way or another.

    Of course, the other possibility is it's merely about drumming up profits for whoever is publishing his autobiography, but there you have it I guess. Anyone know who is getting the profits for that now? As a somewhat related aside, anyone know what happened to Steve's fortunes? have they all just gone to his family, or did he finally do something charitable with his departing wishes?

  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 21, 2011 @09:50AM (#37790880)

    You are wasting your time. Apple zealots lie to themselves about everything tech related. They simply cannot comprehend the fact Apple basically rip off everyone else, and make a shinier product with exceptional marketing.

    Apple still aren't paying for wireless patents, something pretty critical to cellular technology, their OS was taken from a free UNIX clone, the touch screens have been around since the 90s, coverflow was taken from an open source media player on the Nokia N700, portable music devices have been around since the 80s and merely evolve to each generation of playback technology. Early apple ipods wouldn't even play mp3s, Apple decided everyone had to use another format. App stores have been around in the guise of Linux and BSD distros since the 90s, and pay for apps was being done by Lindows years before Apple copied the idea. All the tech inside their devices is made by someone else, they basically pick components out of catalogs and put them together, nothing innovative here. The CPUs are merely ARMs with extensions. Proprietary ICs has been around since the early 80s. If you want enough of them, or pay enough, fabs will do anything you want with their stock ICs.

  • by chrispix ( 624431 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @10:03AM (#37791142)
    Android has had GPS proximity alerts in LocationManager since API 1.0 [] But I bet it was Steve Job's idea.. That way it could be magical when they release it 4 years later.
  • by Miamicanes ( 730264 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @10:04AM (#37791156)

    > Take GPS based alerts. Had that idea since the first week I had my iPhone 3G.
    > Why did it take nearly 4 years for Apple to add the feature?

    Actually, you can find old archived posts going all the way back to the first bluetooth-enabled PalmOS phones about using an external GPS paired to the phone to enable location-based alerts. I myself had a few threads around the same time about my idea of driving around with your phone and sniffing the relative strength of visible CDMA towers, then using it to build a personal database of waypoints for a similar purpose.

    Apple innovated nothing besides maybe making things guys from were doing with hacked ROMs and custom extensions 5-10 years ago usable by people who couldn't tell you the difference between JPEG and pdf if you put a gun to their head and threatened to shoot if they couldn't identify at least one difference, no matter how trivial.

    Part of the reason why there's so much hate between Android fans and iPhone fans is due to Steve's determination that EVERYONE, not just clueless users, should be forced to do without features that couldn't be dumbed-down and uniformly offered to everyone in exactly the same way. Android allows you to tweak your phone to individual perfection. Apple makes sure a complete stranger can pick up your phone and figure out how to make a call, even if it limits what you can do to make the phone work the way YOU want it to work. After all, your individual preferences don't matter, because Steve Jobs was omniscient, and your dissatisfaction with His Work was merely due to your lack of enlightenment and understanding.

  • by Tharsman ( 1364603 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @10:57AM (#37792340)

    I think Steve's grudge was not just about the "copying" but about the betrayal story behind it. Google's CEO was part of Apple's board of directors. He was aware of what was going there, and he either lied to everyone at Apple about their phone OS plans, or went on their backs and told the Android team what was Apple's take and made them drop the BlackBerry race and go Touch.

    Steve trusted Schmidt, just like he trusted Gates about MacOS, and he suffered the same fate (I do have to admit, for such a secretive man, he should had known better.) I guess the difference is now Apple having enough money to pursue infinite legal battles and a spice of leftover grude of the last time this happened.

    Samsung's case is likely more specific, too. Samsung is a big manufacturer of iDevice parts and it's likely enthrusted with a lot of design information. There are supposed to be division walls that prevent this type of secret information from spreding into divisions that compete with client's interest, but witnesses in the current lawsuits have pointed at there being leaks on such walls. So thats another company they must feel betrayed by.

    You may notice, despite the noise that went about when Palm Pre with WebOS was announced, there was no real legal battle there. I doubt it had much to do with Palms ability to use their patents to defend themselves and more with the fact that they had no presonal grudge there, just business interests.

    It is easy for us to say how childish, and counter productive these lawsuits can be, but its hard to understand it without actually standing in their shoes. Try just to imagine a smaller case scenario of equal personal impact. Perhaps a co-worker stealing credit or stealing your job and being rewarded for it. A comic book artist creating a character or story to have a friend rip it off and publish it with small alterations. Heck, there was no lawsuit there, but look at the Babylon 5 vz Deep Space 9 issue. It still is possible to find remnants of Straczynski early 90s web and usenet rantings expressing his anger at the plagiarism.

    When you are the victim of these idea thefts, it can be extremely upsetting. When it is done by a trusted business partner or friend, it can be insanely infuriating. It does not matter how good the competition is for the industry, or the alternatives for the consumers, your emotions will go highwire. The closest your relationship to the individual or entity in question the worse will be.

    Dont take me worng, I am very sad for Job's passing, but with him gone I predict the current cases may keep going for the next couple of years, but in about 2 years, maybe just 1, we will start seeing settlements and a reduction of said cases. The momentum will be carried for at least a year or two, but after that, I take it we will see more willingness to do settlements. Not saying lawsuits are going to stop. Just as Microsoft protects their "business interest" and patents, Apple will likely be the same way, they will just not try to be as destructive about it.

  • by thestudio_bob ( 894258 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @11:18AM (#37792820)

    but jobs was a supreme asshole and I'm glad he's gone. attitudes like his are harmful whether you like apple or not.

    It's funny how people who seem to be extremely motivated and successful get labeled as an "asshole". It's been said of Albert Einstein, Thomas Edison, James Cameron, Frank LLoyd Wright, Henry Ford, Charles Lindberg, etc. The list is really quite large.

    Makes you wonder who is labeling these guys assholes? Perhaps it's all of the idiot people that work around them.

    All geniuses are assholes.
    But not all assholes are geniuses.

    ~ Slacker/Idiot worker for said genius

  • by JasterBobaMereel ( 1102861 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @11:26AM (#37792988)

    Apple's Multitouch was invented by a company that Apple bought ... the original inventor who founded the company credits and acknowledges Bill Buxton in his Doctoral Thesis on Multi Touch ...

  • by mendelrat ( 2490762 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @12:38PM (#37794238)

    People who genuinely care about contributing to society like Newton instead use quotes such as the classic "standing on the shoulders of giants" (or however you believe it was originally phrased). They don't have an easily dented ego, they just care about making things better whether improving existing things or coming up with new. This to me just reaffirms that Jobs was an arrogant selfish dick with no care for anything other than his own ego.

    Newton was just as petty and and seemed to have a *staggeringly* large ego, despite his famous quote you mention. You can get an idea of his craziness from his Wikipedia page [], though to get a better idea just google around to see plenty of fun stories about Newton's interations with Leibnitz (Math), Hooke (Optics), and Flamsteed/Halley (Astronomy). I'm sure there are more I'm forgetting, too.

  • by Fubari ( 196373 ) on Friday October 21, 2011 @03:27PM (#37797178)

    I know if I get cancer I'm doing exactly what the doctor tells me, but that's also probably why I'm not the head of a multi-billion dollar company either.

    The veneer of certainty that conventional doctors present can certainly comforting, but is - in its own way - a kind of reality distortion field.
    Be careful about doing exactly what any single doctor tells you - research, be informed, get 2nd opinions, all that time consuming stuff.
    For example, I've read about thyroid issues where the plan is to nuke it (literally, with radioactive iodine) to kill off the thyroid tissue. I would save that for like Plan Q, maybe - after plan A, B, C etc... didn't work out.
    (if I can believe what they wrote about Jobs delaying treatment, that is simply regrettable wishful thinking - then again, I didn't know that a subset of pancreatic cancer was actually survivable - I thought it was pretty much a fatal, quick and unpleasant end).
    Anyway, thankfully I haven't had to deal with cancer issues in my family... but I would research the hell out anything that did turn up.

I've got a bad feeling about this.