iPad 2 Rumored to be in Production 192
Stoobalou writes "The normally sober and sometimes accurate Wall Street Journal is claiming that Apple's iPad 2 is currently in production. Foxconn might be producing a limited number of prototype samples of the Second Coming of the iPad but we're pretty sure full production won't start until Steve Jobs (or whoever will be donning the black turtleneck in his sickly stead) strides onto the stage at the official launch keynote."
Rumors (Score:4, Funny)
This post is rumored to be the 1st post! It's in production now!
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But who will get the 1st suicide?
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My money is on Dell. Apple pays their section of Foxconn workers extra to not commit suicide.
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And other perks, like the free safety nets [dailytech.com].
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/. News Network (Score:2, Insightful)
A company well known for releasing new models of its products will release a new model of one of its newest products! Gasp!
Also, will it have video-out capability yet? Or possibly video-in so I can use it to pretend I have a portable DVD player?
No DVD (Score:5, Insightful)
It is very unlikely that Apple would do anything to make it easy to put a DVD on the iPad. They want you to obtain content like that through the iTunes store. Anything they can do to help kill physical media is good for Apple.
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It is very unlikely that Apple would do anything to make it easy to put a DVD on the iPad. They want you to obtain content like that through the iTunes store. Anything they can do to help kill physical media is good for Apple.
Anything they can do to help kill physical media is good for everyone.
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No it's not: you become beholden to your DRM certificates' provider. What happens when you want to use non-Apple hardware/software 10 years from now ? or even next year ?
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People are legitimately concerned that a particular store/DRM regime may disappear one day, which is why Amazon UnBox, iTunes and the various MS marketplaces offer terms for rental :) Don't have to worry about DRM expiring when you only have the movie for 3 days.
If you want to OWN a movie, to be able to watch it on demand, without Internet or company interference, your only option remains ordering the disk. Sorry, that's the best the technology can offer, assuming we exclude the plainly illegit methods, li
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it's not the best "technology" has to offer. It's the business "business" and "the law" want to offer us for now. It isn't hard to imagine a standardized, normalized, maybe even syndicate- or government-run DRM scheme that would free us from being beholden to a single company.
Re:No DVD (Score:4, Insightful)
What part of my post, after the word "assuming," didn't you understand?
Without legal regimes to create copyrights, there'd be no mass media to buy content from, you'd have a high-speed no-physical-media perfectly-interoperable system to deliver the best content creators would have to offer under such a system, which would be:
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My DVDs can burn in a fire, they can grow fungus, get scratched. DVDs may eventually go the way of the Dodo and manufacturing may cease, eventually my dvd player breaks down and there is no way to play that back.
Yes, all extreme cases, just as extreme as the ones you list.
For one, there are rentals (yay netflix streaming, die dvd rentals!)
But in the long run, it just takes looking at the digital music market to predict what will happen in the long term. These DRMs will eventually be depreciated, stores
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My DVDs can burn in a fire
Most people have insurance against that. Does anyone even offer insurance against your DRM scheme going belly up? (I can't really see how they could given the massive systemic risk)
they can grow fungus, get scratched.
Some of us take care of our possesions. Ok scratches may be an issue for a few of the most frequently used discs but they shouldn't be a threat to your entire collection in the way a DRM scheme going belly up is.
But in the long run, it just takes looking at the digital music market to predict what will happen in the long term. These DRMs will eventually be depreciated, stores like iTunes will continue to support old DRMs but only sell DRM free content. It will take a few years, though, because it wont happen until movie digital sales are as commonplace as digital music sales were a couple years ago.
I hope you are right but fear you are wrong. Afaict the music industry only relented on DRM because they were fed up wi
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I hope you are right but fear you are wrong. Afaict the music industry only relented on DRM because they were fed up with apple having a two product lockin (you couldn't use your ipod with DRM music purchased from anywhere other than itunes and you couldn't easilly use your itunes music on a non-apple portable player).
The movie industry OTOH seems to be all for tightening up on protection. Afaict movies have never been sold in the west in any significant numbers (there was videocd but I have never seen a legit videocd for sale) in an unprotected digital format. Yes the DVD protection is thoughrougly cracked but they are still using it to bring the legal hammer on anyone who sells DVD copying software commercially and they really stepped up the protection for blu-ray.
It was Apple that was sick of the DRM, every time some one came up with any kind of workaround the DRM they were contractually forced to patch the DRM to prevent that DRM, a lot of money wasted in something that added no real security and in the end it added nothing to their sales (people WANTED iPods, they didn't need a lock-in to sell the things.) It was the music industry that refused to let go of the DRM. Heck, even at the end they told Apple they would only accept DRM free music IF Apple allowed them t
One benefit (Score:3)
until that purchased contents DRM system is deprecated and you're left with a bunch of useless files you can no longer play.
Actually, the Apple DRM'ed files would continue to play as long as your devices held out.
Another poster replied with a good point - physical DVD's can be destroyed. If you accidentally deleted your Apple media, one good point in their favor is you can simply re-download the files because Apple knows what you have. And not all Apple media is DRm - audio files are not. It's only Video
Re:No DVD (Score:4, Informative)
None of your listed fears reasonably apply to iTunes content.
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Rip. Mix. Burn. (Score:3)
Granted it came out before the iTunes store, but Apple was the company behind Rip. Mix. Burn. [youtube.com] which greatly pissed off all the record companies.
Re:No DVD (Score:4, Insightful)
1) Most movies come with "Digital Copy" now. Put the code in iTunes, and you are done.
2) For the ones that don't there's always Handbrake [handbrake.fr], which has presets for it and makes it trivial to convert in a few minutes. Once it's done, drag to iTunes and sync.
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Steve has a better way: for a small fee, you can download a digital copy right to your device directly from iTunes. It's like magic, except that Steve gets 30%.
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Yes, 'quite easy'. Obvious problems though - you shouldn't need iTunes. It's a stupid interface for getting movies onto your device.
How so? iTunes is a large part of the mass appeal of iPods.
Something like AirShare lets you drag and drop a movie on your desktop to the device, but of course the sandboxing means you can't get that movie into your iPad videos folder, you nee to watch it inside AirShare.
Why does that matter? It still plays just fine.
The iPad also has no inbuilt way to watch movies stored on NAS.
Why does that matter? If there are apps easily available, how important is to to be built in?
There's a number of apps which try to offer DLNA support, but all the ones I've tried have been unstable.
I've not used any DLNA apps, but I've used network video sharing apps, and they all worked fantastically, even transcoding on the fly.
It's not that the iPad isn't capable - look at the XBMC install for jailbroken iPads. It's just that Apple won't allow the capabilities to be exploited.
Um, except that they do. You've seen the App Store, right?
They'd rather you just bought the movie again through iTunes and let them get their cut.
Their "cut" isn't the issue. They'd much rather you buy an iPad than buy movies from them. Their selling of movies is ent
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I ripped all of my DVDs onto iTunes and I easily sync them up to my iPad. I'm not sure your point has merit. I've got King Kong, Ikuru, and 40 Year-Old Virgin (a terrific, Slashdot-inspired documentary BTW) on there right now. The parent post is equally without merit, since Apple and all manner of 3rd party suppliers sell video out cables for both iPhone and iPad. Last time I went back to CT, I played Matrix on my mother's TV for her straight from my iPhone with this: Apple Composite AV Cable [apple.com]
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The problem is that it's not entirely legal in the US to format-shift the content you bought leased which is protected with any sort of encryption code (even if it's ROT-13) according to the DMCA. For the rest, QuickTime allows you to convert other digital media with nice presets for AppleTV, iPod Touch etc.
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Well except for those 100+ DVD's sitting under your TV that you now have to repurchase from iTunes?
Re:/. News Network (Score:5, Funny)
Also, will it have video-out capability yet? Or possibly video-in so I can use it to pretend I have a portable DVD player?
The very idea is heretical: A video-out capability would imply the existence of screens more perfect than the one Apple sees fit to include.
A video-in capability would imply the existence of things worth seeing that are not already in the app store.
Absurd to reason and dangerous to faith.
Re:/. News Network (Score:5, Informative)
The iPad 1 already has video-out: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A [apple.com]
It only works with certain apps, but you definitely can do presentations and such on a 50" screen, from your iPad.
Can also do AirPlay (Score:3)
You can do HD video out via AirPlay. There are open AirPlay servers for any computer, or you can use an AppleTV.
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Actually, no one in the world wonders, nor cares, why you don't use Apple products. The iPad can do HDMI-out.
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Also, will it have video-out capability yet? Or possibly video-in so I can use it to pretend I have a portable DVD player?
Get yourself Air Video [youtube.com], better than a video-in cable. It's one of those apps I can't live without.
Hopefully they will add AirPlay support once iOS 4.3 is out and allow for over the air video out, too. In the meantime, you can get video out cables [amazon.com] that plug in the one port. Why get more ports when one port can do it all? :P
Re:/. News Network (Score:5, Informative)
The iPad 1 already has video out. You just had to buy the necessary adapter [apple.com]. You could also use AirPlay.
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Well, sort of... it's very crippled. Look at all the reviews in the link you posted - the average score is only 2/5, because it does NOT simply output what's on your screen - only certain apps output certain things, and even some videos from iTunes will NOT go out. (Even though it's just analog VGA out in the first place!) I don't see the point paying for a shockingly overpriced $30 pigtail when there's no indication of when it will or won't work.
Maybe AirPlay isn't h
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You can already have video out from a number of apps; netflix, youtube, etc.
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it already had video out. Buy the same cable that you can already buy for an iPod which gives you the standard L/R/Video cables, and it works like a charm.
I watched movies from my hotel room on my last business trip using both my iPod and iPad as video sources.
The ability to do video out had been there since day one.
Re:/. News Network (Score:5, Informative)
A company well known for releasing new models of its products will release a new model of one of its newest products! Gasp!
A company notorious about being tightlipped on new stuff in development can't trust their Chinese partner company and gets scooped by the Grey Lady.
It's slashdot news-worthy.
The Gray Lady [wikipedia.org] typically refers to the New York Times. The Wall Street Journal is the Gray Lady's psychotic older sister.
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I used to do this with my iPod and a video out cable or my computer sometimes.
The thing is, these days most hotels lock you out of any kind of input on the TV, either you cant plug into the back or you cant switch inputs on the TV. Its been years since I have been in a room where I could do this.
Hotels would rather you bought your media from them.
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Stay at a Marriott.
From what I have seen, they have a box attached to the TV which will take video sources, your laptop. You name it.
They have an instruction sheet in the room, and I believe it is called "Plugged In" or something. On my last business trip, I was having problems, called down to the desk, and a technician was at my door in five minutes and got it working.
They made it about as easy as you could possibly get.
Re:/. News Network (Score:4, Informative)
You might be missing the point. Say he went to a hotel for a stay and wanted to watch something on his iPaid on the TV in the room without paying some silly $10 charge. Connect the cable and watch. Where is that modern, 21st century home digital network with the TV allowing you to use wireless to connect? Hint: It isn't there in the hotel.
How is that a coherent argument?
If you are at a hotel, you can use AirPlay just as you can at home, with an AppleTV. If the hotel TV doesn't have HDMI, you can use analog connections directly from the iPad. If the hotel TV doesn't have digital *or* analog connections, how is that a problem with the iPad?
And that's all within the very unusual circumstance of being in a hotel and wanting to hook video up to a TV. If that were the biggest problem with the iPad (that it for some reason couldn't video-out to hotel TVs) it would hardly be much of a thing to complain about for most people.
You are right, he might be missing the point. The point isn't that there's anything wrong with the iPad, the point is to just complain.
News flash! (Score:2)
Companies will often make many copies of a product before officially announcing it, so demand may be met after the announcement.
Given the extreme demand for Apple's excellent products in general, and the iPad in particular, it seems only plausible that production has already started.
Not a 2 (Score:2)
I wish people would stop calling it the iPad 2. Does Apple make a MacBook 2? An iMac 2? iPod touch 2? No, Apple generally doesn't number its products. It will probably be known as the 2011 iPad or informally as the iPad 2G (if you follow the iPod touch examples).
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I wish people would stop calling it the iPad 2. Does Apple make a MacBook 2? An iMac 2? iPod touch 2? No, Apple generally doesn't number its products. It will probably be known as the 2011 iPad or informally as the iPad 2G (if you follow the iPod touch examples).
Hmm, you realize they call the iPod Touch line "iPod Touch (Xth Generation)" with the X replaced by the version number?
Sure they don't put it in THEIR website, but every website and every keynote and every communication calls it Xth Generation. I hope they do give it a descriptive name, I recall one ALMOST accidentally buying a 2nd Gen iPod Touch because it was listed as the cheapest option among the 3rd Gen in their store. I luckily noticed the extremely weaker specs before I went for it.
I sort of wish
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Does Apple make a MacBook 2?
If only... it would be easier to track down information when needed if Apple did have some kind of basic numbering. Or even somewhat non-intuitive number like NVidia, but at least something to point at and say "it's laptop version such-and-such" rather than trying to remember exactly what year it was purchased.
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Actually Apple does give each hardware refresh a version number. In OS X you can see the version numbering by going to About This Mac and clicking on the More Info... button. Select the Hardware
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Not the iPhone either Oh, wait....
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You're absolutely right. There sure wasn't a / an:
Apple II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series)
Macintosh II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_II_series)
iPhone 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_4)
etc.
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I wish people would stop calling a certain OS "Windows 7". It identifies itself as Windows Vista 6.1.
Re:Not a 2 (Score:5, Insightful)
Actually the iPhone models were:
So, Apple has been all over the place with its naming "conventions".
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The iPhone is one product of Apple that's more the exception to the rest of their lineups. They don't label their desktop PCs, laptops, iPods, mice, displays, routers, nor servers in such a fashion.
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Or the Apple II or Apple III.
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That should be ][, //e, or //c, //e+, and IIgs.
Adding GT or GS the model name makes it sound "bad-ass" :-)
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Technically, it was the iPhone 3G, and 3GS. The iPhone 3G was actually the 2nd generation, and the 3GS was the 3rd. Thus, the iPhone 4 which is the 4th generation (but still 3G)
Why wait? (Score:2)
but we're pretty sure full production won't start until .. official launch keynote.
Why would they wait until the official launch to start full production? Don't they need to build up a significant stock by the shipping date?
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Ship straight from the factory warehouse. Why store it, move it store it and move it when you can just direct ship?
WSJ = Apple re-setting expectations (Score:2, Interesting)
WSJ gets leaked info directly from Apple. Given the quotes in the video, it seems like they're trying to lower people's expectations. One (maybe, but not for-sure, two) cameras, same resolution, higher specs otherwise. Everybody expects higher specs, but also dual cameras, higher-DPI display, and for it to fart unicorns and be made of unobtanium mined from Pandora.
Me? Gimme facetime so the little one can call her grandparents. That alone will sell an amazing amount. But I'd really like higher-DPI. An
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Make an exception to Jobs' anti-leak beliefs in order to "reset the expectations" of techies, while risking the Osborne effect [wikipedia.org] and suppressing demand for the current iPad? No way, dude. It's got to be an unofficial leak.
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and for it to fart unicorns
Please, it is not like an iPad can break the laws of physics. In order to get it to fart unicorns you first have to feed it smurfs - and good luck finding enough smurfs to make one unicorn.
and be made of unobtanium mined from Pandora
Now you're just being silly.... I heard they were going to use adamantium [wikipedia.org].
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The Pandora from Avatar or the Pandora from Borderlands? I'll take the Borderlands one because there's a chance the iPad will have a x4 fire elemental effect. Sweet!
Two things: (Score:2)
Oh, an
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Normally sober ? (Score:5, Funny)
The normally sober and sometimes accurate Wall Street Journal
Must not read the editorial page much.
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The normally sober and sometimes accurate Wall Street Journal
Must not read the editorial page much.
You must not understand the editorial page. /. is something to swear by?
And
I post this link every six months (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/ [misterbg.org]
It's continuously relevant.
It needs updating (Score:2)
Interesting assumption (Score:3)
Announcement != Production start (Score:2)
Apple, unlike pretty much every other major player in the consumer electronics/computer market, has a great track record of having products available to buy the day they're announced. The online Apple store always goes down on days when new products are announced so people can order stuff as soon as it's been presented.
Probably true... (Score:2)
"we're pretty sure full production won't start until Steve Jobs (or whoever will be donning the black turtleneck in his sickly stead) strides onto the stage at the official launch keynote"
Going by Apple's track record, they usually announce the product and allow you to buy it immediately from their website, to be delivered within a few days. If they had to manufacture the things, they'd make the announcement.... and then everyone would twiddle their thumbs for a few months, waiting for the damn thing.
I do
Steve Jobs scratches butt twice. It's a sign! (Score:2)
Still waiting for the ideal.... (Score:2)
Re:Still waiting for the ideal.... (Score:5, Interesting)
I hate to be yet another voice claiming great iPad battery life against your direct experience, but. . . seriously, did you have a defective unit or something? In my experience a few hours of reading won't even drop my battery gauge by more than a few percent. Hell a few hours of video isn't even a problem.
The only problem I ever have with battery life is when I want to completely drain it, as they say one should occasionally do. I think the damn thing harvests power from ambient radio waves.
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Upload to a website or email yourself the PDF then stick it in iBooks. Or are you thinking you want to plug in a USB cable and drag and drop a PDF onto your device. How...1990s.
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it's sounds like you just want an e-book. go buy a kindle, it's way cheaper and the battery lasts a lot longer.
(my wife bought a kindle about two years ago...she loved it and used it every day. she said it was awesome. one day she bought an iPad, but after that she still used the kindle most of the time. one day I pointed out that there's a kindle app for the iPad. she never used her kindle again. Oops!)
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The Kindle fails my purposes in other ways where the iPad actually wins. First and most notably, the Kindle is not color. Secondly, its not designed to respond to touch gestures. Third, the refresh rate is unacceptably slow and is too visually distracting when trying to quickly visually scan across multiple pages for particular information (which may be a diagram and not just text that can be searched for).
Of course, also there's the fact that the Kindle isn't a 14" unit, and to the can't display lett
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Show me a tablet with a letter-sized screen for reading papers or books formatted for that size without having to pan or zoom (14" diagonal), one that can have user content (in particular, pdf's) uploaded to it easily, and one that can *ACTUALLY* be used in a modestly interactive way (such as book reading) for more than a few hours at a time without having to be plugged in (I've heard some of the claims about iPad battery life being really good, but I haven't found them to be true in my experience with the unit).
Have you given the Kindle DX a try? It sounds like it has the capabilities and form factor that you are looking for.
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You mean, like the kindle? OK, it's not 14" diagonal but everything else fits, and it is a pleasure to use.
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Re:Still waiting for the ideal.... (Score:4, Informative)
Wow... (Score:2)
The normally sober and sometimes accurate Wall Street Journal...
I don't think you fully appreciate the amazing levels of hypocrisy and outright lack of awareness involved in posting that on a site like Slashdot. This is, after all, the site where it's entirely possible to have 100 comments on a story before anyone posts a rebuttal/explanation that total invalidates all prior comments with two sentences that come straight from reading the article.
Dog bites man (Score:2)
How is this news? Apple tends to stick to annual release schedules. iPad launched in April. April is now 2 months away. Breaking news! Product in production two months before it goes on sale!
The only news would be if the iPad2 WASN'T in production already.
Still 10" (Score:2)
Am I the only one who wants a 12"?
Man, that came out wrong.
12" screen, that is.
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Hmmm.... thats why you call yourself Quiet_Desperation
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Damn them. (Score:2)
I fear I shall purchase such a device. My annual bonus shall be distributed soon and the peer pressure is great. We are working with iPads in the office, and I have a fantasy of using such a device as a gaming (board/tabletop RPG) aid (I recognize I will need to do some of my own development)... Oh, the gadget-goodness, it burns...
Of course, my employer will probably provide me with one, in which case, I can save some money...
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Does this really suprise anyone? (Score:2)
Is it news? (Score:2)
Here is how to know there is one in the works (Score:3)
The iPad is a success.
Really, it's not even a tiny leap to think they will make another iPad.
You know what else is in the works? a new iPhone.
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That would be so fantastic! I would never need to buy a notebook again!
How many years did it take Apple to release a mouse that allowed "Right-Click"? Jobs though multiple buttons on the mouse would be too confusing. CMD-Click is so much simpler.
The iPad will never have a stylus.
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How many years did it take Apple to release a mouse that allowed "Right-Click"?
Apple Mighty Mouse came out in 2005.
But Mac OS 8 came out in 1997. Worked just fine with 2 button mice.
How many things in some Unix/Windows programs force you to right click to get to something? By making the least common denominator no right click, it forces UI designers to make a good design for someone who may not know how to right click.
Re:Not know how to right click (Score:2)
Ya'know,
This might be the only piece of The Newbie Experience I have no patience making policy over. I have taught a couple of brand new users very successfully with the catchphrase "when in doubt, right click and see what shows up". It's like a treasure chest of goodies.
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The OS supported it for years (since OS8, I think) while people like you went on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on about it, and Mac users stared at you in puzzlement as they just used their Microsoft Intellimouse or some other third party mouse or trackball or whatever floated their boat. I had a four button mouse back in the OS6 days.
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There are several to be had on amazon. Depending on the stylus and software, it's pretty close to using a regular pencil on paper.
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Re:Please have a real stylus. (Score:4, Funny)
I wonder if one could find a stylus on Amazon?