Woz Misquoted About Android Dominating iOS 251
bonch writes "Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak's quote that Android would dominate over iOS was widely covered by the tech press, but after seeking clarification, Engadget reports that Wozniak was misquoted by Dutch paper De Telegraaf. 'Almost every app that I have is better on the iPhone,' says Woz, claiming that he would never say that Android was better than iOS. 'I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination. But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy.' Woz has an Engadget account and has posted further comments to the linked article."
News at 11 (Score:5, Funny)
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The title of the linked article is "Dell Mobile Is Gone, a Victim of Incompetence".
So, no, it didn't. It was killed by incompetence. As per the article. That you fucking linked to.
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Clearly the problem is they pay people who fail to perform 8 million dollars. I would be willing to fail at that job for 3 million dollars.
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Heck, for two million, I'll even fail to show up for work! Top that!
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For 150K less than him I'll shit on your doorstep. For only 100K less than him I'll shit on someone else's.
Re:News at 11 (Score:4, Informative)
Y'all are bargaining in the wrong direction. For only 16 million a year I'd take the Microsoft CEO gig and I can guarantee a 20% stock price bump my first 90 days or it's free. That's an extra $44B in market cap in three months. Shucks, I wouldn't even have to show up to deliver that. I could deliver that in a drunken stupor on the set of Girls Gone Wild just because my name is not Steve. I could have a lot of fun screwing around while doing that. It's a hell of a deal at twice the price.
Oh I'd want the usual platinum parachute and stock options too - just because working for the Beast of Redmond is so unsavory and there isn't enough money to make me do it for more than a year. I'm sure I could convince them to get rid of me in 12 months or so.
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When can you start?
Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (Score:2, Funny)
This is proven daily by Microsoft.
In fact, I suspect that could be applied to an incredible number of consumer products and politicians.
Re:Greater marketshare and still be Crappy (Score:4, Informative)
Indeed. BTW, this Slashdot story misquotes Woz too. He did say that Android would likely dominate. What he was misquoted about was the quality of Android vs. iOS. He said he prefers iOS apps over Android apps but he thinks Android as an OS will likely dominate over time.
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Indeed. BTW, this Slashdot story misquotes Woz too. He did say that Android would likely dominate. What he was misquoted about was the quality of Android vs. iOS. He said he prefers iOS apps over Android apps but he thinks Android as an OS will likely dominate over time.
You're sugar coating it. He said
"Android phones have more features,"
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"Almost every app I have is better on the iPhone."
and he expects Android
"to be a lot like Windows... I'm not trying to put Android down, but I'm not suggesting it's better than iOS by any stretch of the imagination. But it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy."
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I believe that these days Toyota is the number 1 car manufacturer in the world. Of course, even if their brake problems have been overblown in some cases by people looking for an excuse for their bad driving skills, their recent quality record is not exactly spotless.
You might say they are a runaway success.
Throne? (Score:2)
Ha (Score:5, Insightful)
"I'm not trying to put Android down, but... it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy."
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Did he say anything else the first time he was quoted? It's true, he NEVER said that Android was or ever would be better, just that it would become dominant.
Windows is dominant in PC OS market share, but is it better than OS X? For me personally, yes (just like Android is much better than iOS for my taste), but it's definitely not a question that can be answered objectively.
Same thing here - Wozzy admits that openness and variety will always trump a closed off controlled system, but is still of the opinion
One way to clear this up (Score:2)
Apple vs. Android. (Score:5, Interesting)
Is exactly the same battle as Apple vs. Microsoft a decade ago. And Apple will lose again for the same reasons: Inflated price, locked platform, and developer exclusion. Woz sees the obvious. Jobs apparently does not.
Re:Apple vs. Android. (Score:5, Interesting)
Is Apple losing? Apple's in a really great spot - they're raking in cash. So is Microsoft, except that Apple is moving far less units than Dell, HP, Acer and other hardware manufacturers, so their actual costs per sale is lower and margins are higher.
They also only have 2 iPhone models out that's outselling individual Android phones out there. The only reason Android phones are "winning" is the sheer number of models of Android phones out there. They also rake in close to 50% of mobile industry profits, despite only having anywhere from 1-2% total mobile marketshare. All the other bigger companies (LG, Samsung, Nokia, RIM) are scrapping over the remaining half, despite accounting for over 90% of units shipped.
Yeah, Apple is losing. Apple's not participating in the race to the bottom, instead letting Dell, HP, Acer, HTC, Samsung, LG, Nokia compete against each other driving their margins and profits down.
Apple in 10 years? Well, I don't know. Just like I don't know where Microsoft willb e in 10 years. Or what Android will be in 10 years. Hell, in the past 10 years, we saw the rise and fall of PalmOS, and the rise and fall of Windows Mobile. Symbian's a bit longer lived. Android and iOS may not even exist in the next 5 years.
Re:Apple vs. Android. (Score:4, Funny)
Apple's mistake the first time around was sacrificing software sales to spur high margin hardware sales. That was a huge mistake because as Microsoft proved the real money was in the software. This time though the opponent is giving away their software for free and there's no way iOS can beat that for market share. Even if Apple did open iOS to other phones it wouldn't help. The whole locked platform/developer exclusion is just pure idiocy though. That part isn't making them any money at all.
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And Apple will lose again...
If Apple is losing, please sign me up to be a loser like them...
Hint: "Winning" isn't necessarily measured by market share.
Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (Score:2)
Who cares, really, whether a phone is running Android or iOS or Symbian or Wee-Go or whatever embedded OS?
The underlying OS is irrelevant.
It's the user interface that counts. That and only that. The underlying OS just has to be good enough, that's all. That's what made Windows win over other OSes. And that's what's making iOS so popular at the moment in the phone world.
Most people don't care which OS it's really running. They care what you can do with it, and how easy this can be done. That's it, and tha
Re:Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (Score:4, Interesting)
You're from US?
Welcome to the free world - over here (Hong Kong) we have plans, usually no contracts. Discounts on phones (for those who opt for it) are given in the form of pre-payment and discount later on your monthly bills.
Phones and plans are not much related. Sim cards are freely exchangeable, and you can switch easily between carriers (it takes only a few days to port over your number).
And yes Hong Kong people are known to buy, on average, a new phone every six months. Crazy I agree, but that's the reality. After all, you don't want to be seen with the previous generation iPhone, do you?
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Re:Who cares about iOS or Android, really? (Score:5, Informative)
Very much, it's the free world. Not sure whether you're trolling or not but some explanation appears to be in place.
If you think it is the same as China, think again. It belongs politically to China but for the rest in practice it's more like an independent country.
Hong Kong is one of the free-est countries in the world, ranking nr. 1 in the Heritage Foundation list for economic freedom (this compared to the US which comes in at nr 8).
It's a free port, little restrictions to capital flow with a freely convertible currency, open immigration policy, with a government that is maybe even more pro-business than the US is (and yes that government is a major problem but luckily it stays mostly out of the way). Hong Kong also has press freedom (a decent nr. 34 on the Reporters without Borders 2010 list - China is near the bottom on nr 171).
It's also a place with a strong rule of law and a fair, highly respected justice system and police, and one of the lowest corruption rates in the world, ranking 15th on the "corruption perception index 2010", two places higher than the US.
Furthermore Hong Kong is slowly but surely moving towards full democracy, so that government thingy will be solved too. Freedom of press is also being protected furiously - remember 2003 when about half a million people (or a full 7% of the total population!) went to the streets to protect those freedoms.
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I replied, so that perhaps your eyes (and your fellow country men & women) are opened, and you don't believe the propaganda,
I live in the place; am not a native; and am like many around me highly critical of both the Hong Kong and central government.
corruption *perception* not sure how it's measured, but I presume it's not the same as actual corruption rates,
Agreed. However Hong Kong is worldwide considered as a really clean city when it comes to corruption; largely thanks to the great work done by the ICAC.
How does Hong Kong rank for democratically elected government, how does it rank in freedom of speech, freedom of press?, civil liberty?
Press freedom, as I wrote already, is nr 34 in the world. Not great, but not bad at all too. And it's defended vigorously. I have yet to hear about someone put behind bars for saying something the government doesn't like. And I hear s
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Sorry previous one went wrong; now with paragraph breaks!
Very much, it's the free world. Not sure whether you're trolling or not but some explanation appears to be in place.
If you think it is the same as China, think again. It belongs politically to China but for the rest in practice it's more like an independent country.
Hong Kong is one of the free-est countries in the world, ranking nr. 1 in the Heritage Foundation list for economic freedom (this compared to the US which comes in at nr 8).
It's a f
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How do you see Hong Kong going towards a democracy when they are now part of China? Why would the PRC give up control of what they consider they own?
I doubt that Hong Kong is going towards a democracy, but is rather being slowly assimilated back into the PRC. As soon as China took over voting was the first thing they pulled. Also, children there are now being taught Mandarin in schools. It'll probably be a lot like Shanghai in 10 years.
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really starting to risk off-topic mods here :)
Anyway:
1) it is written in the Basic Law (called a mini-constitution) that Hong Kong will move to direct election of the Chief Executive (head of the SAR government) and legislative council (think UK lower house). That was a "parting gift" of the colonial government, making it a legal requirement.
2) the discussion is going on, and constitutional reform is taking place, albeit slowly. Talk is now for 2017/2020 to have direct elections.
3) Hong Kong can keep it
Android is not crap (Score:2)
Android of course is not crappy but it is no competitor yet to the iphone. The device fragmentation is horrific yet, hopefully at some point that will work itself out. My roommate has a droid myself the iphone she is constantly fighting the more difficult to navigate interface. She is not a techno junkie and finds it much more difficult to work with due to the additional flexibility in the interface. The other issue is performance, the performance is just not there running mainly jvm code. Hopefully at some
It's not about your apps on IOS (Score:3)
I believe the apps you have may be better than their Android counterparts. But it's all about apps you don't have.
I'm typing this on a tram from a netbook tethered to my Android phone. How good is your tethering app?
When I browse from the phone, I see clean web due to adblock. How good is your adblock?
If I want my phone to last over a week, I downclock the CPU to 1/4 the original speed and disable all peripherials except GSM radio. It's still usable as a phone. How good is your overclocking/downclocking app?
Oh, and I have some shell scripts to do some work-related calculations. Good luck with your programming languages on your phone.
Re:It's not about your apps on IOS (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm typing this on a tram from a netbook tethered to my Android phone. How good is your tethering app?
I am typing this directly on my iPhone, why do I need to carry another computer with me? Without carrying a PC, why should I care how good/bad is my tethering app?
I don't see any flash ads at all, why do I need another ad-block app? I have no intention of writing programs on my phone, why should I care why programming tools are there? I have an external battery to carry, and I have iPhone charger in my car, why would I want to mess with my phone's clock speed? You sounded just like the Linux fans of old who keep telling windows users how great it is that he can compile the kernel while doing other things! Yeah, but why do we need to keep recompiling the kernel?
This is the problem with you Android fans, you guys keep insisting that iPhone users are missing out this feature and that function, when in fact, this are what iPhone users have already looked and determined that we do not want or do not need them!
Is it so hard to understand that not everyone uses their phone like you do? Nor will we ever want to?
How about you guys learn to respect the choice other people made and stop evangelize your platform whenever iPhones are mentioned?
De Telegraaf is a glossy-meets-newspaper. (Score:3, Informative)
"De Telegraaf" interviewed him? No wonder.. they are not thrustworthy in my oppinion.
De Telegraaf is a glossy magazine in newspaper format. Its mostly about what A said about B, what B thinks about this, and what the newspaper speculates C has to do with it.
It also recently bought Hyves.nl, the dutch Facebook.com. Not sure why.
It has the worst page layout i've ever seen in a newspaper. I recon each issue contains every font known to man, in all font sizes upto 3cm, and tries to apply every font style and linespacing imaginable.
It often posts bullshit stories only to rectify them the day after -with another huge headline- as if its the news itself. Just like American newschannels do.
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opinion, sorry.
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And losing marketshare everyday.
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and like most royalty, it's ugly, inbred, useless and long past it's time.
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And yet has gone down from over 60% to barely over 40% in only around 2 years.
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Symbian is sitting comfortably on his throne [zdnet.com]
Symbian may be king in Europe but not so much in North America, which represents a market with far more people-per-language.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:5, Interesting)
AAPL was up about $8 this morning before Engadget posted the correction. Dutch commenters on Engadget have equated the Dutch paper doing the quoting with the UK's The Sun or The National Enquirer in the US.
Me, I just remember the numerous times I've been interviewed or quoted by publications, or read a report about something that I witnessed. Almost without fail I'll be misquoted at some point (usually not horribly, but it's certainly not exactly what I said), and the report of what I witnessed gets something wrong. So I'm more willing to believe that a paper with a less-than-stellar reputation got it wrong rather than spin off into some conspiracy theory.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:4, Insightful)
That was supposed to be a joke, I highly doubt anyone who trades stocks even notices what The Woz says.
AAPL's current price is yet another sign the stock market makes no damn sense.
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Sorry, I spent far too many minutes than were healthy skimming through the Engadget comments shortly before heading over to /.. Some of those folks weren't kidding when saying similar things. But, yes, it is Engadget after all.
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Amazon is still recouping it's costs. It's not as profitable as it can be. That said 60 times is still fairly speculative.
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I'm Dutch and I concur. Comparing De Telegraaf to The Sun feels about right. I won't comment about this incident, but De Telegraaf is not known for being nonpartisan and rigorous, to put it nicely.
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Dutch commenters on Engadget have equated the Dutch paper doing the quoting with the UK's The Sun or The National Enquirer in the US.
Then where are the titties [wikipedia.org]???
It would be more accurate to compare the telegraaf to Fox News: one ultra conservative 800 lb gorilla in a jungle of moderate or liberal silk monkeys.
No, not really (Score:5, Interesting)
"De Telegraaf" is not that right-wing. THAT would be a political view. Its view of the world is more "against". Not against left or right, just against. Immigrants? Against. Deporting immigrants? Against. Restrictions on immigrants? Against.
It will one day warn of the risks of 2nd hand smoke, then next day run an article that bans on smoking are bad. If anything the Telegraaf is the Teaparty. They don't have any ideas, they just know everyone elses ideas suck.
The Sun and Fox News have very clear political agenda's. When The Sun backed Labour this was clear throughout its pages. De Telegraaf isn't clear on a single page. That makes it far harder to deal with. How do you deal with a newspaper and its audience that in one paper can argue against a powerplant being build in an area AND argue that we got to cut through this red tape and get powerplants build? Impossible. It is the ultimate NIMBY newspaper.
All the other newspapers in Holland however are just as unclear. For instance shouldn't the Volkskrant (left) be more worried about the effects of immigrants on wages? Shouldn't Elsevier (right) be more honest about business demand for cheap immigrant labour?
That is the real reason The Telegraaf is so hated (and the most read), it is sure to upset everyone, except its readers.
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You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.
Sure, you could try the same trick on Android, but even though there are more Android phones sold now, Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent. App Store coders like me certainly won't miss the competition, anyway, so yeah, stick to your plan of not developing for the iOS. That's the best advice I can give you.
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Who said I was doing any of this for the love of money? I do have a day job.
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Who said I was doing any of this for the love of money? I do have a day job.
You would not need that job if you were making money playing your cards right, while enjoying dong what you do. Not sure if you actually have checked or just are basing yourself off all the /. noise, but Apple rarely rejects apps. The few that get rejected love to make a lot of noise.
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I do love my day job, why else would I do it?
I use a lot of FREE(libre) software both and home and at work I have no plans to write any software for a mobile platform that is not FREE.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:4, Insightful)
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I've yet to see anything even resembling a good analysi
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but that doesn't mean people who buy lottery tickets aren't morons
Actually, they are. Buying a lottery ticket with monetary gains in mind means you fail basic math.
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Read your linked article again. It's ridiculous.
The development cost for most iPhone developers is $99. They aren't quitting their day jobs in order to slave over XCode all day - they are banging these apps out in their spare time.
As the AC said, the author of the linked article has an obvious agenda - to steer people away from iPhone app development, and then he proceeds to put together a bunch of tangled assertions which supposedly support his agenda.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:5, Informative)
You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.
Sure, you could try the same trick on Android, but even though there are more Android phones sold now, Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent. App Store coders like me certainly won't miss the competition, anyway, so yeah, stick to your plan of not developing for the iOS. That's the best advice I can give you.
Don't forget about the headaches that come with programming for the platform. Angry Birds developers also have come out to say, in many words and with a lot of cact, [rovio.com] what a headache it is to develop for the fragmented hardware platform.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:4, Interesting)
Yet, that's a Rovio specific problem, because other games which are far more resource intensive are developed for Android just fine without facing such issues.
The problem is almost certainly that Rovio tried to pull of a lazy port, and rather than rewrite specifically for Android, likely pulled across a bunch of C code from the other platforms they initially wrote for and interfaced using the NDK. This means you need a higher spec on average than on the original platform to achieve the same performance results, and that if you haven't taken advantage of the available abstraction layers, then you're bound to face unpredictable results. This is how things like SCUMM were ported across- sure it was done quickly, but the end result isn't very good.
This is similar to the problems that even single hardware platform devices have faced with ports in the past such as the PS3- on release many PS3 games were poor ports of the XBox 360 version, and it wasn't because the PS3 couldn't cope, it was merely because they'd been ported over in the fastest, cheapest way possible, without care for the fact that'll make it a second rate product on that platform.
So effectively you're conflating the issue of Android development with the problems caused by a poor porting process by using Angry Birds as your example. These are two different issues, and in mixing them up as you have, you've made out the issue of fragmentation to be more of a problem than it really is. There's really no reason developing for Android has to be any more problematic than dealing with the fragmentation with Apple's platforms- screen resolution differences between the iPhone 4, iPad and other devices, OS differences between the iPhone, iPad, and iPhone 3G/3Gs/4, differences in processing power across devices, and differences in available hardware between devices.
If you think programming for Android and dealing with fragmentation causes headaches, you've clearly never developed for any platform over any period of time. Fragmentation exists on every platform designed to last more than a generation be it Android, Windows, iOS. Exceptions would be things like the PS3 or Wii or XBox 360 where they are only designed to last a generation but even here if you develop a game designed to be released on more than one of these systems you face the fragmentation problem.
Fragmentation is something for non-programmers, inexperienced programmers and trolls to whinge about. For skilled, professional developers, it's a fact of life you've long learnt to deal with because it's merely the price of progress, the only alternative is to simply use a platform that never progresses and rapidly becomes outdated, something which Apple, despite holding out on what quickly became an abysmally low screen resolution of the iPhone compared to the industry standard all the way up until the 3GS finally accepted is a bad idea unless you want to be seen to have a product that sucks.
It's a shame people like you who are clearly inexperienced at software development keep parroting this myth, because it sounds so dumb to those of us who do know the topic, and do know what we're on about. It's also why it's not scared people off Android and why Android is powering ahead in terms of developer numbers and handset sales, because people who do know what they're on about know that the fragmentation argument is little more than a troll made by people who simply don't know what they are talking about.
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There are basically only three platforms: old iPhone / iPod Touch, retina iPhone / iPod Touch, iPad.
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There are not very many words there (not much of a reader, are you?) and they do not say anything about a headache.
The article has 430 words, and it can be summarized in "we can't support all Android units.
Also, from the link:
With our latest update, we worked hard to bring Angry Birds to even more Android devices. Despite our efforts, we were unsuccessful in delivering optimal performance.
I don't know you, but with my basic knowledge of slang, I'd call a headache anything I worked hard to do and despite all my efforts I found myself unsuccessful at doing it.
They do whine about their game not running on older, slower devices. Guess what? You have precisely the same problem on iOS devices, where your app will behave differently on iPhone, iPhone 3GS, older iPod touch, newer iPod touch, and iPad.
You do realize that they list newer hardware in the article (like the TMobile G2) and that Angry Birds runs flawlessly smooth in first generation iPhones despite those units only having 412mhz chips? Same game. Slower hardware
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Got that right I am perfectly happy to code for iOS and sell on the app store.
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Apple's App Store accounts for 92% of the cell phone application store bucks spent.
Moreover, Apple's App Store accounts for 100% of the portable media player application store bucks spent. Google has been slow to open Android Market to devices that aren't telephones, such as Android-based media players, leaving iPod touch as the only portable media player with a well-known application store.
Re:Founder of Apple realizes what he said (Score:5, Insightful)
You know a lot of people have turned the price of a Mac and their $99 Developer Program expenses into a shit ton of cash.
Far less than the number of people who have turned the price of a Windows license and a MSDN subscription into a shit ton of cash, I assure you. After all, corporations pay a lot better than hipsters.
Wrong, many fewer well-off Windows developers (Score:2)
Far less than the number of people who have turned the price of a Windows license and a MSDN subscription into a shit ton of cash, I assure you.
And you base that one what?
The fact is that many, many IOS developers have made a reasonable sum of money. Some may not yet make enough to do that full time, but it's good supplimental income.
In order for your statement to have any truth whatsoever, there would have to be THOUSANDS of very successful Windows indie apps. Are there really? Or is the truth that one
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Actually I would bet good money that most people who buy a MSDN license never renew it after their first year, and that most people coding for Windows never make a damn dime on their own time.
Sure they are getting paid "going rate" for a .NET coder, which these days is about $15 / hour, but there isn't even the slightest chance they will hit paydirt. Even if they have a great idea for a new program, and do all the work themselves, the guys on the corporate board will take home most of that cash.
So, in the
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What I don't understand is where this myth that there are more android phones sold even than iPhones came from, and certainly not than iOS devices in total.
Roughly in the last quarter:
Android phones: 10 million
iPhones: 14 million
iOS devices: 29 million
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The complaints about the RIAA et al, are because the figures are reversed - for every dollar spent, the lion's share goes to them for "promotion, distribution, A&R and recouping investment" while a tiny slice goes to the artist. Apple's cut is the small share, and covers hosting, distribution and a small fee. Apple aren't making hay on the app store in software sales - the cost covers the expenditure, with a little left over. The RIAA, on the other hand, takes the bulk and says "be happy for it".
Apple's
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In all fairness, I don't think anyone doubt that Android will outpace the iPhone. I mean, 5 major phone manufacturers all produces Android smartphones at a pace of 5/year each and with one thing in mind: bring the iPhone down. Of course, 50 handets to 1, they will collectively win.
That said, I don't foresee very clearly the time when the iPhone will be outsold by ONE handset.
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I don't know, I consider having the vendor insist on controlling what I do to be pretty crappy.
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Oh even the handset vendors. Motorola sure likes to keep handsets locked down. And only the G1 and Nexus One allowed root access without finding local exploits.
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Err, I'm referring to the ADK1 I guess, whatever version Google sold directly. I just dodged the whole mess and bought an N900.
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I only look at the dirty pictures.
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Fark or sites like it have far better trolls.
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Not me any more!
I am no longer going to just blindly click on whatever Slashdot links to. If it sounds interesting I will google or wikipedia for it.
Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (Score:4, Insightful)
So Engadget is the third-rate PR web site in this case? I hate to burst your bubble, but Engadget gets 4x the visitors that slashdot does, 2 million vs 500k, [compete.com] so really we're the third-rate website
Also slashdot stories are user submitted, so it only makes sense that their would be links to stories written by writers that (hopefully) do research.
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If engadget is third-rate, then slashdot is fourth at best.
Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (Score:5, Insightful)
from the comments, most engadget readers (and I'm one but I digress) are pro-sumers at best and often sound like high schoolers fighting over whose gadget is coolest. You don't seem to get any actual techs or engineers (at least those of us there are smart enough to keep our mouth shut since the SNR is so darned high) unlike here where you can (sometimes) get engaged in interesting discussions on the real technical specifics.
Re:Slashdot is just driving traffic to worthless s (Score:5, Insightful)
This is so true. A comment here has no credibility in and of itself but there WILL be serious physicists posting on a physics story here. The same with any other scientific, technical, or engineering article.
There is plenty of hyperbole posted. When I read a hyperbole headline a glance at the comments will usually reveal how and why the article/summary isn't what it seemed within 5-10 lines.
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Unfortunately it still doesn't seem to work. I've seen plenty of articles where I am reasonably knowledgeable about the subject (either having worked in that area or because it is my product!) and yet there are plenty of uninformed comments which are then voted up by uninformed moderators.
I've tried pos
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Lol point taken
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Traffic does not make a site first rate, in my book. Engadget is a shitty site filled with useless advertainment. So what if more people click on it per day.
Popular Science has a bigger circulation than the American Physical Society journal. That does not make Popular Science "better" although it is certainly more profitable.
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Sheer numbers don't say anything about your quality. Being read by a small part of general public, while bigger in absolute numbers, means you are less relevant than something read by a significant portion of sysadmins/programmers/etc.
Or, are you going to say the likes of People or Cosmo are suddenly of higher quality than any of the above?
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He actually didn't.
If you re-read TFS, he just said that popularity doesn't imply quality, and he thinks the iPhone is better.
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If you re-read TFS, he just said that popularity doesn't imply quality, and he thinks the iPhone is better.
Or TFA:
[android] can get greater marketshare and still be crappy
Listen I own android and openmoko phones. I am developing for both. A guy I works with develops for iOS and was impressed with the simplicity of the code written for android. Woz's implication about android is unfair. Its a shame because he otherwise has a reputation as a guy who will say it as it is.
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Oh, for crying out loud. It can have greater marketshare and still be crappy. It was a point about quantity versus quality, and he said it with Windows in mind.
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Its a shame because he otherwise has a reputation as a guy who will say it as it is.
I see what you did there with 'otherwise'.
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It says right in the summary, in a direct quote from Woz, that he wasn't putting down Android. He simply said that something can have greater marketshare and still be crappy. Don't act like such a reactionary fanboy.
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Just like Apple fanboys "re-crafting" information in order to try and make it as if Wozniak said Android was crap, you mean?
The zealots on both sides are pretty goddamned dishonest, as are zealots everywhere. Don't just put the blame only on one side, or you'll look like you belong to the opposite camp.
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The opposite happens often as well, though. Hater's gonna hate, but fanboy is going to whiteknight over everything as well.
I personally have nothing against Apple, but I can't afford their products, and you can't go anywhere without hearing Apple this Apple that since the iphone came out. Sure it might be relevant tech news but it's getting monothematic.