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Did the Windows Phone 7 Bomb In the US? 609

Thorfinn.au writes "Microsoft's new smartphone platform is off to what could be considered a slower start than expected in North America. That's according to The Street, which has released a report saying that the company sold some 40,000 units on its first day on the market. Early sales numbers from other phone platform launches include Apple's estimated 500,000 iPhones being snatched up during its launch weekend in 2007, and a million and a half G1 Android phones being bought up by T-Mobile subscribers in the phone's first six months." Do you know anyone with one of these phones? Me either.
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Did the Windows Phone 7 Bomb In the US?

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  • Me either. (Score:3, Informative)

    by Threni ( 635302 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @09:50AM (#34195540)


  • Not enough units (Score:5, Informative)

    by TheBiGW ( 982686 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @09:55AM (#34195582)
    Apparently most stores only got 10 or so units and they sold out immediately. Pretty hard to sell more units of something if you don't have the stock.
  • by drinkypoo ( 153816 ) <martin.espinoza@gmail.com> on Thursday November 11, 2010 @09:56AM (#34195598) Homepage Journal

    There's the XBOX, they make money of their servers and related products, and they do a lot of business with various products and services related to Exchange.

    The Xbox is not remotely profitable. The entertainment division has been a hole down which money was flushed until extremely recently. It may not be a bleeding hemorrhage any more, however.

  • by delire ( 809063 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @09:57AM (#34195602)
    I have an N900, run GNU/Linux at both home and work and will probably by an HTC Android phone sooner than later. Nonetheless the UI on the Windows Phone 7 looks pretty lovely to me. I think MS has done a fine job.

    The question these days of course is not what the phone can do OOTB, but what you can install on it later. AFAIK there isn't much of an 'app ecosystem' for the platform. They're also charging device manufacturers a license fee to ship with the OS, which isn't smart in a world rapidly flowing with Android phones. I wouldn't ring the death bell just yet though - it seems the market's changing pretty fast with the iPhone losing it's fashionable appeal here in the EU now that road-workers, plumbers and unemployed single fathers have the things.

    Market differentiation allows for consumer individuation - something Apple's aesthetic homogeneity, doesn't offer. Think Similar (TM).
  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @10:11AM (#34195770)

    Well a few things to put into perspective. 40,000 is the reported number by a third party. That number may not be correct. The actual number may be higher or lower.

    The second thing is that the G1 was one model from one manufacturer. By reports, there were 9 WP7 phones from several different manufacturers. Initially there were reports that some places were "sold out". If the number is correct then there was not a large initial supply. With 9 different models, it's hard to believe the manufacturers released less than 6,000 units per model.

    The discrepancy might be that MS has reserved one for every one of its employees. So that 90,000 additional and may have created an artificial scarcity not driven by consumer demand.

  • My buying experience (Score:5, Informative)

    by plasmana ( 984377 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @10:14AM (#34195806)
    I arrived at AT&T 10 minutes after they opened and they were sold out the 4 phones they had. I was the first person to get on the waiting list. There were 5 people behind me waiting to get on the list. They did receive one more phone that day and I got it. I suspect the demand was higher that day than the available inventory. As for the phone, I love it. Showed it to my wife and kids (14 & 16). The kids raved about it, and my wife (not a technology nerd) was surprised she like it so much versus her iPhone (3G). The UI is very slick, usable and responsive. This is not your typical Microsoft version 1 product. It feels a lot more like it came from a first class consumer electronics company than a business software company.
  • by Andy Dodd ( 701 ) <atd7.cornell@edu> on Thursday November 11, 2010 @10:44AM (#34196118) Homepage

    WM5/WM6 didn't really have significant lockdown, but as I understand it, the differences are:
    WP7 - Adds a shiny UI
    WP7 - Removes quite a few features/capabilities present in WM5/WM6 (see above regarding encrypted Exchange connections as an example)
    WP7 - Adds iPhone-style lockdown
    WP7 - Removes cut and paste (present in 5/6)
    WP7 - Removes multitasking (present in 5/6)

    The question is - how much of this crippling was an intentional design decision, and how much of it is Microsoft pulling a KDE 4?

  • by lwright84 ( 1250820 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @10:58AM (#34196278)
    We have two (Samsung Focus and HTC Surround on AT&T) that we purchased for testing. Both devices are slick, smooth, and fully-featured. The Exchange integration is easily the best available, even ousting Touchdown for Android. The ability to not only view but edit Office documents is also huge. The UI is very intuitive and the functionality of launch features like Social apps integration and the music player are working great. Sure it has its flaws.. not being able to connect to WiFi that uses a hidden SSID for example... but people seem to have terribly selective memories when it comes to the the early days of their now-favorite mobile platforms. This is easily the best, smoothest, and most well-rounded launch of any mobile platform (unified or open) to date. Should Microsoft have waited just a bit longer to make sure they didnt make some of the same mistakes that they criticized other manufacturers for (e.g. no cut, copy, paste, or true multitasking)? Absolutely. But at least they learned somewhat and launched with a road map for integrating those features within the next 3 months. WP7 pushes the industry in a number of ways, and I look forward to seeing it improve and forcing the the other two to stay on their toes. I, for one, welcome (back) our former mobile overlords.
  • Re:Not enough units (Score:3, Informative)

    by spd_rcr ( 537511 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @11:02AM (#34196312) Homepage

    We bought my wife's at Costco, where they were only given 5 of the Samsung Focus' for launch and we stood in line to get it. Costco is definitely the place to buy one 'tho, best prices, they waive the activation fees, and throw in some extras (mostly junk, but it did include a car charger).
    I'm just itching to see what the second round of hardware is going to offer, but after watching my wife play with hers for the last 3 days, I'm definitely trading in my iphone, the ads to not do the phone justice. I'm not a big microsoft fanboy, but I really hate getting lumped in with the turtle-neck-wearing holier-than-'tho douchebags every time I pull out my iphone.

  • by UnknowingFool ( 672806 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @11:08AM (#34196384)
    No, WP7 is not backwards compatible. WP7 has also followed Apple's walled garden approach in that you must get your apps (all brand new) from MS Zune Marketplace in this case. WP7 is focused heavily on the consumer market of smart phones and lacks many enterprise features like on-device encryption, static IP, remote wipe, etc.
  • by MemoryDragon ( 544441 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @11:17AM (#34196470)

    I will bother, because it is a fact that mobile ie in Windows mobile 7 is in the core an ie7 with some bugfixing backports from ie8, so slightly better than ie7 but worse than ie8 with probably a different error behavior in many issues between both versions. And I am not making this up, this is the official statement from Microsoft!
    Believe it or not but you can read that up in the blogs of Microsofts mobile division!
    Microsoft has done that in the past as well, mobile ie 6.5 was in fact an ie 5.5 engine with some ie6 backports, needless to say this browser was a desaster bugwise, different bugs than both ie 5.5 and ie6 with some carried over from ie6 and some from 5.5 and add to that a bunch of its own bugs.

  • by Bad Mamba Jamba ( 941082 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @11:34AM (#34196676)
    I own one of those 40k units - a Samsung Focus to be specific. I've waited a year for MS to get Win7 out so I could compare iOS, Android, and Win7 before upgrading my phone. I have to say, after 2 days so far I love Win7. I will also say that feature wise it is still behind iOS and Android on some pretty basic features. More on that in a sec.

    We all have different needs and wants from our devices so to help you understand my angle; I am an occasional business traveler who enjoys being connected to email, can access maps and driving directions, restaurant and business information nearby, read various Office documents, and generally stay in touch. I am also a hobby programmer and enjoy writing little utility apps for my personal use. I am not a heavy app downloader - my iPhone had all of 20 installed apps. I am a gamer but generally enjoy puzzle and strategy games over FPS or other games that demand heavy real-time input. I do not own an XBox (PS3 for me). I do not use Facebook or Twitter in any real capacity. I tried, and I just don't get it. And finally I am a HUGE music lover. I'm the guy that still buys CDs for the artwork and rips them at higher bitrates. I'm always on the lookout for something new. I also rip all of my DVDs (movies and TV) so I can take them on travel and watch them on the plane.

    If you picked up on the iPhone comment above your first question might be why I considered defecting? The simple answer is iTunes. I've had many minor glitches and nags with iTunes over the years, however the recent move of my music and movie library to a NAS was so painful it was the last straw for iTunes.

    So what's to like about Win7?

    • First and foremost Win7 was really easy to learn and figure out. Navigation was a little mystifying at first, but after a few minutes I had it figured out. Within a couple of hours I had the whole phone explored and setup. And setup was also MEGA easy.
    • One word - ZUNE. Unlike iTunes it was easy to setup, let me import anything I want, and I love the subscription service. I had Zune on my PC before I had any kind of mobile Zune player. Unlike iTunes, I get my music through Zune in MP3 format, and I'm free to use it how I want. I'll also add it's visually a nice experience. The experience translates to the Win7 phone just as well. Oh and that setup problem I had with iTunes. Zune was more than happy to adjust itself to my music library on my new NAS without bitching. I'll also add the Zune SW multitasks better - iTunes tends to get sluggish and freeze up if you're importing movies or a lot of music. Zune seamlessly handles it in the background.
    • WIRELESS SYNC - something Apple has continually blocked. I'm happy to say if my phone is plugged in for 10 minutes on AC power and sees my Zune server it will sync over 802.11.
    • Mobile Office - an essential for me as my biz is an MS shop. Online versions of office are available through Windows Live so you don't even have to buy a PC version of Office if you don't want to. No clue if it will work on Mac tho.
    • 4" AMOLED - actually more the phone than Win7 but I'll say Win7 makes full use of the this gorgeous screen
    • It works well as a phone.
    • Voice commands - I feel silly talking to my phone but when I'm driving and I want to find a Starbucks or something it actually works well. Disclaimer - I am an American, and I speak with a "Hollywood accent" which is to say most people would say I don't have an accent.
    • Support for my work calendar off Exchange, AND a Windows Live calendar so I can keep my personal and work lives separate. Not necessarily unique to Win7 but they did a beautiul job integrating everything together.
    • Free development tools that work really well. I did C/C++ development for many years, then I did Java for a few years, and I've been doing C# for a while now. When I can just download the free tools and write an simple application in a few minutes that speaks volumes. As far as I'm concerned MS still makes the best develop
  • by bonch ( 38532 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @11:47AM (#34196832)

    WP7 doesn't even have a sockets API. You're expected to use HTTP for everything.

  • by dwightk ( 415372 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @01:31PM (#34198174) Homepage Journal

    oh my, what do the other numbers break down to?

    180 days, 1.5M units = 8,333.3 units per day

    Who cares? I think it'd be funny if WP7 went the way of the kin, but the article and summary were poorly written.

  • by not already in use ( 972294 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @02:34PM (#34198914)

    can someone tell me what WP7 does that makes it unique? What are its selling points? Because from what I've read, there are no unique aspects to it.

    Let me start by saying I have used iPhones pretty extensively, iPhone 4 included and had owned a Nexus One since it launched up until I got my WP7 phone yesterday. I am extremely impressed. What is unique about it? I think it is an evolutionary step in the right direction in regards to user interaction and the general workflow of dealing with this relatively new form factor (that being touch-screen only). The tiles motif is extremely informative and looks surprisingly good considering how simple and basic it is. The tiles can animate and they seem to use this in a practical manner, not making things appear too busy on the home screen.

    As far as UI responsiveness, it equals the iPhone and absolutely destroys Android, especially when it comes to the keyboard. Even with all the fancy auto text-correcting options turned on, there is no perceivable jitter. It is smooth as butter.

    It takes from WebOS the concept of reconciling like-data into a universal hub. Personally, I really like this. The one thing I don't like about it, is the fact that every one of my facebook friends show up in my address book. I would like to see a feature to disable that aspect of it. Otherwise, it does a great job of integrating the social networking capabilities of various services into a single, cohesive interface that does the job extremely well.

    The last thing I'll say, since I've only been using it a day and can't yet offer a comprehensive review, is that it inherits the Zune player, which is absolutely awesome. If you have a zune pass it is by far the best music service available on any portable device.

    It's XBox all over again. They'll lose several billion on WP7 and write it off. WP8 will come out and after three years of shoving the platform down people's throats, they'll be a hard won 25% of the market. Don't get me wrong, I own an XBox 360 but how many years of mistakes did it take for them and how much did they lose on the original to come to that piece of market share?

    You are clearly not very business savvy. Are you saying the Xbox was a bad idea because it wasn't instantly profitable? The only system *ever* to pull that off was the Wii, which was a rebranded GameCube. They went from total underdog with the original Xbox to market leader of next-gen consoles (I am NOT including Wii, because I don't consider it next gen and don't know anyone who actually plays theirs). So, to use an example of a highly successful Microsoft product to illustrate why they shouldn't do it all over again with a different product is a bit puzzling.

    Why flush money down a losing venture until it starts to see a return? Because they can. And one of the many faults of capitalism is that those with a ton of money can do the stupidest shit and still come out okay.

    Again, you don't understand big business. Sometimes you gotta lose money to make money. There are only two major players in the smartphone market and there is certainly room for a third. To say that this is a dumb move on Microsoft is absurd, especially considering how strong of a product they have launched.

  • by KarmaMB84 ( 743001 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @03:26PM (#34199578)
    Sockets are supposed to come in an OS update which will come from MS without carrier or hardware vendor involvement so we can be pretty sure every phone will get it. I'd assume it'll end up rolled in with either the copy and paste update (early 2011) or the multi-tasking update. I'm pretty sure it was a security policy issue preventing use of sockets on the WP7 .NET runtime.
  • by cbhacking ( 979169 ) <been_out_cruisin ... om ['hoo' in gap> on Thursday November 11, 2010 @04:53PM (#34200694) Homepage Journal

    Um, no, it is a v1 product. It comes from a company that has previously shipped products meant for the same class of task (OS for a phone), but that doesn't mean it has ancestors. The UI is totally new, built from scratch. That's what people are seeing and responding to.

    You have to go clear down to the kernel to find anything much in common with WinMo, and even there it's received a huge degree of improvement. Would you call the first Android phones not a "v1" product just because Google obviously took lessons from the iPhone? That's about the degree of relation between WinMo and WP7; another existing but very different product in the marketplace.

    Also, MS has not been making smartphones. Technically they didn't even make WP7 phones, but they did lay out the hardware specs. They didn't do that for WinMo, and just as with Android, that came back to bite them. This is a new approach, between the complete stack of Apple devices and the free-wheeling world of commodity PCs.

  • by not already in use ( 972294 ) on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:33PM (#34201112)

    what's wrong with the way iOS 4 (and now WP7) does multitasking?

    Nothing, really. It's just something for neckbeards to scream about.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 11, 2010 @05:46PM (#34201250)

    I'm working for Microsoft. Nobody's got a Windows 7 phone. A few senior staff have seen them demonstrated. It's as if they forgot to actually make the phones.

  • by David Gerard ( 12369 ) <(ku.oc.draregdivad) (ta) (todhsals)> on Thursday November 11, 2010 @07:25PM (#34202174) Homepage

    That turns out not to be the case - you can get Opera for the iPhone [opera.com].

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