'Back To the Mac' Media Event On October 20th 349
Kildjean writes "Engadget reports that Apple has issued invitations for a special media event to be held next Wednesday, October 20th at 10:00 AM Pacific Time. The invitation for the event, which is to be held at the company's campus in Cupertino, California, carries the tagline 'Back to the Mac.' The invitation also contains an image of what appears to be a lion peeking out from behind the Apple logo, hinting at discussion of Mac OS X 10.7. 'Lion' has been one of the most commonly-suggested 'big cat' names for the next-generation operating system. Much of Apple's notebook line with the exception of the entry-level MacBook is due for a refresh, and Apple has refreshed at least a portion of its notebook line each October or November for the last several years. Apple's desktop offerings have all been updated relatively recently, suggesting that the company's media event may focus on notebooks if new hardware is included on the agenda."
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There's absolutely no information in there thats news.
[Steve Jobs arches fingers and raises eyebrow] "Excellent"
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Then they relaxed, smiled, and said, "but you can ask us directly if we work hard." So I did. And there w
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one question I asked was, "is it true that at Apple you work really hard?"
Why in the world would you possibly ask this? All it does is make you sound scared of hard work. Of course they work hard! Anyone at the top of their field always does. It's how you get there.
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Yes? ...maybe you should get engrossed in the Apple TV v2, then. Because it sucks. No DVi support, can't hook to more than one iTunes library, it produces wavy, distorted images on many HDTVs, the remote is a nightmare to select passwords on (and bless them, they've made the device so you constantly have to feed it IDs and passwords), the TOSlink audio locks it up, it has no rational buffering s
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Granted, though it doesn't go out of its way to discount very many rumors, either.
Also, this story isn't mostly about an official announcement. It's rumors about the official announcement...
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Granted, though it doesn't go out of its way to discount very many rumors, either.
Because maybe they get tired of telling people: Unless you hear it from us, it's a rumor. Heck even Verizon has said that any announcement about a Verizon iPhone will come from Apple. And this is an official announcement next week with hints about what will come. There will always be speculation regardless. I think 10.7 will be announced. It's about time if history is any judge.
Re:This is news (Score:3, Insightful)
I recommend you change your /. settings so you don't see apple news.
Easy enough.
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It's the first OS X / Mac event in a while, with strong hints it's about an upcoming version.
I wonder how the milky way is *maybe* more square-like is a better story here. :p
Honestly, it was quite a while since Apple had an event like this.
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the biggest non-news story ever posted to Slashdot
You must be new here.
Re:This is news? (Score:4, Funny)
I think we're supposed to start guessing the next OS X name or something, as if we are children.
OS X Kitty! ( http://xkcd.com/231/ [xkcd.com] )
Re:This is news? (Score:5, Funny)
It's how we keep the doctor away.
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m..mom?
MBP (Score:2)
I hope they upgrade the MBP line (which they should, it's within their usual release cycle). My current Macbook (from before they had small MBPs) is getting old and slow and can't really handle having two people logged in and running Firefox at the same time anymore, and I didn't want to get a new one when they were this close to releasing new ones!
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Not the 13.3" version.
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How is the april macbook pro? I have the previous version from mid 2009 and it seems to choke under heavy disk io, which earlier models didn't seem to do so badly..
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I hope so too. I have a 2006 model MBP. I was planning on upgrading it after three years, but the available replacements at the time were only slightly faster. The current ones are a bit better. The i5 / i7 are a step up from the Core 2, and the increase in battery life looks okay. I'd also like an SSD, but getting the 256GB SSD and the decent screen pushes the price up to well over double what I paid for this machine, so I'll probably hang on to it for a bit longer, until flash prices drop.
Hopefull
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I've been upgrading the harddrive in my MB over the years - there's a 250GB drive in it now. I'm just going to move that over to the new laptop whenever that happens. SDDs seem cool but they push the price up an insane amount.
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They're pricey, but they make the machine fly. I have a 2007 17" (Version 3,1). Always seem to hang on program switching and heavy disk I/O. Changing out to a 7200 RPM drive made a bit of difference, but really didn't change my 'attitude' to the machine (basically I wanted a new one). Sticking in an SSD however, was a night and day experience. I think OS X really hits the hard drive for lots of little things that really could stay in RAM (the
Re:MBP (Score:5, Insightful)
Step 1: Ditch Firefox. It's become a cow. Unless you absolutely need some extensions you can't get elsewhere, try Chrome or Safari.
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Aside from the *fact* that Firefox is a cow, it has some of the most awful, ugly font rendering in the world.
Why would you buy a Macintosh, which includes perhaps the best font rendering engine on the planet, and $1000 worth of professional fonts, in order to render them so terribly?
Safari has one of the fastest Javascript engines on the planet, its HTML5 capabilities blow FF out of the water, and it's just all around nicer.
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I welcome our OS IX overlords (Score:5, Informative)
The big cats are:
I welcome our OS XI overlords as well (Score:2)
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I would argue Mac OS 8.6 was the best Classic OS release. It pushed the old architecture about as far as it could go, and got it about as stable as you could hope for given the technical limitations of cooperative multitasking and unprotected memory.
It removed a ton of cruft, swapped out the kernel, added Carbon support and basically pulled a Weekend at Bernie's on what was an embarrassingly out of date codebase.
I'm still not even sure why Mac OS 9 happened beyond the need for something between 8 and 10 on
Re:I welcome our OS XI overlords as well (Score:5, Interesting)
Mac OS 9 probably should have been called Mac OS 8.7, but for the fact that Jobs needed a quick way out of the contracts Apple had with the cloners, which were killing Apple.
The loophole that was found was that the cloners' licenses to distribute Mac OS were only valid for version 8.x. Thus they renamed Mac OS 8.7 to Mac OS 9 and refused to license the new major version to the cloners, putting them out of business.
~Philly
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Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords (Score:4, Funny)
Maybe they will have a Liger release :D
Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords (Score:5, Funny)
They could use that as a springboard into the "mythical creature" series for OS XI.
OS 11.0 - Unicorn
OS 11.1 - Bandersnatch
OS 11.2 - Jabberwock
OS 11.3 - Seraphim
OS 11.4 - Canadian
OS 11.5 - Basilisk
"Today Macworld provides coverage as Apple.... RELEASES OS 11.6 - THE KRACKEN!"
Geez, with mythical creatures they could go for decades.
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Missed one...
OS 11.7 - Duke Nukem Forever
Let's collectively pray that Kracken is stable over a long, long time :)
Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords (Score:4, Interesting)
Could include some now-extinct cats like sabre-toothed ones. But you're probably right... MacOS X is now about 10 years old and is probably due for a major rejiggering soon.
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Could include some now-extinct cats like sabre-toothed ones. But you're probably right... MacOS X is now about 10 years old and is probably due for a major rejiggering soon.
And Linux is about 19 years old and is probably due for a major rejiggering, too :)
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Snow leopards, and Leopards are separate Genus. Something you should have noticed sine your said seven, but then only listed six categories.
And big cat isn't an actual classification.
So they could go with 'Saber tooth' or maybe 'LOL'
Re:I welcome our OS IX overlords (Score:5, Funny)
10.10 Thunder, thunder, Thundercats! Hoooooo!
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I think you forgot long cat.
From everything I learned in school, long cat is long.
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- Dan.
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Since they are using the names, and except for the Cheetah print and Snow Leopard, not actually showing pictures of the animals, they still have options. They used both Panther and Jaguar.
10.0 Cheetah
10.1 Puma
10.2 Jaguar
10.3 Panther
10.4 Tiger
10.5 Leopard
10.6 Snow Leopard
10.7 Lion?
Other names still available, especially if they include medium-sized cats (which they already did depending on how you classify puma):
bobcat, mountain lion, lynx, cougar, caracal, ocelot, and a whole slew of region-specific minor s
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Although Apple could probably pull it off, I'd be wary if I was naming an operating system to call it Lynx, but I agree with your general idea that they aren't limited to the exact divisions a zoologist or geneticist might impose upon the list.
There's no reason they couldn't change from cats to something else within 10, though. There's also no reason they couldn't bump the version numbers to 11 just to start a new list even if it's not a major rewrite of the system. Microsoft sure wouldn't be able to sue th
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Yeah but that doesn't mean Apple has to stick to big cat families.
Also they could use species like they did for Snow Leopard. After all Snow Leopard was a major change under the hood from Leopard but didn't add many user distinguishable changes. The main thing users may have noticed is that the system files and library sizes shrunk by half or so. There are also the hybrid species like Tiglon and Ligers.
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I predict that about the time OSX runs out of big cat names, Microsoft will jump on the big cat bandwagon and release Windows Garfield. Millions of dollars will be spent marketing it, Odie will replace Clippy, and after selling hundreds of copies, Microsoft will declare it a success[1]
[1] in relation to the Kin.
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We've had snow leopard, so perhaps clouded leopard is the next one!
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Didn't they already use Panther? That's not even on your list, so that means they're willing to use a broader ranged nomeclature than your suggestion.
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Here's what is going happen:
* Jobs will give the name of the new OS that won't be coming out for at least a year and encourage developers to get involved with it by offering some promotion/kool-aide.
* There will be updates to the macbook pro and macbook air line. Maybe some small addition to the macbook. (The new macbook air is supposed to be epic. I'm gonna hope for -typical- with an i3 chipset. Just saying...)
* He will not want to talk about iOS saying this is about Macs with the exception of the new iLife Package which will have some App Made Easy program in it.
* See above...new version of iLife.
* There will be some one more things nonsense, everyone will go nuts. Drink more kool-aide, spend all your money...hoozah.
Yes, I own I mac and an iphone...but I hate the hype. Anyone that really cares read macrumors and daringfireball, right? (Yes, gruber is an asshole.)
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I own a few Macs, but non with Intel CPUs in them. Mine all have 68xxx, G3, or G4 chips. I also own one iPod, but that was a gift from an employer. What I care about is the abilities of the system and the quality of the hardware and software. My older Macs serve the same purpose as my really old PCs: nostalgia.
All that said, it'd be stupid once you've built a hype-following fan base as a core part of your customer base not to keep them coming back for more hype. The company (while under good leadership) kno
Re:Allow me... (Score:5, Informative)
Jobs will give the name of the new OS that won't be coming out for at least a year and encourage developers to get involved with it by offering some promotion/kool-aide.
I would think that you'd want to give developers some time between announcement and release so that developers could use/test the release.
He will not want to talk about iOS saying this is about Macs with the exception of the new iLife Package which will have some App Made Easy program in it.
Considering that when Jobs just talked about iOS and their new line of iPods just last month [apple.com], one of the main complaints is that he didn't discuss OS X or the Mac at all, Jobs focusing on OS X this month isn't unreasonable.
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Just another pretender. "Yeah, look at me, I'm not like those other Apple sheeple, I'm so much cooler than them. I'll even chuck in a few Apple put-downs so that the haters think I'm an alright guy."
Waiting on a Macbook Air refresh (Score:2)
it is woefully overdue. Ramp it up to 4gb of memory at least, being stuck at 2gb really limits the device. Prices of SSD should allow it to be the only storage offering available.
Apple still needs something to excite the lower end consumer, the Mac Mini doesn't cut it as it doesn't even come with keyboard and mouse which really does put off some people. I think they would be best served offering it up with keyboard, mouse, and a decent (read:no ips) stand alone display. Give people a complete solution a
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If they did that wit the mine, it wuld cost as much as an iMac. Plus it would undermine the 'value' of all there other products. It would be a bad move for Apple. They are doing fine in the market they want. They don't want to compete with Dell.
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Forget it. They'll sell you an iPad instead of a Macbook Air. They make so much more money from the apps. They wont let their Mac business eat into their iGizmo business margins.
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I'm on my third Mac mini (first one was a G4/1.42GHz, second one was a Core 2 Duo/1.83GHz with intel GMA950, third one is the new mid-2010 model, still Core 2 Duo but running at 2.4GHz and with the much better nVidia 320M).
I'm still using ViewSonic VP171s that I bought when I was still using a PC, my wired, non-optical Logitech mouse that I bought nearly a decade ago and the same Apple aluminium flat keyboard that I bought at the same time as my second Mac mini.
Why would Apple need to package a keyboard and
Interested to see any changes in OSX (Score:5, Insightful)
Things I hope they change:
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You forgot "Please unbreak Spaces and Exposé", although I suppose that falls under "...don't screw it up" for Snow Leopard.
Spaces has a nasty "Oops I disabled the keyboard" bug that requires restarting the dock to get the keyboard back. It also has as some UI issues, previously you could hit your "show all desktops" shortcut and then a number for the desktop to go directly to the desktop, that's no longer possible. You also used to be able to hit the spaces shortcut followed by moving your mouse pointe
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Well, from what I've read about this issue it only seems to occur when invoking Spaces using <shortcut key> + <number> combinations, something I use a lot.
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Spaces has a nasty "Oops I disabled the keyboard" bug that requires restarting the dock to get the keyboard back.
Interesting, how do you trigger that? I don't think I've run into it.
It also has as some UI issues, previously you could hit your "show all desktops" shortcut and then a number for the desktop to go directly to the desktop, that's no longer possible. You also used to be able to hit the spaces shortcut followed by moving your mouse pointer over a desktop and then hitting the shortcut again to go to that desktop, that's also been taken away in Snow Leopard for some reason...
Interesting, I didn't know about any of those shortcuts. The numbers one sounds useful. You CAN however however and switch to a space by press Enter, or switch to a window a space by pressing the space bar.
My main beef with spaces is:
1) It doesn't work at all with Java programs
2) It sucks on multi-monitor
As for Exposé, the new layout seems, IMHO, to fly in the face of what we know about efficient user interface design, previously windows were placed relative to their position on the screen and sizes were also relative (large windows being large and small ones being small). Now we've got some weird layout where windows fly all over the place for no reason which makes it a lot harder to find windows quickly.
Agree. I don't like the new exposé as much either. I also don't like how minimized windows show up at the bottom of exposé--ver
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Make it easier to install binaries used on other *nix systems. Because the pain of using Fink or DarwinPorts is too much. Both install absolutely ridiculous sized frameworks and trying to compile something when you don't have a binary is a mixture of voodoo and tears, roughly where Linux was 15 years ago. Recently I wanted to install a2ps to use some documentation scripts I created which run on Fedora / RHEL. I gave up, it was too much bother.
I always wanted a very nice package management system for OSX. Kind of like Synaptic on top of apt. I agree that Fink and DarwinPorts are woefully lacking and I'd like to see an all-encompasing package management system for OSX. I'm just afraid if Apple has anything to do with it then it will turn out like their iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch app store.
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So to that end I think there may be a need to "approve" apps as compatible. You don't want someone replacing CUPS for instance with a newer version, because then some system printing apps / code no longer works correctly
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Your other points ring true, but the first one fails. Fink is astoundingly easy to use - it has basically the same interface as most any other Unix package management system. You pick the thing you want to install, it asks you if it can install the dependencies, and it's off and away.
This is hardly hard work. Even if you don't have a binary in a repo, it simply takes a bit longer because of the compilation step.
Fink and the Ports system both work great, and they coexist without problems (now). Look at t
People may say OSX 10.7 has a codename Cheetah... (Score:3, Funny)
Thanks for Plagiarizing MacRumors without credit.. (Score:4, Informative)
Why, with the exception of removing direct internal MacRumors links, this "story" looks to be identical wording to the MacRumors [macrumors.com] story on this.
Re:Thanks for Plagiarizing MacRumors without credi (Score:5, Informative)
Correction: The original submission from Kildjean has the link to MacRumors at the bottom. The approved /. story does not. Kildjean did right, samzenpus removed it.
Re:Thanks for Plagiarizing MacRumors without credi (Score:2)
You must be new here. This is standard Slashdot M.O. Just put quotes around what someone else wrote (without citing them), and somehow they think that's OK. It's shockingly prevalent here.
Dear Apple.... (Score:3, Insightful)
I' love to "get back to the mac" but I cant. You wont make a mac pro that is affordable in any way so I had to abandon the Mac platform and go back to the PC platform like many MANY businesses have.
I would love to stick with Final Cut and the mac platform... but I am able to buy 2X the machine for 1/2 the money AND have enough left over to buy new video camera gear. for the price of ONE Mac Pro quad core that can do AVCHD editing smoothly.
I loved editing on the mac platform, but they made the mac pro platform way too expensive.
Ummm few things (Score:3, Interesting)
1) (in my best morbo voice) WRITEOFFS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY! You don't get stuff for free. It isn't like you just buy new hardware and then pay that much less in taxes. Yes, there are various kinds of tax writeoffs related to physical goods. No they don't come anywhere near what the goods cost (and you have to take them over time).
2) Managing expenses is extremely important to small business. You generally have a limited amount you can grow your market, particularly in the shit economy we currently have. Thu
New desktop? (Score:4, Insightful)
The discussion seems to be very OS oriented, but I'd like to see some hardware changes. There have been plenty of "refreshes" but nothing that is a truly NEW Apple computer. How about a desktop computer between the mini and the pro? Something better than the absolute base model and the absolute top end, that I can use on my KVM switch. The current pricing is $700 and $2500. Bit of a price gap for headless desktops there.
Re:New desktop? (Score:4, Informative)
How about a desktop computer between the mini and the pro?
That would be the iMac. Yes, I know it's got a monitor attached to it but that's what they're offering, and you can use it as just a monitor if you end up buying a faster machine and want to reuse the iMac's monitor.
Apple as a company seems to have little interest in a "pure" "hobbyist" machine, they sell systems...
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The iMac isn't particularly more powerful than a Mac mini, if at all. It just has the display attached, which is fine, but doesn't make it better.
And my wants are nothing of a "pure" "hobbyist". I would like a better Mac than a Mac mini to attach to my workstation KVM switch for work but I can't justify the $2500 entry fee for a Mac Pro. I want a Mac Semi-Pro.
I get the distinct impression that Apple doesn't care about desktop users at all anymore. Their focus is almost entirely mobile computing in a variety
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Mac pro over kill hardware price Do you realy need a 1k PSU for a 1 cpu system with a ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB GDDR5.
A Mac Pro is an expandable workstation. If Apple didn't put a powerful enough PSU for the the 3 PCI slots and the 3 HD expansion bays, there would be complaints that Apple put in an underpowered PSU. Some people actually use them.
Mac pro at $2500 comes with a W3530 cpu about $300 (same price area as the i7-930) but apple only puts 3gb ram in and only a ATI Radeon HD 5770 with 1GB of GDDR5 (add $200 for a ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB)
Perhaps maybe because a Xeon is not the same thing as a Core i7. Intel considers them different families, maybe you should too.
But when you can get good I7 systems with 6gb ram and a better or the same video card for $1000-$1500. Where is the that extra $1000+ going a full boxed copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is only $300 oem full is like $200 and big oem like dell pay less.
Again an i7 isn't a Xeon. If you want an i7 from Dell, buy one.
There are people who may not want to play games but for $2500 you should get a Nvidia Quadro or ATI fire pro ATI FireGL card.
I don't think it is listed anywhere on the MacPro website [apple.com] nor does Apple hint that the MacPro is a "gaming machine". The problem is that you keep saying it's not a gaming machine but that's just your misunderstanding of what a MacPro is. It has always been a professional workstation so that professionals can edit sound/music/graphics/video for a living. It is not made for you to play Crysis, although you can do it. If you want a gaming machine, companies like Alienware make equipment specifically for you.
FaceTime event (Score:2)
Only reason they are having this event is to announce and demo FaceTime for Mac.
*ducks*
What comes after Lion? (Score:2)
I'm voting for "ThunderCat".
Or perhaps "Tabby".
Re:And??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because the release of the next major version of the second most popular Desktop OS family is news.
Just like the release of Ubuntu 10.10 and Windows 7 were news.
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This isn't the release of the next major version. This is a press release for an event for which there is speculation for the next major release being announced.
The announcement of the release or upcoming release would actually be FP worthy.
Re:And??? (Score:5, Funny)
Slashdot is friendly to LGBT community and needs to cater to their interests as well. Hence, the Mac news.
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I would bet money there are more OSX users on Slashdot than linux users.
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now that would be an interesting poll
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There's something truly sadistic about control-C as the keystroke for copying... when you've just typed the last line in a twenty-line command in a terminal window SSHed to a UNIX box. :-)
Re:And??? (Score:5, Insightful)
The poll would need to specify if it's about your preferred choice or the OS you spend most of your time with because company policies.
Slashdot should to these two polls next:
Which is your preferred OS? (given a choice, which do you use)
- Windows 95/95 OSR2/98/98SE/ME/NT
- Windows XP
- Windows Vista
- Windows 7
- Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
- Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
- Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
- Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc)
- I use Open/FreeBSD you insensitive clod!
Which OS do you use the most? (even if you don't like it but are forced to use it for various reasons)
- Windows 95/95 OSR2/98/98SE/ME/NT
- Windows XP
- Windows Vista
- Windows 7
- Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger)
- Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard)
- Mac OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
- Linux (Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc)
- I use Open/FreeBSD you insensitive clod!
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That's a matter of debate. OS X is as good as Ubuntu, Fedora, as a desktop but where it really shines is the apps. OSS apps are great, but unusable unless the complete workflow of the department allows for them. In ours, we HAVE to use MS Office, Sharepoint, Exchange, regardless of our personal preference.
Regardless of that, you have VMWare, Parallels and VirtualBox in Mac OS X and I am running RHEL, Solaris, NetApp Simulator, Windows Server and others in it.
Whether OS X is better than Linux at being a UNIX
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Yeah some of us are just generalist-hate trolls! We spread our evil evenly.
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More likely it made news because it doesn't have to be some certified or confirmed event to be newsworthy. Don't' forget we use a mod system for a story to even get this far to begin with. Obviously it is of interest to a large number of folks. As news sites go, I prefer this method as we essentially choose our own headlines. If only 'certified' events, known facts, and 'proven' theories (is there such a thing?) made news, we wouldn't have much left to talk about and we would hear about them after the fact
Re:And??? (Score:4, Insightful)
Considering Apple's present market capitalization, I'm afraid you've mischaracterized where the interest is coming from. It's only the most valuable technology company in the world, you know. So what it does demands attention; both from the technology sector in general, and of course from its customers.
Re:And??? (Score:4, Insightful)
This is worthy of a front page news item why?
Because this is an ad-supported site and every news story with the word 'Apple' in it generates heaps of comments. Think about that next time to you contribute to the thread.
This just in... (Score:2)
Steve Jobs has just washed* his cereal bowl, a spoon, and what appears to be a small plate.
* You can actually see him, through his kitchen window, doing his dishes if you walk down his street.
If you were talking about bowel movements, well that's not only gross but silly too. Everyone knows the iToilet hasn't been unveiled yet. At least it won't have the buffer overflows that Microsoft's MyToilet prototype suffered from when Steve Ballmer demonstrated it.
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Yes, it's only a matter of time before Apple decides to lock out a bunch of their iOS developers by making the development platform prohibitively expensive. I'm sure they can't wait to do that.
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I'm not sure they will. After all, right now you can buy a Mini with OSX server, and even sans optical drive if you wish. If they wanted to force more expensive hardware for their upper-end features, they would prevent OSX Server from running on a Mini. Originally the EULA prevented you from using OSX Server on anything other than an XServe or MacPro, but now they not only allow it, they endorse it.
They want Macs to be the machines people are using to create content and apps for the mobile gadgets. I don't
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And how much would it cost you to purchase a PC with Windows 2008 and unlimited CALs?