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Apple Wants To Share Your Location With Others 248

Farhood sends in this snip from the LA Times: "In an updated version of its privacy policy, the company added a paragraph noting that once users agree, Apple and unspecified 'partners and licensees' may collect and store user location data. When users attempt to download apps or media from the iTunes store, they are prompted to agree to the new terms and conditions. Until they agree, they cannot download anything through the store. The company says the data is anonymous and does not personally identify users. Analysts have shown, however, that large, specific data sets can be used to identify people based on behavior patterns." Mashable and The Consumerist have picked up on this collection and sharing of "precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device."
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Apple Wants To Share Your Location With Others

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  • Not an Apple issue (Score:5, Informative)

    by Yvanhoe ( 564877 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @05:41AM (#32650830) Journal
    Any cell phone provider has the power to do exactly this. This is despicable, that Apple or anyone else does, but this is the kind of thing we have to expect from the current carriers and the current, almost inexistent, framework of laws protecting privacy.
  • Re:Big deal (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @06:00AM (#32650912)

    "Until they agree, they cannot download anything through the store."


  • by MrHanky ( 141717 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @06:47AM (#32651106) Homepage Journal

    "Opting out applies only to Apple advertising services and does not affect" the collection and dissemination of location data.

  • by blake1 ( 1148613 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @06:49AM (#32651128)
    Settings > General > Location Services

    Now you can choose which apps are able to access your location information, or disable this feature altogether. Was that really so hard?

  • by Xest ( 935314 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @06:52AM (#32651142)

    "Who tells you that might be happening if you have an Android phone? Or if you install a browser that enables the geolocation services of HTML 5 on your PC (eg [] )? No one. They don't have to."

    Wrong. Each time you install an Android app, before accepting installation you've given a run down of what permissions the app requires, this includes things like internet access, or making phone calls, but also includes things like judging your rough location using cell masts etc., or judging your fine grained location using GPS. Regarding Google services doing geolocation, that's an option you'll get first time you turn your phone on and can easily change in the menus later if you choose if it has the Google apps pre-installed. I'm not sure why you think they can't stop it on Android, because Android has a marketplace too and all but the most technical users who know the risks anyway use this path for installing apps.

    As for IP based geolocation on a PC, frankly I could care less. Even if I'm not using a VPN or something the best they can do is judge my location to be in an area large enough to contain a population of 20 million people. Apart from telling my country that's largely useless information, and that's all it's really used for as it's all that it can be used for, certainly it's not really enough to track you as an individual over and above what your IP already allows.

  • by kangsterizer ( 1698322 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @06:58AM (#32651174)

    Except that's only for apps you download/run. It's nice but.. ... your phone is still sending regular "anonymized" data to Apple (and only Apple, which then sells it to 3rd parties) according to TFA.

  • WTF? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @07:01AM (#32651188)

    Call me naive, but I trust Apple. I've been using Mobile Me since late 2004. I just migrated away from the Palm phone after three years; I now have an iPhone as my primary phone. My calendar, my contacts, etc. are in the Apple cloud. And guess what? They've never done ANYTHING to erode my trust in them. In the age of telecom companies trying to cap mobile data plans, and place arbitrary restrictions on IP-delivered media content, Apple is busy trying to roll out fiber and generally make the Internet better. I believe that not only do they live by their "think different" mantra, but that they realize the days of the free Internet may be numbered. They're doing their best to save the Internet as we know it. Granted, they have something to gain. But other companies' failure to evolve leaves the door wide open for a company which we should trust far more than AT&T, Time Warner, etc. to preserve the landscape that slashdotters are so eager to protect. The tag is correct, it's a witch hunt. Apple admitted their mistake, we move on.

    deja vu [] ! Spooky!

  • Just opt out... (Score:5, Informative)

    by aardwolf64 ( 160070 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @07:07AM (#32651210) Homepage

    That's about iAd, coming out July 1. According to the agreement (which practically no one reads), you can opt out by visiting this website with your iOS device: []

  • by tpgp ( 48001 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @07:39AM (#32651374) Homepage

    Who tells you that might be happening if you have an Android phone?

    The Android Operating system tells you on installation.

    Or if you install a browser that enables the geolocation services of HTML 5 on your PC?

    Well, that browser is also an application - and android tells you on installation that it can access (amongst others), the following permission: "Your Location: coarse (network based) location, fine (GPS) location."

    No one. They don't have to. They can't really, because there isn't a "gatekeeper" controlling it all.

    Don't believe everything the iPhone fanboys tell you. The above statement is totally incorrect.

  • by MrHanky ( 141717 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @07:53AM (#32651446) Homepage Journal

    Wrong. You have to agree to the new terms if you want to update you iGadget.

  • by dwinks616 ( 1536791 ) on Tuesday June 22, 2010 @10:06AM (#32652622) Homepage
    Every application on Android that uses GPS or Coarse location data explicitly tells you it does when you install it, and if upgraded, it also tells you that it pulls location data if it still uses it, or if the upgrade added that feature. Nothing on the Android store can use GPS data without you knowing.
  • by Yakasha ( 42321 ) on Friday June 25, 2010 @02:52PM (#32694486) Homepage

    If you have a wifi network broadcasting I can see it without going onto your property and looking inside anything.

    So, you didn't look inside the frame, see the recipient MAC and know that it wasn't addressed to you?
    You actively came to my house for the express purpose of listening to MY wireless network, that you KNEW was mine, that you brought special equipment for the sole purpose of listening to MY network, looked at my network, saw that none of the traffic besides the general broadcast messages were meant for you, saved them, and still try to claim ... what? It wasn't your fault? You accidentally setup a packet sniffer to record my network traffic?

    I don't have to lock my car for it to be illegal or immoral for you to take it.

    Do you understand how consumer wireless networks work?

    Yes, do you understand how morality works?

    Apple expressly said it intends to sell your data

    Really? Where? cite the word "sell" please.

    (share with third parties)

    Ah, see now that is what I read. Sounds to me like they're going to share their (non-personally identifiable btw, unlike Google), data with partners such as advertisers and, god forbid, applications on your phone.

    Oh, and one last thing.

    Care to cite them.

    Sure (emphasis mine, header bolding theirs):

    Your choices

    • Certain of our products and services allow you to opt-out of certain information gathering and sharing or to opt-out of certain products, services, or features.

    And that is directly from []

    Why use the modifier "certain", if you mean "all"?

Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad.