Apple Announces iTunes 9, "LPs," Video Camera For the iPod Nano 521
Apple just finished their latest press event, and they revealed a number of new services and features for their products. They kicked things off by saying that iPhone OS 3.1 is now available. It will add the Genius recommendation technology to the App store, giving users suggestions on which apps they might find useful based on what others with similar needs use. They're also adding 30,000 ringtones that users can purchase. Next, they announced iTunes 9, which will use Genius to make mixes by analyzing songs in your library to see which go well together. iTunes is also seeing UI improvements for things like app management, and syncing utilities. You'll be able to easily transfer apps, music, and videos from one of your local devices to another, and there is integrated support for Twitter and Facebook if you want to send music as a gift. Another big new feature: iTunes LPs. These LPs will be a digital album with cover art, lyrics, videos, and other customized content created by the artists themselves. Moving on, they showed off a few new games: an Assassin's Creed sequel, an FPS called Nova that had impressive graphics and multiplayer capability, Riddim Ribbon, a futuristic driving/music game that lets you remix your songs by how you navigate the course, and Madden NFL 2010. Next, Apple announced a price cut for the 8GB iPod Touch and a doubling of available storage for the other models. It's also getting OpenGL 2.0. The iPod Classic is getting a storage upgrade from 120GB to 160GB. In addition, there are headphones that have a controller for the Shuffle. Finally, Jobs got down to his "one more thing": Apple will now be building a video camera into the back of every iPod Nano. Apparently it will be a simple matter to sync videos to your computer or put them up on YouTube, and they're building in an FM radio as well. A detailed liveblog of the event with a ton of screenshots is available at Engadget.
What an innovative price cut! (Score:5, Funny)
It seems that Apple has made a well-timed and completely innovative and ground-breaking price-cut on their products, plus a brand new low-end iPod. Perhaps they are trying to throw a wrench into the machinations of the massive unstoppable juggernaut that is the Zune.
The iPod Touch is a solid product, but its hardware is a bit lackluster. I wish Creative Labs would just productize the Zii Egg already.
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I just can't legitimize spending that sort of money on something like that with the Zii Egg and the Zune HD around the corner. They're a lot more powerful... and for some reason I can't get past the hardware of handheld devices.
This may sound silly on slashdot, but I am actually comparing it to the Zune HD.
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I'm not seeing what the Zune HD has that the latest iPod touch doesn't, except fewer pixels and WinMo.
Re:What an innovative price cut! (Score:5, Interesting)
Well, it's got a pretty hardcore Nvidia Tegra APX, which really slaps the iPod's solution sideways... plus it does have a pretty nice .NET development environment. I develop games... so I do care about this sort of thing.
Aside from that, it does 720p video out... but I don't have an HDTV so I don't care.
I am not going to bother defending this device. It's quite speculative since I don't know how Microsoft will position their App market on it. If the device can be App-centric, it has great potential. If it remains media-centric, then it will likely just be a flashy alternative to lower end iPods.
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I'll give you the Tegra, but if you're a game developer, chances are, sandboxed semi-interpreted apps seem... less ideal than native apps.
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XNA is quite native at the bottom. It's just abstracted at a high level... I think you could get near-native power on it, which should still outstrip what can be done on an ipod. besides this, I don't have a mac and don't care to buy one in order to develop for my handheld.
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What a douchey comment... what are you basing this on?
Are you just mad? Are you mad that I don't like macs? >:( I'm sorry, eDouche. There's nothing "legacy" about XNA.
Re:What an innovative price cut! (Score:4, Insightful)
I just can't legitimize spending that sort of money on something like that with [vaporware] around the corner.
Fixed for brevity
Re:What an innovative price cut! (Score:5, Funny)
You work in marketing, don't you?
Re:What an innovative price cut! (Score:5, Insightful)
What are you honestly going to use the extra "power" for? Wouldn't you rather just have something that does its thing really well? And has a gazillion apps available? If you're going to go purely on features for the dollar instead of "brand", you're probably going to buy a SanDisk anyway. Microsoft is in the worst of both worlds here-- they can't compete with Apple in apps, games, usability, or utility, and they can't compete with the smaller Asian manufactures on pure feature checklist length. Unless you put a LOT of extra value in the "Microsoft" label why buy a Zune? (Which is probably why market share goes roughly 74% Apple, 18% "Other", 7% SanDisk, 1% Microsoft.)
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Yeah. Yeah. That's rational and all. I think the Zune HD will be a more turn-around product for them.
Really, I fanatically hate Apple and it seems like the strongest competition so far at a decent pricepoint. I like their development tools, too. I care about that.
Re:What an innovative price cut! (Score:4, Informative)
I doubt it. For the Zune to be a turn-around product will need to be one of the following.
1. A LOT better then Apples products (not a little bit better) and about the same price as apples products.
2. A LOT cheaper then Apples Products (not a little bit cheaper) and the same quality as the apple products.
Right now the Zune is relegated to Ripoff iPod Wannabe status. Any advantages is replaced by Apple larger market share advantages (more apps, more music).
Apple as far as product quality hasn't done much to waver most people trust. Microsoft record is much more shaky.
Er, "can't compete with apps", what? (Score:3, Insightful)
I don't know if you realize it or not, but Windows Mobile is a 10+ year old platform. The number of apps available for it dwarf the number of apps for the iPhone, and that is before you subtract the over 90% of iPhone apps that are useless sound makers and/or trial versions of software.
On top of that I can write my own app and have it published on my website without getting Apple, or Microsoft, or anyone else involved or approving it, and people can install it on their phone as simply as a double click on
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The HD video output is a dead giveaway. That takes horsepower. The Tegra has it and they are showing it off.
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The anemic amount of storage would be the main thing.
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Thanks, you made me spit up my coffee. Mod parent +5 funny!
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It seems that Apple has made a well-timed and completely innovative and ground-breaking...
These aren't features that are somehow innovative, since they were around five years ago on competing products. In other news, were you paid to make that post?
App Store Games (Score:2, Interesting)
If you look at one of the graphs that was shown, this is the first time I can remember that Apple has made a direct comparison to the Sony PSP and Nintendo DS, or even to those companies in general. I think this is the opening shot of a new gaming war.
It will be interesting to see if the app developers can keep up with the DS and PSP developers.
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Not sure about FIFA, but Madden '10 is now for sale for the iPhone, so I suspect it will work just fine for that sort of game. Also available is Civilization Revolution, SimCity 3K, and other major titles. Assassin's Creed was demoed at today's event and the Command and Conquer franchise is coming over, as well as NBA Live. The myth that all the games for the iPhone are homebrew, low-budget Flash-like one-offs is long gone.
With over 50M devices sold to date that can play iPhone games (iPhone + iPod Touch
Re:App Store Games (Score:4, Interesting)
One word/acronym: "USB".
Not that I would buy any iToys just for gaming, but as a (reasonably fair) comparison, my netbook sucks for gaming input as well. One $15 USB gamepad later, though, and I have the entire library of emulated SNES games at my fingertips for some serious wasting of time, without making my shoulders and neck feel like I spent the last week sleeping in a bookcase.
It actually surprises me that Nintendo and Sony haven't already take the approach of separate display and input devices for portable gaming... Although a little more awkward to carry, most people don't find it comfortable to put their hands together, at arms' length, and stare at that same spot for hours on end.
An idea... (Score:2)
Wireless sync? Yes? Please?
Re:An idea... (Score:5, Funny)
This duplicates the iTunes syncing functionality. Sorry. Just removing a wire does not justify duplicating functionality in the Experience(TM).
Oh well, yes I have karma to burn.
Goodbye Flip? (Score:5, Interesting)
FAIL ! (Score:3, Informative)
You should check the specs before shooting from the hip. The new iPod Nano vid camera has a 640x480 resolution @ 30fps with 8GB memory and costs $149. The Flip Ultra also has a 640x480 resolution @ 30fps but only 4GB memory and also costs $149. The Flip HD versions cost $199.
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To be fair, for the price of the iPod Nano, which captures in VGA resolution, you can get a Flip with better optics and bigger sensor that records in 720p HD. Not to say that it's not nice to have video on the Nano, only that it's not going to impact the market that much.
I think it will. More people are going to have an iPod than a video camera, and if the iPod comes with a video camera built-in, there's much less incentive to buy a Flip. Especially when the iPod is 1/10th the volume.
No camera on touch. Classic lives. (Score:2)
Disappointed... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, the nano with a camera is cool and all but, if I'm going to buy a new iPod, it'll be a newer, better Touch, not something "less." Ah well...
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Tablet is probably still quite a while off, given the small market segment of Apple's already small market segment that would be interested in it. I'd like a good one for mobile sketching/art, but I'm not holding my breath that Apple will be the vendor that gets me that piece of technology (Motion Computing seems to be the manuf with the closest device to what I want).
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Confused by sharing across computers (Score:2)
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What day is it? (Score:5, Funny)
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I don't understand how a nano can pick up FM radio. According to my research [google.com], FM band radio in the US can have a wavelength of 3.4 meters. How do you pick that up on a device that's less than 10 centimeters long?
Re:What day is it? (Score:4, Insightful)
You use the "grounding" or "common" conductor in the headphone lead. That's plenty long enough.
Re:What day is it? (Score:4, Informative)
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Are companies actually integrating these products? -24 dBi performance isn't so hot, though it would probably be good enough for an urban area. I expect that a headphone cable would do better.
http://www.fractus.com/sales_documents/FR01-B3-W-0-055/DS_FR01-B3-W-0-055.pdf [fractus.com]
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I don't understand how a nano can pick up FM radio. According to my research [google.com], FM band radio in the US can have a wavelength of 3.4 meters. How do you pick that up on a device that's less than 10 centimeters long?
Between Fractal Antennas [wikipedia.org] and using the headphone cable as the antenna there are several possibilities for how they get FM into that small package.
LPs eh? (Score:5, Funny)
Now if only they would make the ipod out of vinyl, then it would sound warmer and more natural.
LPs (Score:4, Insightful)
Another big new feature: iTunes LPs. These LPs will be a digital album with cover art, lyrics, videos, and other customized content created by the artists themselves
I read that as "we're giving into the RIAA, who wants people to buy 12 songs at a time, only 2 of which are worth a listen, and which you will be sick of already from being played endlessly on Top 40 radio in between 10 minute commercial breaks and 5 minutes of the DJ talking about their dog."
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That would be a silly way of reading it, since you can continue to purchase individual tracks. And why are you listening to top 40 radio?
You don't always have to be contrarian, you know.
Re:LPs (Score:5, Insightful)
You know that they've been selling music by the album for quite some time, right?
Some albums have a pdf "booklet". LP is probably just a way of getting all the extras packaged together so that the devices (and not just a computer) can handle them.
camera in the Nano but not the Touch? huh? (Score:5, Insightful)
I bet the iTouch was pulled from the presentation (Score:3, Interesting)
Because they are apparently having manufacturing problems with it.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/07/technical_issues_could_delay_ipod_camera_upgrade.html [appleinsider.com]
If they did not have a hard ship date for that product, I think they would pull it from the presentation rather than announce it was coming "sometime." I would look for an iTouch with camera and faster internals to be announced for the holidays.
No camera in the iTouch (Score:2, Interesting)
Really? They can fit one into the Nano, but not the Touch?
iPod touch with camera (Score:5, Informative)
No GPS for iPod touch :-( (Score:2)
30k Ringtones (Score:5, Interesting)
$1.29 Ringtones! It still boggles my mind that people accept this.
$1.29 for a 30 second sound clip compared to $.99 for the full 2-3 minute song. Insane. You know what would've been nice to have in the 3.1 OS update? The ability to choose a song on your phone and then making it your ringtone.
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Re:30k Ringtones (Score:5, Informative)
To add to your comment, you can customize to any point in the songs by right clicking them in itunes, selecting get info, going to the options tab, and setting the start and stop time to whatever you want. Once you have the section of the song you wish to have as your ringtone, hit ok to save the changes, right click the song and select convert to AAC this time. Doing so will make a new .m4a of the section you defined with the start and stop times, and then you can just right click the new song in itunes, select show in finder (show in explorer on windows?), and change the file extension to .m4r instead of .m4a, and double click to open the new m4r file. It will add the new file to itunes under the ringtones section and sync up with your iphone automatically then (and don't forget to uncheck the start and stop times in the original file then).
If you have a razr or any other phone with bluetooth and bluetooth on your computer, you can do the same thing to make ringtones for those also, you just have to use whatever bluetooth sync program your phone uses (and you probably have to convert to mp3 instead of AAC, which is changeable in itunes preferences, and skip the m4a -> m4r section).
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Re:30k Ringtones (Score:5, Funny)
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What I found most annoying with my iPhone when I got it was the number of steps it took to get just a normal, modern (ie- not the old-school-rotary) sounding telephone ring.
They didn't even have anything like that available to buy, as ridiculous as the notion was to me. Nope, I had to go get an MP3 of a phone ringing, get it in iTunes and then do some tom-foolery with file name extensions or some such and then get it put on the phone.
am I the only one in the world that doesn't want "Ridin' dirty" or some C
Can't wait for the uproar... (Score:2)
... when all these folks bring new ipods to jury duty or other federal/state buildings that prohibit cameras. That's gonna be a fun time for someone who expected to while away the hours sitting there by listening to music...
Re:Can't wait for the uproar... (Score:5, Interesting)
'If you have jury duty, you would be listening to the case being discussed, not your iPod.'
Well, usually:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jul/10/claredyer.uknews4 [guardian.co.uk]
"Last Wednesday a defence lawyer thought she caught a glimpse of a wire under the woman's head covering. On several occasions the judge had thought he could hear the faintest "tinny music", but dismissed it as his imagination. Finally, a woman juror sent him a note, claiming her colleague had been listening to her MP3 player during the defendant's evidence."
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKL1689542720070816 [reuters.com]
"Attorney General Baroness Patricia Scotland had "carefully" considered the case and decided not to press criminal charges, saying it would be too difficult to prove if the woman was guilty, a spokeswoman for her office said...The Crown Prosecution Service said there had been contempt cases where people had taken pictures using mobile phones in court, but it was believed to be the first of its kind involving a juror suspected of listening to music."
How about a 250GB IPod Classic?! (Score:2)
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Double standard (Score:5, Insightful)
No, I'm not new here, I'm just dense.
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FLAC support? (Score:2)
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By the trouble it takes to do the conversion of tens of thousands of files to another format.
That's not what lock-in means. It would be lock-in if Apple implemented some mechanism to keep you from converting to another format. As it is you can just set your jukebox player to batch convert and go get coffee. Try not to misuse terms so incorrectly, it verges on flamebait because it is so misinformative. DRM'd AAC, absolutely can be considered lock-in. WMA yup. ALAC, no.
Yet another device I can't bring to work (Score:4, Insightful)
Do they have to put a camera in everything? And will I be able to get a nano without a camera? When almost all cell phones have cameras, does my mp3 player need one, too?
This is a problem only because I work someplace that I can't bring any sort of camera into for security reasons. It's already almost impossible to find a decent cell phone that doesn't have a camera. Now, they're going to make it so I can't get a good music player, also.
Ticked off (Score:3, Interesting)
I need a camera, and I need a mike and I don't want to pay AT&T fees. I also need them soon. I thought I would get that in the new touches. Instead, Apple is giving the tiny Nano more features but not the iPod touch. Why? With that tiny 2.2-inch Nano screen you can't see much of what you've taken and the equally tiny battery isn't likely to last long in video mode.
What's going on? If Apple has production problems with camera-equipped touches, they should say so, give us the details of new touch, and a release date. This cult of secrecy is such a pain. You'd think they were the Kremlin circa 1935. Both have a cult-like obsession with not admitting mistakes.
Still worse is the possibility that Apple wants to build high walls between its products, doling out features in odd ways to fit a marketing straight-jacket. The iPhone would be for work and business for those with the money. The touch is for games but not recreation, hence the lack of a camera and the boring length of game promotion today. Color touch users fat and flabby couch potatoes. The Nano is for mostly outdoor recreation (camera and Nike added), but has nothing that lets you get work done. If so, it's stupid move.
To add insult to injury, I just checked the specs on the new touches. The 8 gig model ships with the old-style earphones not the remote earphones and without a plastic dock adapter. Total saving for Apple? Probably about 25 to 50 cents. Cost to customers who don't want to pull their touch out of their pocket every time they pause music: $30 That stinks. Heck, even the cheap little $59 Shuttle ships with remote earphones. While Jobs was gone, the niggling little bean counters seem to have been running Apple. This is the unfortunate result.
I hate companies that treat their customers as if they were stupid, and that's precisely how I feel Apple is treating its customers now.
Screenshots? (Score:5, Informative)
You know, you don't really take "screenshots" of real life. Most people just call them "photos".
FM radio flexibility. (Score:5, Interesting)
OK, the FM radio is "pausable", which means the data goes into storage. And there's automatic song identification for stations sending that info on a subcarrier.
Now, what is Apple forbidding you from doing? Can you load songs from the FM radio into your song library? Automatically? Can you fast forward through commercials? If not, will Apple complain when third party applications add those features? Apple wouldn't like "Turn it on, and watch it fill up with the latest music. For free.".
That's legal, by the way, under the Audio Home Recording Act, [wikipedia.org] as long as you don't redistribute the files.
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No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.
One of the best calls in /. history.
At least it can be used everywhere... (Score:2)
Those of us who would want to use iPod nano in a gym or some other place disallowing photo cameras, and who still don't have one - now it's the time to grab it, it seems.
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Sarcasm [wikipedia.org]. Look it up.
Re:ipod touch (Score:5, Funny)
Look it up.
Hmm.... "lowest form of wit"... thank you.
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"...but the highest form of intelligence."
Oscar Wilde I believe, but too lazy to look up a reference.
Re:ipod touch (Score:5, Interesting)
Sarcasm aside, I'd buy an iPod touch with a data only 3G connection. I don't want voice service, but I'd love to get on the web from anywhere on my iPod.
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yes that would save you $9.99! every! year!
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EXACTLY. God... At least *someone* understands me.
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Re:ipod touch (Score:4, Insightful)
You don't decide what you want. Apple decides what you want.
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Perhaps sometime soon economic conditions will make end users want something Free and Open.
Re:and THIS is why... (Score:4, Informative)
Maemo is not another platform. It's a lightweight Debian.
Yeah [maemo.org].
Re:and THAT is why... (Score:2)
Funny. I read the entire summary and can say unequivocally that I don't want *any* of that crap.
You simply rephrased what the AC said in a different way. Linux developers want what linux developers want, and they tend not to want what the average end user wants, and therefore the end product will never converge to something the average person desires. Is that really a controversial observation?
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So why is it again that I would want an iPod or to run iTunes becaues any of that marketing jibber jabber?
The only remotely interesting bit sounded like a bit of a rehash of Pandora.
Perhaps it's those inflated prices and reduced selection that should be driving me to iTunes. [/sarcasm]
Re:and THAT is why... (Score:4, Insightful)
Why YOU would want it? I don't know. I don't know you.
The average end user wants iPod + iTunes becasue it is easy to use, and designed to work together from the onset. You can buy an app or a track, download it and load it to your media player all through the same application. Its Apple's "walled garden" approach. You can't do everything (not by a long shot) but what it does is easy for the end user to understand.
Apple isn't after the average /.er, they are after the millions of people who use a computer because they HAVE to, not so much because they want to.
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If you don't treat end users like mushrooms, that's not such a big deal.
Before the market settled down. When many of these devices were using pre-USB
interfaces. Before there was standarization, there was a certain point to Apple's
walled garden.
If you do anything besides buy from iTunes, it all comes crashing down. This is
especially true for video. A more flexible, less picky more standards driven
device is actually less trouble to manage if you decide to buy your videos cheaper
at Amazon.
Amazon has much bette
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It is not a lie.
iTunes does not handle arbitrary video files.
Individual iPods don't handle arbitrary video files or codec settings withing an individual codec.
iTunes itself DOES NOT MANAGE THESE QUIRKS FOR YOU.
The fact that you mention "Handbrake" is a very nice abdication on that point.
Once you try to point to a 3rd party tool, the entire iTunes paradigm is a big FAIL.
You're too busy drinking the cool-aid to treat iTunes critically.
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Heck, all I saw at the press conference of note was the
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Re:and THAT is why... (Score:4, Insightful)
I have an iPod because I like to listen to my music at work and in my car. I ripped my CDs to iTunes long before I had an iPod, so that I could listen to them using a SLIMP3 on my living room stereo. I like using my Mac to rip and store my music because its my preferred home computer and it works.
Now that my life has become complicated enough to warrant keeping a personal calendar (two kids in elementary school and with extra-curricular activities that need to be coordinated between my wife and myself, my work/activity schedule, my wife's work/activity schedule) and an Address Book (school and business phone numbers) I have found myself using my (older) iPod for its calendar and contacts information as well as for music (I used it for carrying around photos, too, but thats not a significant use for me).
I'm VERY interested in the higher-capacity iPod Touch so that I can a) still carry around all my music on a flash-based music device, b) access my calendar and contacts information in a more friendly fashion, and c) make use of the WiFi-based Internet access; all from a single device that integrates nicely with the home computer that my wife and I use to organize ourselves.
A reference to iTunes and its inflated prices or reduced selection is a non-sequitur; one need not purchase anything through iTunes in order to use iTunes or the iPod. I have over 4,000 songs (all legally purchased) in my library, and I've only ever purchased one song over iTunes - it was a song my daughter needed for a dance rehersal, and I didn't want to buy a whole album for just the one song for a limited time period.
I spend enough time hacking around with computers at work. When I get home, I want my home computer and associated peripheral devices to just work, with no hassles. Apple provides that experience quite well, and has (relative to other choices) done so for me since 1987 when I purchased a Macintosh Plus for school.
If I were younger and had more free time, I would probably really enjoy creating the same type of environment using free and open source software. I'm busy by choice doing too many other things, however, so I buy consumer products that take care of those things for me.
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The problem with your story is one that is repeated over and over in different forms but all are based on the same theme. You went down the list of functions that the iPod touch does and restated it as a list of exactly what you want it to do. Nothing more and nothing less. I'd be willing to bet that your list of "wants" changes the minute that Apple releases a newer version that does something additional like Apple was reading your mind. I remember back when the big story was an iPod was just music pla
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I agree so much with your statement but I have such a hard time comprehending why Apple needs me to login to iTunes in order to share my music with myself on other systems.
Or, why I have to load iTunes to transfer a song to my iPod/iPhone. Why can't I transfer a file through bluetooth? Why not a word/OO.o document? Why do I need an APP for that?
Fortunately I love computers and have not limited myself to "JUST WORK" or " PLUG AND PLAY" technology so I can solve stupid problems such as iTunes sharing music wi
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For the love of all that is holy, Apple does NOT sell drm'd music.
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Bull. Its a controller. Stop getting your "news" from lame-o sites like that.
Re:Small print (Score:5, Informative)
Nice try at trolling. This was debunked [eff.org] shortly after the March 2009 story you're pimping.
Epic Fail!
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It's not a goddamn authentication chip. It's a goddamn control chip
Oh, so it's a DRM chip.
Re:Small print (Score:5, Funny)
Jeebus! If you're using a Shuffle (A SHUFFLE!!) as an audio source for your home stereo, the utter lameness of that fact fills me with both pity AND revulsion.
You are, essentially, plugging in a device that has LESS selectability than an 8-track tape deck.
Really, such lame trolling is beneath the high standards expected here at Slashdot World Domination Headquarters, and this WILL be reflected in you semi-annual performance evaluation.
And as for your lack of cover sheets on your TPS reports...
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'I have a classic 160GB purchased around late 2007. Is this something else, or did they decrease the Classic's capacity at some point?'
Yes, they killed the fat (double drive platter) 160Gb Classic and upped the thin 80Gb version to 120Gb, when higher capacity single platter drives became available. Now we have a thin 160Gb Classic, but the double platter version remains dead (so no 240Gb or 320Gb in the immediate future, unfortunately).
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The reason you keep getting modded as a troll is that you keep making trollish claims, such as the chip cannot be reverse engineered due to DMCA, even after you are shown links that explain why you are wrong.
The chip is a controller chip. There is nothing in the DMCA that prohibits reverse engineering controller chips.
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