Apple Update Means Palm Pre Can No Longer Sync With iTunes 841
endikos writes "Apple updated iTunes to version 8.2.1. According to the changelog, it offers bug fixes and 'addresses an issue with verification of Apple devices.' In other words, 'Buzz off, Palm Pre. You ain't no iPhone.'"
Doubletwist? (Score:5, Informative)
It reads iTunes libraries (including those irritatingly hidden away on iPods/Phones) and syncs to lots of devices quite nicely.
It's not exactly full-featured enough yet to use as your main media player, but it's really useful for moving stuff between devices.
Re:What does this get them? (Score:5, Informative)
Intel were sued for illegal business practices. They used their virtual CPU monopoly to bully or 'bribe' system builders into not stocking AMD.
I'm loving how many USians are getting their panties in a twist about it though, so don't let me stop you. ;)
Re:Why doesn't apple want Palm users' cash? (Score:2, Informative)
Bull pucky .29 cents per song and made over 570 million dollars in 2008!
http://www.wired.com/listening_post/2008/03/apple-apparentl/ [wired.com]
From this Apple makes
So unless you are a member of the royal family your statement about not making any significant money is just false.
Re:What does this get them? (Score:3, Informative)
Why does it need to be any more complex than artist->album?
I've never understood the need for genre's (apostrophe FAIL)(especially seeing as they're pretty vague and meaningless). Why the hell would I care about years?
Why care about year of release? Because a lot of folks like to sort their albums, by each artist, in the order in which they were released.
Use doubleTwist instead. (Score:1, Informative)
If you're hooked on iTunes, seriously, you need to get over that, there ARE fine replacements for it. People were listening to digital music long before the iPod ever came out. Unfortunately, Apple tricked a lot of people into thinking that they were paying for music and supporting the artists, but their intention obviously was to control the platform. Any company that would charge for media, but then block you from using it on the device you want to use that media on are not worth your time and money, and if you've been doing business with them, sorry, they've ripped you off. This is a fine example of how Apple is more dangerous than M$ ever was in regards to anti-competitive and anti-innovative behavior.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:2, Informative)
Top seller on the web, huh?
Really do you think there's a chance?...
They already are the top retailer (in the US) period. Not just on the web, but everywhere.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/04/03itunes.html
Re:Ironic dichotomy of Apple's Family Values (Score:2, Informative)
It's funny that you actually believe Apple's marketing to be the truth. Wake up, Apple is a for profit company that will protect it's interests. You're naive to think otherwise.
oh instead of complaining about, go install something else on your computer. Sheesh.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:5, Informative)
Maybe because apple IS a hardware company. They use software to drive hardware sales. OS X sells Macs; the iTunes Music Store sells iPods; the App Store sells iPhones. They can't very well sell their hardware if other hardware companies start circumventing the things that tie Apple's hardware to their software. The Pre pretending to be an iPhone when connecting to iTunes is similar to Psystar making PCs think they're Macs.
Re:Ironic dichotomy of Apple's Family Values (Score:3, Informative)
Nokia already syncs with iTunes, contacts and such. http://europe.nokia.com/get-support-and-software/download-software/nokia-multimedia-transfer and in some cases it is much better than iTunes. No need to connect any wires it will sync with bluetooth..... You can browse the files, change memory cards, thansfer file with bluetooth, full mp3 as ringtone unlike iphone which has a limit of ~40 seconds and needs to have the file renamed .m4r...
The only problem with Nokia is that they continue to allow the phone companies to cripple their phones. A nokia mp3 capable phone even maintains the itunes playlists. Common Nokia sell the phones directly to the public.
Re:Just deserts. (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Just deserts. (Score:4, Informative)
Until Ipod holds a 90% or larger share and they use that to illegally force people out of ANOTHER marketplace, you really dont know what you are talking about.
Um, the iPod has been hovering above and below that number for a while. Kinda Legitimate Proof [pcmag.com].
Re:Ironic dichotomy of Apple's Family Values (Score:5, Informative)
I don't think this is likely to be a concern anyway. There's a clear parallel with Nintendo's case where reproducing their logo was necessary for interoperability, and although it's never gone to court, the same applies to browser vendors' user-agent strings, including Apple's. Apple's Safari browser claims to be Mozilla in its user-agent string for interoperability purposes. It's hard to see how that differs from what Palm are doing.
Re:What does this get them? (Score:5, Informative)
People of European descent who live or lived in what's now called the United States of America have been calling themselves Americans since long before there was a United States thereof and were widely known as such in Europe. They saw no reason to change that after they defeated what was then the most powerful military state in the world largely because:
1. They were used to referring to themselves as Americans.
2. "United Statesians" didn't exactly roll off the tongue.
Any other conjecture, theory or wild-assed guess relating to residents of the United States "appropriating" the term American is utter nonsense.
Re:What Palm is doing is skanky (Score:1, Informative)
Who cares? What are they going to do about it? They have no power to stop them.
Amazing how the Apple zealots come out for DRM and such when someone tries to compete with Apple.
Re:Ironic dichotomy of Apple's Family Values (Score:4, Informative)
No, safari says its a mozilla compatible browser called Safari. And IE does roughly the same thing.
They don't say 'Hey, I am mozilla the browser' the say 'hey, I'm a mozilla compatible browser called: Safari version 4.0.112512, using WebKit 1.0.x' or whatever version it happens to be at the time.
The pre on the other hand says 'Hey, I'm an iPod!'
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:4, Informative)
...but nearly every other operating system software company is out of business or going that way. And when Apple allowed clones to run Mac OS, they lost market share.
Apple's business model of using software to support their own hardware sales works well for them. There's no reason for them to change.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:5, Informative)
I tend to take URLs that have a /pr/ in them with a spoonful of salt.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:1, Informative)
Takes ages importing files; can't refresh when you add new files or update an mp3 tag, you need to reimport everything (if there is a way of doing it, the interface is so bad I can't find it). Often locks up doing stuff for no apparently reason. Non-standard interface. Can't cope with reading from filenames, so files have to be tagged in order to use them.
I prefer a program that Just Works.
The only "holy war" action is that I'll probably get modded down for saying something critical of Apple's software.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:4, Informative)
What's ages? It'll take a fraction of a second per file. But it is scanning the file to set a normal playback level. If you want you can switch that off, and it;l be the same speed as your other app that doesn't have that feature.
Nonsense. Of course it refreshes. Perhaps you are trying to drop a file into it's directory structure and imagine it'll notice. That's not the way it works. You drag songs directly into the app.
Ah, you must be a Windows user. It appears you're talking about an early Windows version. It now uses all the usual WIndows widgets.
You mean it displays the name of the song from the ID3 tag, rather than the name of the song. Yes, it does if the ID3 tag is there, otherwise it'll parse the filename for the song title. So YES it can cope with files that aren't yet tagged.
That's iTunes.
Re:Sometimes Apple still thinks too much like a... (Score:3, Informative)