Leopard Early Adopters Suffer For The Rest of Us 461
News.com tallies up the minor annoyances early adopters have experienced dealing with the newest version of OS X. From a change in folder design to install issues, and beyond to lack of support for Java 6, Mac users have had more to grumble about than usual in the last week. Just the same, the article notes, there have been no major problems and (compared to other OS launches) Leopard kicked off fairly well. "Let's give thanks to the early adopters, however masochistic they may be. You can do all the QA in the world before releasing an operating system, and it's not going to compare to what happens when the unwashed masses get their hands on the product. Microsoft's Windows Vista had years of developer releases, and was released to manufacturing several weeks before it went on sale to the general public. Still, compatibility problems cropped up because it's extremely difficult to anticipate what people are running, and in what combination. It's easier for Apple because it tightly controls its hardware and software, and because there are fewer potential combinations in the wild, but it's still a Herculean task."
No real problems here (Score:4, Informative)
My experiences (Score:5, Informative)
One install went very smoothly (though Leopard does run slowly at first due to Spotlight indexing everything again).
The other install ran into two separate problems. Firstly, I got the Blue Screen freeze (solution - reboot to single user mode and delete APE). Secondly, the Finder would hang on launch (solution - bring up a terminal and remove the divx support library).
Both of these I resolved fairly quickly with a google search, but the solution each time would be worrying to a non-technical user.
So What (Score:3, Informative)
That's what happens. I installed Leopard on day 1. And I'm happy.
The only issue I've run into that is of any importance is that junk mail filtering on Mail seems to have stopped working for me. I don't know if it won't kick in until it has seen X number of messages or such, but it's starting to annoy me. The setting are all right. It is supposed to listen to the headers my ISP sends (SpamAssassin, which worked before). But nothing gets moved into Junk if I don't do it manually. Starting to bug me.
It's a tiny bug considering all they did. By and large, I'm happy. The only other thing I'd like is to be able to live-resize disks with a DOS partition format (instead of Mac). You can't do that.
The good outweighs the bad (Score:5, Informative)
My friends and I were both worried we'd have to actually go back to Tiger, but I've adapted quite quickly to the changes and find the overall experience dramatically improved. The speed increases are downright monumental; using spotlight is actually a viable idea now!
--Ted
Re:My experiences (Score:1, Informative)
So far, so good. (Score:5, Informative)
Overall, I'm happy that I installed it. I am particularly pleased with Time Machine, which is far more convenient and intuitive than my current backup system, not to mention the additional safety of having hourly backups. I'm also beginning to use the built-in virtual desktop feature. I'd say that these two features are worth the price of admission
I'm not crazy about the esthetics. They certainly are no improvement, but they are not terrible. I'm giving the glitzy new Dock a chance--I've even put it down at the bottom of the screen for a while to see if I'll warm to it (I'm used to making it very small and stashing it over on the right). I have my doubts about the value of the feature that pops up icons of the files associated with a Dock item. I think I preferred the old list method, but I never used that much. I'm using the Finder again a bit, although I still prefer Path Finder for most actions.
Overall, I'd say it was a successful roll-out.
Re:Java complainers (Score:3, Informative)
Like I said, it's in Fedora 8, which is shipping any day now. If OSX actually had dedicated java developers, they'd be all over this, and they'd have their JDK just about ready, too. You don't have to be a developer to help out with a port. If you can run java programs and fill out good bug reports, then you can be a big help. If OSX supposedly has so many dedicated users, they should be able to pull this off in a snap! If RedHat can do it...
My name is Raven, and I'm an early adopter (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Other OS releases (Score:5, Informative)
From what I've seen on the issue, it appears that Logitech installed an ancient version of APE as part of one of their driver bundles, and so there were a fair number of people with said ancient APE lying around on their drives without their ever realizing it.
X11 Server is totally broken (Score:5, Informative)
Very smooth. Snappy. (Score:3, Informative)
It lies about the install time - my quoted 1.5 hrs turned into actual 35 min (no languages, no printers no dev tools).
Zero install issues.
The unified UI is a standout feature.
Coverflow+Quicklook together are a standout feature.
Data detectors - wonderful. iCal is now a serious calendaring app. We're almost back to Newton functionality
Spaces is a standout feature. Almost makes Expose needless.
I get FrontRow and PhotoBooth.
Classique c'est mort, but we knew that.
Spotlight indexing is the same as any previous install, the app is far better.
The Dock and Menubar look great with the space-y "defaultdesktop" pic - light desktops not so much, I can see where there are issues.
Re:Installed for 5 days (Score:2, Informative)
I have yet to try it though, as I don't have Leopard.
Pay closer attention (Score:4, Informative)
Re:The good outweighs the bad (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:I'm waiting for more reports... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:My name is Raven, and I'm an early adopter (Score:4, Informative)
First and foremost, if you haven't seen it already, check out the mod someone did to the dock to make it "rainbow glass". (The rainbow effect might not be your thing, but you can use slight variations of what they did to change it to any color of "tinted glass" you like, making it much easier to see.)
http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=516253&posted=1 [mac-forums.com]
If you want a non-transparent top menu bar, see here:
http://www.manytricks.com/blog/?id=10 [manytricks.com]
I agree on Time Machine.... It's very cool, overall, but needs a little more work. (For example, Apple's solution to incompatibilities with their Aperture application is to exclude Aperture's photo database from your backups. Great... so if I'm a pro photographer, Time Machine can't even back up the most important data on my whole system for me?) It also needs a fix (supposedly coming soon) to allow using a shared disk off an Apple Airport Extreme router.
Re:The good outweighs the bad (Score:3, Informative)
They also haven't got WINS working yet - as in 10.4 there's a place to enter the server IP (not the name, oddly) but it still only uses broadcast to find the machine so can't find the machines in the other subnet even though the wins server (and all the windows and linux boxes) have no issues finding them.
Re:My experiences (Score:3, Informative)
Thus, non-technical users may well have APE installed, even if they didn't explicitly install it themselves.
Re:X11 Server is totally broken (Score:5, Informative)
The mailing list is providing links to binaries to download and use instead. The list of fixed items stands at this currently (from the mailing list emails):
* X11 windows do not come to the front
* Yellow / invisible cursor on Intel platform
* Unable to drag windows between screens
* X11 apps don't "honor" the menu bar (meaning you can drag them underneath)
* Badly-formatted
* Customized Apps menu items with arguments did not work
* Modifier keys (shift, control, etc) would get stuck if you switch away from X11 while holding down the key. ?If you still see this problem with anything other than Spaces (which is an entirely more complicated problem), please let me know.
* "Fake mouse button" fix ?-- Option-click should now emulate the middle mouse button, while Command-click should emulate the right mouse button
* stability fixes (added -DROOTLESS_WORKAROUND and fixed overflow bug with QueryFontReply)
Basically with these patched X11.app is again usable in Leopard unless you use Spaces. He asked help from the community to see places where the offset bug may be because he will soon have a meeting with those devs. Rarely have we had such an amazing opportunity to have this connection with the engineers inside Apple. Also Ben wrote an email today saying basically that he had spent a month trying to get full screen X working and he needs help from the community.
Personally I am glad we finally we are in a position to determine when and how we will have a modern and useful X server on Mac OS X.
Re:Hasn't Been That Bad (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Early Adoption (Score:4, Informative)
The fact that the current code-base of Vista has been in development for 7 years is a myth. This gives Vista the same time-frame Leopard had. Yes, it was stupid of Microsoft that they ended up in such a hole that they had to scrape all their work.
Directory Services (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Other OS releases (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Why so moderate? (Score:5, Informative)
I've yet to hear someone defend the problematic firewall.
OK, here you go! Start with this surprisingly level-headed thread [arstechnica.com] over in the ArsTechnica forums. The c't article [heise-security.co.uk] seems to have been written by people with a limited understanding of nmap and an axe to grind. The bottom line is the functionality Leopard firewall is no different from the one in Tiger, except that it adds a third setting which allows exceptions for ports to be added on-the-fly as applications request them. I do agree that the firewall should come enabled by default, but at least OS X has a very small number of open ports out-of-the-box, which mitigates the issue. But regardless, the hysteria over Leopard's firewall is unwarranted.
Re:My name is Raven, and I'm an early adopter (Score:5, Informative)
I wrote a simple program that mmaps a 2GB file and scans through quickly modifying each page in turn in a tight loop. This means that you are basically reading in and then writing out 2GB of data via the page fault handler. On Tiger, the entire system would freeze if you tried this. On Leopard, it slowed down a bit, but was still useable. This test program grew to use about 1.45GB of my 2GB of RAM, but even with only 512MB left for other programs (and I was running about a dozen of them) and constant page faults from this process the system was still useable. There was a little lag, but it was not anywhere near as bad as I've seen Tiger get.
Re:Java complainers (Score:3, Informative)
Historically, Java releases on OS X have not been aligned exactly with updates to the OS as this timeline [stuffthathappens.com] shows. Yeah, it would be great if Apple would announce an estimated release date for Java6 on Leopard, but it would have been the wrong decision to delay Leopard in order to get Java6 finished for inclusion.
Leopard won't play with non-Mac cups print servers (Score:5, Informative)
Another problem is that it's now a lot less obvious how to connect Leopard to an LDAP server other than OS X's OpenDirectory or ActiveDirectory, which are the only two options that appear in the Directory Utility app. Rather than doing things the obvious way, you have to use the services tab, click on LDAPv3, then edit, and then add your server and specify the server type. Definitely a step backwards, kind of like how Vista's wireless setup got a lot harder over XP.
Finder hang after install, and a solution (Score:3, Informative)
Since I got that out of the way the system has been running amazingly well.
Spotlight is so much faster, and I like the way it shows "All Results" as a Finder search. Much better.
The Translation widget is much better!
Spaces is nice, but I want more: Named spaces and per-space desktop backgrounds, to name two wishes.
The new Network prefpane is just about perfect.
The new Finder is much, much better. And QuickLook is already indispensable.
The new Safari is excellent - and so fast! Oddly the Next Window shortcut (Command-`) is gone. Doesn't seem to work properly in the Finder either, hmm...
Time Machine: Haven't tried it yet.
Tabs in Terminal!
Font rendering seems to be improved throughout the system. Much sharper. And automatic font activation... it's about time!
GrowlMail isn't working... *snif*
PubSub wants my keychain password again.
iChat screen sharing is great! I tried it over Bonjour at home. Very nice. However, it took two tries before my requests would pop up on the target machine.
Stacks aren't very pretty. I don't like the concatenated file names. I'm glad Apple added a ~/Downloads folder though.
Icon previews in the Finder aren't very useful. What good is a 16x16 PDF preview in column view? I'd rather see the application document icons most of the time so I know which app opens them.
Cover Flow is cool, but too touchy with my scroll wheel. Some kind of acceleration algorithm - like mouse motion - would help here. I'm not sure how much I'll be using Cover Flow view.
Where do I set the default View Options for columns, icons, list...? Finder views are still somewhat confusing, but then most of the time I just keep two column-view Finder windows open and work with those. Not often do I double-click a folder on the desktop or elsewhere to open it up to its own view.
Still no native support for AVI files. No QuickLook for AVIs.
Rounded corners on menus are pretty nice looking.
Overall I find the system faster and much improved. I look forward to playing with XCode 3 next!
Re:Early Adoption (Score:5, Informative)
- 10.0: Mar 24 - Apr 14 (22 days)
- 10.1: Sep 25 - Nov 13 (49 days)
- 10.2: Aug 23 - Sep 18 (26 days)
- 10.3: Oct 24 - Nov 10 (17 days)
- 10.4: Apr 29 - May 16 (17 days)
To compare, I looked up Microsoft's track record with SP1 here:
- 95: Aug 24 - Dec 31 (130 days)
- 98 ("SE"): Jun 25 - May 5 (315 days)
- ME: no second edition (but made PC World's "Top 25 Worst Tech Products")
- 2000: Feb 17 - Aug 15 (181 days)
- XP: Oct 25 - Sep 9 (320 days)
- Vista: Nov 8 - 2008Q1? (~60-180 days)
I'm a Debian user, so I appreciate being able to get fixes the day they're checked in by the developer. But if I had to pick a proprietary system, I'd sure prefer one where the
Re:Early Adoption (Score:3, Informative)
"In 1980, Gartner reported Apple's worldwide share of the computer market at 15.8%"
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/Home/D579148C-8563-4FFB-8E97-C2613215F98E.html [roughlydrafted.com]
http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/total-share.ars/4 [arstechnica.com] - look at the chart at the bottom of the page. Apple was 3rd in sales after Commodore and Atari from 1980-84 (the years the chart covers). The chart on the next page from 84-87 also has Commodore and Atari ahead of Apple too.
While you may be closer on the education side because of Apple's educational discounts, there are a far more number of homes than there are schools. Even if they had 100% of the education market it still would have been less total market share than the others.