What Do You Want In iPhone 2.0? 436
Ian Lamont writes "The predictions about the iPhone being a bust have so far been way off the mark, but that doesn't mean the device is perfect. Besides the dependence on the AT&T Edge network and the lack of an iPhone SDK, there are a boatload of UI, software and hardware issues that should be addressed in the next-generation iPhone. Some complaints include GPS functionality, allowing iPhones to be used as hard drives, adding RSS support, and turning auto-correct into auto-complete. What would you want to see in the next generation of iPhone?"
I don't want much more (Score:5, Informative)
1. Native iChat functionality
2. Ability to tether the device
3. Some level of copy and paste.
4. Ability to clear all SMS conversations
That's about it.
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Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Informative)
Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Interesting)
That's the excuse Jobs is giving you, yes. Of course, when the iPhone inevitably gets HSDPA, the extra power usage will be glossed over ("We knew consumers wouldn't be satisfied with a mere 7 hrs talk time instead of 8, so we intentionally limited its capabilities.").
Funny how battery life on 3G just isn't that big an issue on other phones. Personally, I'd rather have the choice, and just switch back to GSM if I need the extra life. But that's not really the Apple way, is it?
Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Informative)
"The only gripe I have about this device is the poor battery performance.
"I'm very disappointed with the battery life on my 8525, especially compared to the 8125.
"The battery on the htc tytn sucks,
"However when I am using the built-in wireless extensively, when I am traveling, or when I am not able to recharge at some point during the day, I have noticed a definite need for a backup power solution."
IOW, battery life under 3G would appear to be a "bit" of an issue...
Barnum's Corollary (Score:3, Insightful)
The Reality Distortion Field is in full effect then I see.
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Re:I don't want much more (Score:4, Insightful)
Further, I think you should check out AT&T's 3G coverage [att.com]. Until their network gets a MAJOR set of upgrades, having 3G on the phone isn't going to do you a lot of good.
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#1) Does it work well as a phone ?
#2) Does it work well as a phone ?
#3) Does it work
Re:I don't want much more (Score:4, Informative)
Don't you mean fourth?
Re:I don't want much more (Score:4, Interesting)
#2) Does it work well as a phone ?
#3) Does it work well as a phone ?
Precisely and the thing that was actually amazing about the iPhone is that it is the first PDA phone that has not been a half baked POS. I have had a Blackberry, an iPaq and a Treo. They all suck. They crash, they drop connections, they are unreliable. The Treo is a vast improvement on the iPaq but its still a POS.
The iPhone on the other hand is competently engineered and actually works. What would it take for me to buy one?
For me to buy one for my personal use it would have to be really, really good. It would have to be good enough for me to carry a second phone around with me for a start. If it had GPS capability and I could use it to auto-navigate in the car that would make me buy it. In fact I would even buy one if there was a GPS adaptor kit available that I could fit in the car and then plug the iPhone in when I am driving the car without a GPS.
For the phone to be acceptable as a work phone it would have to meet two particular requirements. First it has to synch with Exchange email and calendar, either natively or through a third party plug in like Goodmail. Second the email capability must provide for a 'reset' facility in the case that the phone is reported lost or stolen. Without that capability I can't use the phone for work.
Those 'must have' items apart, I would like to be able to use my iPhone as a remote control for arbitrary devices in my home. I would also like to be able to use it as a one time password token.
Another very nice to have feature would be to be able to use the iPhone as a VOIP phone when in range of a suitable WiFi source. I doubt that will be an option until sometime after the AT&T exclusive deal expires though.
My list of nice to have is not actually very long, I don't want my phone to do absolutely everything. I don't even care about having a camera on my phone. But I certainly would like to see the way phones are sold change so that instead of having to buy the phone through my network provider I buy the phone and then decide what network to use it on. I want to see the phone become a commodity communications device.
If that happens then instead of having one phone and many batteries I would be just as happy taking a second phone with me on a trip. If one phone goes flat I switch to the other. I should be able to receive calls from either my home number or my 'mobile' number when I am out of the house and the phone should be able to reconfig itself to my wife's preferences if she needs to use it when I am out.
Instead of buying one phone per person I buy one for every room that currently has a telephone handset.
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Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Free of AT&T
2) VOIP, used by default when WiFi is available
3) Designed as an open platform to be modified easily (custom apps, alternative firmware, etc)
Of course, that will never happen.
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(b.t.w. that means: Skype over WiFi, bluetooth mesh networks, end-to-end encryption, openfirmware, and general hackability. your phone should work for you, not against you)
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Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Informative)
1. Native iChat functionality
4. Ability to clear all SMS conversations
That's about it.
Not sure I can help with the last two, but check out all of what apptap can do. Make sure you install "summerboard" so you can scroll your main screen once you get too many icons to display on one page. You'll also want to add "community sources" so you can have more stuff to choose from. The list increases a couple times a day.
Re:I don't want much more (Score:5, Insightful)
6) cut/paste
7) Categorize contacts/memos
8) task list
9) Scientific calculator mode
10) Bluetooth GPS profile
11) A2DP Bluetooth profile
Re:I don't want much more (Score:4, Funny)
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Errr, yeah, GPS is just what it needs... (Score:3, Interesting)
MMS outdated (Score:2)
Plus I can email anyone a photo, you can't necessarily MMS just anyone.
Why not ask for video capture instead? That makes a lot more sense.
Well, for one... (Score:2, Funny)
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Seriously though, the built in battery only really works when the device itself is a consumable, most poeple use their phones the two years and toss them before the battery goes completely flat and they get a new phone. These phones though are next to free and can be considered consumable to the masses. The higher tech devices on the other hand are not. Think people replace their PDAs and (non appl
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Step out of the Blackberry crap if synching a new phone is a PITA for you. I just enter username and password along with servername and all my stuff shows up over my phone without the need for a tether. ActiveSync is great. All my tasks, contacts, emails get transferred. My music and work files I keep on an SD card. My laptop has a card reader so it's mighty convenient.
You're point is well made though about removable batteries being a must along with a proper SDK. I still have reservations about a touchscr
Easy answer (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Easy answer (Score:5, Insightful)
How do you like your open-source TV? Is your open-source refrigerator working for you? And your open-source car is doing fine, I trust?
Surely you didn't buy closed-source versions of these products... that would suggest you are not a serious technical person.
Open stuff is good (Score:3, Insightful)
Decent (3G) connection would also go a long way, replaceable battery, SIM...
The thing is locked down it's ridiculous. But people stillbuy them...
The perfect OS (Score:4, Funny)
The perfect response (Score:2)
F U.
Exchange Active Sync Support (Score:2)
Really? (Score:5, Interesting)
Here's the thing: Apple, and Steve Jobs, will do exactly what they want and nothing more. We may get iChat support, we may get video at some point, but we're probably not getting an official SSH client. We're probably not getting VOIP, even though Apple has made obvious their disdain for the cell industry.
Once a product is launched, Apple tends to make small, incremental improvements. I don't see the iPhone 2.0 as a huge step up. In his "Steve Takes Europe" tour, the timelines for a 3G iPhone seem to be pointing more towards the end of next year, not sooner.
Be happy with your iPhone now. I won't be getting one, but that's okay. But I *am* done thinking about the iPhone, because for me it really is short of the mark. I'm in love with the interface, the form factor, and the degree to which Apple was able to think very differently than the rest of the industry. But, Apple's self-imposed product limitations are too annoying for me. It's just not going to be the device I really want.
It really only needs two things (Score:5, Insightful)
1) SDK
2) Uncrippled Bluetooth.
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But, Apple's self-imposed product limitations are too annoying for me. It's just not going to be the device I really want.
Apple's device definitely takes the Smartphone concept one step forward, and certainly Apple put no limits on certain features. So what are these sale-killing features that you want? Your post would have been much more useful if you had made it constructive, rather than leaving this "big gap" of issues you have that you don't mention.
As for what I'd like to see in the next iPhone:
- More storage capacity. Apple went with the "smartphone music" model for storage, where the marketing says "it plays music", bu
Voice dialing (Score:2, Informative)
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Voice Synthesizer/Modulator (Score:5, Funny)
Options must include:
Barry White
Liz Hurley
Megatron
Gary Coleman
Jerry Lewis
R2D2
Bobcat Goldthwait
Herve Villavechaize
Smeagol (post-ring)
I'd switch to AT&T for that.
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Developers! Developers! Developers! (Score:2, Interesting)
A Theory (Score:3, Interesting)
Probably just a fantasy, but it sure would be nice.
WiFi Only Mode... (Score:2)
There are two reasons I didn't get an IPhone a couple days ago:
The first is "all need landscape entry", as mentioned in the article.
The second is "WiFi Only mode": When out of AT&T, I don't want it to transmit data over the cell network, only on the WiFi. There is "airplane mode" (no net) and "no wifi mode", but there is no "no cell" mode that I was able to find in 15 minutes of trying with a demo unit.
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A lot of the other complaints I see have also already been addressed by third party native apps (no iChat? There are already some nice AIM clients out there, in active development).
Now if Apple would just support a real SDK and get out of their absurd mentality, we'd get even better, more well-supported third party apps. Nobody I
Short list. (Score:5, Interesting)
- SW: WiFi SIP phone application that I can use with any SIP provider.
- SW: Dev kit. (Partly so I can implement/port these if Apple or "official 3rd party developer" doesn't.)
- HW: HSDPA (3G).
- Service: Wireless sync calendar/contacts over WiFi or Edge/3G.
I was one of the naysayers, but I ended up buying one of the $300 4GB models a couple weeks back to try it out. Now, it's "from my cold dead hands." Web browsing and email on the iPhone are simply leaps and bounds better than what I had on my Samsung Blackjack.
Physical keyboard w/ 2nd battery (Score:2)
You can already use an external battery (Score:2)
It would be cool if they would support external Bluetooth keyboards, but really if they'd just support rotated keyboards in all applications that would be plenty good enough for me.
What would be cool is an external keyboard that also displayed keys dynamically, but on a larger scale...
BlackBerry Ad (Score:2, Insightful)
Mike Lazaridis' view on the 'essence' of the blackberry is that a core team designed and engineered every aspect of the product. The integrated full-picture approach led to the difficult to duplicate product. This seems very close to Apple's design philosophy. In the blackberries it's led to lots of proposed features tested by employees using prototypes. Which ideas were (or weren't) successful is often surprising. So we can list lots
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Features Wanted (Score:2)
1. Java - I can't believe this phone doesn't have it.
2. Flash - It may have it, so if so then remove this one.
3. 3G network speed
4. Ability to buy songs on 3G network.
5. Easy sync with Google applications - Calendar, Contacts etc. It sucks now.
6. Todo list. Perhaps it has one but I haven't found it yet.
7. Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
8. Warranty if the phone gets damaged.
9. Warranty if the p
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3G - WiFi is faster, EDGE is OK. I've not really missed 3G and EDGE has had good coverage as far as I have seen.
Ability to buy songs on 3G network. We'll have to see how the implementation works out, perhaps you'll be able to sample/buy but not download on ED
How about true multi-OS support? (Score:2)
Help design your own (Score:2)
More space (Score:2)
This means that I'm going to require it meet the (modest by today's standards) requirement of at least 20 GB of space that was their top of the line 2nd Gen. Moving it up into something far more current would be nice (I barely have enough room now) but until I can
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Maybe it's just not something that can technologically be done at the present, but that just means that they should be focusing on what they can do properly, rather than cramming in something that can't.
For $600, again? (Score:5, Funny)
-Rick
trustworthiness, crypto (Score:2)
lame article, fit for Digg only (Score:4, Informative)
Several of these "things to fix" are things that only third parties can accomplish, several more require entirely new hardware, and most of the rest are already slated to appear when Leopard comes out. At the very least, the article could differentiate between things requiring new hardware, and things that could be 'fixed" on the original iPhone.
For software related issues, it's hardly worth talking about until Leopard is out as it's pretty clear at this point that the iPhone was originally intended to be released in a post-Leopard world and is not "all that it was meant to be" at the moment. For hardware related stuff, GPS, G3, better camera, and second camera are too obvious to really mention (over and over again).
Ho-hum (yawns)
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iChat!! (Score:2)
Let me count the ways... (Score:2)
1) Haptic response (specifically for the keyboard)
2) Stereo bluetooth
3) Swappable battery
4) Geolocation (GPS, AGPS, tower triangulation, celestial navigation for all I care)
5) Non-AT&T
6) Use accelerometers for more than just view rotation...maybe press and hold home button for pan and zoom
7) Video recording
Most of these could be (or *are being*) accomplished with:
8) SDK for third party drivers/applications (solves 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, and
Annotate pdf files using a stylus (Score:2)
what I'd like to see right now (Score:2)
And copy and paste function would be nice along with the tilting/sideview for the email function like safari.
Any one have any solutions for the SMS problem? I hear you can use websites, but you gotta pay. What a pain...
Multi-Touch Pong (Score:2)
Also:
1. The ability to delete a screenful of emails at once.
2. Bluetooth headset battery level display in menu bar.
3. Ability to turn off EDGE roaming. (This will be in 1.1.1, so I hear.)
4. Higher resolution!! 160dpi is just enough to make me wish it were 240dpi..
5. Voice-dialing, 3G, GPS, 32GB, WHUXGA [wikipedia.org], and WTFOMGBBQ!
-Ben
Features. (Score:2)
2. Play music and or other audio through a bluetooth headset. Not just through bluetooth headphones. I wish I could listen to my sprint TV through the blue tooth headset.
3. Not on AT&T
4. Hight speed access.
5. tethering by cable and bluetooth.
6. bluetooth syncing.
7. SDK.
8. Allow you to use it mass storage.
9. Allow you to use it as a display for your iPod Classic.
10. Support UWB USB.
11. Sync calande
Open API (Score:2)
Here in the UK, we expect the following... (Score:2)
Sorry, I forgot to insert some HTML line breaks. (Score:2)
I am a nokia person, but have ideas (Score:2)
1. user accessible battery
2. network independence
3. SDK or at least a scripting language ported with access to all functions, camera sms, and even be able to script what happens if XY calls.,,,
Then I would consider one. Why ?
Well I went with the e65 Nokia, a very nice (I thought) business phone with a close to iPhone price tag (at least here)
but nokia lately puts crap out
-Nokia dropped voice dial tags (seems in all 3rd gen S60 - you cannot record them, but now there is voice recognition that does not work a
No Phone (Score:2)
How about... (Score:2)
Wireless sync (unless it's already in now
!AT&T (Score:2)
Since AT&T doesn't cover where I live, I guess I'd have to say compatibility with another carrier. Until then it could offer unlimited free music and movie downloads and it'd still be useless for me.
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wish list (Score:2)
2. GPS
3. Apple-authorized 3rd party apps
4. Bluetooth keyboard capability
5. Java
6. Bluetooth stereo headset
7. Voice dialing
8. Flash
9. EDGE is fine, but more speed would be nice--but only if it doesn't compromise size or battery life.
a few things... (Score:2)
Better Mail.app integration
Keep my folders and rules synced with Mail.app, and keep track of which messages I've read whether I did it on the iPhone or on my MacBook.
Select, Delete, Copy, and Paste
Other people have said it but this would be huge.
Open a bookmark folder in 'tabs'
The ability to open all of the pages (or RSS feeds) in different tabs is a great feature of the desktop Safari, and should be carried over to the iPhone's Safari.
Consistent handling of orientation
For some reason,
Few things needed to make a Palm PDA killer (Score:5, Insightful)
- Few key *NATIVE* apps that I can't or don't want to replace with a web-based app: Let's face it, EDGE or wireless networking isn't good enough everywhere to completely depend on for frequently used apps. I want a local password manager app. I want a multiprotocol IM client. I want ability to record voice and video clips. I want a global search function. I want a draw/paint/notepad app where I can draw things like I do on cocktail napkins. I want a *REAL* todo app that ties into my calendar. I really miss my car maintenance/gas mileage app.
- mail app. Make email able to open any audio/video attachments with "itunes" multimedia player. Give me per-email account config options for # of messages to download, how many to keep. How about download and keep all messages until free ram less than X? Need ability to search email subject, to:, and email body.
- Integration features: I want my phone to "guess" my location based on cell towers, wifi access points and show a 'you are here' in Google Maps. I want to be able to select text from a webpage, and have the option of emailing the text with a link to source page to anyone in my address book. I want to be able to enter a phone number in the "location" field for a meeting and be able to touch the number on a meeting reminder and have the iphone dial my meeting number.
- Sync: Please oh please, let me sync my calendar with Google Calendar and Google contacts - I'd like to be able to do it wired or wirelessly. Add support in iTunes for syncing with Mozilla Sunbird. Add support for syncing with multiple calendar sources that have different sync locations and rules -- let my sync my work calendar and have events show up in red. Let me sync my personal calendar and have events show up in blue. Let me be able to toggle viewing my wife's personal calendar on and off as I wish and have it show up in a different color. Let me schedule events for multiple calendars. Please also add support for syncing with Palm Desktop. There aren't many good free PIMs on Windows. Outlook blows. Not everyone or every company uses Exchange. I wasted days trying to get 10 years of Palm data into outlook and into my iPhone. In the end, I only got about 80% of it over. That's a tragedy -- Apple should make it trivial for a Palm user to switch to iPhone with all their data.
- Browser: Flash, Flash, Flash... oh and bluetooth printing support
- Remote access: If you don't open up the iPhone, at least give us a multipurpose remote access app. I want to choose from the following options: 1) text-based ssh console, 2) RDP client that support multi-touch screen scaling and screen tilting, 3) VNC client that supports multi-touch screen scaling and positioning
- Hardware enhancements: Bluetooth - give me a tiny, foldable bluetooth keyboard and iphone stand that pairs with the iPhone so I can put it on the desk and type faster. Keyboard folded over should be about same size as iphone. Give us Stereo Bluetooth support and sell a stereo bluetooth headset with a MIC for phone use too (We hate wires). Keep larger flash drive capacities coming. Keyboard slider might make an interesting device - I won't be typing any novels on my current iPhone.
- Provide a *FREE* SDK for 3rd party development. Don't force me to jump ship to a gphone in 1 year. Let me hack my iPhone without worrying about Apple updates needing me to "reformat" my device and resync all my data. Come on, now!
- iTunes - let me grab new podcasts wireless and sync up info when I sync with itunes
Did I mention native, multiprotocol IM client? Oh, well let me mention it again. Let me specify my own XMPP/jabber servers too so I can connect with my corporate IM servers.
Lastly, one app I re
Some simple UI wishes... (Score:3, Insightful)
(2) Copy notes between Mac/PC and the iPhone
(3) Make locations in Google Maps save able
(4) Song controls in CoverFlow
(5) On-off switch for auto-correction. It's really good for English, but try to type a French/German/Italian message. Oh, yeah, international keyboards. Some of us are fluent in more than one language.
Other than that, kick AT&T to offer a non-extortionist international data plan.
IRdA (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps a not-so-expensive feature would be IRdA like the palm has. Then you could run it as a universal TV remote control and also car door unlocker. Oh, if they could partner with the auto companies to have it open your car door and also start your car, well that would be cool. Speaking of cars, if they could stream music from the phone to the car stereo like iTunes can with the Airport Express/Extreme, that would be helpful in getting rid of all these horrible FM transmitter gizmos that always suffer conflicts with existing stations.
Seth
my list (Score:3, Interesting)
Let's start... (Score:3, Interesting)
But here's some of the things my crappy old phone can do, that the iPhone can't:
I shouldn't have to give up these features. Tethering (the ability to connect to the Internet from my laptop through the phone) is the dealbreaker; I use that all the time. I can understand the battery issue, and I should be able to work around it by connecting an external battery pack (I've seen these for other phones; I don't know if one is available for the iPhone yet, but it's not exactly complicated).
Beyond that? I'm sure 3G is coming. GPS would be nice, so I don't have to enter my current location when using Google Maps, especially after I've made a wrong turn and I don't really know where I am. Copy and paste would be helpful. And I really desperately want an SSH client.
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Oh yeah, and after getting burned by the 3G iPod battery, I'm not getting anything Apple again unless it comes with user replacable battery.
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That being said, it's also a brick, so I use it twice a month.
That's funny... (Score:5, Interesting)
Funny, the lack of a software keyboard or renewed form of Jot was the reason I never purchased a Treo.
After you use a virtual keyboards, and you find that it changes to symbols that make sense for the context you are in... I never ever want to go back to a real keyboard. Even desktop keyboards I find annoying in the rigidity they offer, especially when playing games.
UNIX apps? Already got 'em.
Graffiti 2 (Score:2)
I'm so glad I still have my old Palm III, Graffiti 1 was good. Although I'm quite fond of the Fitaly keyboard now.
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How about the OpenMoko? I figure that they could use $100 to advance development on that hardware/software.
Speaking of which, what does the iPhone have that the OpenMoko doesn't have (or won't have when they do the v2 release)? What needs to be done to get people to choose the OpenMoko over the iPhone?
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That being said, even if we aren't going to do development work, by buying Apple's hardware we're supporting Apple, not those people producing open hardware. If the iPhone were being sold at cost, it would be a different story, but I'm pretty sure that Apple is making a pretty penny on the hardware.
This is why all us geeks on Slashdot should:
Buy the OpenMoko -- it's got open-specs on the hardware and software.
Buy AMD chips -- AMD
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I find the music I want in my library, drag it to the iPod icon on the side, and drop.
You can do that, you know. "Syncing" is only optional.
Battery door, native SDK, unlocked (Score:2, Insightful)
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The iPhone has a proximity sensor specifically to prevent that. It's not Apple's fault if your friend is using a poorly designed case that blocks the proximity sensor.... Either that or your friend has a defective iPhone---I couldn't tell you which. I've never experienced that on my iPhone.
In my experience, false button presses are much more likely to occur on button-based phones than on the iPhone.
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In terms of audio output... I've used it with some speaker setups designed for it, and while I see the "this device wasn't meant for use with X, go to Airplane mode?" dialog, everything still works... as far as I can tell, it's them saying "uhh, you're going to get lots of weird GSM-ish staticky noise that this isn
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How about the ability to use it in the huge areas of the country that aren't covered by their one pitiful provider? If I bought one now, it'd be about as functional as an iPod, and I already have one of those...
Oh well. Guess they don't want to sell them to me, my SO, and our three offspring.
Re:be carful (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm not carrying one of these AND my iPod. I want an all-in-one.
Re:be carful (Score:5, Funny)
Well said, sonny!
Now why'd you moderators mod this fine, upstanding young man a "troll"? As can be seen from his subject line, he just wishes all of us to embrace the the principles of carpooling! Frankly, we need more of his kind! None of this mamby-pamby talk about Global Warming, just get out there and make sure your car is full ! This kind of lead-from-the-front can-do attitude is our best bet to lick this yet!
ttapper04, I salute you, Sir!
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