Does the UK iPhone Plan Add Up? 280
An anonymous reader writes "Is it just me or is the UK iPhone deal seriously more expensive than the US deal? If you look at what AT&T offers compared to what O2 offers, you get significantly less for your money in the UK than you do in the States. It's also significantly more expensive than other non-iPhone deals in the UK, which offer similar services. Steve Jobs response to the more expensive UK iPhone is that 'it's more expensive to do business in the UK', but what does that mean? As a UK resident I'm disappointed that we didn't get the same plan as the AT&T plan, particularly the free mobile-to-mobile calls. Is there some element of the UK iPhone service that I'm missing here?"
Cruel Britannia (Score:5, Informative)
You're lucky. (Score:1, Informative)
The Free WiFi makes the WiFi portion useful (Score:5, Informative)
Also the unlimited data usage is probably underestimated. Sure, they say 1400 pages a day, but how big is a web page these days (excluding Flash)? 100KB? That's 140MB a day, which would cost a tonne over here with many other deals.
The talk and text limits are rather poor of course. I pay £10 a month for 500 minutes and 100 texts with Three, so when £35 only has 200 minutes and 200 texts and no phone subsidy you have to worry.
Re:It depends on the provider, has nothing to do w (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Cruel Britannia (Score:3, Informative)
Rule of thumb for traveling to the UK (Score:3, Informative)
Take an item in the US, and it will probably cost the same in GBP in the UK as it does in USD in the US. With the current exchange rate, this means that most items cost a little over twice as much in the UK vis-a-vis the US.
Rip-off Britain (Score:5, Informative)
Because they can.
British consumers have become numbed to paying more for less over the years, so companies clap their hands with glee at the thought of increasing their profit margins by 50% or more over the US for exactly the same product. "Oh, but you use PAL." "Oh, but you use 240 volts AC with three-prong plugs." "Oh, but you have VAT." Always the same excuses, and they're pretty much bullshit - but nobody questions them any more. We've been ground down by decades of being ripped off.
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:5, Informative)
Among other things, as I understand it:
European wireless customers never pay for incoming calls. Calls are charged to the caller, whether the caller is a landline or mobile. U.S. wireless customers pay for all incoming and outgoing calls (well, the calls are deducted from their monthly airtime allowance...), subject to exceptions (mobile-to-mobile on the same carrier, off-peak times)
European wireless customers only pay for outgoing SMS, not incoming. U.S. customers pay for both, with the above voice exceptions often applying to SMS.
Few European wireless carriers offer flat-rate data plans, although their pay-per-kilobyte prices are typically far cheaper than U.S. pay-per-KB prices. U.S. carriers offer exorbitant pay-per-KB prices so that anything but a minimal amount of usage proves to be more expensive than the flat-rate monthly plans. This is the big problem with the iPhone in Europe - as a few other articles have indicated, it was basically designed around an unlimited-data plan and in fact AT&T won't sell you the unit unless you get unlimited data service.
In general, Europeans jumped straight from GPRS to UMTS, skipping EDGE deployment. Bad for iPhone, no UMTS capability.
To make a long story short - comparing pricing between a U.S. carrier and a European carrier is like comparing apples to oranges. It's much easier to compare pricing schemes between U.S. carriers, which all operate on similar principles. (One exception - I get the impression European plans are a much closer match to U.S. prepaid/pay-as-you-go plans, except they are far more reasonably priced. U.S. PAYG plans are massive ripoffs.)
The answer (Score:5, Informative)
It's not called Rip Off Britain [rip-off.co.uk] for nothing you know.
Seriously though, yes our prices include VAT at 17.5% which people often forget to take into account but, even so, there are plenty of products which have such a colossal additional mark-up on them (Windows Vista is twice as expensive which tax and shipping costs cannot explain away) compared to our European and American counterparts that it is hard not to feel cheated.
The Wikipedia article [wikipedia.org] on it is worth reading and notes that these items cost significantly more in the UK:
Unfortunately as we put up with paying those prices, we allow companies to continually screw us.
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:5, Informative)
O2, not Apple (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Try lowering VAT (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Uniform Commercial Code does all of that too. (Score:3, Informative)
A consumer's statutory rights may not be excluded or modified in the UK. A retailer can only grant additional protection to the consumer, NEVER remove a statutory right
US retailers can put up a sign saying: "no returns on sale items." In the UK this is utterly unenforceable. US retailers, as a matter of course, print post-partum conditions of sale on the receipt that they hand you after you have paid for th goods. Again, such clauses are unenforceable, in the UK.
If a retailer offers a 12 month warranty on a product, all that does is simplify your life for 12 months. If you buy, say, a refrigerator and it breaks down 12 months and a day later, British Trading Standards Officers will likely argue that it is reasonable for a fridge to last several years. The 12 month warranty can never mean, under British law, "we wash our hands of the product after 12 months."
Re:Rule of thumb for traveling to the UK (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:1, Informative)
Re:The Free WiFi makes the WiFi portion useful (Score:5, Informative)
£35 is £29.80 without VAT, or $60 for 200m/200t/wifi, or £23.83 / $48 for the 200m/200t only. Also because you don't lose minutes on incoming calls, that's effectively 400m/400t when comparing to the US if you get as many calls as you make. And the contract is 18 months long instead of 24.
The lifetime cost of the iPhone is £269 + £35*18 = £900. That's $1532 taking off tax and translating into US dollars. That compares reasonably very well with the lifetime cost of the iPhone in the states. And you don't need to buy a new iPod.
Apart from that the situations are so different it is pretty pointless to compare the plans.
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Uniform Commercial Code does all of that too. (Score:2, Informative)
Those requirements only apply to sales by traders. Items sold by private individuals only have to be 'as described'.
A particularly active eBay seller might be considered a trader, but people trying to get rid of their old stuff don't need to worry.
Re:Incoming calls are free in the UK (Score:3, Informative)
Re:The EC will love the iPhone (Score:3, Informative)