Mac OS X Leopard is Now Officially Unix 351
An anonymous reader writes "Mac OS X Leopard is now officially Unix, according to the Opengroup." I know everyone out there was really worried about this one. Welcome to the August news vacuum!
I think its a major achievement (Score:5, Interesting)
No Linux? (Score:4, Interesting)
But it doesn't really do hard links? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Doesn't make me want to buy an Apple any more (Score:5, Interesting)
Contrary to popular belief, it is possible to buy an Apple and not have the Apple-chip installed into your brain. I'm living proof. I have a Mac mini which I bought as a family computer for a number of reasons; I wanted a good, usable OS, I couldn't get good CUPS/SANE support for my printer/scanner on Linux, and I wanted the iLife suite to make videos of the pups. The form factor is beautiful, and it's quiet - working within Mrs. Otter's ban on loud, whirring machines in the family room. It wasn't an impulse purchase by any stretch of the imagination (I weighed the decision for about a year). So I've got a Mac - and if that Mac goes, I'd replace it with another because I want those features.
That being said, I run a Slackware server, I have an Ubuntu desktop in my study. I run Kubuntu at work (a non-supported OS). I've even got a Windows machine, thought it stays powered down for months at a time except when I want to check something. I'm planning on a laptop purchase...a Dell with Ubuntu if they can get it together in Canada.
I can get the same specs as a souped up powerbook for about a grand less at Dell. Grandpa Otter's MacBook started flaking out recently, and I'd service the thing if it wasn't Fort Knox to get in. I know what Apple's strengths are, and I know what their weaknesses are, and I've not bought into a cult because they build stuff that does what I want. iLife is a good suite, but iMovie can be kinda unstable. Front Row is cool, but the interface is a bit sparse, and can be unwieldy if you have a lot of media (I do). The price of their computers is very high, and they tend to lag behind in terms of hardware specs. You can't really customize (you can only upgrade), and nothing ever goes on sale. The design of the machines are beautiful. An extra $150 to have it black??? The fact that they try and keep you out of them is very frustrating to a hobbyist like me. OSX is a good OS that's easy to use. I can't believe it's taking them until Leopard to get multiple friggin' desktops. Everything "just works" on a Mac...yeah, except the new headset I bought because the audio-in jack won't work with an unpowered microphone.
See? Apple computer, no Apple chip in the head. It is possible.
You should think differently.
OS X was finally my opportunity to learn UNIX (Score:5, Interesting)
When I bought a Mac (because I wanted something better than Windows), I thought a nice side effect was I would have to learn more about UNIX. I bought a copy of "Learning UNIX for Mac OS X Tiger" and read through most of it. And I'm now very comfortable using the command line for simple things like FTPing, changing file permissions, and modifying simple text files (although I always use PICO because VI just seems like black magic to me).
But you know what? I really don't ever need to "know" that Mac OS X is UNIX. More so than any LINUX or Solaris box I've ever used, the UNIXness of Mac OS X is very nicely hidden -- actually, not "hidden", it's just that since Mac OS X has such a nice UI, and such great apps, I never really need to care about the UNIX underpinnings.
It's quite nice to be able to have your nice UNIX cake, and be able to eat your nice GUI cake too.
Re:Dumb questions (Score:3, Interesting)
The two simplest reasons are that 1) it wasn't ready yet, or 2) there wasn't a demand for it. It seems possible that some large customer needed the "certified Unix!" checkoff for purchasing authorization and this makes it compliant.
Again, you have to start sometime. Apparently Apple felt that this was that time.
Re:I think its a major achievement (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah that was my reaction. I checked on the site to see the list of other certified OS'. Here it is:
Re:So what? It's not even a good PR move. (Score:3, Interesting)
Philosophy and technical details? Do tell. You obviously given it more though than this pfffft "Open Group" mob....
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:4, Interesting)
OSX Terminal is one of the few terminal programs I've used on any OS that dynamically re-wraps existing text in a window if you resize the window. That is very handy. OSX Terminal is otherwise a fairly minimal setup, but it is reliable. I sometimes wish it had tabs, but I generally use screen in any case for session portability, so it's not super critical to me to have elaborate terminal management via the GUI.
Re:I think its a major achievement (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Dumb questions (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:If it meant anything (Score:2, Interesting)
Compared to what?
Re:I know this... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:wasnt MSFT NT Posix-certified? (Score:3, Interesting)
Emulate isn't the right word, either, since the code is native and implemented in an API over the NT kernel. To say this is emulation is like saying WINE is Windows emulation.
I find the tools more useful than the rest of it. I'll take grep over Windows search any day.
Linux, BSD and Unix certification (Score:5, Interesting)
Linux is Linux, it doesn't NEED to be UNIX.
Re:I think its a major achievement (Score:5, Interesting)
so when I install Mac OS 10.5 on my powerbook, it is not Unix?
Re:Thank goodness! (Score:3, Interesting)
Then, on a hajj to Cupertino, I met some of the people on the Terminal.app team, first time I ever encountered terminal geeks. They knew more about the vagaries of escape codes, character sets, and still managed to make term.app one of the slickest cocoa apps around. Plus it integrates nicely with applescript/automator, so with a script and a little SSH+pre-installed keys magic I can open a bunch of terminals that log into remote systems each with a distinct look. As a security geek, it's wonderfully dangerous.
In 10.5, term.app adds tabs and a few other nice features, like better unicode non-ascii support and alternate character sets.
the AC
Re:OS X was finally my opportunity to learn UNIX (Score:3, Interesting)
Nice try, I won't say anything about the GUI and it's monolithic apps as that can be quite subjective, but the low profile of OSXs text UI is due, in part, to their suckage. This might not be visible to someone who only plays with chmod, pico, and ftp (btw, ftp is bad(tm), use ssh instead).
For those who use the terminal more often, Linux offers some distinct advantages
This stuff doesn't have to happen at the expense of the GUI either. My impression has been that Terminal.app is more of an accident than an accepted member of the operating system.