Mac OS X Leopard is Now Officially Unix

An anonymous reader writes "Mac OS X Leopard is now officially Unix, according to the Opengroup." I know everyone out there was really worried about this one. Welcome to the August news vacuum!

I know this...

[Anonymous Coward]

this is unix!

Thank goodness!

[Pope]

I can finally officially launch Terminal.app and not feel dirty!

(hooray for betas :)

Re:Dumb questions

[Delusion_]

Because it's freakin LEOPARD, man. LEOPARD!

Saints preserve us

[pzs]

Does this mean that turtle neck wearing goatie bearded design weenies will start calling themselves Unix geeks?

Peter

Money is taken away from the idiots

[Anonymous Coward]

Open your eyes. Unix as we know and love it is dead. OpenGroup can sell you a Unix certificate, but that it just a word - a piece of paper. They are just taking money away from the idiots. I could also sell you a property on moon and give you a piece of paper for that so that you could go out and brag about it. It's really the same thing. It has no real meaning these days - ask RMS if you don't believe me. This days "Unix" is not the old school "Unix" we all learned and loved and even if it was then so what? Would OSX have been less usable if it never got that Unix certificate??? What REAL VALUE does this bring to OSX users? Care to explain it to me, because I must be stupid, I've only used Unix since 1978! All this stupid theater is only there to fool you nerds to believe Apple has something really unique to offer to you. It's just a clever Apple marketing trick to fool nerds! It has no real value to any one of you! I'm 100% sure about that!

Whos on First

[djdavetrouble]

So CSO now wons Apple? whatever next! (huh??)

No, Next folded and Jobs came over to Apple. Pixar on third.

Re:GNU incompatability

[KH]

Did you forget that GNU is Not Unix?

Re:No Linux?

[danbert8]

You mean Linux doesn't stand for "Linux Is Not Unix"?

Re:I think its a major achievement

[nightcats]

If The Open Group is "making standards work" (TM), then who is Making Work Standard? These are the really big questions that we have long meetings about here in corporate America. These are the things you contemplate when you've finished your third cup of jove and are sitting on the porcelain throne, thinking about death...

and in other news...

[Potent]

And in other news, the Pope is officially Catholic.

Re:No Linux?

[Anonymous Coward]

I think you mean "Linux Is Not Unix, Xavier", as uttered by RMS in the confusing GPLv2-vs.-X-Men crossover

Re:Doesn't make me want to buy an Apple any more

[Professor_UNIX]

I look at all the people coming out of the Apple store when I walk around town during lunch & those people REALLY DON'T CARE, that's for sure, they look like they're in a trance coming out of that store...

Well, if they're anything like me they're probably just contemplating whether or not they can pay off their credit card bill next month after buying a MacBook Pro and AppleCare coverage. "Hmm, if I only make peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for the family I might be able to pay for half of the MacBook Pro this month and half next month... Oh shit, I should really just take it back... oh man, but I'd have to pay a $250 restocking fee... shit. I'm just going to go home and play with it and maybe I'll feel better about my purchase even though my 15" Powerbook was working perfectly fine and was only 2 years old."

At least, that was what was going through my head when my eyes were glossed over and I was trudging to the car with my shiny 15" MacBook Pro in my hand. But hey, can I really call myself an American if I don't have several thousand dollars worth of credit card debt spent on totally expendable consumer electronic devices? I don't think so!

Re:I know this...

[Code Master]

It is a well kept secret that the new Finder of Leopard will have a 3D interface that is navigated by flying through an oil refinery like layout of 3D block buildings...

Linux has no hope, because this is UNIX...

Re:Saints preserve us

[stuntpope]

Only if pony-tailed, sandal-wearing bearded fat guys with rainbow suspenders start calling themselves sensitive artists.

GNU

[AlanCramer]

Damn, GNU is still Not UNIX.....you win this round yet again mac fanboys!

Ask RMS?

[Dystopian Rebel]

It has no real meaning these days - ask RMS if you don't believe me.

Whatever the point you're making, I think would rather believe you than listen to RMS.

Re:OS X was finally my opportunity to learn UNIX

[dbzero]

First rule of unix, never tell anyone you use pico. Second rule of unix, NEVER TELL ANYONE YOU USE PICO! ...

Re:OS X was finally my opportunity to learn UNIX

[Otter Escaping North]

(although I always use PICO because VI just seems like black magic to me)

So first - I agree with what the other fella said. You don't go around admitting things like that. If you really want to dis vi - start using emacs, and proclaim it to the world (wear a helmet).

Speaking as a vi user; it's not black magic. It is a little dark arts, though yes.

For black magic, you want to start doing your text editing with awk.

To really cross over to the other side, do everything in perl.

Oblig.

[xerent_sweden]

In soviet russia, computer systems certify you!

Re:It passed the certification

[russotto]

Apple used to specifically claim their products were not certified for use in weapons systems (one of the disclaimers in MPW), so there may not be a 10.5 for ICBMs.

Re:GNU

[lilomar]

Which explains why Linux will never be Unix.

Math:
GNU/Linux = !Unix/Linux
so, (hypothetically) if Linux = Unix, then GNU/Linux = !Unix/Unix
We can't let Unix be 0, because then there would be no Unix, and we can't have that.
So, let Unix = !0.
now, !Unix/Unix = !(!0)/!0
this simplifies to 0/!0
since 0 over any non-0 is 0
we get GNU/Linux = 0. Now, GNU/Linux is not 0 for the same reason Unix isn't 0. (it's just to awesome to not exist) So, therefore, Linux != Unix. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

Re:Doesn't make me want to buy an Apple any more

[coren2000]

Thats so 1950s.

Re:Doesn't make me want to buy an Apple any more

[Lumpy]

I am one of the ashamed MAC users. I dont dare put the apple sticker on my car.

you see I bought a used dual core G5. I know, I know, how DARE I buy used, but worse, it's not even Intel based.

The other mac users in my neighborhood look at me with disgust. I run 10.4, use a forbidden G5 processor and do not want to upgrade to the Intel mac platform. I am shunned, looked down upon and they even throw their half eaten croissants with caviar on them at me and spew insults like "OBSOLETE LOVER!" or "GET AN INTEL YOU SLOB!" as I walk past their homes.

I feel your pain brother. I feel your pain.

Re:I think its a major achievement

[memfrob]

IBM Corporation: AIX[...]

Now we know they're joking. When did IBM port AIX to UNIX? :)

Re:I think its a major achievement

[daem0n1x]

If The Open Group is "making standards work" (TM), then who is Making Work Standard?

Well, Soviet Russia, of course!

GNU

[pedestrian crossing]

It's right there in the name. GNU's Not Unix.

Stallman's head would probably explode if they certified a GNU/Linux system as Unix!

hmmm....

Thanks for the precision...

[da5idnetlimit.com]

But for everyone else out there, remember : Every time you call a glossy Mac a Unix Server, a geek somewhere dies.
Or he is kept in isolation in a high security prison with a pristine, never installed Dual 4 Cores Xeon 32 Go RAM 10 Gb Ethernet card with a Ginormous(TM) 34" LCD screen Quad Nvidia 8800 GTX SLI and only a WinME cd with no Internet access and VGA drivers.
Well, to keep things short he suffers. A lot.

Re:GNU

[advocate_one]

well it would just become GNU's now UNIX... duh... :)

Re:GNU

[Svet-Am]

would Stallman's head exploding REALLY be a bad thing?

Re:It passed the certification

[jimicus]

But if there is, I'm sure the ICBM will be easy to use and the resulting explosion very pretty.

Re:GNU

[MrNiceguy_KS]

Think of the mess! There'd be beard EVERYWHERE!

Re:Thanks for the precision...

[bhtooefr]

If he were a real geek, he'd write a POSIX-compliant OS, drivers, everything in assembler. And he'd APPRECIATE the isolation. Then, he'd do a cantenna case mod, and get Internet, too. :P

Re:I think its a major achievement

[HNS-I]

You filthy bastard, I've clicked your link and now I feel so dirty. Why do I always have to be the nice geek and never the ruthless manager.

Re:How expensive is it?

[YourMotherCalled]

...ranging from $40.000 or so and up to $500.000...

$40 to $500 (with an extra digit of precision on the cents thrown in for good measure) doesn't seem too bad. Those companies should be able to afford that easily!

Pico

[PCM2]

First rule of unix, never tell anyone you use pico. Second rule of unix, NEVER TELL ANYONE YOU USE PICO! ...

The trick is to write a set of macros that implement Pico in EMACS. Then you're safe.

Re:It passed the certification

[chernevik]

So I guess that explains why Jobs is so adamantly opposed to The Button.