NYT Reports Steve Jobs' Exoneration 129
heyitsgogi writes "The New York Times is reporting that Apple has cleared Steve Jobs of any wrongdoing. From the article: 'In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Apple said that while its investigation revealed that the company's stock option procedures did not include sufficient safeguards to prevent manipulation, Mr. Jobs did not benefit financially from any questionable stock awards.' As a result of the internal investigation, Apple said it would record $84 million in expenses related to the options awards."
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...what the!? (Score:1, Insightful)
Ah, and I suppose that if Bill Gates ever left Microsoft, Microsoft's stock would be doing just fine? (Note that there was a recent story from CNet news in which Gates went out of his way to say that he wasn't quite leaving MSFT yet...)
Geez - it's not as if Steve Jobs is God or anything (zealots' assertions
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Seriously - Intel didn't implode when Andy Grove left. GE seems to be holding up okay minus Jack Welch... and both of them were HUGE driving forces in whe
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Re:...what the!? (Score:5, Insightful)
Really?
Steve Jobs pulled the company back from extinction. During his reign we've seen the rise of OS X, the iMac phenomenon, the iPod juggernaut, iTunes, and other great software. The fact is the design and implementation of nearly all of Apple's products (especially the big ones) owe at least something to Jobs tweaking. Don't forget his massive performances every Macworld (less than 2 weeks, yea!).
The loss of Steve Jobs would be devastating to the company's stock, if not the company it's self.
In fact, not too long after they announced Steve Job's cancer and successful surgery last year there was an opinion piece in Forbes that made a very strong case that they were wrong not to tell the stockholders about it until after it was fixed because he was such an important part of the company that his health really mattered, compared to the financial results if the CEO of Bank of America got cancer. BoA has other capable people and could survive.
True or false, Apple is basically perceived by a great many people to be an extension of Steve of sorts. Without him there, it's not the same Apple.
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Jobs is not poor, yet he does very little as a philanthropist short of giving Apple computer discounts to schools to get more market share.
We've been through this before... Jobs may not have made any public announcements about his philanthropy, but that doesn't mean that he's not donating time and/or money to worthy causes. In other words, the only people who know how much (or how little) Jobs gives away is Jobs himself and his accountant.
I'm not trying to excuse any lack of philanthropy - if Jobs is
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Or Steve Jobs.
-- Steve Jobs
philanthropy (Score:3, Informative)
The sad part is so many people put him above reproach and the good guy in contrast to Gates in the great computer wars. Yet in comparing personal lives, Gates gives away more money than Jobs makes, and Jobs is not poor, yet he does very little as a philanthropist short of giving Apple computer discounts to schools to get more market share.
I guess you haven't heard how Jobs has worked with Bono and is working on AIDS amoung other things. Yea you could talk about how Gates gives away more than Jobs makes
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Job and Gates are both good people when it comes to money outside their business; however it has no reflection on their business or the quality of the products they produce.
Cult mindsets like to link non-correlative ideas to form reasoning when there is no basis.
Nice to see. (Score:2, Insightful)
You think Enron would have reported itself? (Score:1, Insightful)
All we need now is for Jobs to write a book called "If I played games with stock options".
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Let's get this straight. (Score:3, Insightful)
Apple does an internal investigation, finds a problem, reports itself, and you're comparing this with Enron [lehenbauer.com] because they also say Steve Jobs didn't benefit from it?
I guess someone's activated an even more powerful reality distortion field than Steve's.
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Yes, corporations can do evil things, and DO evil things. But that does not make everything evil, mistakes still happen, misdirected allegations still happen, just like in real life. Corporations are not intrinsically bad, and
"did not report" != "reported" (Score:2)
Where precisely did I say otherwise? The message I replied to was entitled:
You think Enron would have reported itself?
No, Enron didn't report itself. Not only didn't Enron report itself, Enron's whole operation was based on fraud and coercion, from the top down to the folks like "Bob" twisting the arms of power plant operators in California to create an artificial energy shortage to drive up prices, careless of the fact that the blackouts they triggered led to injuries and d
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Your standard of evidence being what it is, we can all sleep better knowing you're not adjudicating corporate crime.
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"It hit, so you can't acquit".
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Whew.... (Score:4, Interesting)
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I do, and I know what you mean. Three weeks out of every year I sweat bullets and don't sleep while I go through my annual review with them. Internal Audit is the worst stress there is.
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Heh I've never had my job called brutal before, thanks!
Seriously though whilst I work for a UK Bank doing S/I, I would have thought that IA would be just as thorough in any large company.
If Apple release the contents of the report, everyone can see for themselves
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Apple with no Jobs? (Score:2, Insightful)
The internet is buzzing [marketwatch.com] withspeculation that Steve Jobs may step down over reports that he profited $7.5 million in stock options by falsifying an executive board meeting. The financial times has a good overview of the unfolding story [ft.com].
From the Article:
"Steve Jobs, chief executive of Apple Computer, was handed 7.5m stock options in 2001 without the required autho
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Did Jobs give the options back, or did Apple cancel them?
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A better analogy would be: If someone goes into a bank and directs his accomplice to rob it, deposit some of the robbed money into his own account, then gets caught, and then he gives the money back to the bank.
So did he do something wrong? HELL YEAH!!!
Astroturf Much? (Score:4, Informative)
I mean, god damn people, this isn't ENRON or WorldCOM. Apple sure as hell isn't collapsing like a house of cards. The facts remain: Apple is making shit tonnes of money. Worst Case Scenario out of this event: Apple gets a bit of bad press nobody cares about, they pay a fairly minor fine (compared to their Billions in Cash and liquid assets) of a few hundred million plus maybe some back taxes, and maybe, MAYBE a CFO and some other financial staff get forced into early retirement. That's it. You think the board of directors (let alone the Shareholders(!)) are going to cashier Steve "Reality Distortion Field" Jobs over 10 or so million? HA! Get a fucking life!
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stock options (Score:2)
No. A stock option is worth $0 if expired. It has non-negative value if not expired, e.g. you can profit from owning an option even if the underlying price never reaches the strike price (that's called delta hedging.)
Yeap, all you'd have to do take out an option to sale while the stock is high.
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The internet is buzzing withspeculation that Steve Jobs may step down over reports that he profited $7.5 million in stock options by falsifying an executive board meeting. The financial times has a good overview of the unfolding story.
Yet quoting from the Financial Times article you linked to
So where is all this internet buzz describing how Jobs 'profited' from $7.5 million in stock options that he surrendered without exercising? You might want to RTFA [nytimes.com] which has many more specifics than your links.
You further claim that Apple 'cleared him' due to speculation, rumors, and falling stock. But please explain how Apple can formally and legally exonerate Jobs without demonstrating exhaustive proof within SEC accounting rules that Jobs wasn't involved. Ie, they handed all results of their internal inquiry directly to the SEC, and if they falsified anything in there they'd be in far more trouble than they are now. And their internal investigation was quite exhaustive, with over 26,000 man hours [streetinsider.com] devoted to this issue.
Also, you'll notice in that NYT article that the focus of the blame seems to lie on two executives (Fred Anderson and Nancy Heinen) that have both subsequently quit Apple since this backdating scam and also have their own independent lawyers ready. And FWIW, I can't find the story now, but an analyst at Piper Jaffray claimed a less than 5% chance Jobs was illegally involved but that as CEO it's standard practice to retain one's own legal counsel for such a situation.
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Yep, and when I gave back all that money I stole because I knew the cops were on to me, it totally kept me from being accused of theft!!!
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Yep, and when I gave back all that money I stole because I knew the cops were on to me, it totally kept me from being accused of theft!!!
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At least if it was media spin, there might be something there that we'll find out later.
All we REALLY have is spin from Microsoft apologists, jealous blogger pseudo-journalists, and people hoping to short the stock.
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I wouldn't think for a second that Jobs is a guy after a quick buck, I doesn't fit with his actions for the past decades.
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Apple may have cleared him. but the SEC hasn't. I suspect Apple is only clearing him because of the speculation, rumors, and falling stock.
Maybe you didn't know but it was Apple that reported this to the SEC. If they had wanted to avoid all of this they ever would have reported it.
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Whole Lotta Fakin' Goin' On Over Jobs' Options (Score:5, Interesting)
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Jobs is a billionaire, what motive coud he possibly have for getting that money. He is the largest share-holder in Disney, he could easily sell some of that stock and make a LOT of money.
I don't see any possible motive for Jobs to do this other than to see just how well the Reality Distortion Field(tm) works.
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I don't think you understand how the billionaire mind works. They don't think of much of motivation when dealing with such trivial amounts of money. When you find a quarter in the vending machine change slot, how much effort do you exert to find the proper owner. What were your motivations in putting it in your pocket?
I'm sure Steve feels the same way. He had a bunch of worthl
"...not benefit financially" (Score:1, Insightful)
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Of course, cr
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Clinton and Algore trained Jobs well... (Score:1, Insightful)
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It's not like we really need this kind of crap in this story, but an internal investigation by the Bush DOJ found that Bush did nothing wrong when he lied to justify a war, causing the deaths of thousands of americans, and when he approved illegal^Wformerly illegal wiretaps on private citizens, and all the other shit he's done that has caused him to issue more presidential writs than all former presidents combined.
Or in other words, we can point fingers all day, so let's try and keep the political crapo
Al Gore is on Apple's BOD (Score:1, Insightful)
So if Apple says that the execs aren't guilty..... (Score:2)
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You mean like the SEC [sec.gov], to whom Apple directly gave the results and all details of their formal investigation to? And to whom they're legally obligated when carrying out said investigation, under penalties of perjury?
Now of course just because Apple finds these conclusions on its own investigation which is 'on the record', doesn't mean they're inherently innocent, the SEC will give th
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(Al Gore is the head of the Special Committee that reported this "exoneration")
After all, there is no Controlling Legal Authority over Al Gore and his integrity in financial matters.
see:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec ial/campfin/stories/op030797.htm [washingtonpost.com]
for those who aren't familiar with or have forgotten what that phrase means...
Mr. Anderson... (Score:1)
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Fred hasn't been CFO for a long time... He did just resign from the board, but that is not as critical.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/feb/05andersHey dad ! (Score:1)
covering ass (Score:2)
Of course Apple cleared Jobs of any wrong doing, who else is going to bail their ases out ?
Ah but Apple wouldn't of had to do any covering or bailing out their asses if Apple never reported the backdating to begin with. If Apple had kept it's mouth shut none of this would have happened, the only reason it's out in the open is because Apple reported it to the SEC to begin with, then started an investigation.
FalconApple has cleared... Apple said... (Score:2)
In other words, corporate circle-jerking is OK... (Score:2)
If this stands, its shitty news for anyone who holds stock. What this would essentially do is legalize corporate circle-jerking. In other words, it would be OK for top buddies to make deals that individually don't directly financially benefit the decision-maker, but such deals would
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Steve Jobs was quoted today as saying, "I am proud to say that I have been exonerated by myself twice as fast as any previous corruption probe."
That Steve! Always the innovator, even when it comes to stealing from the shareholder. I'm feeling a strange sensation right now -- I think it's from the corruption-distortion field.
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Where did the 84 million USD come from? (Score:2)
Is this from expenses incurred as a result of the investigation or are these expenses that were not recorded previously, but should have been?
Analysis of the forum... (Score:3, Insightful)
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The Slashdot remarks fall into three categories: jokers, Apple Fanboys, and people who actually read the articles and thinks that Steve Jobs is a crook for fixing the books (even if he tried to exchange his ill-gotten gains
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What Really Matters is: (Score:2)
For those who won't RTFA or Google into the matter - Another piece of news says Apple acknowledges fake documents [eetimes.com]. From the article: "In the filings, Apple [apple.com] (Cupertino, Calif.) acknowledged that the company faked documentation to indicate that a grant of 7.5 million options to CEO Steve Jobs was recorded at a special meeting of the board of directors on Oct.
AGM for year 2001. (Score:2, Insightful)
In other news ENRON clears Lay from any wrongdoing (Score:1)
Apple: "Jobs did not benefit from these options." (Score:1)
From a more independent news source:
"Apple says Mr Jobs' option was subsequently cancelled and resulted
in no financial gain, but while the options were cancelled in 2003,
Apple granted Mr Jobs five million shares in exchange."
http://news.independent.co.uk/business/news/articl e1214598.ece [independent.co.uk]
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Well hey, at least it isn't Fox "Mark Foley is a Democrat" News. Anyway, why would you have any reason to doubt the veracity of this report?
I'm not sure what this means (Score:2)
If the New York Times says it, then it must be true -- NOT!
Are you saying that the NYT is incorrect, and Apple's own internal investigation did not clear Jobs? Or are you saying that somehow the NYT is biased in favor of Apple, and made up the entire story? Or are you actually talking about something completely unrelated to Apple, Steve Jobs, and the story at hand?
We all know that just because Apple cleared Jobs that doesn't mean there wasn't some wrongdoing on his part, but the NYT is merely reportin
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On second thought, maybe that's not such a bad thing.