Apple Announces Tiger Release Date 981
GatorMarc writes "Well, it's official. Tiger will be released into the wild on April 29th with more than 200 new features, including Spotlight, Dashboard, Automator, VoiceOver, Safari RSS, Core Audio, and Core Image." Additional commentary available on ThinkSecret and MacWorld.
Please explain (Score:1, Insightful)
how this will increase my productivity ?
will it fill in XLS spreadsheets for me, or write that appraisal so i dont have to ?
I use x86 PC myself... (Score:4, Insightful)
Personal very Excited (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Crap (Score:5, Insightful)
I've been waiting to purchase a mini until the announcement since I knew if you ordered beforehand you won't get a free upgrade. Off to the Apple store I go...
Apple envy (Score:5, Insightful)
Spotlight, Dashboard & Automator all look like great additions. I know there are perhaps Windows alternatives, but can any of them claim to be as slick as Apples?
I'm a Windows user, but as time goes on the thought of an mac mini just to give the OS a try becomes more and more tempting.
Re:Crap (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:In in! (Score:2, Insightful)
Why? It's pure eye-candy.
I'm looking forward to whoever is the first to liberate Dashboard applets from the stupid Dashboard layer and let them intermingle with the rest of the world.
Re:Mac Mini update? (Score:3, Insightful)
Core Data (Score:5, Insightful)
Am I the only one excited about the core data technology? In every write up of Tiger I have seen so far have not mentioned this new technology.
I mean come on. It gives you save, undo and redo functionality for free, no extra coding. Plus if you make good use of cocoa bindings in interface builder you could build a complete simple application with out writing a single line of code manually. That is pretty freaking sweet.
Maybe its just the geek in me but I think its cool. Plus you can save in multiple different file formats, binary, xml, or sqllite.
More Here: http://developer.apple.com/macosx/tiger/coredata.h tml [apple.com]
Then you are a dumb ass (Score:3, Insightful)
I could have sworn that I read somewhere that Apple will give you a free upgrade if you bought your Mac within two months before the release date of the new OS
Getting a free upgrade was part of your strategy, but you didn't check it out with the Apple Store sales person or atleast call Apple's 800 sales number to confirm? You just went on what you thought you remembered?
It doesn't even sound reasonable for Apple to offer a 60 day reach back on a free upgrade. Makes NO sense at all. Not to mention, there is no precedent for this in Apple's past (or MS for that matter).
Yeah you spent a lot ($3800) on a computer and the best you can do now is see if your week-and-a-half old computer can be returned, repurchased, and qualify for the free upgrade. If so, then perhaps they will save everyone the return trouble and give you a free upgrade.
Re:I use x86 PC myself... (Score:4, Insightful)
Where does he say he runs Windows?
Re:Apple envy (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Panther Upgrade (Score:2, Insightful)
Yeah, that'll hold up in court.
There has to be a cut-off somewhere, and no matter where that cut is made, someone is going to be hurt. This time it's you. I guess that's what happens when you make financial decisions based on internet rumors.
Re:I use x86 PC myself... (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:I use x86 PC myself... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Family Pack Still Exists (Score:3, Insightful)
As long as retards like you cheat the system, it makes it HARDER for honest, ethical people.
Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you should. Jeez, grow up!
Re:64-bit doesn't include graphics! (Score:5, Insightful)
User interface code is really pretty messy when you get right down to it. You're doing a lot of abstraction, moving a lot of pointers and integers around. On exactly the same G5-based computer, a 64-bit UI is going to run considerably slower than a 32-bit UI because of cache exhaustion. Because you're using pointers that are twice as big as you need them to be, you can only fit half as many of them in the various caches that are there to speed up your computer's performance. That effectively cuts your caches in half.
So we had two choices: Either waste a ton of developer time releasing 64-bit-clean versions of the UI frameworks and then tell our developers not to use them, or just don't ship them at all.
Believe me, the Final Cut Pro and Shake teams were pissed off about this. Their expectation was that they'd be able to release 64-bit versions of their applications by NAB. But a 64-bit version of FCP with 64-bit Pro Kit is less interactive than the 32-bit version on the same hardware, for very marginal gains in actual utility. FCP is already very good at making use of up to 2 GB of RAM when dealing with hundreds of gigabytes of data on disk; adding 64-bit support would have helped few and hindered many.
Re:Developer Perspective (Score:4, Insightful)
A: You do know that Xcode only runs on the Mac, right? You can't compare these things. They don't run on the same platforms.
I have to disagree with this point. Development environments can definitely be compared across systems. Not at the fine-grain level perhaps, but on the overall experience.
I'll give an example :- I maintained parts of an application that ran both on Solaris and on Windows for many years. Although all kinds of neat development environments can be assembled from freely available tools, or even bought (e.g. Sun's various IDEs) on Solaris, Visual Studio definitely had an edge. The Windows-only developers had a productivity advantage. Pre-compiled headers, fast intel cpus, very fast tools, including really good source code browsing with cross-referencing etc. It's all built in for a reasonable price, so everyone used them. On Unix some people had pretty good tools, some people used vi and print statements, and it showed.
desk accessories (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:do programmers deserve to get paid? (Score:5, Insightful)
Because they know that as humans, people will feel cheated for not getting a volume discount and having to have 5 identical CDs and just pirate instead. Apple is simply increasing the profit margin on a box with 1 CD by putting more licenses in it (probably just costs extra ink) and customers get to know they're doing the legal thing and getting a good deal to boot.
Re:Apple envy (Score:3, Insightful)
The decision to not care about security was made more than 10 years ago. The specifics of how windoze has been compromised time and again -- while not necessarily foreseen -- could have been avoided by common sense security practices that were already common in other operating systems.
Re:Core Image and Mac Mini (Score:1, Insightful)
I don't see the Mini's ATI 9200 in that list, do you? That'd be because Core Image won't use a ATI 9200 for hardware acceleration.
Is it just me ... (Score:2, Insightful)
I thought this was way up on the requested features list
But seriously, isn't is about time ? Solaris, KDE, Gnome have had this support for ages.
Bad Analogy (Score:1, Insightful)
That's a suprisingly bad analogy. Stephen Hawking is remarkably articulate with his speach synthesizer. The tone is rather robotic but it's at least correct grammer.
Re:Apple envy (Score:3, Insightful)
Last I checked, 2005 - 10 years < 2001, which leaves your first argument as "hey, M$ should be commended for playing catch-up."
If I had a habit of recklessly falling asleep with a lit cigarette I wouldn't expect high praise when I decide to quit smoking after the house is in flames. Especially if others kept warning me about what a bad idea falling asleep with a lit cigarette is.
As for your second point, complexity and popularity alone are not valid excuses for M$. There are plenty of more complex, more visible, and more mission critical operating systems that don't reach for their proverbial knees when a hacker, let alone a script kiddie, comes knocking at its door.
Re:Developer Perspective (Score:2, Insightful)
So comparing the two makes no sense whatsoever.
The only possible motivation for anybody to want to compare them would be to come to the conclusion that one or the other sucks, which is just childish nonsense.
Re:64-bit doesn't include graphics! (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I just called too.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Anyone who's even vaguely familiar with Apple - anyone who's read any Apple Expo news, anyone who reads any Apple magazines or websites, anyone who reads the Apple stories on Slashdot - knew full well that Apple were going to be realising Tiger soon. And, anyone who fit into that category also knew full well that they weren't guaranteed a free upgrade, and that how much they were going to have to pay for it would depend on when they bought their Apple machine in relation to the official launch/announcement date for Tiger.
How hard is it to put off your Mac purchase for a few weeks if you're that concerned about saving yourself the upgrade cost? If money's that important - and having Tiger as opposed to Jaguar is as well - then can't buying that new machine wait a few more days?
Come on, who's fault is all this? Apple's? How? They're damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they said anyone who bought their machine in the last year was entitled to a free upgrade you'd still have someone who'd bought their machine 366 days ago posting here about how pissed off he felt at the injustice of it all.
Re:Is it just me ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Dashboard (Score:5, Insightful)
I tend to agree that it's not innovative, nor revolutionary. It is evolutionary, because it's a 21st century update of Desktop Accessories [wikipedia.org], which precluded Konfabulator by about 20 years.
Current Apple Theme -- Allow Users to Create (Score:3, Insightful)
So their developer tools and AppleScript (and now CoreData and Automator) allow a user to easily create custom applications. It helps that the developer tools are included with the OS. My mom might not care, but it sure helps me!
GarageBand -- create music easily.
iMovie, iDVD -- create movies easily and export to DVDs.
Heck, even Keynote now has features to make interactive kiosk presentations.
The list goes on, of course. But so much seems to be putting the power into the user's hands to become a content creator, not just a consumer.
Re:Core Data (Score:4, Insightful)
If you adopt the MVC (Model-View-Controller) style you can see that the first piece has been Interface Builder, which eliminated the need to write code for the View in an excellent way.
In 10.3 Cocoa Bindings (accessible via Interface Builder as well) eliminated the need to write code for the controller functions for the values setters/getters through they Key-Value technology (obviously you still need to write the parts that do some actions).
With Core Data now you do not even need to write anymore a BIG part of the Model, the data containers. This makes you able to limit in most cases your coding work to the actual elaboration of data, avoiding the storing/retrieving part which is the most boring, and as Apple demonstrated, can be generalized in most cases.
Re: Apple envy (Score:2, Insightful)
The next time the Finder hangs on you, try switching to another application (command+tab, Exposé, click other window or dock icon, whatever). *Then* try to invoke the Force Quit window (command+Option+esc or from the Apple menu). In the worst cases that works for me.
Regarding restarting the machine (if you really need to, but in my case that has never been Finder related), try holding the power button for several seconds.
Re:64-bit doesn't include graphics! (Score:3, Insightful)
Of course, it's possible that someone might want to use 64-bit addressing even on a machine with less than 4GB, for example if one wanted to mmap() lots of files simultaneously. They wouldn't all be allocated physical pages of RAM at the same time, but it would work. Although a bit silly.
Don't forget, the G5 has a significant lead over the G4 in terms of clock speed, in addition to a much better bus. (The G4, even if it could be made to run faster, doesn't have nearly enough bandwidth on its bus to feed instructions and data to the CPU.) So there are very significant advantages to running a G5 instead of a G4.
Dual core is easy to take advantage of