Sirius Confirms iPod Satellite Talks 381
An anonymous reader writes "Remember those iPod Satellite rumors last December? Mel Karmazin, the CEO of Sirius Satellite Radio, announced at the 2005 Media Summit that he had discussions with Steve Jobs about the possibility of putting Sirius' technology in future iPods. Steve's response? Not interested."
iTunes Says Moo (Score:5, Insightful)
Being a satellite radio will allow users to use iPod without purchasing anything thing more from Apple.
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:2, Interesting)
iPods cost $10,000 (Score:4, Funny)
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:5, Informative)
For reference, check out this article: Apple profit surges on iPod sales [bbc.co.uk]
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:3, Insightful)
iTMS profit is low for now (Score:5, Insightful)
But there's no reason Apple couldn't make money off of both hardware and a music service. If I were Steve Jobs, I'd be downlplaying the long-term profitability of the iTMS every chance I could get, for the sole purpose of scaring competitors away. Look at Real, for example. With no hardware to sell, they're still trying to compete with the iTMS, and so far with limited success.
If Apple can outlast competitors in the online music store arena, it could start making a healthy profit at it. From there, migration into an online video download service seems like a natural progression (when the labels and consumers are ready for it).
Apple seems to be moving into the place Sony would like to be - the nexus of the consumer digital lifestyle. If that's the case, the old, "Repeat after me: Apple is a hardware company" mantra may not hold up for long.
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:2)
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:2)
Entirely different markets. Console game makers have done this since the 80's. They get $50+ for games.
For comparison, compare the IPod to all of the other portable music players that use either memory or hard drive. Before the IPod, they all relied Exclusivily on the hardware sales. Apple has the hardware Plus the song sales(however small their margin may be on those)
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:2, Insightful)
1. The sat network (be it XM or Sirius) would have to consent to a profit-sharing scheme with Apple - Apple would want some of the recurring fees coming in from the programming
2. A "buy this track" button -- I beleive the sat networks already stream per-song data (artist/name/etc) If they could also send an "iT
Re:Apple Lies re: song profit margins (Score:3, Informative)
Sure, I believe you.
The margin Apple makes on its songs is not merely the selling price minus the price paid to the record companies. When doing that kind of accounting, you have to take bandwidth, advertising, credit card processing fees, and paying the employees. That's basic accounting.
You can't say "Well, the licensing fee was $.50, and we're charging $99, so we've got
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:2, Informative)
Seriously. I don't have a single track from ITMS (although I do have a $30 gift certificate waiting for there to be something I want in the ITMS...). I have mainly Bittorrented albums, along with a few ripped CDs.
Re:iTunes Says Moo (Score:3, Insightful)
Because Apple Records would sue them off the face of the earth, again. IIRC, iTunes was on shaky ground for a while while the record companies thought long and hard about all possibilities about letting Apple re-sell their music online. Plenty of companies still don't license their music for resale by Apple (try getting Led Zeppelin on iTMS) because they don't trust Apple not to do exactly what you've hypoth
Ladies and Gentlemen (Score:4, Funny)
I think it's a mistake (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:5, Insightful)
Also sat radio is, as far as I know, only really popular in north America.
Such a device would be useless abroad.
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:5, Insightful)
And not really that popular here.
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
What is this "abroad" you speak of?
Seriously though, I uh.. can't speak at all to the technology. I can say that US radio is a broken mass media. I am a musician and a music fanatic and all I listen to is C-Span Radio. This is definitely a problem looking for a solution, and in North America, satellite radio is a very promising solution.
An iPod by itself isn't enough to convince me to buy
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
The radio itself can be pretty tiny. The tough part is finding room for the dish.
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
Here are what I think is wrong with it:
The XM reciever unit alone costs at least $250 of the $350, subtracting all the accessiries. Its battery only lasts five hours on a charge. It is already wider, taller, thicker and heavier than the heaviest currently selling iPod. Yeah, if Apple wants a big clunky device larger than even the large Nomad Zen, they'd go for it. I'm not sure if it requires an external antenna to work well, but MyFi has such a jack to attach one.
I'm sure Apple can m
Hey dudes, there is this thing called competition (Score:2)
Re:Hey dudes, there is this thing called competiti (Score:2)
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
Re:I think it's a mistake (Score:2)
The best route to go would be a sirius add-on.
Huh? (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:4, Informative)
That said, I think they would definatly have to increase the size of the iPod (maybe double as thick what the lowest capacity iPod is) to make it work. It wouldn't be a tiny addition (like an FM radio might be). See my other post in this topic for my other thoughts.
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
If I remember correctly *HIS* first GPS was more the size of a small notebook computer, and cost about that much to. Also in the older models they could only track a small number of satelites, so the lock was much les
Re:Huh? (Score:2)
How would tuning and decoding one station of music + data be any different than having to tune into the satellites that transmit time info for the GPS to work?
I don't think it is anything different. They both work on the principle of one-way communication. While the GPS signal is definitely of a lower bandwidth, I could still see Satellite Radio being able to use smaller receivers.
iPod Satellite Radio (Score:5, Insightful)
Satellite radio has limited appeal. I don't know many people that are excited about the idea of radio you have to pay for, commercials or not. Digital Radio (Digital FM & AM) will offer CD quality broadcasts in the near future effectively killing the satellite Radio market.
I discovered MP3s nearly 10 years the time I spend listening to the radio has decreased. Even before that CD players often omitted a radio tuner further effecting how I listen to music. The iPod and other MP3 players have eliminated my need for radio.
The impeding failure of satellite radio aside, I don't see how it would even fit into Apple's bigger plan for the iPod. The iPod allows us to create out own personalized 'radio station' without commercials.
Now I'm just dependant on friends to introduce me to new music. I think they have better taste then the DJ's and what the big labels want to shove down my though any way.
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:2)
I have two cars, and only one has a satellite radio tuner right now. Since I put that in several months ago, I haven't ONCE listened to FM or AM radio in that car. Sirius is just so much better. When I'm in the other car, I'm frustrated with all the commercials and inane DJ prattle (the DJs on Sirius talk, but nowhere near as much, and they don't have stupid call-in segments or a
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:5, Insightful)
A year ago, my wife bought me a TiVo for my birthday and I got her a Sirius Sattelite radio. It seemed like a good deal at the time, I rarely listened to the radio and she didn't watch much T.V. A year later, she spends all of her time watching TiVo and I spend all my time listening to sattelite radio.
Since getting sattelite radio, I have pretty much stopped downloading mp3's (don't need them, too much good music on Sirius). A couple of months ago, I bought my first CD in THIRTEEN YEARS. I'm not joking, the last album I paid money for music before this past December was Tesla's Edison's Medicine in 1991.
Sure, you can download several hundred songs for your iPod and create your own commercial free radio, but describing Sattelite Radio as commercial free is like describing Open Source software a software you don't have to pay for. Commercial free is just scratching the surface.
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:2)
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:3, Interesting)
Satellite radio has limited appeal. I don't know many people that are excited about the idea of radio you have to pay for, commercials or not. Digital Radio (Digital FM & AM) will offer CD quality broadcasts in the near future effectively killing the satellite Radio market.
Now I'm just dependant on friends to introduce me to new music. I think they have better taste then the DJ's and what the big labels want to shove down my though any way.
The point of satellite radio is not it's quality. At leas
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:3, Insightful)
I remember when people said the exact same thing about a little something called "cable TV".
Re:iPod Satellite Radio (Score:2)
Why bother? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Why bother? (Score:3, Interesting)
Now, for those of us who don't have high-speed internet access (due to availability reasons, at least on my part), having what really amounts to an unlimited amount of music/talk/sports/etc. available at the touch of a button is well worth the $10 or less per month XM costs me.
Makes sense (Score:2)
A song not downloaded off iTunes is a loss (Score:5, Insightful)
With Apple at the forefront of online music stores, it makes sense that we support them by buying our portable music at iTunes rather than listening to radio (whether free or otherwise). Not only can we, the listeners, decide what we want to hear at any given time, it benefits Apple in a way that mere words cannot.
Steve Jobs has again seen the correct path. While it may hurt Sirius XM in the short term, in the long term I think it will be a boon to everyone to have a strong Apple Computer company.
Re:A song not downloaded off iTunes is a loss (Score:3, Insightful)
Satellite radio just doesn't appeal much to me at all, because I feel like it's really just a response to people's disgust with regular FM radio. Ever sin
Re:A song not downloaded off iTunes is a loss (Score:3, Funny)
Steve Jobs has again seen the correct path
in the long term I think it will be a boon to everyone to have a strong Apple Computer company
it makes sense that we support them by buying our portable music at iTunes rather than listening to radio. . . it benefits Apple in a way that mere words cannot
I hang my head in abject shame. I thought I was a great zealot, but you are orders of magni
Not interested (Score:2, Funny)
M$ buys an anti-virus firm and decides NOT to integrate AV technology into Longhorn.
Now that would be news.
Sirius sucks (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:2)
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:2)
When you're not so far north, it's not bad at all.
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:3, Informative)
XM's Hugh Panero has already spoken to Steve Jobs [marketwatch.com] and nothing has come from that either.
The satellite providers would love to get involved with the iPod, but why would Apple want to break its strangle-hold on locking out any competitors to the iTunes Music Store?
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:3, Informative)
xm has 2 in geo-sync orbit.
grump
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:2)
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:2)
Wrong. XM has a satellite position on each coast. [xmradio.com] XM uses geostationary positions.
Sirius has three, but they're in Low Earth Orbit so at any given time one is on the opposite side of the world and useless.
Re:Sirius sucks (Score:2)
Uh oh. (Score:2, Funny)
One Word (Score:2, Funny)
Looks like... (Score:2, Funny)
What I'd prefer anyway is PodCasting via iTunes (Score:4, Interesting)
Apple would do well to look at PodCasting and figure out how to bring large name radio broadcasts such as this (or say NPR's This American Life) to the iPod.
As a Sirius subscriber, what I REALLY want is... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:As a Sirius subscriber, what I REALLY want is.. (Score:2)
Mine isn't a specific solution, but here goes.
I recently bought a mid-line Clarion mp3-cd player. If you buy a sirius unit to attach to it, it hooks right into the stereo via a unique cable (+ rca's?) so that you can use the Clarion head unit to view and control the satellite receiver.
Not the most simple solution, but definitely a decent one that doesn't require something hanging off of your dash to use the satellite radio.
Re:As a Sirius subscriber, what I REALLY want is.. (Score:2)
The only real issue with this is that I have two displays instead of one. Has anyone reverse engineered the interface on one of the trunk-mount Sirius tuners? (The ones that interface with otherwise normal head units?)
-Z
Re:As a Sirius subscriber, what I REALLY want is.. (Score:2)
Besides, how much is 2+ weeks worth of songs going to cost you? Let's do the math.
2 weeks = 14 days = 336 hours = 20,160 minutes.
Figure your average song is roughly 4 minutes.
20,160/4 = 5,040 songs (roughly).
From the iTunes music store, that's roughly $5,040 worth of lower-
MyFi complaints (Score:5, Informative)
Right before I graduated from college, I was working at a large consumer electronics store to pay the bills. As frequently happened, we were given the opportunity to purchase XM equipment directly from a manufacturer at ludicrously low prices. This sort of thing is common in certain sections of electronics retailers; car audio and home audio traditionally have a huge markup, and manufacturers offer direct purchase plans that end up being better than the normal employee discount, all in the hope that an employee will fall in love with the product and recommend it to customers.
This time, we were offered the XM MyFi for 6 months of service. That was it. We paid shipping on the player and prepaid six months of service. That meant $60 for a player that was retailing in the mid to high- $300s. Several guys jumped on it.
AND HATED THEM.
These things were wretched. I'm not sure if we got a crappy batch (although some personal online reviews at the time were similar to our experiences), but these things couldn't hold onto a signal if the fate of the earth depended on it.
One guy actually walked outside with his MyFi while it was hooked to a small set of portable speakers for purpose of demonstrating the new utter crappiness to the rest of us. He held it out from his body. The unit played fine. He held a small stack of about 15 papers above it. The signal died completely.
Most of us simply sold them on eBay. The profit was reasonable, but given the amount of problems, I was just glad I never purchased one.
Indirectly, it confirms what I'd already seen with my father's car satellite radio system. Terrestrial rebroadcast is great in some areas. In others, pulling into a gas station cuts out audio entirely.
iPods work damned well. The iTunes sync system is great, the interface is nearly as simple as it gets, and unless you have a peculiar niche desire for your player, it does everything most people want. Now imagine the same player randomly cutting out when you walk under trees by the sidewalk, or when you walk into the gym because rebroadcast isn't reaching the area you're in, or when you stick it in your pocket (if it behaves like some of our MyFi's). If and when Sirius or XM can demonstrate a 99% effective coverage system for a player that can't guarantee free view of the sky, then we'll talk.
Until then, Steve, don't pollute an otherwise great player.
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:2)
the iPod mini is priced too close to the next level up (249 vs 299) but with specs much closer to the next level down (1GB flash vs. 4GB hdd).
spending $50 extra bucks (299 vs. 349) just to get a black case/red wheel U2 edition
or spending upwards to 599 for a top model ipod photo
when flash becomes cheaper, a 2GB shuffle at $199 will seriously erode into mini's market share.
what apple needs to do to de-pollute
clarify it's future strategic positioning of how the mini wi
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:5, Interesting)
I disagree with your statements, though.
The Mini was the fastest-selling product in Apple's history. While you (and I) may disagree with the price/capacity point, it's obvious that a lot of consumers did not. I learned long ago that in most cases, Apple knows what people want far better than I.
The U2 edition is a limited edition. The $50 does get you a different case, but it also gets you a credit toward the U2 uber-Box set on iTunes. I've never even seen one in a store (although I guess Apple stores probably have one). It seems more like the kind of thing that a U2 fan would actively seek out. It's there, it's $50 more, you're welcome to buy it if you want.
The iPod photo is an asinine product, IMHO, but see above. Apple usually knows people better than I do. I could see buying the $599 model to get the 60GB drive, though.
Apple probably won't do a $199 shuffle. What they will do is the same thing they've been doing with the iPod since day one: Same price, bigger capacity. The $99 price point would get you 1GB, the $149, 2GB. Oh, yeah, and the iPod mini would probably bump to 6 or 8GB as hard drive capacity marches right along. We won't even get into the fact that the mini has many things consumers want (screen, colors, etc.) Again, see above: Apple knows what people want better than I do.
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:2)
The antenna for a car XM unit is about 1" square, but that is because it sticks to a large metal car body that acts as a ground plane. The home antennas for XM units are squares that are 2" to 3" per side. They get pretty good signals too.
I never understood how they could put a decent antenna inside that little unit. Sounds like I was right. The problem would only be worse if the unit was smaller (like an iPod). It's easy to pick up that 100,000 watt FM station that's 20 miles away with
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:2)
My dad's car system, that cuts out at gas stations, is in Houston, TX. As in the 4th largest city in the US. As in a city with almost no hills to speak of. And these cuts aren't just in downtown, where skyscrapers can be blamed for problems. They're
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:2)
As for the Alpine unit, that's true. But to get that you have to have a $600+ Alpine head unit or so, don't you? Then you add the $100 interface and the $200 iPod and you're up near $1000. If Apple could do it for $500 that would be great. And just having it all in one package from start (instead of having to get all that stuff and assemble it yoursel
Re:MyFi complaints (Score:2)
Alpine's compatible head units run anywhere from $220 to over $1,000. Assuming you're not itching to hook up screens, five amps, and a kitchen sink, you can go with the CDA-9827, which runs just over $200. Add the $100 interface, an ~$200 sat system (including install here), and an iPod. Of course, the iPod is multi-purpose here; grab and go if you want to take it to the gym or whatever.
You're right, I don't anticipate Apple
The technology is not ready (Score:3, Insightful)
There is a very simple explanation for this. Satellite radio is not yes sufficiently fault-free to be put into a mass market portable device yet. This article [nytimes.com] from the NY Times looks at one of the first such portable devices and explains why it doesn't work. The radios require line-of-sight to the satellite (so you can forget about all the subway commuters, the primary city iPod audience), and need a good antenna to get a really clear signal. There's also too much "geek factor" involved in all the various attachments necessary to get it to work properly in different conditions (a separate antenna for each type of listening location).
Apple is not interested in the iPod becoming (just) a geek toy. Most users, I suspect, would want satellite radio to work normally if they are underground, lying around in their apartment, or walking through the streets -- just like their iPods do now. Until Apple can figure out a way to get the technology to work as simply as most people expect, they'd rather not add it to a mass-product device.
I suspect Apple will eventually be the first company to offer a really usable satellite radio device though. Jobs likes to say no until the technology is ready.
Buy This Song Now (Score:2)
RP
Jobs hates subscriptions (Score:5, Insightful)
This is just a conjecture on my part, but it seems that one of Jobs' insights, or pecadilloes, or whatevers about selling is that he thinks people hate supscriptions. He could have made iTMS a subscription service, but didn't, and he prospered. He shows little interest in Sirius because you only really rent Sirius or XM, and perhaps he takes a given that this makes people think twice before buying -- subscriptions are the anathema of gee-whiz, they reek of responsibility and if you are being sold a subscription, you're going to put a lot more thought into it before you do it. It also perhaps worth remarking, if only in passing, that the most successful internet/IT ventures of the last decade have been either free to the consumer (Yahoo, Google) or paid on instance of use (eBay, Amazon).
Contrast this with everyone's M$ conspiracy theory, where .NET is a big trap to suck everyone into paying monthly to use Word. I don't think this would work; imagine all those home users seeing "MICROSOFT.COM THANKS YOU-0231" on their Amex statement every month, and then wondering if there was another way. Even if monthly subscriptions are cheaper than buying a new package every 5 years, the psychological impact of paying monthly for something that only seems to get more features every year or two would insurmountable (and, after all, how many features could they possibly add to Word to justify the constant payment, the days the net is slow, etc.)
So, I guess I agree with Jobs on this, and I have doubts about subscriptions for pure information services.
Although, I do have .mac.... Hmm. I'm a hippocrite.
Not Suprised (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm not saying it's not a good idea, but I think it is definatly too early. It will be a while before we see such a thing. I don't see how it could happen right now. Just doesn't seem to make sense.
To the Author (Score:2)
Jobs = Smart Man (Score:3, Interesting)
2.) the size of the unit would be really big to accomidate the extra electronics and most importantly the much larger battery.
I'm sure Jobs knows, like we all do, that eventually the ipod will have to go there. But for now he can reap the design benefits of the smaller battery and the revenue stream of itunes for a year or two until miniturization runs its course.
iTunes is NOT a cash cow right now (Score:2)
iBrick (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:iBrick (Score:2)
Why stock analysts should stick to analyzing stock (Score:5, Informative)
This is why people who don't understand technology shouldn't speculate about it. Increased battery drain from an XM/Sirius tuner? A tuner would be 100% solid state, as opposed to the hard drive that currently has to be spun up to read MP3s. And what, exactly, would they need to add?
LO - Check
DSP - Check
Audio Amplifier - Check
User Interface - Check
Most of the main parts of a receiver are already existant in the current iPod. All they really need to add is a low noise RF amp, program the digital decoding method, and slap an antenna on that sucker. It takes a minimal amount of power to drive most of the circuitry -- the biggest power drain is the audio amp. If anything, the satellite radio enabled iPod would get better battery life when used as a reciever.
Re:Why stock analysts should stick to analyzing st (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Why stock analysts should stick to analyzing st (Score:3, Informative)
Jobs Is Making The Right Move (Score:2)
Now, Apple creates the basic technology and lets third-party accessorizors create marketing oppportunities. This keeps Apple free to determine the destiny of its own products.
Partnering with anyone on basic design aspects of the iPod means that Apple throws away the leverage it has worked so hard to build. There is plenty of opportunities for third-party providers with iPod just as it is.
iDontSubscribe (Score:2)
If i wanted to listen to the radio... (Score:4, Insightful)
I certainly wouldn't spend hundreds on a radio, so i could listen to someone elses playlist on someone elses timetable.
I mean really, a large collection of MP3 music and other audio content (with new content discoverable and downloadable via P2P, Mp3 streaming stations, podcast feeds etc.) has completely removed any reason i might have to listen to the radio.
If Sirius or XM makes up the bulk of the content you listen to, you don't need an iPod - just a compact Sirius/XM receiver - i'm sure its illegal to actually record Sirius/XM content, so theres a very limited amount of value a hard-drive based receiver brings to the table.
Why don't they just make an addon like the iTrip?
I mean - if the capability to play Sirius/XM on the iPod is a feature lots of people are wanting, it should sell like hotcakes, right?
Well if you look at the article (Score:2)
Sounds to me more like a not now than a no. So I have trouble seeing this as entirely unreasonable on Mr. Jobs' part. I'd say maybe it's too bad but, hey, I don't own an iPod so what do I care.
Bad, bad move... (Score:2, Interesting)
Integrating Satelite radio a bad idea. (Score:3, Interesting)
Why don't you stop thinking locally and think globally? The reason why Apple is doing so well is precisely because they are thinking globally. Consider that there is no "Japanese" version or "Chinese" version of OS X but rather OS X supports strong localization support.
Even if I was living in the US, why would I care about satellite radio when I don't even listen to regular radio?
Leave it to companies like MSFT and their partners to create different products for different markets.
Re:Integrating Satelite radio a bad idea. (Score:3, Insightful)
Your analogy is horrible I'm afraid. Those CDMA phones are manufactured specifically for a particular network type whereas iPods are not communication devices designed to work on a specific network in a limited geographic area. Adding this Sirus crap, would handicap its usefulness while travelling around the world. i would not want to play for a feature i would never use or only be able
Re:If you are wondering, itunes is the reason ... (Score:2, Insightful)
Steve Jobs did do real work with the iPod and iTunes--he didn't just say "do it" and it got done right.
People make more money with copyright than sales? How does that happen? The ONLY thing that makes iTunes and the iPod monetarily successful is sales.
Re:First things first (Score:2)
Re:First things first (Score:3, Interesting)
1. A user-replaceable battery. After all, if digital still camera manufacturers can offer user-replaceable NiMH and Li-Ion batteries....
2. A built-in tuner for local FM and AM stations. There are people out there that want to listen to local radio stations on long walks (like me every morning!) in addition to listening to music.
Re:First things first (Score:3, Interesting)
1) My gym has TVs in front of treadmills with FM broadcast of the audio portion. I'd like to run while I watch. Also, listening to NPR while I walk across campus wouldn't be bad from time to time.
2) While I don't need or use it, using mp3 players as audio recorders for lectures, concerts, note taking is an extremely popular feature.
And, yeah, the kids like their clear channel crap and recording the same from radio and friend's CDs. And while these uses m
Re:First things first (Score:3, Informative)
So those who want it can go ahead and do that with an iPod - all you need is a product like Griffin's iTalk [griffintechnology.com]. No problem.
Apple doesn't include it because, as you note, it's not a compelling feature for everybody - the rest of us don't have to pay the $5-$10 it would cost, or worse, have to carry around larger iPods.
Re:Even Steve Jobs Makes Mistakes (Score:2, Funny)
Stern's primary market is blue collar workers, not the young "hip" generation. The hip generation is just that, the hip generation. They won't have any hips left soon you see, because they shake them too much to that hip hop music. This is much like what happened with Elvis and his fans.
People wonder why there is so much hip replacement surgery going on these days. Personally, I'm considering starting SternWalkers and SternWheelchairs, since we all know that Howard Stern is th
Yeah, but he's right quite a bit, too. (Score:4, Informative)
Here's another example: Ever since he killed the Newton, a small, vocal group of people have been screaming for an Apple PDA. Jobs refuses to make one. Said small, vocal group of people say he's crazy for ignoring such a huge market, and then look what happens: PDA sales have been falling for the last three years. [zdnet.com]
~Philly
Re:Even Steve Jobs Makes Mistakes (Score:2)
Except of course for the part where Jobs has guided his companies to wild success and critical acclaim, and Carly's destroyed all that comes before her.
'cept for that part, yeah, definitely you have a point. Maybe.
Ok, you don't have a point at all. Never mind.
Re:Wait (Score:2)
Re:doubt it (Score:2)
Broadcast satellites are, generall, in geostationary orbit above the Equator, which is south of *everywhere* in the United States.
Re:Jobs is his own worst enemy (Score:2)
Technology for for technology's sake is idiotic.
Re:A nail in the coffin... (Score:2)
The only radio I listen to is internet radio occasionally via either iTunes or Audion.