CherryOS Not All It's Cracked Up To Be 581
CherryBS continues "PearPC developers who have seen CherryOS have confirmed it is a fraud, while others remaining anonymous have posted the 'strings' output that CherryOS and PearPC share, showing many function names, warning/informational message strings that exist verbatim in PearPC. Additionally, now-pulled screenshots of CherryOS, mirrored in the long thread at pearpc.net, show CherryOS's boot process revealing variable names and missing or incorrectly emulated hardware in such a way as to be specific to PearPC. Arben Kryeziu, the developer of CherryOS, claims that no code has been taken from PearPC whatsoever, and that he will release a trial version this week. However, with the amount of deception on the part of the company, and considering this wouldn't be the first time he's violated the GPL, it's hard to believe they're telling the truth. Additionally, Kryeziu now claims the "trial" may "disable modules like sound or drag and drop"...likely because PearPC itself does not support such features. To further add to the tale, someone who was likely Arben was specifically asking for video server load testing for their vx30.com video codec/server product, even specifically mentioning slashdot as a great candidate, and in the days following the CherryOS story unfolding, went back and deleted the posts. The first day, all that was left online were two videos, one of which was subsequently removed because of PearPC-specific strings in the boot process shown in the video..."
What a surprise (Score:3, Interesting)
Glad to see that my fears were vindicated. DIE, HOARDER SCUM.
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Funny)
Phish and chips? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd (Score:5, Insightful)
Easy. Piracy is different when you start selling pirated works online. I have no idea about the legal differences, but the moral implications are pretty clear to me.
In civilised countries... (Score:5, Insightful)
In civilised countries, piracy *begins* when you start selling the works. That's what piracy *is*.
Copyright infringement without monetary gain is just called "copyright infringement".
Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd (Score:5, Interesting)
Probably because the person involved is a commercial pirate. In other words they are selling someone elses copyrighted work without permission.
And yet, this attitude magically disappears in an MP3 or movie piracy article? Suddenly, THAT kind of piracy isn't "theft?"
Typically these copies are not being sold.
Honestly, what's the difference? In both cases, someone else's copyrighted materials are taken and used for their own purposes.
the difference between pure copyright infringement and copyright infringement plus making money from the infringement.
Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Question for the Slashdot crowd (Score:4, Funny)
Programming on the other hand definitely requires a certain amount of cognitive exercise.
Most programmers on the other hand, would be lost without standing on the backs of others - you say Britney can't write her own songs? Could you write your own compiler and libraries?
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Funny)
Ummm... no.
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
But to maintain credibility it is the media's job to do a reality check before posting stories, including press releases.
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
The Yahoo printing of the press release is not a bad thing. It's clearly marked as a press release. If you want to pay your $600 to BusinessWire, you too can post a press release announcing that "monkeys will shoot out of my nether eye in my office at midnight tonight." Yahoo will pick it up and run it in its financial news section, because that's what it does with press releases as they come along the wire.
This is a good thing - pre-Web, getting your hands on a company's press releases was more time consuming and sometimes expensive. I prefer being able to research what a company says about itself. Of course, believing what a company says about itself is another matter, but why would a person read something marked "press release" without a skeptical eye?
Did you know, for example, that the people quoted in press releases generally don't say what they're quoted as saying? No indeed, even if multiple companies are involved, a marcom person wrote the thing, ran it by someone else's marcom person, got approval, and put it out on the wire. In some cases, the quoted person doesn't even know they've been quoted. "I'm very excited about the prospect of monkeys flying out of UrgleHoth's nether eye," said Dr. Dew. "I'm just glad they're not going to fly out of mine."
And I'm puzzled what your problem is with the Wired piece. The writer clearly states the claims as "claims" - so carefully, in fact, that I was more skeptical after reading it than I was before.
That said, I wouldn't complain if news sources did a better job aggregating related stories so that it's as easy to find out that someone's a pathological liar as it is to find out whatever they said before it was verified as a lie.
I [heart] /. (Score:4, Insightful)
"I'm very excited about the prospect of monkeys flying out of UrgleHoth's nether eye," said Dr. Dew. "I'm just glad they're not going to fly out of mine."
Only on
Re:I [heart] /. (Score:5, Insightful)
That, my friends, is the beauty of free speech.
Re:I [heart] /. (Score:5, Insightful)
That, my friends, is the beauty of recursion.
Re:I [heart] /. (Score:5, Insightful)
That, my friends, is the beauty of Slashdot.
Now mod this insightful, please.
Re:I [heart] /. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Informative)
Once upon a time.. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, I lost that illusion years ago!
Press releases make up a large chunk of the tech 'news' being 'reported'. I know this since I've seen it happen with the press releases a company I used to work for sent out. (Guestimate: small blurbs nearly 100% company content, medium ones over 50%, large articles much less. Typically, the larger the subject, the less corporate content.)
In the case of CherryOS, I'd guess most everything posted was corporate content. Now that there is a scandal, you'll see some 'scoop' articles here and there...with lost of corporate content.
Press releases are very effective for both reporters and companies; the reporter can meet deadlines with something to show while the company benifits from a '3rd party' saying what they wrote. My experience is that a typical 'report' that at worst the press release is printed verbatim with some paragraphs chopped for space, though many more are only 20% non-company provided content.
Why bother reading tech rags when most is not original or is overly sensationalized? (Ex: Ziff pubs.)
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Informative)
The funny thing was, the installation instructions were something like 1. Install IBM DB2. 2. click on install icon and wait for authorization key window to open. 3. Call xyz-tech for an install key.
At that point we would talk them through some godawfull install and configuration process that could go on for days. But the reviewer never called, never got a key, and presumably never installed it, and the review was illustrated with the press release screen shots.
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Informative)
They released press releases to various UK trade magazines claiming various apects about this product, many of which were clearly not true. One was a list of client platforms that the product ran on, and this included various Windows, Mac and UNIX browser clients that had not been officially tested in any way. All were simply fabricated. Other claims about the product, such as the list of platforms that the server ran on, were equally false and untested, and due to a certain core third-party library only being available as a Windows DLL at the time, not possible to implement for at least another 6 months, if at all.
All the UK press printed the release notes without one even bothering to review the software.
I walked out of the company in disgust a few days later. They ceased trading a year or two later, after concentrating exclusively on the product at the expense of other core revenue streams.
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Funny)
Later however, the employees "fired" the boss by threatening to quit at which point the major investor replaced him. Eventually we got bought by a company that got bought by a major manufacture of high end router equipment painted Slashdot green.
We got paid in millions of dollars worth of Big Green Router Company stock when it was worth about $65 a share, then it went to $10 before we could sell but the IRS taxed it at the $65 value so that we all owed way more in taxes than it was worth. Then the Big Green Router Company outsourced the project to India and laid off the most senior people on the project. The bright spot is that my accountant says I'll be able to take $3000 off of my income tax for the next 92 years.
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Insightful)
Nah, just be journalists. Given a press release, "Product A rules!", a journalist asks "tell us why", while the current crop of media darlings simply says "tell us more!"
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Funny)
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Funny)
Serves the PearPC right for giving away their source code then! WTF did they expect would happen? Sheesh, if you don't want someone to borrow your code for another project then DON'T GIVE AWAY THE SOURCE CODE.
Re:What a surprise (Score:5, Funny)
Daniel
Re:What a surprise (Score:4, Insightful)
It seems that the consensus is that Apple actually loses a lot in the porting of their operating system to x86. For one, hardware support. The reason why MacOS X is as stable and runs as well as it does is because it is run on hardware specifically designed to use the software, and vice versa. If OS X were to move to x86, Apple would have to take into consideration the prospect of having it be run on literally millions of different combinations of hardware.
You may argue that Microsoft did a good job of this with Windows. However this is more of an accomplishment for the hardware vendors rather than Microsoft, as they are the ones that wrote the drivers. If Apple were to ship OS X for x86, then the hardware vendors, if they wanted to support the consumers using the system, would need to write new drivers. If you were to ask me, I would guess that the majority of the hardware vendors wouldn't even bother.
There may be a lot of interest from your standpoint in seeing Mac OS X being ported to the PC, however the general consensus is that Apple would be losing too much for them to see it as being worth it.
The surprise is on us. (Score:4, Insightful)
Glad to see my expectations were maintained. Mod me up, please.
Re:What a surprise (Score:3, Interesting)
Looks like someone (Score:4, Funny)
Really... (Score:3, Insightful)
So... (Score:5, Funny)
read the thread (Score:5, Informative)
The best programmer of all time??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:The best programmer of all time??? (Score:5, Funny)
This cannot be confirmed because when asking Derek about the possibility, he replied "No comment".
Re:The best programmer of all time??? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Who's Derek Smart? (Score:4, Informative)
Whew (Score:5, Funny)
legality (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:legality (Score:5, Informative)
Re:legality (Score:5, Informative)
Re:legality (Score:5, Informative)
You're thinking of the old-style bsd license. The GPL does not require listing the original authors. I just reread the license again, and it seems it does allow taking someone else's gpl'd program and claiming it is entirely your own.
Re:legality (Score:5, Informative)
The GPL does not require listing the original authors.
That is only true technically.
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty
So no, you don't have to list the original authors, but you do have to list the copyright holders. In most cases these are the one and the same, so while you are technically correct, in practice you are almost always wrong.
(Before anybody tries to redefine "appropriate copyright notice", please point out where the GPL transfers copyright. Hint: it doesn't.)
Re:legality (Score:3, Funny)
"...so while you are technically correct, in practice you are almost always wrong."
Sounds like something a fortune cookie would say to me.
It's the story of my life!
Re:legality (Score:5, Interesting)
According to his emails, it seems that he intends to distribute source code for CherryOS. We shall see. Has he distributed binaries to anyone yet? Whenever the "trial" starts, people will be able to request the source code.
Breach of the GPL contract??? (Score:5, Interesting)
On another note, it appears he's trying for an SCO style attack, where he repeats things so many times that people start to think that it must be true... and he's probably counting on the PearPC folks not having enough money to fight him in court. That's if he's actually planning to release his modified copy, to anyone but the press, which is also in question.
knowing a bit about PPC/x86 code translation and cross-platform emulation, and also knowing others who are currently working on many emulation projects, I can safely say that 80% performance is pretty much impossible in what he is doing. First off, you have little-endian vs. big endian architectures to deal with; then you have to also factor in OS overhead, memory management translation, processor-unique opcodes that must have their logic translated to a different meme, incompatible register types, etc. The PearPC guys did an excellent job of overcoming all these hurdles, but as anyone who has used PearPC knows, routing around the obstacles comes with a massive performance hit. If he said that CherryOS took an 80% performance hit and that a technology beta was going to be released soon, he would at least be talking in the realms of remote possibility.
I hope he likes bartending, or that the poor fool whose name he's possibly been using finds out what he's been up to before it is too late.
What a moron (Score:5, Interesting)
I mean seriously... this is about as bright as murdering your neighbor in your front lawn in the middle of the day and stretching their corpse out on a lawn chair in your yard while you cut the grass...
Re:What a moron (Score:5, Interesting)
Link [imblaze.com]
That's a MLM[oron] (Score:3, Interesting)
Stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)
Heh. If they can't even cover their tracks THIS BAD, no wonder they got catched (which is a good thing).
Now I wonder... are all GPL violators this clumsy? Probably not... you know the saying, for every thief you catch, hundreds still run free.
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Funny)
I think I just saw the head of a grammar nazi explode.
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Funny)
That's "descend upon." Clown.
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Interesting)
Unfortunately, they are making millions of dollars off of this open source software and the original author isn't seeing a penny. I feel bad, but I am one of two people who actually saw the source code (the other being the owner of the company).
If I said anything the company would instantly know who snitched on them and I'm not going to deal with those repurcussions.
They kept good tabs on making sure no one else could figure out they stole open source code and they continue to make large amounts of money on it today. So yes, not everyone is as clumsy as this person is.
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)
Explain the situation to the FSF and somebody would probably approach them.
If the code is similar chances are symbol table information / exports in DLLs etc would allow binary comparisons to be used to establish a connection.
That way source wouldn't need to be visible and you'd be clean.
Failing that tip off the author - if you don't work there anymore and you feel bad why keep quiet, and then tell the world anonymously?
Re:Stupidity (Score:4, Interesting)
Problem is the original source was for unix x-windows and the company I worked for ported it to windows for ActiveX and
Re:Stupidity (Score:5, Insightful)
You could at least mention the free product in question without outing your former company.
If you have any money a lawyer might be worth talking to. Whistleblower protection acts and anti-SLAPP protections might be worth looking at. You might be a co-conspirator if you don't come forward. Best to get real legal advice. Should cost you $300 for a couple hours.
Choice Quote (Score:5, Interesting)
"It is absolutely unlikely that someone uses exactly this name for the same purpose," he said. "The way he (Kryeziu) is lying is making me angry."
When told that variables with the same names had been found in both CherryOS and PearPC, Kryeziu said programming logic often leads to variables and functions with similar, or identical, names.
"There are some functionalities that can only be done a certain way," he said. "Names are going to be similar or identical because there are only certain ways to do things."
BUAHAHHAHAAHHAHHAHA
Yes, don't we all use that? (Score:5, Funny)
Then you come to the thought that this method is muti to the max, and out pops SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 right in the middle of your code. I must have that happen several times a day myself, and I don't even work with code that has anything to do with cherries - I just find them a tasty snack.
Re:Choice Quote (Score:3, Funny)
That's a great insult to bartenders all over the world. What's wrong with being a bartender? Besides, being a bartender would get one laid 1,000 times more than being a programmer.
Re:Choice Quote (Score:4, Funny)
I'm too lazy to dig out the slashdot story about the incident, but I do find another instance of denial in the face of obvious plagiarism amusing.
Heh (Score:5, Informative)
"Stolen" code? (Score:5, Insightful)
Cheers,
IT
Re:"Stolen" code? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:"Stolen" code? (Score:5, Informative)
As an aside, one of things the RIAA would like to do is remove that distinction, and thoroughly criminalize any copyright infringement of any kind. There are those here on Slashdot that see nothing wrong with that, I've noticed, and they won't until they end up arrested for copying a few pages from a library book.
Re:"Stolen" code? (Score:3, Insightful)
File traders don't claim they made the movie, they just made a copy of it. Again, I don't know whether or not it's illegal, but I don't feel bad about it. Oh no, the starving execs can't get a new Jaguar. Cry cry cry...
I will never understand this. (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I will never understand this. (Score:5, Insightful)
The clues (Score:5, Interesting)
This is just priceless... (Score:3, Funny)
CherryBS continues
With a little luck (Score:5, Funny)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
My site was one of the 1st to bring this to light (Score:5, Interesting)
I was one of the first to point this out and MANY of the PearPC forums respondents replied to me in email and told me about all the links within this article. (One of them is quite startling - about Arben having downloaded PearPC)
There are a few other insights at the link above.
Sorry to whore my own site, but I almost think it should be linked here too because I added a little political UNcorrectness to the mix.
Why the Cherry or The Pear May Be Apple's Next Lemon
I need a drink (Score:5, Funny)
"If it isn't, it will ruin my reputation," he said. "I will end up as a bartender. I do not want to be a bartender."
Can I get mine shaken, not stirred?
Re:I need a drink (Score:3, Informative)
Kryeziu said the CherryOS site was often unresponsive because of attacks from crackers and traffic. The site was unavailable most of Thursday because a cracker changed administrator passwords and key settings, he said.
"It's getting hacked like crazy," he said
So they're admitting that they don't know how to secure their web server very well then? Cuz I've run a number of web servers, and it's really not that hard to keep them from "getting hacked like crazy".
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SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SPIRO MULTIMAX 3000 (Score:3, Funny)
Text of debunking (Score:5, Informative)
To see the update from October 16th, click here.
To see the update from October 17th, click here.
I did a little investigating on CherryOS and I made several startling discoveries beyond its amazing similarity to PearPC. First, the individual who first posted on [H]ard|Forum about being given a "beta" test of CherryOS (that is, Dag33k), is in fact the same person as the alleged author of CherryOS, Arben Kryeziu. Interestingly, on HardForum Dag33k posted a link to the developer's response (alias: ArbenK) on the PearPC form. I have pretty sufficient evidence to suggest that these two people are one in the same. Look at the registration dates for Dag33k's account and Sourceforge's account for ArbenK. Coincidence?
HardForum's user information:
Sourceforge's user information:
Both dates, of course, are 2003-05-05.
Things get even more interesting, when we trap Arben Kryeziu in another lie. On the PearPC forum, he claims he doesn't speak any Albanian, as we see here:
But then strangely, earlier this year Arben (same screen name: arbishco) posted an Albanian translation for PJ IRC.
Now the shit really hits the fan. I started searching though his network of sites starting from bumpnetworks.com and found something even more interesting. If he's ripping off PearPC and violating the GPL, this is not the first time he's violated the GPL. On his bumpnetworks.com site, he has a link to piece of software he claims to have written, PdfConv (Link to image of description on website).
Now, as you'll see in the circled text, he claims it's based on Xpdf and VeryPDF. I went to VeryPDF and found their application PDF2HTML. Sure enough the product was GPL licensed and the source code is freely available (As seen in the following image). I downloaded trials of both to see how much different PdfConf was from PDF2HTML.
To Arben's credit, the interface is different from PDF2HTML, but identical in all other functions. The output from the same PDF file was almost identical. The only difference was that he took the time to remove the copyright notices from the generated html files. (As seen in this example graphical diff produced by WinMerge.) His output is on the left, PDF2HTML's output is on the right. Notice the only difference is the removal of the copyright notice.
I don't know if Arben changed any of PDF2HTML's code, but if he did, I'm not very confident he respected the GPL. From this, I have pretty good reason he is again disrespecting the GPL by pawning PearPC off as his own application. Finally, to summarize some other troublesome aspects regarding Arben, I found this slashdot post:
Sorry for all the inline images. I found this detective work fascinating, and I think its clear that Arben is perpetrating a fraud and that he personally has no respect for the GPL.
October 16th update:
I sent an email to Arben with a link to this page and a request to honor PearPC's GPL. This is the response I received:
From: CherryOS Team [mailto:mail@cherryos.com]
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 3:18 AM
To: 'Dean Beeler'
Subject: RE: PearPC is GPL (via Web form)
Hi Dean,
I am already talking to the PearPC.net webmaster, he will receive the trial as one of the first - because he treated us with respect and an open mind. I will let PearPC test the @#$@ out of CherryOS so you guys can try to prove your points. As you can see I have another product called www.vx30.com, and believe me I am not a person who wants to loose all his reputation. If you contact VeryPDF and ask them about our relationship - he will tell you that there was never one problem and I respected his rights and requests as soon they where submitted to me. I even can send you the communication between us.
I will and am respecting the PearPC GPL and the PearPC community! If people wont like the CherryOS emulation, then trash me then. If people don't want to purchase, they can use
more license violations (Score:5, Interesting)
- Hubert
Proof the GPL isn't business-friendly (Score:4, Funny)
I would not be surprised to see... (Score:3, Funny)
This is why I would love /.TV (Score:5, Funny)
We have seen the forum equivalent of that ambush but it is just not the same as watching this guy squirm as he is caught in his many lies.
DF
Check out this article on him (Score:5, Interesting)
Does anyone else some how find that his VX30 might be a rip off of the ogg theora java port. The fact that its listed on this site [videotechnology.com], right next to the java port of ogg theora is fishy..
Pattern developing? (Score:5, Insightful)
- Find successful, interesting, or promising open-source/free-software product.
- Steal that product's code.
- Get your "new" commercial/pseudo-commercial/"subscription coerced" project covered on Slashdot
- Profit!!!!
And the sick fact is, this moneymaking scheme works. How much money do you think "CherryOS" has made sinceThis raisesa question I have about the GPL! (Score:3, Interesting)
Yes, we do have the world-renowned "Slashdot Effect", which may cost him or her a little with their hosting company, but what other ramifications does the average GPLer hope for in cases such as this (profiting from GPL'd code without giving credit or $$ to the actual creators)?
I suppose that if the problem were big enough, one might hope for some support from the EFF [eff.org], and perhaps there's some other well-intending lawyers for the bigger GPL cases, but I see little to actually deal with some of guys like this. If I call up his local police, they'll be laughing at me all the way to the donut shop, not running over to arrest him and charge him with violating the GPL.
And the worst part of this, in my view, is that the average consumer isn't a geek, and so losers like this can still make money off them since they aren't privy to this "elite geek knowledge", as we obviously are. You and me can laugh tomorrow about how CherryOS is appearing to be every bit the fake that we all thought it was last week when it hit the boards, but the average guy who just wants to run that cool OSX on his $300 PC isn't going to be privy to this kinda news. So ol' Arben's still likely to make a nice bit of money off these people before disapearing with some easy cash (potentially, of course - There's no smoking gun showing that CherryOS is a fake yet to my knowledge).
So other than losing a few potential sales to us geeks, and getting a bad rap in the nerd pools around the world, is that all this guy can expect? Certainly the average GPL code writer's not going to have the knowhow or money to go after an anonymous name who could be anywhere in the world.
Does this kinda thing happen a lot? I can see where someone could likely get away with this and make some nice cash if they were to avoid very visible, and geeky products such as this. I mean... If I'm writing closed-source IVR software in Russia, and I just repackage a bunch of open source code as my own, what's the odds that anyone would notice? Now... Stealing a product as new, and with as big of "WOW" factor as PearPC takes some big balls, or a lot of stupidity, but for a lot of smaller, or less public projects, it wouldn't surprise me to find this was happening more often than people want to know about.
And for that matter, what's to prevent all the entepreneurs(sp?) out there reading this story from doing this? I can see at least one Slashdot reader going "It's just the GPL, and it looks like it's easy money! I'll just register me a fake domain, erase some copyrights and come up with a logo, and voila! I'm ready to start selling me my new Internet browser "FireWolf" for a nice profit"?
Sorry if this is a well known thing... I tend to avoid philosophic discussions on the GPL as often it's a lot of flaming, and little real knowledge, but this is a question I've always wondered, yet have never seen definatively answered.
Deja Vue? (Score:5, Informative)
The first thing I thought when I read the original /. story was that it sounded like Project David [wikipedia.org] all over again.
Project David was allegedly an entirely new way of running Windows applications on Linux, covered on slashdot here [slashdot.org] which was suspiciously similar to the Wine project...
how many closed-source PIRATES are there? (Score:3, Insightful)
this all brings to question: how many closed source companies live only from ripping off open source? hiding the traces, adding some stuff, releasing wondrously written self-serving press releases, where they denigrate open source and claim their own 'ingenuity and briliiance'?
who's really checking on them?
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There's more than one way to name a variable (Score:5, Interesting)
"Way slow" (Score:5, Funny)
Let's make sure I've got this straight (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny that point number two is just as true as point number one, but everyone on Slashdot seems to forget that when someone "steals" open source code. Well, I say if the music companies get no sympathy for people "stealing" their music, then open source coders deserve no sympathy for people "stealing" their code. "Get a better business model", right?
Re:And??? (Score:5, Informative)
you're incorrect about naming provisions... GPL is a license, and to use copyrighted GPL code, you need to attribute the copyright holder. You may distribute/use/modify, etc... however, the original code must still be attributed to the copyright holder.
Once again -
Re:And??? (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, nothing happens in the first place. If the original copyright holders know about it, they might initiate legal action. If you violate the GPL, you're typically redistributing without complying with the GPL. The GPL grants special rights to redistribute under certain conditions; without the GPL redistribution is copyright violation or something similar. That's the beauty of
Re:And??? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:And??? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:And??? (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.kernel.org/ [kernel.org] and http://www.gnu.org/ [gnu.org] are good places to start.
Re:variables with the same names..... (Score:5, Funny)
for(long SPIRO_MULTIMAX_3000 = 0; SPIRO_MULTIMAX_3000 < 256; i++) {
- ...
}C'mon now, doesn't everybody?
Re:variables with the same names..... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:variables with the same names..... (Score:5, Funny)