Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures 551
RAMMS+EIN writes with a good followup to the recent WWDC preview of Tiger, the next version of OS X. "eWeek has a slideshow illustrating some of Tiger's new features with screenshots. For a textual description, you can visit Apple's Tiger page."
Tiger says: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:YOU FUCKING FAIL IT! (Score:3, Funny)
Old CLI Geezer (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Old CLI Geezer (Score:5, Funny)
Old CLI Geezer-Toggle Terror. (Score:3, Funny)
Of course you were glad. Hands got tired of flipping toggle switches.
Re:Old CLI Geezer (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Old CLI Geezer (Score:5, Funny)
I might switch to mac (Score:4, Interesting)
I am seriously looking at getting a mac with this new OS.
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:5, Interesting)
Tiger is due out in the first half of 2005, so there's still quite a while to wait. Oh, and make sure you watch the recording of Steve Jobs' keynote [apple.com] if you have an hour and 40 minutes to spare. It's nice, and watching the new features being demonstrated is much better than just reading about them.
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:5, Insightful)
There are more games available for mac than you can ever play in one lifetime.
Yes, you can't build an awesome gaming rig for a cheap, and there are some games that will never make it over. Likewise, you will never be able to play Halo on PS2.
However, thousands of games are ported/written for mac every year, and while the video cards in most macs aren't anything to brag about compared to PC, they'll still play every game that comes out for them.
No, not breakout, or even super-breakout. I'm talking Halo, Unreal Tournament 2k4, Battlefield 1942, Age of Empires II, Dungeon Siege, etc, etc, etc. No, you can't play Counterstrike, but there's a lot more to gaming than CS.
Gah. Yes, buying a mac to do nothing but play games is stupid. However, "I like to play games" is *not* a good reason to not get a mac if the rest of your computing experience is at least as important.
Re:Yeah right (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Get an eMac (Score:2)
I mean iMac.
Re:Get an eMac (Score:5, Insightful)
Because OS X doesn't run on x86 laptops from 1998, and that's what he wants to run?
Nothing wrong with a 1.2ghz G4 by the way, though I hate to get into the whole 'megahertz myth' argument, so maybe next time.
My dad bought an eMac a few months ago. The extra $200 for a system that runs OS X makes up for the hours I'd have to spend removing spyware, patching, and keeping anti-virus definitions up to date. Not to mention those wonderful moments when nothing but a complete reinstall will do.
Re:Get an eMac (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:3, Insightful)
I won't claim that OS X and the iApps are perfect (I file bugs about interface problems all the time), and quite a lot of people don't like the way the finder works, or how the dock is implemented. However, I wouldn't say that XP works 'equally well'. At best, I find it performs adequately well. It manages to
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:3, Insightful)
Having said that I do think that OS-X is much better then XP. Expose alone is enough to give it the edge over windows. Once tiger comes out it won't even be close.
For an Alt-Tab replacement (Score:4, Informative)
"Focus window (active) or next window" to something. This gives you the iterate through windows, rather then iterate through apps functionality you are probably after.
I have it set to "Option ~"
Pretty much like Alt Tab on windows. I use it all the time.
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:3, Informative)
as for the global menubar, you and Paul Fitts [wikipedia.org] should have a little talk.
Re:I might switch to mac (Score:3, Informative)
At least on the PowerBook you can download the hack that makes the trackpad into a 3 button trackpad with scrollwheel action.
And yes, the menubar at the top of the screen is the sensible option for a fast interface. As long as the items on the menubar actually extend to the top of the screen, of course, so you can whack the mouse up there and click.
I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Insightful)
People that use Linux don't like to pay for software or deal with adware and shareware, so they have free second rate versions instead.
People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.
Apple also makes more software than Microsoft, and OSX comes with more free high quality tools. All that power in an OS and it still comes with a real comand shell. For the small market share Apple has, they seem to be doing a fine job of producing quality software.
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Insightful)
I think you're wrong about Windows users (who I believe you were referring to) not buying software. They must, looking at the sales figures of popular programs like Photoshop and MS Office, as well as games. For ever script kiddie playing a hacked copy of UT2K4, or whatever, how many do you think bought the real thing?
It's all pretty common, I think... (Score:2, Interesting)
>Games on the PC are a different animal, the rate of piracy is much lower.
I'm not sure about that one. I know a *lot* of people who regularly and methodically pirate all their games for their friends
I think software piracy across all fields is pretty rampant, to be honest. Although, I have never been spammed with ads for 'cheap' games like I do for applications (you know the ones, "Legitimate Software!" $50 for anything), and the markup for real pirates is probably much higher on apps, so you do ce
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Insightful)
But, 15 years later, I don't know anyone who steals any software.
When you make real money, with a real career, you have real expenses. Software is just one of them. But spending $500-$700 is not that big of a deal for a legitimate business.
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:2, Interesting)
Linux Users More Likely to Pay for Games? [slashdot.org]
Some people dont like "A Tale in the Desert" and some people are rabid about it. Personally, I like it. While I look for free or low cost software to do what I need, I will gladly pay for quality software if it suits my needs.
Having worked on both, I prefer Linux, however, OSX is VERY nice. I have found its software quality to be consistantly higher than the n
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:5, Interesting)
Other than that, I use IE, and WinZip, and Acrobat Reader, etc. Past that, I use OSS for most of my needs. This includes the Gimp, Cygwin, and such.
Other than the odd games, there is only one piece of software I remember really WANTING in the last few years. Only one that I was excited about.
OS X
In the past few years, I haven't come across any piece of software that I have wanted so much that I couldn't get free. I wanted to program? GCC was great. A good shell on Windows? I've got Cygwin. Etc, etc, etc. OS X just looked so great. Then my brother got a PowerBook, and I've gotten to use OS X once or twice. I want it even MORE now. I already resolved a year or two ago that my next computer would be a Mac so I could get OS X. There are other reasons, but they all pale in comparison to my want for OS X.
I don't mind paying for software when it's worth it. But so often, it's not worth the asking price. That's why I rent 95% of the videogames that I play. They just aren't worth the $60. Only when I KNOW that I really want the game, that it will be good, will I buy it. The titles that describes more than any other are Nintendo titles. Almost everything else I rent first (if I ever buy it at all). I don't mind paying for software at all, it's only fair that the people who make great stuff get money so they continue to do it.
The problem is that so little these days seems worth the money people want. The ones I hate the most are things like AV software. Stuff I shouldn't need, but I'm basically forced to buy.
I want OS X. It's worth it. It's head-and-shoulders above everything else out there.
I'll pay for software, but it's got to be worth it to me. OS X is so worth it, I'll switch platforms to get it. Now that's good software.
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:2)
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Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Interesting)
If you mean most
People on Macs actually pay for software, so Mac software (of you can afford to keep up) outclasses that of of the competition.
As I don't use a Mac, I can't comment about it outclassing competition (soun
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Interesting)
Where is your proof? How can you generalize that all users of Linux are freeloaders? I myself use Linux and I gladly pay for my Slackware CDs even though I can get them free off of an FTP site. I also donate to various project. I'd pay for all my games that I play.
How is Apache second rate to IIS? Infact, a of a lot of OS X is free software that's been bundled together.
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Interesting)
Now with OS, not only have I paid for every version and update of OSX since 10.0, but every single piece of shareware is paid for, including some I used for only a few weeks. I've a
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:3, Interesting)
If money is the only issue for programmers to write better software, why not can the company run by the world richest man accomplish it? Considering money as resource, Microsoft is by far the wealthies
Re:I think mac users are spoiled. (Score:4, Insightful)
New Feature: Spotlight (Score:5, Interesting)
You can seem from some of the pics on the page shown just how easy it will be to use spotlight. . At the top of every finder window - type the "keywords" and you're there.. Being able to store your "searches" will make this *really* powerful..
Once Tiger comes out I'm seriously considering moving to a Mac platform.. . I never thought I'd see the day...
Re:New Feature: Spotlight (Score:3, Insightful)
The obvious advantage is that it takes less time to find what you're after - but when hundreds of thousands of users start using this on their desktop, what will be next.. ? Perhaps a move away from straight hyperlinked navigation on the web - perhaps real
Re:New Feature: Spotlight (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:New Feature: Spotlight (Score:5, Interesting)
According to this [apple.com] page the file types it supports out of the box are:
Now I would have thought they would include MPEG4 files on that list, but I suspect they will be supported anyway. It's a pretty impressive list of files out of the box I think, and since from all indications, spotlight will be very extensible, I would expect this list to grow very fast as the community starts adding support for favored file types.
Re:New Feature: Spotlight (Score:3, Interesting)
Private Browsing looks cool... (Score:5, Insightful)
Sure beats creating a second firefox profile and clearing all your privacy info just to go surfing for pr0n...
Re:Private Browsing looks cool... (Score:3, Interesting)
Pr0n surfing feature... (Score:5, Funny)
automate pr0n (Score:5, Funny)
Heh
Re:automate pr0n (Score:5, Funny)
Do you mean size in pixels, or does this OS have some mad AI :)?
Re:Pr0n surfing feature... (Score:2)
I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:2, Interesting)
The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is.
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:2)
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:5, Interesting)
The appearance of a faster interface is just that - an appearance. Thats why when you boot XP the desktop will load really fast, but the HDD keeps spinning for a good while after. Same thing with Outlook - it will load the application window way before it finishes connecting to the server(s).
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3, Insightful)
Yes, OSX used to be slow, but that's not an issue I've had with Panther.
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:5, Informative)
On one of the PCs at work, right clicking on a folder would sometimes take like 20 seconds ot show up--it was insane. I ran regclean, and now it's instantaneous. If XP has a problem, it's cruft in the registry.
OTOH, you might want to take a look at my other post in this article--among professionals, a signifigant number have stuck with OS9 because osx gui etc and overhead is so much heavier than in os9 that programs like photoshop, illustrator, quark, etc run a lot slower.
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3, Insightful)
Part of it is GUI overhead, but a lot of it is probably having a proper scheduler, memory protection, and all the other trappings that go with a modern OS. Plus all the apps are made with higher-level libraries that incur more overhead themse
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3, Interesting)
I advocated switching our shop from OS9 -> OSX, and upon meeting resistance started reading forums and the like about it. I'm completely amazed by how the graphics and publsihing community en masse seems to have stuck with OS9 and old versions of software because there simply aren't enough worthwhile gains in productivity.
I personally can't use os9--i find it
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3)
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:2, Informative)
The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is."
I also use XP and OS X on a daily basis and don't find XP to be snappier at all. My XP box is a 2.8 Ghz Dell with 512 MB of RAM while my Mac is an 80
Re:I'm still hoping for a more snappy interface... (Score:3, Insightful)
I have the same Powerbook, and upgrading to 1Gig made a noticeable difference. By the way, Safari is under 2 seconds if it has been cached in memory. Granted it's slower when launched for t
The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots (Score:5, Insightful)
Jaguar seemed pretty polished to me, and Panther is simply the bomb. Tiger, I think, is going to be utterly and undeniably HOT. And consider this: It's not coming out for probably almost another year, and MANY more goodies will likely be unveiled in that time.
Who said Apple was really just a hardware company? I don't think so -- they are a computer company, and that means hardware and software, at least as far as they're concerned. And the synergy is simply amazing.
Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh God. Can we talk objectively for once? This nonsense of admonishing everything Apple creates on Slashdot is getting a little insane. And this is coming from someone currently typing on an iBook.
Apple makes very good UIs. They also tends to come out with some hardware hits (iPod) and misses (tie-dye iMac anyone)? They're a corporation like everyone else. They remain sile
Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots (Score:3, Interesting)
There are two issues with the iBook, though: I don't want to go Apple. Not that I don't like Apple, I've actually grown up with LCIIs and Perform
Re:The real juicy stuff isn't in the screenshots (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Dashboard (Score:5, Insightful)
What they have done now is to make it even easier for ordinary people to write little applets.
If you are kid learning to program I can't think of a better platform for you to learn on.
Re:Dashboard (Score:3, Insightful)
Oh, yes, I very much agree.
``What they have done now is to make it even easier for ordinary people to write little applets.''
Well, what's easier than designing an interface with Interface Builder, and putting in some Objective-C code to tie it together? Certainly not writing HTML and JavaScript...
``If you are kid learning to program I can't think of a better platform for you to learn on.''
Again, same point. Why is HTML+JavaScript _better_ than Interface Builder
Most important "new feature" (Score:5, Interesting)
Pretty much every previous release of MacOS X has brought speed improvements, and I want to know if Tiger will continue that tradition. Not all of us can afford G5s at the moment, and a speed increase would really make it shelling out another 80 bucks or so (.edu discount) worth it.
Re:Most important "new feature" (Score:5, Informative)
- Improved compiler (GCC 3.5) which can create better PPC code, especially for the G5
- Improved Quartz Extreme. The core image API that was demo'ed included QE enhancements and performance increases.
- Some of the iApp's such as Mail, Address Book and iCal have seen significant rewrites
- Improvements to SMB and most networking protocols
Obviously that is not an exhaustive list, but you can find more info on Apple's website.Re:Most important "new feature" (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, saying this, I can't wait for Apple to make all of Mac OS X 64bit because we may finally be able to address more than 2Gb of RAM with each application, a major sore point for people buying G5's.
new features (Score:5, Insightful)
Apple is already anticipating Microsoft will copy them, just check out the Shirts [ebay.com] from WWDC!
Also notice how little features each windows released comes with, even though they are released every 3 years. Well according to MS 'longhorn' will be more stable, of course only if you have 2 gigs of RAM.
Shirt Size (Score:2)
Re:new features (Score:3, Insightful)
95-98-ME were all fairly incremental installs, though 98 was pretty signifigant over 95. The discussion for these dead operating systems is pretty much over though--unless you want to argue about 4 year old systems.
NT -> 2K -> XP on the otherhand have all been huge releases--much bigger than any of the OSX releases, though 10.0 -> 10.4 is pretty damn big.
And also, let's n
Re:new features (Score:3, Insightful)
Dave
Re:new features (Score:3, Informative)
Fast-user switching? That's not a really big feature, and MS are playing catch-up with everyone else in this area anyway. You still have to basically log out - it's not like you can open up an app as a different identity or anything useful like that.
Multi-monitor support? We're really reaching the bottom of the barrel now.
Re:new features (Score:3, Insightful)
I was doing expanded desktop on my SE/30 running System 7. It may be that Mac had expanded desktop (meaning that if you connect a second monitor, you get a big connected desktop) has been around at least since the System 6 days.
Re:new features (Score:3, Insightful)
It's an OLD feature.
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number 54 (Score:3, Funny)
Finally, games for the Mac!!!
Very nice screenshots. (Score:2)
Konfabulator vs. Dashboard (Score:4, Informative)
OldER-than-CLI Geezer (Score:4, Funny)
Spam? (Score:4, Funny)
Seriously the pipeline goes Address Book --> Mail Merge --> Group Mailer.
WTF?
The new hardware is sexy too (Score:5, Informative)
Two 30" 2560x1900 widescreen displays being driven by a new custom Nvidia 6800 Ultra [thinksecret.com]
It looked practical too, there was a demo with Final Cut Pro running with several tools up on the right, and the HD video up on the left. Seemed like a pretty useful setup.
I checked, and a "nicely equipped" dual monitor dual g5 came up to just under $12,000 on the apple store. Seems like a lot to most of us, but that's chump change for a high-quality HD video editing kit.
Also, I got about 50fps on Unreal Tournament 2004 running at 2560x1900 with all settings at maximum.
Re:The new hardware is sexy too (Score:3, Interesting)
The 30" dual display setup is quite cool. Corner to corner very bright and even in temprement. Power and contrast ontrols are on the right hand side. If you have a dual monitor set up like this you might think at first that it would be hard to adjust the left monitor, but the screens tilt swivel quite effortlessly which makes the c
Re:The new hardware is sexy too (Score:3, Informative)
WWDC version apparently leaked. (Score:3, Interesting)
ed2k://|file|WWDC-MacOS_10.4_Tiger_BETA-DVD.dmg|17 55661594|C8F595F390FE56A073D57D6D84CF21F1|/
Re:WWDC version apparently leaked. (Score:3, Interesting)
Bah old news, see the live video demo (Score:2, Informative)
note: click on "Watch Now"!
Hell yeah. (Score:5, Interesting)
And that was a very extremely useful feature of BeOS. I'm glad the idea lives on in Tiger.
Oh yeah, and the under-the-hood shit they mentioned like ACLs is pretty exciting.
I hope you can access their "smart folders" as directories on the file system. That would make it possible to script all kinds of crazy and weird shit. Hell yeah.
Oh yeah, and one more thing. Their automator thing looks pretty awesome. Drag a bunch of events from a library of events into the damn thing, set some damn parameters, and you can save that setup if you want... it's kind of like scripting, but without any scripting syntax. Smart... very friggen smart.
Oooooooooooooooooooooh well.
when you hire the BeFS designer... (Score:3, Informative)
what about Linda? (Score:5, Funny)
Teach Me Tiger!
HFS and Command-Line Support (Score:5, Insightful)
Perhaps the most significant improvement is what seems to be the integration [apple.com] (finally) of complete HFS+ file-system functionality into the mainstay command-line apps such as cp, tar, rsync etc:
It's been a long time coming, but I think finally we have a fully scriptable Mac at all levels of system administration.Torrent file here (Score:3, Interesting)
http://66.90.75.92/suprnova//torrents/2052/tige
Please, please, please keep the torrent client up after you have downloaded.
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Re:title bar (Score:3, Informative)
2: Blue is a standard (and default) highlight color on Macs, since before OS X, and almost all of the places that are shown blue could well be highlighted in those screenshots.
It really looks almost the same as my current desktop, with the single exception of the reverse-color 'Apple' men
Re:title bar (Score:3, Informative)
Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (Score:2, Interesting)
Also, it's not like we don't have oodles of disk space now. Just don't open the apps you don't intend to use.
Re:They said that Linux users are spoiled? (Score:5, Insightful)
If you used OS X, you'd know that such an option already exists. Just click on the "advanced install" button and deselect the packages you don't want. Couldn't be simpler.
Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (Score:5, Insightful)
Windows 2000 = WinNT 5.0
Windows XP = WinNT 5.1
Is that a service pack too?
Yeah, I know, don't feed the trolls...
Re:CALLING ALL APPLE FAGGOTS (Score:2, Funny)
Correct. An oxymoron is something like "interesting FP" or "quiet flamewar" or "entertaining flamebait"
Unless they were actually suggesting that all apple users are, in fact, not 'faggots'. Now, I'm no homophobe, but that is definitely not true.
Re:Bah! (Score:3, Informative)
Re:But boy... (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe that's because Apple hasn't repeatedly abused the trust of its users and its software doesn't call home without the user's knowlege or consent?
Re:Spotlight (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, you can make special "views" of files for specific tasks. For example, you can have all the files associated with a certain project in a saved search, when they are actually organized in a different way (say by file type)
More concrete example: You're working on a video. You have source footage, audio tracks, and images in ~/Movies, ~/Music, and ~/Pictures, respectively. These were created by various co-workers, and not all of them are being used for the current project. Spotlight would let you create views for "show me all the files associated with my project" and "show me all the files created by $this_other_guy", etc.
Re:Spotlight (Score:3, Interesting)
Actually, this is one thing I am really looking forward to. I have been downloading a lot of research papers from arXiv, and I now find myself wit
Re:what is MSFT charged for service packs? (Score:3, Informative)
Now Tiger is a upgrade but it's a complete OS. Meaning you don't need anything on the HD to install it. You can install Panther on a formated HD or on top of Jaguar.
Also since Apple doesn't require a serial any group of folks can buy one copy of Tiger and then just share the copy. My friend just did this and only paid $5.00 for his copy.
And if your student you can get it from Apple for $6