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Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures 551

RAMMS+EIN writes with a good followup to the recent WWDC preview of Tiger, the next version of OS X. "eWeek has a slideshow illustrating some of Tiger's new features with screenshots. For a textual description, you can visit Apple's Tiger page."
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Tiger Slideshow: Pretty Mac OS X Pictures

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  • Get an eMac (Score:1, Informative)

    by radicalskeptic ( 644346 ) <tritone@@@gmail...com> on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:16PM (#9603386)

    • It's cheap. While 799-999 isn't exactly "cheap" in the PC world, it's the most affordable computer that Apple makes right now. If you don't like it, you can sell it and not take as much as a hit as if you had, say, bought a PowerMac G5.
    • It's all you'll need. You just said that all you do is email, internet, documents, etc. You don't need more than 1.25 GHz for that.
    • It's a good deal at the moment. It has the same processor speed as an eMac, for much less money.

    If you do decide to get a Mac, make sure to pump it full of RAM. I'd say 512 MB is a good amount, but nothing less, certainly not the stock 256 stick.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:26PM (#9603441)
    The easiest thing would be to have an option not to install the stuff I don't want. Why should I have to drag and drop hundreds of icons to the trash can? Think of the time I have to waste to do that.

    Well then USE the option not to install the stuff you don't want when you install OSX. That's what it's there for.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:30PM (#9603459)
    Not trolling--a real question. If you decide to whack iPhoto, then change your mind, do you have to do a complete reinstall to get it back, or can you just copy it from your install CD?

    The install CD contains packages much like .deb or .rpms (ok it's a vague resemblance, but it's the closest thing for a quick explanation). Doubleclick the package, and that package installs.

    They're not quite as discrete as linux packages though - many sets of utils are grouped together - but there's still a good few dozen of them in total that you can pick through.

    If you really need to just install one app, you can use a utility such as Pacifist, which will pull any package into its subpackages, and you can install those.
  • by Twid ( 67847 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:36PM (#9603488) Homepage
    Tiger looked really neat, especially the search/metadata functions, but the most amazing display at WWDC was this:

    Two 30" 2560x1900 widescreen displays being driven by a new custom Nvidia 6800 Ultra [thinksecret.com]

    It looked practical too, there was a demo with Final Cut Pro running with several tools up on the right, and the HD video up on the left. Seemed like a pretty useful setup.

    I checked, and a "nicely equipped" dual monitor dual g5 came up to just under $12,000 on the apple store. Seems like a lot to most of us, but that's chump change for a high-quality HD video editing kit.

    Also, I got about 50fps on Unreal Tournament 2004 running at 2560x1900 with all settings at maximum. :)

  • by jomas1 ( 696853 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:37PM (#9603495) Homepage
    " It's true to say that OS X has gottten a lot faster since it first came out... But it's still not as snappy as XP. I own Macs and PCs and you notice the difference the second you jump off your mac after working on it for a while and get on your XP box...
    The Mac is now workable for any type of task... it's *that* fast... but it's still not where XP is."

    I also use XP and OS X on a daily basis and don't find XP to be snappier at all. My XP box is a 2.8 Ghz Dell with 512 MB of RAM while my Mac is an 800 Mhz ibook with 640 MB of RAM.
    If I turn Zone Alarm off, the two computers perform almost identically even though the Dell comp has the Mhz advantage. (I will not run an XP box without spybot and zonealarm. It's always amazing to see what windows apps phone home when you are using them.)
  • Re:Bah! (Score:3, Informative)

    by BasilBrush ( 643681 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:40PM (#9603516)
    September. Aluminium look.
  • by Klanglor ( 704779 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:46PM (#9603546)
    Bah old news, see the live video demo of the WWDC 04 Keynote [apple.com]re-broadcast!

    note: click on "Watch Now"!
  • by Moridineas ( 213502 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @10:50PM (#9603563) Journal
    Slow directory listings are usually bad registory settings cauwed by the installation of some annoying program.

    On one of the PCs at work, right clicking on a folder would sometimes take like 20 seconds ot show up--it was insane. I ran regclean, and now it's instantaneous. If XP has a problem, it's cruft in the registry.

    OTOH, you might want to take a look at my other post in this article--among professionals, a signifigant number have stuck with OS9 because osx gui etc and overhead is so much heavier than in os9 that programs like photoshop, illustrator, quark, etc run a lot slower.
  • by mj_1903 ( 570130 ) on Saturday July 03, 2004 @11:24PM (#9603693)
    Yes it will provide more speed increases. Lets take a look at some of the areas:
    • Improved compiler (GCC 3.5) which can create better PPC code, especially for the G5
    • Improved Quartz Extreme. The core image API that was demo'ed included QE enhancements and performance increases.
    • Some of the iApp's such as Mail, Address Book and iCal have seen significant rewrites
    • Improvements to SMB and most networking protocols
    Obviously that is not an exhaustive list, but you can find more info on Apple's website.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @12:15AM (#9603879)
    Ironically, there are at least two legal solutions. First, if your Mac came with Graphic Converter it can play full screen - at least it does in Slide Show mode; not sure how to do it otherwise.

    More importantly, MPlayerOSX [sourceforge.net] is an OS X wrapper for MPlayer that handles full screen, plus the bonus of WMV files. My only gripe with it is that though it has a playlist it won't play through them. (At least 6.5 doesn't; I hadn't realized there was a 7.0 until researching this link.) Makes queuing up Red vs. Blue [redvsblue.com] a pain.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @12:15AM (#9603881)
    Well PearPC was pretty slow on my dual Opteron 846 machine so I wouldn`t advise it really :(
  • by drewness ( 85694 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @12:25AM (#9603953) Homepage
    Apple hired a bunch of Be engineers when the company went out of business and the assets were sold to Palm. And amongst the people they hired is Dominic Giampaolo, designer of the Be File System. Now Mac OS and HFS+ are getting things like journaling and Query like features. It's quite nice. Apple seems to be getting the best of several worlds by buying NeXT and hiring lots of former Be people and Jordan Hubbard from FreeBSD.
  • by ITR81 ( 727140 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @12:33AM (#9604004)
    Do you know what OSX service packs are?? Updates Like going from 10.3.2 to 10.3.3 to 10.3.4. All are free to DL.

    Now Tiger is a upgrade but it's a complete OS. Meaning you don't need anything on the HD to install it. You can install Panther on a formated HD or on top of Jaguar.

    Also since Apple doesn't require a serial any group of folks can buy one copy of Tiger and then just share the copy. My friend just did this and only paid $5.00 for his copy.

    And if your student you can get it from Apple for $69.00

  • by JPriest ( 547211 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @01:02AM (#9604105) Homepage
    Counter stike was one of the things on that list! Hardly any of the products in that list are actually made by MS. Just a bunch of books, games, and hardware that relate to their products.
  • Re:title bar (Score:3, Informative)

    by Daniel_Staal ( 609844 ) <DStaal@usa.net> on Sunday July 04, 2004 @01:22AM (#9604157)
    1: The pinstripes have been fading since the introduction of OS X, and are already completely missing in 10.3. (At least in the menu/title bars. There are a couple of places where they still exist, almost subliminally.)

    2: Blue is a standard (and default) highlight color on Macs, since before OS X, and almost all of the places that are shown blue could well be highlighted in those screenshots.

    It really looks almost the same as my current desktop, with the single exception of the reverse-color 'Apple' menu, and squared-off corners on the menubar. (And discounting the new features, of course.) I don't see what you are talking about.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @01:31AM (#9604187)
    Your point that every operating system has its share of annoyances - I couldn't agree more.

    I wouldn't say that some of the things you mention are design flaws, however.

    Is it bad that OS X has no 'maximize' button (in its place there is a 'zoom to fit' button)? I wouldn't say so - both are imperfect, but I have found 'zoom to fit' more useful.

    Here is how you can test it out for yourself. If AOL Instant Messenger is available to you on a Windows platform, sign on and then shrink your buddy list until some people on it are hidden - and then maximize your buddy list. The buddy list will occupy your whole display, which is something no one would ever want to do. Nor are you able to resize the window while it is in its maximized state - didn't know what a poor design choice this was until I switched.

    If you had the beautiful open-source Adium client [adiumx.com] (based on libgaim, but only available on the Mac), you would be able to zoom to fit instead. Your buddy list will grow vertically (revealing as many contacts as it is able to fit on-screen), but it won't occupy the whole screen. I believe this behavior is preferable. If the 'zoom to fit' button fails you, you're able to go back and manually resize - without having to 'restore' the window to its non-maximized state. This behavior is intuitive and easier to learn initially. If you think about it, having two window states (maximized/non-maximized) is as silly as falling back on a console-based editor with edit and insert modes (which OS X allows you to do 'out of the box' - I do love my vim! :) [apple.com]
  • Re:title bar (Score:3, Informative)

    by mrchaotica ( 681592 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @01:48AM (#9604243)
    The pinstripes are still (barely) visible on the menu bar and not-in-focus title bars in 10.3.4 (using it right now). Just look closer.
  • by rjung2k ( 576317 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @02:13AM (#9604314) Homepage
    They didn't. [daringfireball.net]
  • by SiMac ( 409541 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @03:02AM (#9604415) Homepage
    AAC uses an MP4 container, so it pretty much has to be supported.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @03:12AM (#9604442)
    NOLF 2...
    Might and Magic...
    This list goes on of things not ported to the Mac. And when they are, they are ported. Very rarely do they come out in a reasonable time frame after they have been released for the PC.

    The rest of my computing experience is just as important as playing games. But I want current games. That's why I keep a Windows install around. Just for games.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @03:12AM (#9604444)
    OS9 and the previous OS10s had indexing, too, but it was a complete mess and took forever, and if you were using your computer at midnight, suddenly your machine would start thrashing and your Marathon frame rate (yes, Marathon!) would drop down to 0.3. THAT was bloatware, as it is in Windows, and Finder Indexing was universally turned off by anyone who knew better.

    Since this thing indexes in the background, and on saves, I'm hoping it'll be faster. It also should save some time since it's only reading embedded meta-data, and not the whole darn file.
  • Re:Get an eMac (Score:3, Informative)

    by wheany ( 460585 ) <wheany+sd@iki.fi> on Sunday July 04, 2004 @04:31AM (#9604663) Homepage Journal
    Virii is not a word.
  • by mj_1903 ( 570130 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @04:40AM (#9604697)
    64 bit computing will not bring about faster day to day usage unless you are addressing over 4Gb of RAM. Even then, Panther supports 42bit addressing which is way more than the 8 slots on a G5 can handle.

    Of course, saying this, I can't wait for Apple to make all of Mac OS X 64bit because we may finally be able to address more than 2Gb of RAM with each application, a major sore point for people buying G5's.

  • Re:new features (Score:3, Informative)

    by vandan ( 151516 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @04:41AM (#9604704) Homepage
    Radical GUI changes? For Christ's sake, they put a stupid red & blue coloured skin on the thing, and we're all supposed to stare in jaw-dropping wonder? GUI changes argument denied.

    Fast-user switching? That's not a really big feature, and MS are playing catch-up with everyone else in this area anyway. You still have to basically log out - it's not like you can open up an app as a different identity or anything useful like that.

    Multi-monitor support? We're really reaching the bottom of the barrel now. Other OSs have also had that for yonks.

    'Various multimedia additions'. Cool. Got to love that 'various additions'.

    A picture viewer? Fuck me if that's not a feature to be raving about.

    Oh yeah. The log-on screen.

    WOW! What a list of improvements. Pitty they didn't make it more stable. Or more secure. Or add some new features.
  • by Hes Nikke ( 237581 ) <slashdot@gotnate.cAUDENom minus poet> on Sunday July 04, 2004 @05:31AM (#9604826) Journal
    Someone might want to tell Kensington [kensington.com], Microsoft, Logitech [logitech.com], Wacom [wacom.com], etc that their mice don't work with the Mac. Someone might also want to tell apple to stop selling those mice in their online and retail stores...

    as for the global menubar, you and Paul Fitts [wikipedia.org] should have a little talk.
  • by hattig ( 47930 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @07:29AM (#9605017) Journal
    Indeed. The only issue is that Apple don't give the option of getting a 2 or 3 button mouse instead of the unimouse that they supply by default with a system.

    At least on the PowerBook you can download the hack that makes the trackpad into a 3 button trackpad with scrollwheel action.

    And yes, the menubar at the top of the screen is the sensible option for a fast interface. As long as the items on the menubar actually extend to the top of the screen, of course, so you can whack the mouse up there and click. Hell, Windows still doesn't extend the taskbar items to the base of the screen for some elements, meaning you still have to aim the mouse pointer. The menubar at the top is something that MacOS and AmigaOS both got correct.
  • by TheRaven64 ( 641858 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @07:54AM (#9605083) Journal
    On another stand they had the 17" Powerbooks hooked up to the 23" inch displays. I speculated to the Apple rep standing there that they didn't put the 30" display there because the "huge" Powerbook display seems puny next to the 23". He said though that the issues were with the graphics card in the PowerBook that were being worked on. He wouldn't say if that was heat problems or transfer speed (or what), but if PowerBooks can't drive these monitors that'll leave just DVI based machines. (including Windows machines).

    The 30" displays require a dual link DVI connection, which is currently only present in the new nVidia card (6800?), to provide enough bandwidth. The current PowerBooks (and PowerMacs) only have single-link DVI connectors. Hopefully the next revision of the PowerBook will contain a card that can drive one of these things (not that I will be able to afford one).

  • by AnEmbodiedMind ( 612071 ) on Sunday July 04, 2004 @08:09AM (#9605136)
    If you want behaviour like windows' Alt-Tab, go to System Preferences, Keyboard and Mouse, Keyboard Shortcuts, and create a short cut for:

    "Focus window (active) or next window" to something. This gives you the iterate through windows, rather then iterate through apps functionality you are probably after.

    I have it set to "Option ~"

    Pretty much like Alt Tab on windows. I use it all the time.
  • by dankow ( 462225 ) <<dankow> <at> <mac.com>> on Sunday July 04, 2004 @10:49AM (#9605693) Homepage
    I have yet to find a way to maximize a window with the keyboard.

    I'm not trying to debate any of your points here; just trying to be helpful. If you turn on the keyboard shortcut for Focus on Dock (in the Keyboard and Mouse preference pane), ^F3 (or any shortcut you want) will take you to the Dock, and you can use the arrow keys to select the window that you want to maximize. Then just press Return and there's your window!
  • Re:Get an eMac (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 04, 2004 @02:32PM (#9607162)
    bug free. But let's say everyone switched from Wintel PCs to the Mac platform. Wont we be slammed with viruses and spyware again thanks to the commonality of everyone using the same system? Or, is the OS really that much better in terms of security compaired to say.. Windows XP?

    You are assuming that OS X is safer simply due to "security through obscurity." That isn't true. OS X really is designed to be more secure. Read this article. [washingtonpost.com]

    If the user bases were equal, Windows XP would STILL have more malware.

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