Apple Rolls Out AirPort Express, AirTunes 795
das writes "Apple has introduced AirPort Express (specs), a palm-sized, portable 802.11g base station with 10/100 ethernet, USB printer sharing, and analog and optical audio output, for connection to a stereo system or powered speakers for streaming your music collection via 'AirTunes.' It supports multiple profiles for easy use at multiple locations It can plug directly into the wall as a "power brick", or use a longer power cord, similar to the newer PowerBook AC adapters. AirTunes requires iTunes 4.6, expected to be available soon."
This rocks! They will sell millions. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:This rocks! They will sell millions. (Score:5, Informative)
Airport Express != slimp3 (Score:5, Insightful)
I really see this as being a great product for sharing the audio on your laptop and playing it on a friend's stereo. But this device doesn't even come close to what a slimp3 or a Roku Soundbridge [rokulabs.com] can do.
One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.
Re:Airport Express != slimp3 (Score:5, Insightful)
Which will be sitting on your lap instead of across the room next to the TV. Which will have a 1 megapixel or bigger display, instead of a 2x24 character LCD.
One thing missing from this device is a real optical out. I'm sorry but going analog mini jack -> digi optical doesn't make any sense.
Do you really think placing the LED 12" differently in either direction matters? It's not like the DAC is all optical internally.
optical out really makes sense here....not. (Score:4, Funny)
Yeah, and AAC/MP3 -> digi optical does...? You're not going to be playing audio CDs in your powerbook if you care about this sort of thing, because after all, you've got a $1k CD player, right?
Yeesh, you audio weirdoes...
Re:Airport Express != slimp3 (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Airport Express != slimp3 (Score:5, Informative)
It's not a regular analog mini. It's a combo, regular analog mini on the outside, LED at the tip firing "down the middle" of the plug for digital. This has also been done on some Sony MDs. It's sending regular S/PDIF optical though.
-T
Re:Airport Express != slimp3 (Score:4, Informative)
It is a REAL optical out, any Circuit City, Best Buy and the like will likely have an optical miniplug to TOSLINK adaptor in stock. It is a black plastic miniplug with an optical pass-through to a socket. I have several that came with TOSLINK cables.
It's got no local display or controls... (Score:4, Informative)
You could use the ATI Remote Wonder RF remote control in the living room to skip forward and backward in the playlists while flying blind, but that's hardly the same as scrolling through them on the SLIMP3's text display.
What's needed now is something that looks and works like an iPod, but is actually an RF remote control for AirTunes...
-Mark, who wants one anyway for travelling
Re:It's got no local display or controls... (Score:5, Informative)
This is designed to replace ugly and bulky cables and half-assed-but-functional DIY schemes.
Re:It's got no local display or controls... (Score:4, Insightful)
You mean, like an iBook [apple.com]?
Love letter to Apple (Score:5, Funny)
Please stop making so many little, cool geek products. I'm running out of money.
Love, Norm
Re:This rocks! They will sell millions. (Score:5, Insightful)
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Apple Personal Modem lives again! (Score:5, Informative)
my 1000th post!
iPod with WiFi next? (Score:5, Interesting)
Next step: having an iPod with WiFi that streams music/video to this baby! That would be super cool, and such a fun party trick. No more cables.
Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Cool! (Score:5, Funny)
Because of the Broadcom/Linux issue I guess it's back to ethernet this summer.
Maybe we should just set up mpd.
apple innovates again (Score:4, Interesting)
notice as well.. the thing has OPTICAL out capabilities. i see 5.1 surround coming from itunes soon.
sigh (Score:5, Funny)
Where is my credit card?
Questions (Score:5, Interesting)
It looks like you can also use this in a wired fashion, where you connect this device to your wired network, and it will do the audio out as well. For me this would be more handy, because I already have ethernet wire to my stereo, but need a good way to get audio out of that... Is this actually how it will work?
One thing this is missing is a way to control iTunes remotely. I still think slimp3 is on the right track. A server with a web interface that lets you control what music you're playing where. I might want my PC in my office in charge of storing and dishing out the music, but have a webpad or something floating around my house to let people control what is playing where.
Re:Questions (Score:5, Informative)
Doesn't look like it from the screen shots. It appears to be a drop-down menu, not checkboxes, so I would imagine one at a time.
It looks like you can also use this in a wired fashion, where you connect this device to your wired network, and it will do the audio out as well.
Nope. Check the comparison chart on Apple's site, and you'll see that it doesn't connect to the LAN, just to the Internet.
One thing this is missing is a way to control iTunes remotely.
Just a guess, but I'd say there will be several products announced in July or thereabouts that will allow you to control all of this through the AirTunes network.
=Brian
Sounds good to me (Score:4, Interesting)
awesomely bitchin! (Score:5, Funny)
This'll be badass with my shreddin air guitar!!
It's More Than Music (Score:3, Interesting)
So, yeah...compared to the full features of a Squeezebox for music, it's lacking. And compared to the price of a Linksys or other 802.11 router...a little more expensive.
I'll take wireless access to my stereo from my G5...which I already drive around via Bluetooth from my phone when I'm too lazy to move off the couch. Who needs a remote??
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Call Me Amish, But... (Score:5, Funny)
Apple listens to customers... (Score:5, Insightful)
Those tiny white earbuds become tiny white pains in the ass if used for any period of time, and I like to hear the phone ring while I'm working.
You can bet your tail this device is only the beginning and can probably offer hints to the next iPod revision: wireless and remote-control modes.
Apple finally has a respectful user-base and they'll do anything they can to keep it for as long as possible.
Re:Apple listens to customers... (Score:5, Funny)
You're supposed to stick them in your ear.
Re:Apple listens to customers... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Apple listens to customers... (Score:5, Insightful)
What I'm about to say may have been your intention, but if not, you may have hit on a huge selling point for these things.
A fair amount of complaints about this device have been the fact that it has no local display and can only be controlled from a computer with iTunes. What if the next gen iPod could act like a remote (using IP over WiFi) for this thing? You could turn on your iPod, select the "Stereo" menu and see what's playing, queue up new songs (likely only those stored on you computer, since you'd want to shut off the iPod to avoid draining battery), etc all from the spiffy iPod interface.
With something like that, Apple would be offering the ultimate music experience and give tons of people a reason to drop money into Apple's bank account. Get a Mac to organize all your tunes (or stick with the PC, if you like that sort of thing), buy a few of the devices for all your stereos/rooms, blanket your house in WiFi all the time, then buy an iPod for you/spouse/kids, etc that they can use to hear their favorite music wherever they are in the house. When you go out, you've got a portable jukebox as well.
Apple is well on the way to revolutionizing the music experience. They are just a few steps away from the ultimate in convienice.
This thing will sell like hotcakes (Score:3, Insightful)
Repeater (Score:5, Informative)
Watch, this is a Trojan Horse... (Score:5, Interesting)
Movies over 802.11g (Score:4, Informative)
However the next generation of wireless protocols will have enough raw bandwidth to stream raw DVDs and sound as well (in theory).
Interestingly people seem to be skipping over the fact that this device is a bridge. Many components in the Entertainment center are, or will be shortly, ethernet enabled. Apple has really covered their bases with this product as it has a lot of appeal to very different market segments. I
Re:Watch, this is a Trojan Horse... (Score:5, Interesting)
This is the problem with Apple innovation, it seems so obvious and logical in retrospect that you tend to discount it because it is so elegant and obvious.
But it's also interesting to note that Apple continues to innovate in ways that Microsoft can't because they're tied to a software only model and let others make the hardware (except for the X-Box). And it's also interesting because Apple seems to approach everything from a "modular" angle, letting bits and pieces build on each other as technology matures as opposed to the MS way of saying "this is how we are going to innovate, so all you better start." In short, Apple cuts out the nebulous third "????" step, patiently waiting until all the technology is there, all their ducks in order and then they release it and it isn't some half-assed near solution but a complete paradigm.
Look at the PowerBook. They held off on G4's until they could do them right.
Note to Apple (Score:5, Interesting)
However, I don't *want* to stream iTunes (AirTunes
Can *any* device do this without a TV? I found this DVD player [com.com], but it's not what I'm looking for, either.
Re:Note to Apple (Score:4, Funny)
Earbuds (Score:5, Funny)
Repeating with non-Apple base stations (Score:3, Interesting)
Modem (Score:3, Insightful)
Although it is nice that it can automagically act as a wireless bridge.
Just my
Geoffeg
Since it's on topic.... (Score:5, Informative)
An update a month or two ago completely hosed both the base station and client in terms of speed, signal strength, and reliability. The update was pulled, and a new version was posted a week later.
The new version still had problems. Frequently, users would completely lose signal for 30 seconds to 5 minutes. I specifically had this problem, and looking around the forums, there weren't many who didn't.
Last week, apple posted an update to the client-side driver which seems to have fixed the last of the problems. Even though it's now fixed, apple was really ierresponsible by not just reverting to the old version (they didn't even provide a method to remove the faulty drivers!). I'd expect way more from Apple.
Chances are they waited until all the outstanding bugs were worked out with the current airport stuff before releasing this little gizmo.
I may get one just for the audio features and to act as a bridge in my living room which is logistically impossible to wire.
At $129, it's a friggin' steal. The old AeBS was pretty pricey at $199, and the only things justifying that high price were the USB printserver (which, BTW, doesn't support all printers, especially those which have cardreaders which act as USB hubs), WDS, and the enterprise-grade administration tools. All home users would care about was the print server.
Now, at $129, it's directly in competition with the consumer gear from Linksys, Netgear, and Co. Firstly, apple users always expect to pay a bit on the top for apple-branded gear. The quality you get is usually worth the extra 20% or so -- I've had more Netgear/Linksys power supplies die on me..... Secondly, a decent 802.11g AP WILL cost you a good $80-$90. One with a USB print server will easily cost as much as or more than the Airport Express. An independent wireless USB print server also costs around $100. Only using it as a print server is cost-effective. Finally, the audio feature is unheard of on this kind of multifunction device. You can expect to pay at LEAST $130 for a device which streams audio over the network and does nothing else. Granted, it will usually have some sort of screen and remote, but for the price, it's really not an issue. Oh yeah... did I mention it's tiny? (and very similar to the Power/iBook chargers)
The only feature I would have liked to seen would have been a USB fileserver. Instead of plugging in a printer, plug in a USB Memory Key or Hard drive and serve files off of it. Guess you can't have everything
Let's think this remote thing out... (Score:4, Insightful)
But there is no remote or display for the AirTunes, so I can't control things without going to the computer. I can use Bluetooth (my Belkin adapter has a 100 ft. range) and my Palm Tungsten T... hmmm. But I still don't get a playlist display. Can't change the playlist that's currently on, either.
I could buy a Keyspan remote... but a 40 ft. range and RF is not the best way to go, IMHO.
Why do I see a small" iTablet" in Apple's future? About the size of a Palm, stylus or touch controlled, with the ability to pick up shared iPhoto libraries and to control AirTunes wirelessly? Maybe even include some of the Newton's handwriting recognition since Mac OS X has the Inkwell technology in place...
I think AirTunes is a Apple putting their toe in the water to see what feedback they get. The PDA/tablet rumors may actually be tied more to the digital hub than to actual portable computing...
Argh! Steve you magnificent bastard... (Score:5, Funny)
And I was getting so psyched last night because I got my Via EPIA board loaded up with Fedora and XMMS, and could finally stream my favorite streaming audio site [kexp.org], albeit with Ethernet cable (Wi-Fi was on my project plan), and pipe it through my office stereo.
And this little beauty will plug right into the wall socket by my stereo for a lot less money, less hassle, etc.
Anybody wanna buy an EPIA, slightly used?
(DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN......)
No HomePlug / Powerline ethernet? (Score:3, Interesting)
Since this thing doubles as a wall wart and powerline ethernet requires a direct plug connection without a power strip, it should have been a no-brainer to include.
AirTunes? Two words: AM Transmitter (Score:4, Funny)
A mobile access point! (Score:5, Insightful)
If you've never been on the road, you don't know how much of a pain it is to be stuck to the crappy desks most hotels have. Go wireless!
You can also (with a y-cable) attach it to the in-room TV, so you can ditch those annoyingly-heavy travel speakers. Yahoo!
Need to enable wireless in a conference room really quick? Plug in one of these puppies, and bang, you're ready to go. You can even configure the drop in the conference room as not connected to the inside net, allowing instant ad-hoc outside access.
It's also something else: a security nightmare for IT. Imagine the problem IT had with unauthorized modems. Now you can have rogue access points the size of a pack of cards hiding out somewhere in your organization. You'd never find the freaking thing.
What a neato gadget!
Coming Products... (Score:5, Funny)
Ooh! Shiny! (Score:4, Insightful)
Now, all I need is a flat big enough to *need* wireless streaming to every room as opposed to 'turn the volume up on my iTunes-connected stereo and leave the doors open'...
(Hmm, I guess I've reached the age when practicality and fiscul prudence take precedence over having the latest cool 1337 hardware. How depressing!)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
And have you ever tried one of those 25 dollar radio transmitters? They suck. I've never had one make it more than 15 feet in open air without turning the audio quality to snap crackly crap. This provides an all digital link which right away eliminates analog noise.
Not secure??? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:3, Funny)
http://www.keyspan.com/products/homepage-Remotes.
>the UI is frankly much better than iTunes anyway (especially if >you have a LOT of music
Cough. To each his own I guess....
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:3, Interesting)
I found mine for $39 with very little effort. Makes a great all-around remote, I've not yet done any custom mapping and it works great for iTunes and MPlayer.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
Personally, I like the AirTunes idea, though the lack of a display or remote is big. For now, I'll stick with the iPod dock connected to my stereo. Not as slick as wireless, but gives me everything I want or need.
Perhaps (Score:3, Interesting)
Perhaps it would be nifty if there was a program that would take files that you bought, you would supply your key, and then it would strip the DRM from the file so you could use your iTMS purchased tunes fairly?
Then you wouldn't be locked into an apple-only solution. Does that make sense?
This is perfect for it's target market (Score:5, Interesting)
My friends often listen to music on their iBooks while sitting on the couch, they currently have a long speaker cable from the audio out to their stereo system. They will buy this in a second.
I'll be grabbing one as a wireless printer server and WiFi extender.
Did anyone else not see this product coming? It completely caught me by surprise/
Re:This is perfect for it's target market (Score:4, Insightful)
could it be a CYA so as not to have to worry about supporting who-knows-what stations out there?
THe Airport Extreme is based on the broadcom chipset IIRC (it's not like Apple has their own chip fabs), and so it shares the lineage of the linksys boxes etc.; how apple extreme base stations extend wireless range is through WDS, which last I checked is not an apple proprietary system.
of course until the machines show up and someone tries it with a non-apple box (and blogs about it), we can't really be sure..
Re:This is perfect for it's target market (Score:4, Informative)
Um, no. Read the specs more closely next time.
If you are using AE as a range-extender, then yes, it does require an AEBS. However, it can also act as its own base station/access point/whatever, with the caveat that it only supports up to ten devices (the AEBS supports up to 50).
Of course, from the look of things, you can also buy multiple AE boxes and set up a network using only these.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah.. that's where you lost me.
A couple of other points you made aren't quite true, i don't think... for instance, arguments like 'has no web interface' and 'only works with Apple software' and 'multi-room synchronization'... those are negated by the fact that it is meant to be used with an iTunes-loaded wireless computer, no?
Also, there are plug-ins for iTunes. And I would call an optical jack a 'proper audio connector' but maybe that's just me.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Interesting)
Applescript and Salling Clicker will make this awesome. And a $130 bridge will help me to get better reception in the bedroom, which is very far from the base station and through a cinder-block wall and a chimney.
This thing is amazing... just amazing.
Addition (Score:4, Interesting)
Peace
Re:That's where he started making sense, actually. (Score:3, Funny)
or are you saying that there are no good music player UIs out there at all?
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Interesting)
especially since it is $60 cheaper.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
- It's an 802.11g repeater
- It's a NAT router
- It's a network usb printer server
- It's most likely the only AP that was designed for portability (correct me if I'm wrong)
So sure, if you're buying this thing strictly for music then yeah, you might be buying the wrong, or simply less expensive alternative to squeezebox. But if you want a portable AP/Router that has a nifty added feature of wireless audio support it's a hell of a product.Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Funny)
Heck, this is Slashdot - people correct you when you're right.
Re:Odd info on the ASUS site... (Score:4, Insightful)
Where MS talked about zero config devices, Apple has put out Rendezvous. As an IETF standard. Which means that I have tools for it. On FreeBSD. A little work in /usr/ports (like "make install" - oh that's hard), and I can play with Rendezvous devices.
One presumes that configuring it will be more towards "$Mom can do it" than the typical Windows
"Wait until a full moon; reconfigure your interrupts so the devices are found alphabetically; swing the chicken innards over the heat sync and reboot 13 times while chanting the Rolling Stones verse: 'You make a grown man cry' 13 times backwards at the stroke of midnight."
Instead, I'll suspect you'll do something like plug it in, hit it with a web browser or even iTunes 4.6 and say "find new device" and it will autoconfigure.
*I* just want to know if I can auto conf it from FreeBSD and feed it tunes from a BSD box.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Informative)
Then what the hell is that audio connector?
AirTunes Express Specs [apple.com]
That supports both standard analog miniplug headphones and the digital optical miniplug. Both are very standard. They might not be the 1/4" connector or the TOSLINK, but that jack is very common, compact and serves your choice of analog or digital.
This thing is awsome, a few questions (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.apple.com/itunes/import.html
While I am sure it isn't exactly what you were looking for...it is fine for me. Your mileage may vary. Apple goodness.
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:5, Interesting)
I'm planning to purchase one and hook it up to Input 2 of my powered speakers (Input 1 goes to the television.) That way, I can sprawl on the couch and, when I run out of things to watch on the Tivo, click buttons on Synergy (an iTunes menu-bar controller) or the iTunes window, and instead of coming out of my Powerbook's cheap speakers, the music will play out of the much better Sonys.
Plus, it's a wireless print server, so I could get a photo printer and stick it in the living room on the lowest shelf of the TV cart and print out photos from time to time. And it's a wireless repeater, which means I can finally sit on the porch on nice evenings and surf the web. (That last might not work until I get an Apple branded basestation, but I won't know for sure till I get one of these things.)
As for audio connectors - it's got a standard 1/8" headphone jack. You can use any adapters you like for hooking up stereo equipment to that. My speakers will (I think; I'm at work) require a 1/8" to RCA adapter cable, and I happen to have several lying in a drawer here in the video equipment pile.
I'm going to get this so I don't have to splurge for the home media option on the Tivo - I don't like the interface the Tivo is using, I don't need the photo streaming, I do need a wireless repeater, and the print server function may someday be useful to me.
plug-ins (including Ogg) and "proper" connectors (Score:5, Informative)
Regarding "proper audio connectors". True that it only has a mini-jack for analog audio, but it also has a digital audio port, which is certainly "proper" and what you'll want to use if you want high fidelity.
Just for the record, you could also plug headphones into the mini-jack, though I find it somewhat unlikely that people would be interested in plugging there head directly into a power outlet, which is the impression you would get with this device.....
Re:plug-ins (including Ogg) and "proper" connector (Score:5, Funny)
Funny. After reading some of this discussion (your comment excluded), I honestly couldn't think of a better idea right now.
KISS (Score:5, Insightful)
The target audience for this product is a Mac user... people are typically drawn to Mac for it's "it just works" image (which has been dilluted lately).
This seems like a very Mac way to get these functions done... via your existing familiar itunes interface you can play songs on your home stereo w/o a wire from your PC to the stereo.
It also eliminates a router for people who don't use wired devices.
With this less-then-a-typical-brick sized device you can put your cable modem and printer in/on a desk, and hook up your stereo too. Then your Mac's around the house can print, share files, connect to the net and play music on the stereo...
Apple definiately did their homework for this one...
Wait til the next gen iPods are WIFI.... (Score:4, Insightful)
I've been doing this in more kludgy ways with
wifi laptops hooked up to stereos. This just makes it very nice,easy, and convenient. Always a distinction for Apple stuff.
As for no display or remote, that's kinda moot.
Most people with wifi have a laptop in front of them and can see what's playing.
Imagine,if the next gen iPods are wifi, then it'll be just like having a remote and being able to see/change your songs without wandering into the computer room.
Anyone, see future video coming down the pipe
on one of these from your centralized movie collection on your mac/pc?
Maybe an iTheater app?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't (Score:4, Funny)
That's the first time I've heard Apple get dissed for selling something too inexpensively. You just can't please people. ;-)
Re:Nifty for the price - but not a Squeezebox (Score:4, Funny)
"Hookers are Free!"
Those are called "Sluts"
Re:Wow what a POS (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wow what a POS (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at it this way, you have an xbox/ps2 that you want to get online and have also been looking for an easy way to listen to your iTunes music on your stereo. For $129 you get a bridge that will allow you to get your console online and an audio out to pipe into your stereo.
I paid close to $100 for a POS NetGear bridge a while back and it's only a b not g device.
Sounds reasonable. I don't see myself getting one, but that doesn't mean I think it's a watse of money/time and Apple should be slapped for making it.
Re:Wow what a POS (Score:5, Insightful)
I get the feeling Apple designed it as a wireless AP that can serve audio or share a USB printer, whichever the users want, rather than as a device for people who have a printer next to their stereo.
Re:Wow what a POS (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Wow what a POS (Score:5, Insightful)
This device is half the price of what you mention and it acts as a wireless access point as a side benefit of streaming music. This is perfect for most users. The remote could be an issue, but you can control this with any laptop with iTunes and play the music from a desktop in another room on the speakers in your room. You can also use any of the new bluetooth equipped phones to remote control iTunes. I use the Salling Clicker on my T616 to control iTunes all the time. Hopefully apple will make a remote device soon that uses 802.11b and has a small LCD, I'm sure they will before too long, and if they don't I'm sure a few other companies will.
-matt
Re:One Big LAME (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:One Big LAME (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:One Big LAME (Score:5, Informative)
Also the updated iTunes hasn't been fully release yet so who knows but it may provide such capabilities between iTunes applications directly.
Now you just need a wireless (11b/g) remote that can connect to iTunes, etc.
Re:One Big LAME (Score:3, Funny)
Or maybe it's short for "Lying Apple Makes Excuses".
Re:One Big LAME (Score:4, Interesting)
Forgive me for being rude, but the LAME thing here is your quickness at dismissing it. It is a pretty cool product for the price.
Re:One Big LAME (Score:5, Informative)
I just got word from a "knowledgable source"
So the options now -- since VNC and ARD are not an option, because of ease-of-use and security concerns -- are netTunes (which works now, because -- I didn't realize -- it basically just does a VNC of that one app), and an Apache interface.
Also, the Express CAN share Internet access over the LAN to wired clients.
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Re:Good niche (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Good niche (Score:3, Informative)
Most people I know who do real mixing and amateur party DJ'ing use Exact Audio Copy and either FLAC, ogg, or MPC. Cause MP3 sucks. AAC is slightly better but there are too many competing versions, and ITunes can't handle all of them (iTunes was fine for me playing music IT ripped, but not AAC stuff that Nero made for me...) MPC sounds the best
Re:Almost perfect (Score:3, Informative)
Never mind... (Score:3, Informative)
O-M-G... this is amazing (Score:3, Interesting)