Gentoo Offers PPC LiveCDs 403
drunkentiger writes "Ripped right off their homepage: In a recent Slashdot article, someone asked if it were possible to create a fully-featured bootable Linux LiveCD for the Macintosh.
We thought this was a great idea. So today, we are releasing two full-featured LiveCDs for the PowerPC: one with KDE 3, and another with GNOME 2. Take a look at the KDE LiveCD running MacOS X in a window via Mac on Linux. LiveCDs can be downloaded here or from these mirrors."
This has been postet a lot of times, but still... (Score:5, Funny)
Gentoo Linux is an interesting new distribution with some great features. Unfortunately, it has attracted a large number of clueless wannabes and leprotards who absolutely MUST advocate Gentoo at every opportunity. Let's look at the language of these zealots, and find out what it really means...
"Gentoo makes me so much more productive."
"Although I can't use the box at the moment because it's compiling something, as it will be for the next five days, it gives me more time to check out the latest USE flags and potentially unstable optimisation settings."
"Gentoo is more in the spirit of open source!"
"Apart from Hello World in Pascal at school, I've never written a single program in my life or contributed to an open source project, yet staring at endless streams of GCC output whizzing by somehow helps me contribute to international freedom."
"I use Gentoo because it's more like the BSDs."
"Last month I tried to install FreeBSD on a well-supported machine, but the text-based installer scared me off. I've never used a BSD, but the guys on Slashdot say that it's l33t though, so surely I must be for using Gentoo."
"Heh, my system is soooo much faster after installing Gentoo." .debs can be rebuilt with a handful of commands (AND Red Hat
supplies i686 kernel and glibc packages), my box MUST be faster. It's nothing
to do with the fact that I've disabled all startup services and I'm running
BlackBox instead of GNOME or KDE."
"I've spent hours recompiling Fetchmail, X-Chat, gEdit and thousands of other programs which spend 99% of their time waiting for user input. Even though only the kernel and glibc make a significant difference with optimisations, and RPMs and
"...my Gentoo Linux workstation..."
"...my overclocked AMD eMachines box from PC World, and apart from the third-grade made-to-break components and dodgy fan..."
"You Red Hat guys must get sick of dependency hell..." .rpms together on the command line, and that problems
hardly ever occur if one uses proper Red Hat packages instead of mixing
SuSE, Mandrake and Joe's Linux packages together (which the system wasn't
designed for)."
"I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH
"All the other distros are soooo out of date."
"Constantly upgrading to the latest bleeding-edge untested software makes me more productive. Never mind the extensive testing and patching that Debian and Red Hat perform on their packages; I've just emerged the latest GNOME beta snapshot and compiled with -O9 -fomit-instructions, and it only crashes once every few hours."
"Let's face it, Gentoo is the future."
"OK, so no serious business is going to even consider Gentoo in the near future, and even with proper support and QA in place, it'll still eat up far too much of a company's valuable time. But this guy I met on #animepr0n is now using it, so it must be growing!"
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Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:2, Informative)
The United States Air Force and a Major Air Force contractor are preparing to use Gentoo, even without the "proper support and QA in place."
Dependency? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:2, Informative)
1) Many new Gentoo users take up to a week to install it for the first time. That said, many of the kernel sources Gentoo offers (such as Red Hat sources) are patched to the point that ramming your CPU to 100% doesn't slow your box down. The only thing that can make my system lag is heavy disk/swap access.
2) In regards to testing packages, Red Hat, Debian, etc. have been proven to be
One Minor Correction (Score:3, Informative)
Just a minor point. No downtime is required whatsoever if you have a second set of partitions handy (and with the size of today's hard drives, there really isn't any excuse for not creating a second set of / and
Simply install your filesystem(s) of ch
Re:One Minor Correction (Score:5, Funny)
Simply, eh?
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:5, Funny)
I'm too stupid to understand that circular dependencies can be resolved by specifying BOTH .rpms together on the command line
Yes, that's me. But at least I know how to find useful Linux tips by including stupid as a search term!
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:5, Funny)
That reminds me of an old search tip I worked out as a techy.
If you cant find an answer to the problem with a bit of equipment, put the name in and add either "fu*ked" or "hosed". Wierdly it works 99% of the time for me.
Very funny, not very fair. (Score:3, Interesting)
I think the BEST thing about gentoo is the installation process. I finally learned how daemons get started, how to set up networking and NFS. All these things were either hidden from me behind GUI utilities
Re:Very funny, not very fair. (Score:4, Interesting)
I think you should have prefaced your post (Score:3, Interesting)
Distros like Gentoo are a throwback and really are more useful as learning tools as opposed to useful OS's for normal people.
I of course have nothing against something like Gentoo let alone Slackware or Debian, but truthfully their way of doing things isn't the future of modern computing.
The
Re:I think you should have prefaced your post (Score:4, Insightful)
Sure, compiling the kernel isn't something Joe User wants to do, but if Joe User want to sit down and work, someone in the company's job is to make sure his PC is getting decent performance. The boss isn't going to want to buy new servers and PCs when there's plenty of life to squeeze out of what's already there, those days are (almost) over.
I don't want everyone to start adminning gentoo boxes, I'll admin boxes for them for some loot. That's my niche. The users will be running Gentoo, but they'll never have to look at GCC output or think about syncing the portage tree.
Also, your idea that Operating Systems are going to get simpler is just not feasable. They'll get easier to USE but the tradeoff is that under-the-hood they'll be that much more complex. All technology is like that, a modern car is a very complex machine; sure, automatic transmission is easy to use, but it's a LOT more complex to design, fix, or diagnose than the old manual trannies. Windows XP is (arguably) easier to USE than w98, but it's really an order of magnitude more complex beneath the presentation.
Re:I think you should have prefaced your post (Score:3, Insightful)
Be thankful, if there werent people like this you wouldn't have heating, lighting, medical science or anything else more advanced than charred meat and possibly the wheel.
The future of computing is thankfully not having to worry about compiling kernels and screwing with drivers.
Why not, for the people that want it? Personally I wouldn't trust it if I didn't have at least a basic understanding of how
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:2)
Sysintall is weird if you come from a gui oriented world. Also its strange to keep hitting esc to go thru all the different stages no matter which stage you already completed.
That said, its a wonderfull tool that is not hard to use at all. It just has a different way of doing thing
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:2)
But in other news, Gentoo can't help it that it's just the superior Linux distro. Really. So stop picking on it and pick it up!
Gentoo and Slack--it's all you need.
Re:This has been postet a lot of times, but still. (Score:2)
pkg_add RemoveHeadFromRectum.tgz
Requirements? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Requirements? (Score:5, Informative)
Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:2)
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:2)
This could be considered circumventing those security features and could get you in quite a bit of hot water.
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:5, Funny)
Re:It's still against the rules. (Score:2)
The lab helpdesk guys talk about LAN parties they went to or the new Doom III alpha demo they downloaded (sad really).
Also I occasionally help them fix problems with computers so they have good reason to
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:2)
Calling Macs "MACs" is the surest way to get a wedgie from the Mac faithful...
Re:Finally I can use the Lab MACs (Score:2)
(note: It's a joke, I'm using an iBook and am currently downloading one of these images from a less slashdotted mirror. Though they are doing pretty well considering the oregon state server just had some hardware issues.)
Because OSX boot disks can be a pain. (Score:5, Informative)
Very happy.
Gentoo LiveCD? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Gentoo LiveCD? (Score:5, Informative)
Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:4, Interesting)
I don't know... so now I ask you...
Which hardware would you rather buy for a new home linux system?
Thanks in advance...
Davak
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:5, Insightful)
Which hardware would you rather buy for a new home linux system?
x86 hardware for a desktop, Apple for a laptop.
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:2)
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:5, Insightful)
1) Small
2) Light
3) Power efficient
4) Cool (as in not burning hot)
5) Well built.
All things that the Inspiron most definately isn't. Of course, I love my I8200 dearly, because of its capabilities as a portable workstation, but if I didn't need the power (and Apple would get with the '00s and finally start bundling those gorgeous UXGA screens
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:5, Interesting)
First, if your friend is just into *nix, then OSX is an option, without any Linux whatsoever.
Second, there is no reason whatsoever to pay the prices on Apple's hardware unless you plan on using Apple's software. Which isn't to say it's not worth paying for Apple's hardware, it just seems to be a strange choice, paying extra for a software/hardware bundle and not using the software.
So, in summary:
Get a clone if you want a cheap Linux box (do hardware research FIRST mind you).
Get a Mac if you want the best consumer Unix currently available and installing Linux is just an added bonus.
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:5, Informative)
Someone else already said x86 for desktop, ppc for laptop, and I basically agree.
The downside to the ppc on desktop is price/performance. It's not a huge gap. But you definately get more flops per buck on the x86 market.
PPC is really a much better designed architecture, however. One of the main practical benefits is a cooler running system using less power. Very important points on a laptop. Not insignificant on a desktop either, but not nearly as important there.
Apple laptops are really nice. Whether running OSX or Linux. For a portable workstation I wouldn't go any other way.
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:2)
OK, lets start by saying I don't honestly know the answer to this because the last Mac I actually did anything serious with came with 128Kb (yes, that's a 'K') of memory (although it was later upgraded to 512Kb and that's still a 'K').
However it's my perception that apple hardware is on the whole substantially better build quality than equivalent generic PC boxes. Also, of course, architecturally they're much nicer. But you pay a ver
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:2)
But the bet choice for linux is Some sort of X86 Platform. Because most of the precompiled application work for x86.
Re:Apple vs PC - Without the Flame War (Score:4, Funny)
if someone in here buys a $1500 mac and puts linux on it, I'm gonna find you and beat you to death with a clue stick.
How about somebody beat you to death with a preview stick or a spell-check stick?
I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:5, Funny)
Now I'm finally able to run Gentoo on her system without screwing anything up. This should prove to be a lot of fun:
"Look, babe, I put Gentoo on your computer!"
"WHAT?!? Where are my Sims?!?"
"Um...woops?"
I'm evil.
Honestly, though, this is going to be great for a lot of developers. Now we can take a couple of Gentoo LiveCDs around with us and boot nearly any personal computer up with our favorite distribution.
I work for Gentoo, but I'm also honestly hooked on it. And I'm no zealot either--I know its limitations and I know its strengths. But the release of a PPC LiveCD can do nothing but help the overall Linux effort, including Gentoo, and will undoubtedly be a boon for all of OSS.
Seriously!
Re:I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:5, Funny)
"WHAT?!? Where are my Sims?!?"
"Um...woops?"
I'm evil.
Not to mention dead.
Re:I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:2)
I'm sure she'll logically look at these factors (Score:5, Funny)
Re:I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:2)
"WHAT?!? Where are my Sims?!?"
"Um...woops?"
I'm evil.
Not to mention dead.
Heh. Evil and dead, for running a Gentoo LiveCD on a GF's Mac.
Something about an Army of Dorkness seems appropriate here...
Re:I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:5, Funny)
"Dude! I have a girlfriend!"
Re:I'm glad to see this happen! (Score:5, Funny)
Thank you for this wonderful, wonderful, wonderful idea. Now maybe I can hold this over her head, and force her to stop telling me every detail of her Sims' virtual lives...
Her: "Ooh, Sim-Kyle took Sim-Natalie out on a date, and some Sim-hoochie walked by and Sim-Kyle whistled at her! Sim-Natalie got so Sim-mad she stormed out and now she won't talk to him!"
Me:
Her:
Anyone have a .torrent link? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Anyone have a .torrent link? (Score:2)
Re:Anyone have a .torrent link? (Score:2, Informative)
Gnome [rit.edu]
KDE [rit.edu]
Mod this BitTorrent link please :D (Score:2)
Re:Anyone have a .torrent link? (Score:2, Interesting)
kde [caltech.edu]
So much for Yellow Dog (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:So much for Yellow Dog (Score:2)
Re:So much for Yellow Dog (Score:2)
Why Gentoo? (Score:2, Interesting)
But what is the logic behind using a source-based distribution for a LiveCD?
I don't have anything against Gentoo, but fail to see *why* Gentoo...
Is PPC support better with Gentoo? Or are the Gentoo guys just the first ones to do this for PPCs?
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Re:Why Gentoo? (Score:5, Informative)
But what is the logic behind using a source-based distribution for a LiveCD?
I don't have anything against Gentoo, but fail to see *why* Gentoo...
Is PPC support better with Gentoo? Or are the Gentoo guys just the first ones to do this for PPCs?
First, Gentoo is much more than a source based distro.
1) portage is arguably the best package manager known to man. It exceeds IMHO apt-get, which is perhaps the second (or maybe third, depending on one's POV) finest package manager. Having easy access to portage from a live CD is fantastic for those who want to go the next step and actually install Gentoo, or rescue an existing Gentoo system.
2) Being a source based distro means one can optimize one's build to their own hardware. Taken a step further, one could optimize a Gentoo LiveCD for their hardware (PPC, Athlon v. Intel, etc.)
3) Source based v. Binary based is, for purposes of RUNNING the LiveCD, completely orthogonal, as the LiveCD itself contains all binaries. So, the best answer to your question as to why is "why not?"
While the tools available to Gentooers allow for more optimization out of the box than, say, Debian by default (yes, you can build debian from source with apt-get, but as one who as done so I can say it is quite painful), to those running the LiveCD the only affect will be a faster, snappier LiveCD, assuming they have downloaded an ISO optimized for their architecture.
For those of us running Gentoo it is a godsend
Get a hold of these guys (Score:5, Funny)
They should be considered role model for this place or something.
Fear them.
Re:Get a hold of these guys (Score:5, Interesting)
A lot of people scoff at the Gentoo fanatacism--including the developers--but at least, in this case, I think a lot of that is warranted. Perhaps not all of it, mind you, but definitely a lot. I think we're a good bunch of guys and gals.
Re:Get a hold of these guys (Score:2)
Currently any system that I use regularly runs gentoo.
Re:Get a hold of these guys (Score:2)
Re:Get a hold of these guys (Score:3, Informative)
8:02 P.M.: E-mail from user with details on how he tried to compile portage and was hung up on a few issues.
9:25 P.M.: Head developer replies and says he'll do the port.
5:07 P.M. the next day: Head developer updates his status to "should be done today."
That kind of response, interest, and feedback really ma
Gentoo on PPC is really snappy! (Score:5, Informative)
The PowerPC architecture is amazingly snappy and responsive, even though my box only has a 450MHz CPU. I get the feeling that the PPC arch is a lot less 'laggy' than the x86, just a vague feeling, but it's quite nice. Compiling my whole distro with "-mcpu=750" and a few other options has made my old box into quite a workhorse. Anyone else want to share PPC/Linux experiences?
DOS on Pentium 3 is really snappy! (Score:2, Funny)
Not only do my DOS games run so fast that I sometimes drop into seizures, but loading Windows 3.1 only takes a few minutes! Running Works while defragging my hard drive has made my old box into quite a workhorse. Anyone else want to share P3/DOS experiences?
Re:DOS on Pentium 3 is really snappy! (Score:2, Funny)
Hey, that's nothing! I've got a binary patch to MS-DOS 3.2 to enable hyperthreading on P4 Xeons that's just awesome.
Re:DOS on Pentium 3 is really snappy! (Score:2)
Re:Gentoo on PPC is really snappy! (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Gentoo on PPC is really snappy! (Score:2)
Watch out for certain mirrors (Score:4, Informative)
Look around and see what you can find. Also, you'll want to look in
Re:Watch out for certain mirrors (Score:2)
There are links for the PPC live CDs up on LinuxISO.org [linuxiso.org] (at the bottom of the page). Clicking the icon of a disc superimposed on a folder will yield a list of mirrors (only three or four so far), clicking the download link will select one of the mirrors at random. One of the mirrors for Gentoo is iBiblio, which isn't always the speediest mirror to download from but is certainly one of the more reliable mirrors around.
Gentoo icon (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Gentoo icon (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Gentoo icon (Score:2)
Distribution.... (Score:2, Interesting)
those mirrors are getting slaughtered... would somebody (gentoo? gatech?) put up a bittorrent tracker for those iso's?
Linux boot problems on Macs. (Score:5, Interesting)
This would be great, you dont have to touch the mac's boot sectors.
For those with oldworld macs (Score:3, Informative)
The perfect way to seduce my fiance.... (Score:2, Interesting)
Has anyone tried this Gentoo liveCD on a similar Mac yet?
Torrent files (Score:5, Informative)
Gnome Flavor [rit.edu]
KDE Flavor [rit.edu]
Re:Torrent files (Score:2)
Re:Torrent files (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Torrent files (Score:2)
If you argue "that's too complicated!", you probably don't want an iso image of a compile-from-source linux distro in the first place.
Re:Torrent files (Score:2)
Re:Torrent files (Score:2)
Re:Torrent files (Score:2)
Live CDs on CD-RW (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Live CDs on CD-RW (Score:3, Informative)
Needed: Knoppix PPC (Score:3, Insightful)
Torrent here (Score:2)
The md5 checks out, but I haven't yet burned it or tested it.
Re:Torrent here (Score:2)
Usage report (Score:2)
First boot I selected the "live" option, but unfortunately it did something screwy with my video. Nothing was readable, though I could tell it was loading.
Second boot I did the live-safe option. This gave me a usable command line, to which I logged in, tried the xeasyconf option, and tried to startx, but got an error. Went through a few more times with different video options (it was giving some sort of vi
Linux-on-mac? (Score:2)
I'm an old hand with Linux on x86 architectures and I'm familiar with the likes of Gentoo, Knoppix and user mode Linux, but my Mac has to run OS X first and foremost which is why I thought I'd ask.
If I could fire up UML or Yellowdog in a window it would make it considerably easier to run some esoteric Unix app (even with a performance penalty) rather than struggling
CD boot == unrootable? (Score:2)
Forgot to mention. Wolfenstien Gentoo CD. (Score:3, Interesting)
[yawn....] Been there, done that. (Score:3, Interesting)
In 1998, our esteemed kernel hacker jcarr (
(Our old Pmac 9500 stayed up despite intensive attacks, and finally fell to one clever person who exploited a vulnerability in the version of proftpd running on the box. Which became his.)
Bravo to Gentoo, but let us not forget, someone's done it before.
Re:Mozilla ? (Score:2)
Such is my understanding.
Re:Mozilla ? (Score:2, Informative)
-Alec
Re:Figures... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:welp... (Score:2)
Re:Old powerpc's (Score:2)
You have to go to Linux ISO [linuxiso.org] to get the RH version.
Unsolicited advice
I'd play with AIX for a while. It's a great *nix that has some fantastic Disk Management tools that are way above and beyond most other *nixes. IBM has donated a lot of that to Linux, but it's still a little primiti
Re:truth (Score:2)
Then don't use Linux. Given the tone and content of your post, I don't think you should. I also think you shouldn't breed. But that's another topic.
If you're basing your conclusion WRT Linux on sex and games, then your opinion has no value. As a workstation for programming / tech work Linux is great. As a server it's very good and getting better in the enterprise space.
Even as an office workstation, Linux is making progress.
You know why there are no games for linux, it's because t